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Title: Methodical Illusion: The 9/11 Con Begins to Crumble — Rebekah Roth (Flight Attendant)
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URL Source: http://sgtreport.com/2015/03/method ... egins-to-crumble-rebekah-roth/
Published: Mar 23, 2015
Author: Rebekah Roth
Post Date: 2015-03-23 10:33:47 by christine
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Rebekah Roth has, in my opinion, blown the lid off of the lies surrounding the events on 9/11. Facts which are outlined in her recently released book, Methodical Illusion; a book, as of this writing, that is #1 on the Amazon Best Seller List for its category.--NorthWestLibertyNews Poster Comment: Roth’s research reveals ALL of the 911 cell phone calls from the passengers to their families and friends were actually made on the ground after the 4 planes landed at a remote military airfield and listen to what her research reveals about passenger 9B. This is a must listen. I agree with NorthWestLibertyNews's opinion that Rebekah has blown the lid off the 9/11 lies.
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#473. To: war (#472)
I'd be curious if you can give me an instance of ANY object dropping through itself at free fall speed (or close to it). Sort of like having a stack of boxes falling straight down, where the top box breaks through all lower boxes as if they weren't even there. That'd be an example of how the towers fell. Then show me an example of a stack of boxes falling down from the bottom box collapsing into itself, with all upper boxes falling straight down into themselves once the bottom box starts to collapse. That'd be like a WTC 7 collapse. Remember, there can't be any toppling over, tumbing over, or any motion except for downwards, even though there is a solid floor underneath those boxes. But IF the fires were as hot as you claim, wouldn't you need to admit that the ENTIRE impact area would need to be too hot for humans to endure or escape unharmed? Wait a second...you are claiming people from ABOVE the impact area made it out of the South Tower? No one above 84 made it out. ABOVE the impact area would have been 86th floor and above... --Are you a *Jew*?
BS. The collapse time is measured from the time the STRUCTURE begins to drop as one, THAT is what amounts to a total structural collapse. That there was evidently SOME sort of demolition occuring on the top floor where the penthouse was situated does not mean squat in terms of how fast the top four corners of the building along with the REST of the building dropped as one. Even discounting your dishonest claims as to whether the time of collapse begins when ANY part of the building fails, or when the ENTIRE building drops uniformly, the difference is a matter of fractions of a second. It takes more than a fraction of a second to demolish 50 or so floors of a high rise building. When you put a log on a fire is the entire log immediately consumed? Would you characterize the fire as being *low level* for that reason? --Are you a *Jew*?
While we're correcting each other here, *occurring* has two r's. That said, nothing is seen when the penthouse collapses other than the penthouse collapsing... --Are you a *Jew*?
You are either mentally challenged or are seriously playing games with me here. I posted a news clip from USA today which reported survivors from several different areas within and ABOVE the South Tower impact zone, and one of those survivors were on the 91st floor. Go back and read post 436 So now you're trying to say WTC 7 is still there absent its penthouse? The person who supposedly made it down from the 91st floor did not work there...he worked on 84...he had climbed the steps and decided to stop. He waited then decided to go down the steps.
--Are you a *Jew*?
I have no idea how you could have *heard* that... --Are you a *Jew*?
May I make a suggestion? This thread is approaching 500 replies and saturating the Latest Comments page. I suspect everybody who's going to be convinced one way or the other already has been, so you might want to expend these impressive talents on other subjects. Just a suggestion! I'm excited to discover today (took me awhile) that there's tons of discussion going on here. I have strong opinions on 9/11, and forcing myself not to add my 2c in this space is my greatest 2015 achievement so far :-)
There WAS a survivor that was on the 91st floor. Are you saying that USA Today is lying?
Yes...he was on the 91st floor because he had walked up there from 84... "A few people escaped from the 78th floor down these stairs. One person went down the stairs from the 81st floor, two from the 84th floor and one from the 91st. " --Are you a *Jew*?
Good for you, Cupcake. I'm posting on some of them. --Are you a *Jew*?
