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Title: Methodical Illusion: The 9/11 Con Begins to Crumble — Rebekah Roth (Flight Attendant)
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URL Source: http://sgtreport.com/2015/03/method ... egins-to-crumble-rebekah-roth/
Published: Mar 23, 2015
Author: Rebekah Roth
Post Date: 2015-03-23 10:33:47 by christine
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Views: 18737
Comments: 557
Rebekah Roth has, in my opinion, blown the lid off of the lies surrounding the events on 9/11. Facts which are outlined in her recently released book, Methodical Illusion; a book, as of this writing, that is #1 on the Amazon Best Seller List for its category.--NorthWestLibertyNews Poster Comment: Roth’s research reveals ALL of the 911 cell phone calls from the passengers to their families and friends were actually made on the ground after the 4 planes landed at a remote military airfield and listen to what her research reveals about passenger 9B. This is a must listen. I agree with NorthWestLibertyNews's opinion that Rebekah has blown the lid off the 9/11 lies.
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#507. To: war (#505)
As Neo said the other day, this is going nowhere. You won't accept the laws of physics, you won't use common sense and reason, and you engage in circular arguments. I have more important things to do than play along with someone who really isn't here to discover what did or didn't happen on 9/11, but is here instead to waste other people's time. If I had all day long to educate you, or perhaps a full week, perhaps I could give you a one on one GoToMeeting presentation using a white board, textbook chapters on physics, mathmatical proof of assertions made, and the historical chain of events leading up to 9/11, what happened on 9/11, and what happened afterwards. Perhaps if you cared about any of that, you would have already looked up Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and found out what they have to say on the matter. Maybe you'd have looked up the NYFD recordings from that day, or looked up info on the timeline leading up to 9/11 including the negotiations between the Taliban and UNICOL concerning the proposed Tran-Afghan pipeline. Perhaps you'd do many things MOST of us here have already done, and once you'd have taken the time to do so, you'd understand what we're trying to tell you. I've gone through all this before, going round after round with shillsters such as BAC, yukon, and a wide assortment of other Internet personas over the many years I've been posting on forums starting at Freerepublic, then at LP, and finally here on 4um. No matter what amount of facts presented short of an admission from GW Bush and Dick Cheney that they personally authorized the 9/11 attacks and ordered various agencies to support those attacks, would you ever admit that the facts definitiely prove that the offical government tale on what happened that day is nothing more than an implausible and ridiculous fantasy based upon lies, more lies, and even more lies. I have REAL work to get done war, but if you ever wish to seriously discuss what happened, just give me a shout, but for now, I can't be bothered with your games. *Accept* such as what? That massive explosions and high velocity collisions with solid objects don't cause any damage and 10's of thousands of gallons of a volatile accelerant introduced, ignited, in to a fuel rich environment doesn't result in significant fires? That the effect of gravity isn't direct but circuitous? You believe all of that. So...it's not me ignoring those laws...it's you... Perhaps if you cared about any of that, you would have already looked up Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and found out what they have to say on the matter. I've read the arguments and conclusions of this very small group of people. I've also seen them rebutted by their peers in more than one place. Maybe you'd have looked up the NYFD recordings from that day Not only have I read the transcripts, I know actual FDNY who were there that day - including family members - and who were pulled from the area around WTC7 circa 230ish because there was nothing left of half of the south face of the building...none of them, not one of them, have any doubt why that building collapsed. No matter what amount of facts presented You keep thinking that you have presented facts. Here's a clue. Facts cannot be falsified. Everything that you have presented HAS BEEN falsified. --Are you a *Jew*?
You keep pretending that large stationary objects can collapse into themselves as if they're made of matchsticks, and accelerate at the rate of earth's gravity with a skyscraper between them and the ground. You keep pretending that office fires can superheat structural steel to the point of failure in less than an hour, and can cause perfectly symmetrical collapses INTO the path of MOST resistance, straight through undamaged solid objects. You keep insisting that cell phones actually worked at cruising altitude for airliners back in 2001. You close your eyes to any and all facts which point towards deception on the part of the US government and its media puppets. That's just for starters. But like I said, you would argue till we both die of old age the same circular arguments, if given the opportunity. I'm not playing that game with you war. You are a liar war. And that IS a fact. You keep pretending that large stationary objects can collapse into themselves as if they're made of matchsticks, and accelerate at the rate of earth's gravity with a skyscraper between them and the ground. Nobody is claiming that and there is nothing supporting that anything like that happened during 911. You keep pretending that office fires can superheat structural steel to the point of failure in less than an hour, and can cause perfectly symmetrical collapses INTO the path of MOST resistance, straight through undamaged solid objects. Office fire? LOL okay. They did not collapse into the path of most resistance. Actual structural engineers have demonstrated the facts about their collapse. You keep insisting that cell phones actually worked at cruising altitude for airliners back in 2001. Back in the 90's, they had actual pay for use cellphones mounted on the back of the seat in front of you. I guess they could have been land line phones, but that's a pretty long cable. I can't believe anybody outside a mental institution is still arguing this garbage anymore.
