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Title: Methodical Illusion: The 9/11 Con Begins to Crumble — Rebekah Roth (Flight Attendant)
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URL Source: http://sgtreport.com/2015/03/method ... egins-to-crumble-rebekah-roth/
Published: Mar 23, 2015
Author: Rebekah Roth
Post Date: 2015-03-23 10:33:47 by christine
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Rebekah Roth has, in my opinion, blown the lid off of the lies surrounding the events on 9/11. Facts which are outlined in her recently released book, Methodical Illusion; a book, as of this writing, that is #1 on the Amazon Best Seller List for its category.--NorthWestLibertyNews Poster Comment: Roth’s research reveals ALL of the 911 cell phone calls from the passengers to their families and friends were actually made on the ground after the 4 planes landed at a remote military airfield and listen to what her research reveals about passenger 9B. This is a must listen. I agree with NorthWestLibertyNews's opinion that Rebekah has blown the lid off the 9/11 lies.
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Please listen to this!
Truth is still truth even if no one believes it. A lie is still a lie even if everyone believes it.
Uhhhhh...
Wtg, christine. Cyni may well have stroked out on this one.
Christine knows full well what the Uhhhh entails. It means I would rather watch my hair grow than read what she posted.
Nothing like sticking your head in the sand to keep yourself "informed" of new data and events, eh? No wonder you're stuck in a world which appeared as it did 40 years ago. MIHOP through and through ~ thanks for this interview.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Here's something from the "Miracle on the Hudson pilot", Jeff Skiles...
Christine, thanks for posting this. Thanks for your generous and successful efforts to educate, to maintain this forum. Your role in truth and decency and patriotism is greatly appreciated.
"The 'uniter' has brought the entire world together - to despise and deride us." Lod - Jake's best pal.
And a big amen! to that.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
One can hope! It seems that our super aviator either doesn't know or care that cell phones didn't work on commercial airliners. The last time I tried it was on a flight to christine's, NO SIGNAL ever, and the plane didn't crash, this was part of our discussion on that visit. It'll take more than facts or science to wake-up that old fool. The 2 best times to keep your mouth shut are when you’re swimming & when you’re angry. “Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele “The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb “I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm
I have to say, I've left my phone on and seen other passengers with theirs on during takeoff even, and never an issue.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Long article, seems to confirm on the first page that calls near takeoff/landing work, but otherwise not so much. Keep in mind that we're also talking about 2001 technology here. While it may not seem that relevant, advances have been enormous.
Exactly! If you could bring a plane down with a cell phone, computer, Ipod, or radio would they really let you take them on the plane, or confiscate them like water bottles and shampoo. Cell phone call circa. 2001- 02 from cruising speed and altitude, I call bullshit. The 2 best times to keep your mouth shut are when you’re swimming & when you’re angry. “Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele “The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb “I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm
LOL! The argument has been won, it's time to enjoy the victory.
Better get your flak jacket on.
I heard this stewardess interviewed two weeks ago on Coast to Coast. I shook my head when she steered a demonstrably provable event (the intentional destruction of three buildings) into the unprovable (the planes landed and the passengers murdered). IMO, a very simple rule should apply in this case; if you can't prove it, shut your pie hole.
Absolutely correct. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
DNA and body parts were taken out of the Pentagon. The families accepted such but some know full well the families all lied. Right...
Yep ~ all we know is how it did not happen. The rest is still really fuzzy. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
IMO, the only body parts were from blown-up accountants working on the missing 2.3T that Rummy promised to find for Cynthia McKinney... So much for that. BOOM! it disappeared into Zakheim's wire transfer to jisrael. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
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The rest is still really fuzzy. That was my exact thought when I was listening to her. Hundreds of expert witnesses could testify that the govt. story is BS based on physics, architecture and building demolition, while her theory (murdered passengers) has no factual basis. Frankly I think her efforts do more to damage Truth that they do to help.
You mean, maybe the perps HIRED her to write the book, make a million bucks and muddy further the already murky waters. Now there is a conspiracy I can go for, we just have to figure out what agency to hang it on. I love a good tasty conspiracy. One meets all kinds of nice fruits, nuts, dimwits, rubes, dullards, losers etc etc.
Could be. I wouldn't be the first time for such a tactic.
You think these fucks do it just for fun? Follow the money, Cyni, follow the plays for power. It's obvious who is behind all this. The Boy Scouts of America! They want free decorators and all the swaths of swatches they bring! Bunting for everyone, huzzah! corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
I knew they were an odd lot.
The YMCA killed John Lennon!
corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
Sun came up a minute late this morning, where was it, what was going on, somebody was up to something??????
Sun came up a minute late this morning, where was it, what was going on, somebody was up to something?????? we were all up to something :) corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
Mark Chapman: the Man Who Shot Lennon
corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
Thank you, Bub. You're awesome. :) Truth is still truth even if no one believes it. A lie is still a lie even if everyone believes it.
Take that, you naysayers! ;) Truth is still truth even if no one believes it. A lie is still a lie even if everyone believes it.
Excerpt from Kevin Barrett's review of Methodical Illusion: The truth-seeking community – and the airline industry – are abuzz over Rebekah Roth’s new book Methodical Illusion. It’s poised to break into the top 1,000 worldwide, selling so fast that Amazon may even have tried to stop its rise to bestseller status by falsely claiming “sorry, out of stock.” We’ve seen this situation before…such as on September 8th, 2013, when the RT documentary 9/11 and Operation Gladio started to go viral and suddenly disappeared from search engines – as emails containing its url began falling into a big black hole in cyberspace. So what’s all the excitement about? Why would the people whose job is to “disable the purveyors of conspiracy theories” try to limit sales of a potboiler novel by a former stewardess? Hint: It isn’t literary quality they’re afraid of. If you want a 9/11 truth novel by a literary genius, read Thomas Pynchon’s Bleeding Edge. Pynchon’s book has lots of great writing and a modest amount of 9/11 truth, packaged in such a way as not to offend the Tribe that dominates American media. But if you want a rough-hewn page-turner with more 9/11 truth than anything you’re likely to read this side of David Ray Griffin or Christopher Bollyn (or Veterans Today for that matter) check out Methodical Illusion. Roth boldly goes where no stewardess or novelist has gone before, pinning 9/11 squarely on the Israelis and their American assets, and providing a convincing explanation of how the planes were “hijacked,” by whom, where they went, and what happened to the passengers. Roth’s book has set off a stampede by her former colleagues in the aviation industry, who are rushing to provide details supporting her revelations. They are confirming the installation of FTS (Flight Termination System) equipment on the models “hijacked” on 9/11, which allowed those planes to be taken over remotely and flown from the ground. When FTS takes over a plane, it completely shuts down that plane’s communications with the outside world. That explains why not one of the four pilots on any of the 9/11 planes managed to flip a toggle switch and squawk the hijack code. Had the aircraft been hijacked in a normal manner, the pilots, who are trained to instantly squawk “hijack” in such an emergency, all would have done so. Truth is still truth even if no one believes it. A lie is still a lie even if everyone believes it.