Ok, so you admit that the impact zone and areas immediately above it were safe for people to walk through unharmed, correct? For years you've been smart enough to keep your pie hole shut. So why the recent outburst ??? "We're all on death row, only the execution date is uncertain". Doug Scheidt 2015
The above is an outburst, I was engaged in discussion. Why so rude?
One small part of it...not all of it...ONE stairwell...otherwise...more than barely a handful of people would have been able to escape... --Are you a *Jew*?
Anyone who was reporting that the fires in WTC7 were almost out was 100% wrong... --Are you a *Jew*?
Are you a less than intelligent human, or are you some defective webbot? The headline said SOUTH TOWER, not WTC7. Let me make this clearer for you... Anyone who was reporting that the fires in WTC ANYWHERE were almost out was 100% wrong... I posted a link to a video and told you to start somewhere in the 7 minute mark... --Are you a *Jew*?
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--Are you a *Jew*?
Yep, you know more than the people who were putting out the fires. Good for you war. Continue to live in a fanatasy world, but don't fault others who see things for what they are. So what is your occupation war? You seem to have nothing more to do than post on Internet forums, taking the government side on pretty much everything you "discuss". Might you be, gasp, a government stooge? Nowhere does FDNY state that the fire in any of the towers were nearly out. So what is your occupation war? What's yours? Might you be, gasp, a government stooge? Yes...I am...BUSTED... Look out behind you...there's another... --Are you a *Jew*?
No comment on the pictures? Just like no comment on the Penthouse... --Are you a *Jew*?
They sure as hell did in that deleted video, and that is why there were so many web sites linking it, till the PTB decided to "pull it". Those pictures were taken shortly after the aircraft crashed into the towers, right? Being that you provide no link or information on the images, it's anyone's guess. As far as the penthouse (you apparently have a fixation with that magazine), I've already given you my thoughts on that. You obviously are playing the standard disinfo game, where you keep asking for info that's already been provided. Nope. Guess again? --Are you a *Jew*?
It took repeated askings for you to acknowledge that WTC7 collapse began well prior to when you claimed that it did... --Are you a *Jew*?
Regardless of when they were taken, office fires cannot and will not cause a building to collapse in less than hour. Are you unaware that the building itself was a huge heatsink, where heat would be dispersed through the building itself, and there would be no possibility of any part of the steel infrastructure heating to a point of failure? And EVEN if there were some sort of catastrophic failure of PART of the structure, the collapse would not be total and symmetrical, it would be asymmetrical, and only the damaged upper part would have fallen, ie. the top part would have toppled over or slid off and crashed into the streets below. The bombs certainly did demolish the area under the penthouse before the main charges were detonated on the lower floors, causing the ENTIRE building to DROP at a rate consistant with free fall. But sure, the penthouse was destroyed prior to the main event. Maybe office fires by themselves won't...maybe...however...office fires preceded by a) a major explosion and b) collisions of high velocity certainly did do the trick... Care to guess how many stories of WTC were engulfed in flames on 9/11? --Are you a *Jew*?
You've offered nothing that supports the notion that even a single *charge* was present in WTC7 on 11th September 2001. --Are you a *Jew*?