Wow. The 2nd wave floats in. Nobody is claiming that and there is nothing supporting that anything like that happened during 911. Oh, so you're saying the WTC towers are still standing? Office fire? LOL okay. They did not collapse into the path of most resistance. Actual structural engineers have demonstrated the facts about their collapse. Yes, office fires. The jet fuel had burned up within the first few minutes, and most of it ended up being used up in the fireballs formed OUTSIDE the WTC towers. As far as path of most resistance, what experiences less resistance to gravity, an object sliding off an incline, an object losing its balance and toppling over through thin air, or an object resting on top of a solid object below it? Back in the 90's, they had actual pay for use cellphones mounted on the back of the seat in front of you. I guess they could have been land line phones, but that's a pretty long cable. Wrong. Those phones were discontinued prior to 9/11 on the airliners in question, and the US government has insisted (then flip/flopped) then insisted again that cell phones were used to place those calls. So educate yourself as to what is CLAIMED to have happened prior to telling people they don't know what they're talking about. I can't believe anybody outside a mental institution is still arguing this garbage anymore. So which insane asylum do YOU hail from? You are much kinder to "war" than I could be ...
"We're all on death row, only the execution date is uncertain". Doug Scheidt 2015
I remember those phones. Thanks for the laugh.
You are much kinder to "war" than I could be ... I believe you.
Why do you think steel columns were coated with fire retardant?
Every single bit of your piss-gargling nonsense has been thoroughly and completely debunked over and over. I'm not going revisit all of this nearly 14 years later. None of the buildings fell at free fall. None of the building fell into their own footprint. There is indisputable visual evidence that the building collapsed at the locations they were hit by the planes. So in your hare brained theory, either the pilots managed to hit the spots where the explosives were previously planted or there were people alive up there after the plane impact who were determined to commit a suicide act.
And there we have it! Funny, just last week I tried to persuade formerlurker not to insult abraham by jeering "take your meds" because I thought that the level of discourse here was more mature and factual than ad hominem attacks. Yet here abe himself defaults and degrades to this very behavior on 4um. Sure didn't take long! Pity, emotionalism. What a shame. I wonder if a forum of teenagers discussing topics would be much different. "Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
I'm not going to pretend crazy people are anything other than crazy. However, here is a conspiracy which can't be denied:
Well that's essentially what FL said to my suggestion, also. So each calls the other "crazy" because they have a different opinion, & personal insults are viewed as the remedy. If you say so., to each their own. I think that if you go around insulting people you're vertainly free to do so, but it won't get you any converts to your side & will only diminish any respect people had for you. What's the big deal about people disagreeing anyway? Even good friends & family may often disagree on serious matters. Its not the end of the world. That's what autonomy means. If someone wants to believe & defend the govt story on 911 14 years after the fact who cares? If they're hat invested in it maybe they need to be that way. Doesn't affect me in the least. Just as my calling the story a fraud has no bearing whatsoever on you or your life. Everyone here will probably be dead in 50 years or less anyway & when we meet our maker, will you/we be proud that we went around denigrating & insulting other people? Surely not. "Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
I didn't insult anyone in particular. I simply made a general statement about that people who continue to put credence in this nonsense. I am well aware that I will never convert those "who have woken up to the troof" of anything. I doubt I will comment anymore on these troofer threads. I can't believe anybody still is pushing this stuff.
I don't disagree with the manipulation to get America into endless war in the ME after 9/11, but I still want to know what happened to the passengers if they didn't die in the aircraft.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#508. To: FormerLurker (#507)
You won't accept the laws of physics
#509. To: war (#508)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#510. To: war (#508)
Everything that you have presented HAS BEEN falsified.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#511. To: FormerLurker (#509)
#512. To: Abraham (#511)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#513. To: FormerLurker (#509)
#514. To: Abraham (#511)
s mounted on the back of the seat in front of you. I guess they could have been land line phones, but that's a pretty long cable.