Yup!
Excerpt: Rebekah Roth is not a whistle blower. She is a researcher. While very plausible, her hypothesis is just that. It is backed by no references, and she takes forever to get to it. Her hypothesis is that the planes were commandeered by remote control ("a flight termination system") and landed at nearby airports shortly after takeoff. NORAD and FAA computers were manipulated to show phony flight paths after the jets had actually landed. She calculates that the two jets that left Boston landed at Westover Air Base near Springfield MA. The passengers were told they were participating in a drill and asked to make scripted cell phone calls. One handler is even overheard saying "You did great!" on an answering machine recording. Then the passengers were murdered in cold blood. After wading through 300 pages of the author walking her dog on Puget Sound and a lame romantic plot, there are some worthwhile scraps. For example, apparently ten of the hijackers are still alive. Mohammed Atta's father said his son worked for Mossad and called him Sept. 12. There are no Arab names on the original passenger manifests; no security camera images; no passenger stubs. None of the above constitutes "solving 9-11." Roth has a notion that dummy planes were flown into the Trade Center towers. I don't believe any planes crashed into the WTC or the Pentagon. The filmmakers and "eye witnesses" were CIA plants and the planes were dubbed in later. She has nothing about the complicity of the US political elite, media, CIA or military on 9-11. Roth describes the villains as "the Octopus," Israel and its enablers, consisting of traitors in US government, media and society. Her heroine and a friend alert the President, "Joel Sherman" of an Israeli plot to set off nuclear bombs in US cities and sow deadly viruses. This will be blamed on Iran and result in war. - See more at: henrymakow.com/#sthash.q4rTIMvu.dpuf Truth is still truth even if no one believes it. A lie is still a lie even if everyone believes it.
I have to ask; isn't Rebekah (the OT spelling of Rebecca) Roth a name one associates with a Jew deli in lower Manhattan? Do we know anything about her CV? Her YouTube channel has the Stanford University logo in the left hand corner of the face page. Is she a graduate?
I'm a CIA plant? --Are you a *Jew*?
"All 58 passengers, four flight attendants, and both pilots on board, as well as 125 occupants of the Pentagon, died." Near 20,000 body parts were gathered within the Pentagon, all but 200 were identified by DNA or visual means. I often wonder how the CIA got the Pentagon workers to disappear voluntarily? By the way, I seem to recall that DNA showed two of the bad guys were brothers, which no one knew. I know, I know, all not relavent.
I often wonder how the CIA got the Pentagon workers to disappear voluntarily? If you notice the men getting off the bus in the following video (at about the 43 sec mark), carrying large dark duffel bags, they are most likely the ones who peppered the Pentagon lawn with "debris" and "body parts". Could you please point me to ANY images of the cockpit, tail section, seats, luggage, or anything else that would be consistent with an airliner flying into a solid object? Well, you had me fooled!
Did I say that out loud? Dammit...now I have to kill everybody... Okay...line up in an orderly fashion...no talking or gum chewing please... --Are you a *Jew*?
You do realize that your question is the answer? BTW, on the North Side of 1 Liberty Plaza on Cortland Street, there was some skin from the outside of the plane that had hit the North Tower, some seat cushions and some life preservers and air masks strewn along the street. I remember thinking, "Wow...I should take some of these as souvenirs!" and then being immediately repulsed by the thought. --Are you a *Jew*?
Have you never seen images of real wreckage from a real crash? Can you show me where the tail is in the Pentagon "debris"? I remember watching a live broadcast and seeing the second plane hit - how did the CIA manage to dub that in after the fact? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KYE4zViAAg 12 minute mark.
Planes are made of and transport materials that essentially disintegrate on impact... --Are you a *Jew*?
WTC attacks were drones, ie. airliners or tankers converted to appear as passenger aircraft yet were remotely controlled. There were at least tens of thousands of witnesses to the WTC attacks; I doubt they were all "CIA assets". Not to mention every single news agency was covering the event as it unfolded, I doubt all of them were reporting on non-existant events being staged from a central control center in real time. I think those who insist the no-plane tale is absolute fact are in reality actively involved in the obvious coverup, sowing discord amongst the "truthers", and "proving" to others who actually believe the official government lies concerning 9/11 that all "truthers" are stark raving lunatics. The Pentagon attack was most likely a drone as well, being substantially smaller than an actual airliner, yet painted to appear as one from a distance. Well...in real time, they certainly *dubbed* in something very large and very loud over my very head around 9:03AM 11th Sep 2001...
--Are you a *Jew*?
Oh my lord... --Are you a *Jew*?
Well Google "aircraft crashes' and view the images, you can see they don't vaporize or disintegrate on impact. So IF hypothetically there is SO much force and energy in an event to totally vaporize several tons of metal, where the wings of the aircraft don't even blow up as they hit a concrete wall, they simply vanish like they were beamed up from the Star Ship Enterprise, why would remnants of human bodies not disappear as well in your opinion? What better way to get rid of pesky evidence at the WTC than totally demolishing the evidence by way of demolition, and removal of any lingering debris to China? If those buildings HADN'T "fallen down", there'd have been NO way for their plan to have worked. That was the greedheads at work as they couldn't wait to rebuild...and there was nothing left to *demolish*...I looked down on that hole for three months before I couldn't take it any more... --Are you a *Jew*?
And they didn't preserve anything for any sort of investigation... One more very important question. What would be the rational for designing a passenger craft that would effectively be guaranteed to kill everyone on board if an accident were to occur? Hate to tell you this, but planes are made of extremely durable materials that can withstand hundred's of thousands of pounds of force in everyday use, such as the ability to safely lift over 220,000 pounds (757 take off weight unloaded) for round the clock use, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. Planes do not simply "vaporize" upon impact.