As Neo said the other day, this is going nowhere. You won't accept the laws of physics, you won't use common sense and reason, and you engage in circular arguments. I have more important things to do than play along with someone who really isn't here to discover what did or didn't happen on 9/11, but is here instead to waste other people's time. If I had all day long to educate you, or perhaps a full week, perhaps I could give you a one on one GoToMeeting presentation using a white board, textbook chapters on physics, mathmatical proof of assertions made, and the historical chain of events leading up to 9/11, what happened on 9/11, and what happened afterwards. Perhaps if you cared about any of that, you would have already looked up Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and found out what they have to say on the matter. Maybe you'd have looked up the NYFD recordings from that day, or looked up info on the timeline leading up to 9/11 including the negotiations between the Taliban and UNICOL concerning the proposed Tran-Afghan pipeline. Perhaps you'd do many things MOST of us here have already done, and once you'd have taken the time to do so, you'd understand what we're trying to tell you. I've gone through all this before, going round after round with shillsters such as BAC, yukon, and a wide assortment of other Internet personas over the many years I've been posting on forums starting at Freerepublic, then at LP, and finally here on 4um. No matter what amount of facts presented short of an admission from GW Bush and Dick Cheney that they personally authorized the 9/11 attacks and ordered various agencies to support those attacks, would you ever admit that the facts definitiely prove that the offical government tale on what happened that day is nothing more than an implausible and ridiculous fantasy based upon lies, more lies, and even more lies. I have REAL work to get done war, but if you ever wish to seriously discuss what happened, just give me a shout, but for now, I can't be bothered with your games. *Accept* such as what? That massive explosions and high velocity collisions with solid objects don't cause any damage and 10's of thousands of gallons of a volatile accelerant introduced, ignited, in to a fuel rich environment doesn't result in significant fires? That the effect of gravity isn't direct but circuitous? You believe all of that. So...it's not me ignoring those laws...it's you... Perhaps if you cared about any of that, you would have already looked up Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and found out what they have to say on the matter. I've read the arguments and conclusions of this very small group of people. I've also seen them rebutted by their peers in more than one place. Maybe you'd have looked up the NYFD recordings from that day Not only have I read the transcripts, I know actual FDNY who were there that day - including family members - and who were pulled from the area around WTC7 circa 230ish because there was nothing left of half of the south face of the building...none of them, not one of them, have any doubt why that building collapsed. No matter what amount of facts presented You keep thinking that you have presented facts. Here's a clue. Facts cannot be falsified. Everything that you have presented HAS BEEN falsified. --Are you a *Jew*?
You keep pretending that large stationary objects can collapse into themselves as if they're made of matchsticks, and accelerate at the rate of earth's gravity with a skyscraper between them and the ground. You keep pretending that office fires can superheat structural steel to the point of failure in less than an hour, and can cause perfectly symmetrical collapses INTO the path of MOST resistance, straight through undamaged solid objects. You keep insisting that cell phones actually worked at cruising altitude for airliners back in 2001. You close your eyes to any and all facts which point towards deception on the part of the US government and its media puppets. That's just for starters. But like I said, you would argue till we both die of old age the same circular arguments, if given the opportunity. I'm not playing that game with you war. You are a liar war. And that IS a fact. You keep pretending that large stationary objects can collapse into themselves as if they're made of matchsticks, and accelerate at the rate of earth's gravity with a skyscraper between them and the ground. Nobody is claiming that and there is nothing supporting that anything like that happened during 911. You keep pretending that office fires can superheat structural steel to the point of failure in less than an hour, and can cause perfectly symmetrical collapses INTO the path of MOST resistance, straight through undamaged solid objects. Office fire? LOL okay. They did not collapse into the path of most resistance. Actual structural engineers have demonstrated the facts about their collapse. You keep insisting that cell phones actually worked at cruising altitude for airliners back in 2001. Back in the 90's, they had actual pay for use cellphones mounted on the back of the seat in front of you. I guess they could have been land line phones, but that's a pretty long cable. I can't believe anybody outside a mental institution is still arguing this garbage anymore.
Wow. The 2nd wave floats in. Nobody is claiming that and there is nothing supporting that anything like that happened during 911. Oh, so you're saying the WTC towers are still standing? Office fire? LOL okay. They did not collapse into the path of most resistance. Actual structural engineers have demonstrated the facts about their collapse. Yes, office fires. The jet fuel had burned up within the first few minutes, and most of it ended up being used up in the fireballs formed OUTSIDE the WTC towers. As far as path of most resistance, what experiences less resistance to gravity, an object sliding off an incline, an object losing its balance and toppling over through thin air, or an object resting on top of a solid object below it? Back in the 90's, they had actual pay for use cellphones mounted on the back of the seat in front of you. I guess they could have been land line phones, but that's a pretty long cable. Wrong. Those phones were discontinued prior to 9/11 on the airliners in question, and the US government has insisted (then flip/flopped) then insisted again that cell phones were used to place those calls. So educate yourself as to what is CLAIMED to have happened prior to telling people they don't know what they're talking about. I can't believe anybody outside a mental institution is still arguing this garbage anymore. So which insane asylum do YOU hail from? You are much kinder to "war" than I could be ...