#515. To: noone222 (#513)
#516. To: FormerLurker (#512)
#517. To: FormerLurker (#512)
#518. To: Abraham, formerlurker (#511)
I can't believe anybody outside a mental institution is still arguing this garbage anymore.
#519. To: Artisan (#518)
#520. To: Abraham, all, Good Friday, do unto others (#519)
I'm not going to pretend crazy people are anything other than crazy.
#521. To: Artisan (#520)
I think that if you go around insulting people you're vertainly free to do so, but it won't get you any converts to your side & will only diminish any respect people had for you.
#522. To: christine (#1)
-Alex Kurtagic
#523. To: X-15 (#522) (Edited)
Not only were the numbers of alleged passengers unusually low, there are multiple discrepencies in the reported passenger lists -- some names in particular that appear in one place...disappear in another...duplicate in morphed forms. Some names might be on the list as an exit strategy for witness protection program identity changes. Some may have been killed prior and their names included for insurance and disaster charity fraud. People who were close to them would tend to think they did die as 9/11 victims. Some names may even be entirely fictitous, also for insurance and disaster charity fraud amongst the insiders. Reportedly, the wife of one of the air traffic controllers that day was on one the alleged hijacks. iirc, he might have been the ATC who reportedly had been involved in the Egypt Air disaster and another too. As for alleged Flt. 93 "officially" claimed to have crashed deep into the ground at Shanksville, PA, anyone of the opinion that was a real airliner with real people aboard should at least question why no attempt to excavate said impact zone for any possible survivors. Edited last sentence. I don't disagree with the manipulation to get America into endless war in the ME after 9/11, but I still want to know what happened to the passengers if they didn't die in the aircraft.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#524. To: GreyLmist, X-15, christine (#523)
Red Ice Radio – Rebekah Roth – Hour 1 – 9/11: Methodical Illusion
#525. To: GreyLmist (#523)
!!!!!!!! I can't believe you typed those words. question why no attempt to excavate said impact zone for any possible survivors.
-Alex Kurtagic
#526. To: X-15 (#525)
There's a lot of words that I cannot believe get typed including the most recent ones that state that when a building's support columns are destroyed that it isn't gravity that brings them down... I can't believe you typed those words.
--Are you a *Jew*?
#527. To: war (#526)
Whoever said that, you? I cannot believe get typed including the most recent ones that state that when a building's support columns are destroyed that it isn't gravity that brings them down...
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#528. To: FormerLurker (#527)
You.
--Are you a *Jew*?
#529. To: war (#528)
Go ahead and find the post and link it, otherwise admit that you are a liar. You.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#530. To: X-15 (#525)
!!!!!!!! I can't believe you typed those words. Why not? I thought about adding the words "or decedent remains either" but decided against it. question why no attempt to excavate said impact zone for any possible survivors.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#531. To: FormerLurker (#529)
Your whole narrative is that. Support columns were destroyed when the planes hit the towers...structural support was further compromised by the combination of stress and fire... But the buildings had to be blown up to fall... Go ahead and find the post and link it, otherwise admit that you are a liar.
--Are you a *Jew*?
#532. To: GreyLmist (#530)
Prior to South Tower collapse FDNY was climbing the stairs to the area of impact in Tower 1...
--Are you a *Jew*?
#533. To: war (#531)
Support columns were destroyed when the planes hit the towers...structural support was further compromised by the combination of stress and fire... But the buildings had to be blown up to fall... Pure BS. The CENTRAL CORES of the towers were NOT destroyed prior to the collapse. Only a relatively small SECTION of the outer wall was damaged in the impact areas of the towers. Thus, the SUPPORTING STRUCTURE UNDER the damaged areas were INTACT snd STABLE, contrary to your smoke and mirrors carnival show, and contrary to your wild claims. Your whole narrative is that.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#534. To: GreyLmist (#530)
If you were having a joke I missed it: when an airliner pile-drives into the ground there are NO "survivors". Ever.
-Alex Kurtagic
#535. To: GreyLmist (#523)
Anyway there was a 10 mile debris field & an engine was 2 miles away from the aleged crash site of flight 93 (both mainstream news) Alsofox reported 93 landed safely in cincinatti, quoting both the fbi & airline spokesmen by name. They later merely quipped it was an error. Wtf? How can two specific admissions be called error?