BTW, the evidence was demolished due to the "collapse" of the towers. If the towers had NOT collapsed, there would have been intact remains of the aircraft in each tower. If they were not the reported aircraft, well, we most likely would be living under a different government by now since the perps would have been hauled off in handcuffs. When a solid object directly and head on impacts a solid object there's not going to be much left... --Are you a *Jew*?
There were semi-intact remains of the aircraft outside of the towers. I saw some myself. --Are you a *Jew*?
It's apparent you've never studied physics. What you said is false. There's elastic and inelastic collisions. An example of an elastic collision is one where an object such as a baseball is impacted by a bat. The ball travels away from the point of impact and kinetic energy is conserved by way of the ball travelling through the air after being struck by the bat. An inelastic collision is one where kinetic energy is not conserved and the objects stick together, such as a plane crashing into the ground. The mass of the objects do not "disappear" just because they hit with high energy unless you're talking about something which can effectively turn to dust and dissipate. No aircraft will simply turn to dust, and its mass will remain after the collision, perhaps in many pieces, but it will ALL remain. Not saying there weren't, but I doubt they were taken into custody and properly analyzed, and I HIGHLY doubt any of that debris still remains under lock and key for future investigation. Much left that is *recognizable*...I should have said... --Are you a *Jew*?
Ah, losing the argument so now it's time to get down with the name calling, eh?
Analyzed for what? BTW, they are still finding debris... --Are you a *Jew*?
Yea...sorry...sometimes it's frustrating...apologies and edited...but we aren't arguing and I'm not losing...
--Are you a *Jew*?
BTW, they are still finding debris... Well unless you're able to obtain the item, analyze it's serial number(s), and verify it's authenticity, you don't have a leg to stand on. I'm just curious, were you NYFD or something? I'd think the site would be restricted after the crash/collapse. I'm not trying to pick a fight or anything, I don't care what really happened that day one way or another anymore. I guess my interest in this clusterfuck of a thread stems from me being a pilot before "Texting Woman" destroyed my life. Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner. What it comes down to war is that the tale of 9/11 as spun by the media and the government is physically impossible, besides being absolutely nonsensical and requires ignoring actual observed events to be even remotely believable to the non-scientifically minded common folk. Then again, why would our government want to start a WAR for no reason, right? And why would they allow guilty banksters to not only walk on criminal charges, but bail them out with TRILLIONS of tax payer dollars? And how could they simply forget that the DOD couldn't account for 2.3 TRILLION dollars, as reported the day prior to 9/11/2001? No. I worked at a company whose NY headquarters are at 1 Liberty Plaza (165 Broadway) and I sat right at the Northwest corner of the building... I do have a dozen or so NYFD friends and one relative as well as a few NYPD who were on site all day. That's why I know the WTC7 BS is just that. They all saw the South face of the building and knew that it was going to collapse... --Are you a *Jew*?
Thanks for your reply.
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner. Now you've got my undivided attention. Tell us more.
Pure BS. A weak south face does NOT cause a total collapse across all four corners of a building resulting in a free fall as if there's nothing in the way. That's why I question your truthfullness in what you "report". You could well have been in Idaho on the morning of 9/11 and simply CLAIM to have been there in NYC and have all these "friends" who KNEW it was "going to collapse".. Could you provide a link which reports ANY other building on earth falling at free fall speed due to damage on one side of the building? Please don't imply that war is a liar. It'll set him off like a firecracker. He's not.
I don't know him personally, so I look at all possibilities and options.
WTC7 was indicative of a building that was demolished. It fell in free fall. This was done to destroy the computer hard drives that contained evidence that would show the true perpetrators of 9-11. It was the U.S., Israel, and Saudi Arabia that were in cahoots over the events of 9-11. Witness the "5 dancing Israelis". The dancing implied "foreknowledge" of the event. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
Chrissy posted two articles titled Esso. Long story, short, some woman who was so important, was texting and hit me head on. She was in a big van and I was in a Honda Fit. She bruised her knee, the doctors said I should've died & wish I would have. The doctors have been pretty much worthless. Closure was about 60MPH. Unfortunately, that day I forgot to wear my helmet, HANS device, hearing protection and everything else a NASCAR driver gears up with. The end can't come soon enough. Two weeks after the accident my wife of 33 years divorced me and took everything I worked for. Have a nice day. :) Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner. The building was supported primarily by its center core.
Nope. You're confusing the WTC towers with Bldg 7, which was a steel framed high rise. He's not. I agree, war does not lie.
Well if he's not lying then he's delusional and simply hears voices in his head.
And here's the rebuttal http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2056088/Footage-kills-conspiracy-theories-Rare-footage- shows-WTC-7-consumed-fire.html
No, not that either.
Oh jeez, do you think a solid building will fall into the path of MOST resistance in a symetrical manner? Even IF one side of the building was TOTALLY destroyed, there is NO POSSIBLE way for it to "fall" straightdown, ESPECIALLY at free fall speed as if there's nothing but air under it... And THAT is how the perps get away with stuff like this, the majority of Americans have NO understanding of basic physics, as seen by the poor performance in science (as well as a host of other subjects) of US students compared to other nations. Uh huh. Are you his GF perhaps?
Great tip, but msm spells her (the deli girl) name rebecca roth. If u could find photos of both to compare that would help. "Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
The MSM has the spelling wrong, her FB page spells it
Rebekah. Ask for a friend request. She watches Iran-program Presstv,
something very Jewey. Also, as you know, Stanford is a very prestigious
university. If she went there I'm certain she would have mentioned it in one of
her interviews. If she didn't, the prominent display of the university logo is odd.
It could be worse!!! Oh wait, that doesn't apply here. Never-mind.
The 2 best times to keep your mouth shut are when you’re swimming & when you’re angry. “Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele “The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb “I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm
I believe u she's jewish but would just like to confirm if the jew deli lady is this woman who claims to have been a stewardess for 30 years. Is she the same woman?? I've never even heard of her or her book until christine posted this thread. I found an interview with her on red ice radio which is a jew wise good program. I haven't listened to it yet but will report back after the next shift. ;-) She has also been on katherine albrechts show, but dr a is oblivious to the jew issue and seems a bit xionisty herself. "Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Facebook disabled my account after they kept asking for my phone # and real name and I ignored it. The few contacts I have on FB said they don't see me listed anymore. I only used it to post likns to my site, I've never had a personal fb page and don't want one especially since their jew owner calls users "stupid fucks". What I wondered is if the photos of the jewish deli owner match that of the stewardess rebekah. "Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
www.radioislam.org/islam/.../jews_behind_internet.htm
My humor obviously missed the mark. There is no 'jew deli lady', my suggestion was that Rebekah Roth has a name that sounds like she belongs in a Jewish deli slinging knishes :P
Spot on. First responders do not arrive with loaded bags. Period. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Here's another video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kSq663m0G8
Thank you for sharing.