"We're all on death row, only the execution date is uncertain". Doug Scheidt 2015
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestBTW, I'm curious if you can give me an instance of gravity working on a falling object where a) the path was not downward when b) absent any horizontal force......
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#474. To: war (#471)
The few who did were situated, uniquely, near Staircase A... That is why you were asked, "what staircase?"
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#475. To: FormerLurker (#469)
The people who escaped from the South Tower floors which were ABOVE the impact area made it through the area safely. So apparently there were no fires there which could have weakened steel.
#476. To: war (#470)
What it also indicated, is that the collapse took seconds longer than free fall speed.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#477. To: FormerLurker (#474)
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But IF the fires were as hot as you claim, wouldn't you need to admit that the ENTIRE impact area would need to be too hot for humans to endure or escape unharmed?
#478. To: FormerLurker (#476)
That there was evidently SOME sort of demolition occuring (sic) on the top floor
#479. To: war (#475)
No one above 84 made it out. ABOVE the impact area would have been 86th floor and above...
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#480. To: war (#478)
That said, nothing is seen when the penthouse collapses other than the penthouse collapsing...
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#481. To: FormerLurker (#479)
#482. To: FormerLurker (#480)
So now you're trying to say WTC 7 is still there absent its penthouse?
#483. To: All (#482)
#484. To: war (#481)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#485. To: FormerLurker (#484)
There WAS a survivor that was on the 91st floor.
#486. To: NeoconsNailed (#483)
I'm excited to discover today (took me awhile) that there's tons of discussion going on here.
#487. To: war (#485)
"A few people escaped from the 78th floor down these stairs. One person went down the stairs from the 81st floor, two from the 84th floor and one from the 91st. "
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#488. To: lucysmom (#435)
Not all of a sudden, I've been a member for years.
#489. To: noone222 (#488)
For years you've been smart enough to keep your pie hole shut. So why the recent outburst ???
#490. To: FormerLurker (#487)
Ok, so you admit that the impact zone and areas immediately above it were safe for people to walk through unharmed, correct?
#491. To: FormerLurker (#453)
9/11/01: WYNW (FOX) Reporter Confirms The Fires In The South Tower Were Almost Out
#492. To: war (#491)
9/11/01: WYNW (FOX) Reporter Confirms The Fires In The South Tower Were Almost Out
Anyone who was reporting that the fires in WTC7 were almost out was 100% wrong...
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#493. To: FormerLurker (#492)
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The headline said SOUTH TOWER, not WTC7.
#494. To: All (#493)
#495. To: FormerLurker (#492)
#496. To: war (#493)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#497. To: FormerLurker (#496)
Yep, you know more than the people who were putting out the fires.
#498. To: FormerLurker (#496)
Yep, you know more than the people who were putting out the fires. Good for you war.
#499. To: war (#497)
Nowhere does FDNY state that the fire in any of the towers were nearly out.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#500. To: war (#498)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#501. To: FormerLurker (#500)
Those pictures were taken shortly after the aircraft crashed into the towers, right?
#502. To: FormerLurker (#500)
As far as the penthouse (you apparently have a fixation with that magazine), I've already given you my thoughts on that.
#503. To: war (#501)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#504. To: war (#502)
It took repeated askings for you to acknowledge that WTC7 collapse began well prior to when you claimed that it did...
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#505. To: FormerLurker (#503)
Regardless of when they were taken, office fires cannot and will not cause a building to collapse in less than hour.
#506. To: FormerLurker (#504)
The bombs certainly did demolish the area under the penthouse before the main charges...
#507. To: war (#505)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#508. To: FormerLurker (#507)
You won't accept the laws of physics
#509. To: war (#508)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#510. To: war (#508)
Everything that you have presented HAS BEEN falsified.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#511. To: FormerLurker (#509)
#512. To: Abraham (#511)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#513. To: FormerLurker (#509)
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