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
#536. To: x-15 (#535)
Ping to #535
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
#537. To: X-15 (#534)
I probably should have been clearer about the excavation comment, which I meant to convey with a sense of immediacy, in case of any possible survivors -- that day of 9/11 rather than some days later when they were searching for the black boxes. I know the chances of survivors would seem impossible in a real scenario but the official story is that the ground was very soft at the point of impact and that's why the plane, or most of it, tunneled at least 15 feet fully underground and maybe went into a mine shaft too -- which could have increased chances of survival if so, I would guess. And if the ground was that soft, it should have been easy to reach the plane right away to find out. If you were having a joke I missed it: when an airliner pile-drives into the ground there are NO "survivors". Ever.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#538. To: FormerLurker (#533)
You know this how, exactly? From this view? Please point out the *central* cores - which, btw, is a redundancy... A *core*, by definition< is *central*... The CENTRAL CORES of the towers were NOT destroyed prior to the collapse.
--Are you a *Jew*?
#539. To: FormerLurker (#533)
Again... Look at the North Tower...3/4 of the outer columns of the north face are severed... Look at the South Tower...nearly the entire columns on the east face as well as and nearly half on the north are severed... So, please, stop telling me that what I can see with my own eyes is not what I'm seeing with my own eyes. Only a relatively small SECTION of the outer wall was damaged in the impact areas of the towers.
--Are you a *Jew*?
#540. To: war (#539)
Yet there is NO damage to the floors below the damaged area, so explain to me why THEY would suddenly fail to support the upper structure. As far as WTC2, the plane hit on an angle and did not damage the central core, which was the predominate load bearing component of the structure. The outer wall columns were chiefly there for horizontal loads, such as for providing stablity against winds. Trusses supported the actual lightweight cement of the floors themselves, but they did not support the actual structure other than the immediate floor which rested on them.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#541. To: GreyLmist (#537)
I'd never heard that whacky story; which is even goofier than the Pentagon story. 93 was shot down and left an eight mile debris field before whatever was remaining crashed in PA. ...the official story is that the ground was very soft at the point of impact and that's why the plane, or most of it, tunneled at least 15 feet fully underground and maybe went into a mine shaft too -- which could have increased chances of survival if so, I would guess. And if the ground was that soft, it should have been easy to reach the plane right away to find out.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#542. To: Artisan (#535)
Possibly falsely planted. No bodies or parts of them along those miles. A shootdown has been claimed through the years, I think, to condition the public to accept that as "Standard Operating Procedure" in hijacks rather than trying to save the lives of passengers by negotiations for a safe landing. To push that even more, the so-called "heroic passengers" meme is "Masada-styled" as if to "ok" them murdering everyone aboard before the hijackers did and endangering lives on the ground, too, in the process instead of waiting for Military intervention, which they couldn't have had any evidence wasn't on the way and nearby. They later merely quipped it was an error. Wtf? How can two specific admissions be called error? Infowar...PsyOps... Anyway there was a 10 mile debris field & an engine was 2 miles away from the aleged crash site of flight 93 (both mainstream news)
Alsofox reported 93 landed safely in cincinatti, quoting both the fbi & airline spokesmen by name.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#543. To: FormerLurker (#540)
So you're saying that where there was no damage...there was no damage. Got it. Mr. Obvious Rides Again... As far as WTC2, the plane hit on an angle and did not damage the central core, which was the predominate load bearing component of the structure. Uh...no...the *predominant* load bearing *component* of the structure was the outer structure...the center support was secondary... That's a fatal error of knowledge, btw... Yet there is NO damage to the floors below the damaged area
--Are you a *Jew*?
#544. To: Lod (#541)
Yes, I think so too. I'd never heard that whacky story; which is even goofier than the Pentagon story.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#545. To: FormerLurker (#540)
Lightweight cement...?!? Hilarious... On one hand the structure's floors had heavy cement which should have stopped the downward momentum of 10's of millions of tons of falling steel and office equipment and the regular weight cement...on the other hand, it was *lightweight* and, therefore, what? Could defy gravity? Trusses supported the actual lightweight cement of the floors themselves
--Are you a *Jew*?
#546. To: GreyLmist (#542)
I have no doubts whatsoever that it was...just as I have no doubts about TWA 800... A shootdown has been claimed through the years, I think, to condition the public to accept that as "Standard Operating Procedure" in hijacks rather than trying to save the lives of passengers by negotiations for a safe landing.
--Are you a *Jew*?
#547. To: war (#545)
Are you an idiot in real life, or do you just play one on the Internet?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
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