No serious there's a jew deli owner named rebecca roth, google it
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
The entire South Face was gone from the ground about half way up. And the collapse started on the east side of the building... That's why I question your truthfullness in what you "report". You could well have been in Idaho on the morning of 9/11 and simply CLAIM to have been there in NYC and have all these "friends" who KNEW it was "going to collapse".. The irony in your response here would overwhelm James Thurber... You weren't there. You spout nonsense. But what I say is questionable. So It Goes. --Are you a *Jew*?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85jbOSKTeFU Ha! I had no clue about the deli owner (they aren't the same) but her name conjures up that image for me. FWIW a comment I read claims that the two interviews of Roth above are nearly identical. I listened to Noory's in real time, but I haven't heard - nor do I intend to listen to - the Hagmann & Hagmann interview. Have at it if you care to.
Boy are you wrong... --Are you a *Jew*?
Um...why wouldn't they just take the computers with them? Do any of you realize how complicated you've made this event? --Are you a *Jew*?
I have never provided FB with that information...ever... I've never been asked for it either... --Are you a *Jew*?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kSq663m0G8 One of the *tricks* of the CTs is to try to pass off the North Face of WTC7 as *proof* that it was undamaged... It's also ridiculous to claim that this was done to *start* a war...as if they US needed such a violent excuse to do so... --Are you a *Jew*?
One of the *tricks* of the 'agent provocateurs' is to make fun of logical thinking people.
What's logical is to start with the explanation that has the fewest assumptions. You conspiracy theorists have so many assumptions and many of them are based upon either absolute falsehoods or gross distortions. --Are you a *Jew*?
Can you tell me where the tail section of the flight that just crashed in to the mountain is?
--Are you a *Jew*?
That's good. Maybe you can get away with stuff the goyim can't? :-)
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Has anyone published wide area images of the crash site, or are you just blowing smoke out your ass to show how "smart" you are? There have been TV images of the entire crash site...yes... --Are you a *Jew*?
You mean *other* goyim... As of now, 37 people have responded *No* when I put that* question up in my status. *Has FB assed anee a'yinz for yer full name and phone number an'at? --Are you a *Jew*?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kSq663m0G8 So you conjure up a government sponsored propaganda video. Do you think I haven't seen any these past 14 years (or before that even)? Look up "Physics, path of least resistance", and look up some controlled demolition videos to see what everyone else sees in terms of comparison. Also, while you're at it, look up Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, you'll find that it's members are all highly respected professionals who see the same problems most other educated people see. When I get a chance I'll check it out. Kewelio... Btw and fwiw, when I blow smoke out of my ass I'm being particularly *dumb*... --Are you a *Jew*?
Uh huh. Have you ever heard of the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City? The entire side of the building was destroyed by explosives, yet the building didn't budge. Fires have raged in high rise buildings for a day or more, yet even THOSE buildings didn't fall as if someone kicked the bottom out. So go ahead and find ANY example other than WTC 1, 2, or 7 where such a thing has ever happened. BTW, did you ever play with Legos when you were a kid? Were you ever able to get a stack of them to fall straight down if you took some off one side? No, it would be impossible. If it WERE to fall (after giving it a push), it'd tilt sideways, then break up as hit the ground sideways. You don't even need to study physics to know that, all you need is common sense. Boy are you wrong... So war, would you care to elaborate why a team of men would be carrying large duffel bags filled to capacity as they approach the Pentagon lawn on 9/11? And please describe to us any instances you know of where a team of men in suits show up at other aircraft crash sites with duffel bags filled to the brim. Right. undamaged except for that hole in its side some 20-stories high. Or that the structure was further weakened by hours of fires let burn because the building was too unstable to send in firemen. "WTC Building 7 appears to have suffered significant damage at some point after the WTC Towers had collapsed, according to firefighters at the scene. Firefighter Butch Brandies tells other firefighters that nobody is to go into Building 7 because of creaking and noises coming out of there. [Firehouse Magazine, 8/02] Battalion Chief John Norman later recalls, "At the edge of the south face you could see that it is very heavily damaged." [Firehouse Magazine, 5/02] Heavy, thick smoke rises near 7 World Trade Center. Smoke is visible from the upper floors of the 47- story building. Firefighters using transits to determine whether there was any movement in the structure were surprised to discover that is was moving. The area was evacuated and the building collapsed later in the afternoon of Sept. 11."
Why would ANY structure fall straight down at free fall speed as if there's nothing under it? The ONLY way that can happen is through controlled demolition, no matter HOW you spin it. 5.11 Tactical Responder BLS 2900 Bag
Another missed reality is the fact that the shape of the building was actually a trapezoid and not a rectangle. The columns that were compromised were on the shorter side and when they failed the load shift was more massive. --Are you a *Jew*?
It didn't...the east side actually fell first... So much for trying to embed... https://youtu.be/VYNesSmwF7I --Are you a *Jew*?
Now please tell me what a team of suited individuals would be carrying in those bags.
This has all been so debunked so many years ago. I don't know why anyone should try anymore. The buildings did not fall at free fall speed. This is easily demonstrated by watching the beams that were flung out which fell much faster than the actual structure. You guys should just go try and get a girlfriend or at least a gerbil.
So it's apparent that you've never watched any video of the collapse, nor the analysis of said video in terms of rate of acceleration matching that of an object in free fall. I see why a lot of people view you as a troll. That was a medical team that was dispatched to the site. --Are you a *Jew*?
Bullshit. You are talking about the towers, WTC 7 did in fact fall STRAIGHT DOWNWARDS and did not disintegrate during collapse as WTC 1 and 2 did, the top is visible throughout and it DID drop at a rate of acceleration identical to an object in free fall. I you believe otherwise you're deluding yourself. Because they need something to carry their equipment in. Google "first responder duffle bags". There are duffle bags, backpack bags, bags on wheels - all kinds of bags on a wide variety of styles and colors.
I see why a lot of people view you as a troll. I tried to embed the video of the building collapsing but failed...if you go back to #120 I simply posted the link. As you can clearly see, the east side collapses first, the building twists as the stress load is distributed and then it collapses...and not at free fall speed, either... --Are you a *Jew*?
The video that I posted clearly shows otherwise... --Are you a *Jew*?
LOL!!! If they were a medical team they would have been acting with a bit more urgency, and they wouldn't be strolling about. In fact, if you were to fish the net for images of "debris" on the Pentagon lawn, you'd see these same suited individuals "finding" said debris. Hey, maybe they were bums who were digging through dumpsters for their meals, and they hit the motherlode prior to hitching a rid on that bus, eh? You're quite the stooge for the government aren't you.. Hey let's see what a NYC firefighter REALLY has to say. I'll have to assume it's worth listening to, as I don't have audio here at the current time. What proffer can you make that the videos capture the onset of the collapse? In fact, one of them is part of the video that I posted with the initial collapse edited out...
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That video is useless...
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No it did not as its fall damaged buildings on other blocks such as the Borough of Manhattan Community College's Fiterman Hall building. I'm done with this nonsense. I'm going back to supporting Ted Cruz.
You're speculating...and not very well. In fact, if you were to fish the net for images of "debris" on the Pentagon lawn, you'd see these same suited individuals "finding" said debris. Are you saying that I should be surprised and thus suspicious because US military personnel were both at and dispatched to the Pentagon? --Are you a *Jew*?
And the US post office...
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You may as well be supporting Hillary Clinton or John McCaine. No wonder our nation is doomed. What it comes down to war is that it doesn't matter how many facts you ignore, and how much you distort reality, the facts and the truth WILL remain the same. And it does not matter to me one bit if you continue to live in a fantasy world where science doesn't exist and a handful of bad men with beards can overwhelm our multi-trillion dollar defense and intelligence networks with box cutters. Those who committed the deeds, and those such as you who continue to aid and abet them, will continue to do so no matter what you or I think. The ONLY way that can happen is through controlled demolition, no matter HOW you spin it. Apparently controlled demolition isn't the only way a building with structural damage, and then further weakened by fire can come down. When metal is heated, it loses strength. (I used to love to watch the horseshoer work when I was a kid)
I think you mean farrier...
"Footage of the site showed a remote and craggy landscape dominated by imposing mountains. The French newspaper Le Monde noted that the impact of the crash was so severe that the plane had been reduced to 'confetti,' creating a serious challenge for search teams and investigators." What it comes down to war is that it doesn't matter how many facts you ignore, and how much you distort reality, the facts and the truth WILL remain the same. A fact is something that cannot be falsified. What you have presented most certainly can be and has been falsified, Thus, referring to them as *facts* is quite incongruous. I'll also note that you made no proffer that the videos showed the ENITRE collapse. --Are you a *Jew*?
Unfortunately, those multi-trillion dollars aren't spent on the men actually in the field...airport screeners prior to 9/11 made minimum wage and I carried my Swiss Army knife on just about every flight that I took prior to 9/11...including 5 days before from West Palm to NYC... And then there are the numerous, documented cases of people just not paying attention...including DumbDumb and The Big Dick... --Are you a *Jew*?
Why is that so hard to believe? Hijacking planes is nothing new. Here's a list: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_hija ckings The idea of crashing a hijacked plane into a building isn't even new: June 20, 1979: Nikola Kavaja, a Serbian nationalist and anti-communist hijacked American Airlines Flight 293. During the hijacking, Kavaja demanded and received another airplane with the intent of crashing it into the headquarters of the Yugoslav Communist Party. His lawyer convinced him to surrender after landing at Shannon Airport, Ireland.
Damn Fred, you're right. Its been a long time since I was a kid.
A couple of months before 9/11, a G-* meeting was ringed with anti-aircraft batteries out of fear of *Kamikaze* style attacks... --Are you a *Jew*?
Well...there was that one time with the ghost... (;^D --Are you a *Jew*?
They proved it doesn't matter how much information you have, if you don't pay attention, or know how to use it.
I forgot about the ghost. Any more encounters?
The Murrah Building was constructed differently, IIRC, it was modular. But the more important reason is that most of the building did collapse...not just one side of it... --Are you a *Jew*?
No...I couldn't stay there the last time that I was in...I stayed at the Queen Anne which is on the other end of the block on Sutter but it also thoroughly sucked...I should be through there late next month and will issue my Paranormal report when we have lunch...
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I didn't hear any voices either...just the sound of stuff continually falling off of the vanity in the WC...including a plugged in cell phone that somehow became unplugged and fell to the floor...
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Here's a picture of the Murrah Building falling under controlled demolition. upload.wikimedia.org/wiki...ngDemolitionMay1995.jpg/1 024px-MurrahBuildingDemolitionMay1995.jpg How come its not falling straight down?
If you didn't hear voices, you're ok then.
Kewelio...
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The "Pod People" And The Plane The media cannot ask, let alone answer, those questions, so the propagandists gin up this "No plane" theory and plant it online to give the corporate media an easy handle with which to ridicule and dismiss the whole idea of doubting the official story of 9-11. This is an old intelligence trick called "Poisoning the well", the intentional promotion of lies to blend with an embarrassing truth to discredit it. And the intensity with which the propagandists are pushing this no-plane nonsense is easily explained by the fact that they have nothing else at all with which to defend the official story. The sheer fury with which this story has been met both here at WRH andover at the radio show betrays a sense of panic within the government that the American people know 9-11 was a war-starting hoax. "No plane" is the last card they have to play. The "no-plane" propaganda is a trap set to discredit the 9-11 truth movement. Once the propagandists are able ot trick the majority of the 9-11 truth movement into going along with this nonsense (or failing that, create the public illusion that the majority of the 9-11 truth movement are going along with this nonsense), one of the confiscated videos that clearly shows the 757 slamming into the Pentagon will be made public, to discredit the entire 9-11 truth movement in one fell swoop, silencing those questions the government cannot answer. To play this trick, the "no-planers" are promote an incredibly complex conspiracy to hide a missile, while denying the possibility of an equally complex conspiracy to plant the illusion of one. Let's take an example from history which nobody here is emotionally invested in. After the John F. Kennedy Assassination, New Orleans Prosecutor Jim Garrison placed Clay Shaw (later admitted by Richard Secord to have been a CIA asset) on trial for the conspiracy. The case was going very well until a witness showed up who claimed to be able to link Oswald directly to Shaw. Once on the stand, however, the witness started blabbing about how he fingerprinted his own daughter every night to prevent "them" from replacing her with a duplicate. Although not shown in the Oliver Stone film, "JFK", it was this one planted witness that "poisoned the well" of Garrison's case, resulting in Clay Shaw's acquittal. During the House Select Committee on Assassinations, a bogus story was planted that the open umbrella seen along the Kennedy motorcade route just prior to the assassination was a dart gun, used to paralyze the President to hold him steady for the head shot. The actual umbrella was produced and shown to be just a normal umbrella while the committee members rolled their eyes and chuckled indulgently at how silly people who doubted the Warren Report were. (Later, acoustical data proved there had indeed been at least two shooters ion Dealey Plaza and the HSCA was forced to conclude there had been a conspiracy.) In the 1990s, around the time of Ruby Ridge and WACO, the Congress was forced to hold public hearings on the abuses of the BATF, hearings which were notable for one witness showing up wearing full camo, and demanding the government declassify its secret tornado making machine. That provided the sound byte the media used to make anyone who stood up to the BATF look like a nutcase. The "witness" was later outed as an FBI informant. Another example of "poisoning the well" is in the Killian documents, which documented George Bush's machinations to avoid the Vietnam draft by joining the Texas Air National Guard. Five of the documents were authentic, but the sixth was an obvious forgery planted on CBS in order to cast doubt on the authenticity of the others. Ever since this "no-plane" theory has been planted on the 9-11 truth movement, the corporate media inevitably seizes on it as a means to ridicule those who do not accept the official story of 9-11. One obvious example is the March 2005 issue of Popular Mechanics, which used the "no-plane" theory to summarily dismiss any and all doubters of the official story as a munch of nuts that all correct-thinking loyal Americans should ever listen to. Which is what the no-plane hoax is intended to do. I will sign off this discussion by reminding you all once more that while the US Government will not hesitate to lie, cheat, steal, and hoax you, they never do it without a good reason. As I stated before, there is no reason for the government to substitute a missile for the crashing plane at the Pentagon. But there is plenty of reason for the US Government to trick you into thinking that they did! Lately, in their efforts to plant more bogus information on the web for the media to use to ridicule doubters of the official story, the shills have used over-processed and blurry photos of the 9-11 planes to claim that they carried "pods" on the outside (which the ground crews at all the airports somehow never noticed). For that reason, the government shills have come to be known as the 9-11 "Pod People". So where is the rest of the wreckage from the passenger plane? Right in plain view, for those who actually look. In similar crashes, the resulting debris was in small pieces, 6 feet long at most. You don't SEE huge pieces of airplane sitting at crash sites in head on collisions such as slamming into the wall of the Pentagon. Despite their impressive size, aircraft and relatively fragile objects due to weight considerations. THE WRECKAGE OF THE 757 PHOTOGRAPHED AT THE PENTAGON The claim by the "no-planers" that there is no identifiable wreckage of a 757 at the Pentagon is contradicted by the photographic evidence. THE POD PEOPLE'S CARTOON WORLD Only in Warner Brothers cartoons does the Coyote leave a cookie-cutter outline of himself as he crashes into the rock face. In the real world (someplace that the "pod people" need to spend more time in) collisions are more complex. Airplanes do not make clean outline holes in buildings they collide with any more than cars make clean outline holes in walls they collide with. The Pentagon, built mostly of wood and concrete, and in that one section having been recently reinforced, is a heavy and solid object. Jet aircraft, designed to be able to fly, are very thin and lightweight. They are, if you think about it, mostly filled with air, like an aluminum balloon. They are not designed to penetrate other objects or to remain intact while doing so. Take a glass Christmas ornament and hurl it against a brick wall. Do you get a round opening in the brick wall the size of the ornament? No, of course not. Neither will an aluminum plane leave a clean outline of itself crashing into concrete. In the case of the plane, there are subassemblies which are heavy and solid, such as the engines, the frames supporting the landing gear, cockpit avionics, the potable water tanks, APU, etc. On impact, these would break loose from the aircraft and continuing forward, produce smaller holes. But the fuselage would crumple like aluminum foil. As the "Pod People" use the same tactics, they reveal who they really are. A demonstration of a passenger jet flying low and fast: "I saw it crash into the building," he said. "My only memories really were that it looked like a plane coming in for a landing. I mean in the sense that it was controlled and sort of straight. That was my impression," he said. [mdw.army.mil] ----------------- Stills from CCTV video released on May 16, 2006 Click image for full size. "The plane atomized with the impact, it just disappeared into dust - only the tips of the wings escaped total destruction. But the wall, designed to move and absorb energy, did its job well." The wall in this test was considerably stronger than the Pentagon wall and suffered little damage. However, that damage was found to be primarily from the engines of the F-4, whereas the rest of the airframe shattered on impact without damaging the wall at all. This test proves that the Pentagon damage would come not from the aircraft as a whole, but from the heavy and dense components such as the engines, landing gear blocks, avionics, potable water bottles, etc. PICTURES OF THE PENTAGON IMPACT AREA BEFORE THE COLLAPSE. Eyewitness Account of Flight 77's Pentagon Impact Extract from Why the No-757 Crowd is Making an Ass out of Itself: If you want to read all the individual quotes you can start here.
Mike Rivero added this article to his twitter feed 20-mins ago. I have no idea how old it is or why he chose to post it today.
Without touching upon the myriad number of fallacies in the post, and concentrating on simply this one claim, the plane is CERTAINLY low, but it is also CERTAINLY NOT going "fast". It's at landing speed, not cruising speed, and nowhere close to the speed alleged for the aircraft which struck the Pentagon. Because obviously they didn't wire the explosives to do so. Do you think that somehow "proves" something? Hijacking certainly does occur, but not the way it occured on 9/11. For instance, hijackers typically (in fact ALWAYS) force the pilot(s) to fly the aircraft to the desired destination. Heavy multi-engine aircraft can not be easily flown by individuals who could barely fly a single engine propeller driven plane, if at all. Isn't that why they went to flight school?
Why not? I'm curious - why do you want to believe the government did it?
Why did they *wire* WTC to fall straight down (even though they did not, in fact, fall straight down)? --Are you a *Jew*?
Extract from Why the No-757 Crowd is Making an Ass out of Itself: The amount of eye witnesses who reported seeing a plane and described it with words like: 'airliner', 'big', 'silver', 'roaring', etc.*** at least 45 The amount of eye witnesses who specifically said they saw an American Airlines jet. In all cases there's no indication the witnesses were talking about a small jet. at least 25 The amount of witnesses who reported the noise of the plane was very loud to deafening. at least 22 The amount of eye witnesses who stated they saw a plane running down light poles when crossing the the highways. at least 19 The amount of eye witnesses who stated they saw and heard the plane went full throttle only at the last seconds. at least 12 There were so many people that saw the aircraft, the government stopped using their accounts because they all corroborated each other. They saw what they saw.
It's not a matter of what I want or don't want, it's a matter of looking over the available evidence and seeing the facts with a clear set of eyes. If I had more time, which I don't have at the moment, I could provide an essay as to the set of facts which prove the perps included highly placed US government officials, along with domestic and foreign intelligence assets, and certainly US military involvement. Perhaps if you truly cared about the matter you'd find all the relevent facts and evidence yourself. It's been almost 14 years since the event occured, certainly if you wanted to find the truth you would have done so by now. Uh, yes they DID fall straight down. In other words, the damaged top portions of the WTC towers did not simply slide off the building as it WOULD have if it were truly a collapse due to weakened sections of the towers failing to support the weight of the upper structure. All three buildings dropped straight into their own footprints, a physical impossibility without the help of controlled demolitions. To deny that fact indicates you have no notion of what direction down or sideways truly are. As far as to WHY they were wired that way, it was to prevent catastrophic destruction to adjacent buildings, and to ensure ALL of the important physical evidence was thoroughly destroyed. Which they flunked. The Pentagon "pilot", Hani Hanjour, could NOT even rent a Cessna due to failing the flight evalulation test. The flight instructor who went along with him on the evalulation flight before he rented the plane said he "could not fly at all". As far as the flight similuator school, he was told he was wasting his money, and he would not have passed if he had continued to attend. hi lucys mom. aerodynamiclly speaking , do you know what wake vortex is?
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When metal is heated, it loses strength. (I used to love to watch the horseshoer work when I was a kid) Other than what happened on 9/11, show where in history any other skyscraper has come crashing down due to fire. And BTW, the jet fuel burnt out after the first 10 minutes. The remaining fires were simple office fires consisting of furniture, paper, and other low temperature fuel items. They saw what they saw. Michael Rivero agrees.
Uh...no...the top of the South tower tilted and landed squarely on the north face of the Banker's Trust Building and took a huge assed scoop put of it. The North Tower fell west and north and damaged 1 WFC, Verizon and, of course, WTC7. What you *believe* here is 100% false. --Are you a *Jew*?
So then, you're saying the remainder of the buildings did not collapse and are still there? Of course they're not there, and they did NOT lean to any side and topple over, contrary to your spin doctor tactics and comments. Rivero's point is that "no-planers" are "poisoning the well". He's wrong on what he claims concerning the aircraft that hit the Pentagon. If it had been a 757 we would have seen videos of it happening over, and over, and over, and over... That and it would have dove from the sky and hit downwards, it would NOT have flown in at ground level going 500 mph or so without so much as kissing the grass of the Pentagon lawn. Well the question probably doesn't apply to most people because most people on facebook already use their name, which makes this issue irrelevant. If someone users a monicker or pseudonym facebook apparently has an automated program which detects it and then they demand your real name. From what I've seen most folks use their real name but in political or activist circles many use monickers. I've got the screenshots of all these demands but I'm sure my descirption suffices. Not a big deal since they deemed my site "dangerous" anyway and forbid links to it. "Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
I'm not sure why he chose today to tweet this out, but as you can see he's concerned about the story being hijacked (pun intended).
None of the WTC skyscrapers fell due to *fire*. They fell because some sort of massive impact had compromised their structural integrity. It wasn't a matter of *if*; it was a matter of *when*... And BTW, the jet fuel burnt out after the first 10 minutes. The remaining fires were simple office fires consisting of furniture, paper Another outright lie. Were you in the building? And please don't bother posting the *reports* of NYFD 20odd floors below the main impact reporting what it was like on one or two floors as being indicative of the ENTIRE building... and other low temperature fuel items. Wha...chuckle...huh? --Are you a *Jew*?
Don't know either. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I didn't say that anywhere. Of course they're not there, and they did NOT lean to any side and topple over, contrary to your spin doctor tactics and comments. I never stated that they toppled over... --Are you a *Jew*?
I use two very fake names for gaming and have never been asked. Ever. It's currently 73 *No* and 0 *Yes*... --Are you a *Jew*?
You are obviously oblivious to the fact that they were designed to withstand a direct hit from an airliner. The designer said something like, "it'd be like sticking a pencil into a net", where the immediate area of the entrance hole would be damaged but the net itself would remain intact. Another outright lie. Were you in the building? And please don't bother posting the *reports* of NYFD 20odd floors below the main impact reporting what it was like on one or two floors as being indicative of the ENTIRE building... Coming from a pathological troll who twists, distorts, and ignores any REAL facts, that's pretty much a compliment. The NIST report states that the jet fuel was spent after the first few minutes after the initial impacts. Read it yourself, troll. In other words, it was IMPOSSIBLE for the office fires to have superheated the structure itself, thus the supporting steel structure did NOT weaken or fail, and the tale of it happening that way is a certifiable LIE. https://youtu.be/9SSS0DDqfm0 You can clearly see the top part of the building falling to the left,.,, --Are you a *Jew*?
That image doesn't show the UNDAMAGED 100 or so floors BELOW it. If ONLY the top of the towers had slid off, then we would not be arguing about it.
Before the remaining 100 or so UNDAMAGED floors simply decide to behave as if they're made of pixie dust. You are obviously oblivious to the fact that it was the *webbing* of the outside of the building that was so constructed. Not the interior core. The NIST report states that the jet fuel was spent after the first few minutes after the initial impacts. Read it yourself, troll. Can you point out where I stated otherwise. Anyone who uses charcoal lto barbecue knows that *fuel* burns off. In other words, it was IMPOSSIBLE for the office fires to have superheated the structure itself, thus the supporting steel structure did NOT weaken or fail... It was not *impossible*. IN fact, it happened. At 700degrees the trusses become compromised. --Are you a *Jew*?
100 undamaged floors? The planes took out between 15 and 20 floors of 106 floor buildings essentially detaching the upper floors, which weighed TONS, from the lower floors... --Are you a *Jew*?
Ok, lets say the undamaged 75 to 90 floors below. The undamaged floors had ALWAYS supported the upper structure above them since they were built, and were designed to do so. And YOU claim the top structures basically toppled over, which they didn't, but if they HAD then there would have been NO weight above the remaining structure at all after the upper structures slid off the undamaged sections. There's absolutely no reason for the UNDAMAGED 75 to 90 floors below to act as if they weren't there. You are obviously oblivious to the fact that it was the *webbing* of the outside of the building that was so constructed. Not the interior core. Wow. You're trying to say the architects designed only the OUTSIDE of the WTC towers to withstand a direct hit from an airliner, they didn't care what happened to the structure itself? It was not *impossible*. IN fact, it happened. At 700degrees the trusses become compromised. Pure BS. The WTC years earlier had office fires raging through them that lasted for HOURS. On 9/11 the towers collapsed in LESS than an hour. AND, there's no physical way for the steel to fail due to a simple office fire, the heat is not sufficient. BTW, was yukon your mentor? You have the same tired old arguments he had made. Uh...no...the building was constructed with an outer frame to which vertical trusses were attached and then connected to an inner cement core. And YOU claim the top structures basically toppled over No I did not. I stated that they did not fall STRAIGHT DOWN...which is not only clearly shown in the video I provided but is apparent from the damage caused to the surrounding structures. --Are you a *Jew*?
“The building was designed to have a fully loaded 707 crash into it. That was the largest plane at the time. I believe that the building probably could sustain multiple impacts of jetliners because this structure is like the mosquito netting on your screen door—this intense grid—and the jet plane is just a pencil puncturing that screen netting. It really does nothing to the screen netting.” _Frank A. Demartini, on-site construction manager for the World Trade Center, January 25, 2001: --Are you a *Jew*?
Apparently you have a problem with facts and reality. The Murrah building certainly did NOT collapse, it was still standing after the bombing. It appears they selectively enforce their rules then. Happy gaming! If u ever are critical of israel or the police state on fb maybe they will revoke your very fake gaming name.
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_Frank A. Demartini, on-site construction manager for the World Trade Center, January 25, 2001: So there you go, the man said the building could withstand MULTIPLE impacts from airliners without failing. No, slim, there YOU go; he's talking about the *OUTSIDE* of the building... --Are you a *Jew*?
What's all that debris on the ground? What's the big gouge on the left side from which debris is cascading in the direction of *gravity*? --Are you a *Jew*?
You are the only person whom I have ever read state this. --Are you a *Jew*?
Are you REALLY that dumb? So you think when the man said the structure could withstand multiple impacts from airliners, he was only talking about the decorative outer sheathing? What's the big gouge on the left side from which debris is cascading in the direction of *gravity*? The structure did not collapse into its own footprint did it. And while the explosion blew an entire slice of the building outwards, the building itself was still standing afterwards. Can you point out which other part of the Twin Towers had *webbing* or *netting* like a *screen* on a screen *door*? Thanks in advance... --Are you a *Jew*?
Do you see any major debris field outside of its *footprint*? --Are you a *Jew*?
Thanks in advance... The floors were connected to a central steel core, and that is part of the "netting" design in that nothing penetrating the building such as an airliner could or would cause the entire structure to fail. Uh, yep. And remember, the blast was INWARDS, yet falling debris did in act fall outwards. The point is, the structure did NOT collapse, any damage done was caused by explosives, and the buidling itself was still standing afterwards. You're claiming that since WTC7 had some damage on one side, the ENTIRE BUILDING decided to fall down into its own footprint at free fall speed. You are afflicted with "magical thinking" in that impossible events are possible, because to view it differently would destroy your inner security and worldview. How many computers do you suppose were in WTC7? I'd hate to hazard a guess. Even if you did take them along, you would have to transport them and have a place to store them until you could dispose of them. If you did manage to erase the hard drives on all of them, there are ways to bring back what was on them, as long as the hard drives are not written over with other material. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
I'll need to watch the video later, but thanks for posting it.
I think I do.
First, please show me another building that met the following criteria and did not collapse. A challenge to conspiracy theorists: 1) Find a steel frame building at least 40 stories high 2) Which takes up a whole city block 3) And is a "Tube in a tube" design 4) Which came off its core columns at the bottom floors (Earthquake, fire, whatever - WTC 7) 5) Which was struck by another building or airliner and had structural damage as a result. 6) And weakened by fire for over 6 hours 7) And had trusses that were bolted on with two 5/8" bolts.
Are you that uninformed? Bldg. 7 was a steel framed building, buildings 1 and 2 were of the tube design. Perhaps you should take the time to read up on the facts. You can't change the laws of physics just because you don't like them, and there's no possible way a structure falls into its footprint at free fall speed without the help of controlled demolition. Given that was all he mentioned, why would I *assume* that he was discussing anything else? If you'd actually research what the *egg carton* framework was supposed to do when it came to column failure then you wouldn't be exposing yourself by saying so much while knowing so little. PS: The designers never took in to account fires and damage to the inner core. --Are you a *Jew*?
How many did they need? --Are you a *Jew*?
Then you need to post a different picture... But if that's your criteria: Debris outside of the WTC footprint: Overview: Two blocks north of WTC7 on Greenwich: FROH --Are you a *Jew*?
You've been shown that it did not fall at free fall speed. You've also been shown that it did not have merely *SOME* damage...the entire South Face was compromised... --Are you a *Jew*?
Uh...no...the *floors* were built over the trusses. Steel trusses were connected to the outerframe and the inner core. It was the failure of the trusses, caused by both the hear and the failure of the outer columns, that caused the collapse...this is why the CT theory is absolutely insane...the failure in the Towers was horizontal, not vertical...it's why you can see the tops of both of the buildings tilt over as opposed to falling straight down... WTC7 was a vertical failure... --Are you a *Jew*?
The *netting* design was the outside of the building and not the cement core. --Are you a *Jew*?
You're missing the part about the fire burning for hours uncontrolled because the building was unstable and expect to collapse. The spray-on fireproofing for structural steel elements was gypsum-based Monokote which had a two-hour fire rating for steel beams, girders and trusses, and a three-hour rating for columns.[6] Wikipedia The fire burned long past the rating period of the fire proofing. NIST determined that diesel fuel did not play an important role, nor did the structural damage from the collapse of the Twin Towers, nor did the transfer elements (trusses, girders, and cantilever overhangs). But the lack of water to fight the fire was an important factor. The fires burned out of control during the afternoon, causing floor beams near column 79 to expand and push a key girder off its seat, triggering the floors to fail around column 79 on Floors 8 to 14. With a loss of lateral support across nine floors, column 79 buckled – pulling the east penthouse and nearby columns down with it. With the buckling of these critical columns, the collapse then progressed east-to-west across the core, ultimately overloading the perimeter support, which buckled between Floors 7 and 17, causing the remaining portion of the building above to fall downward as a single unit. The fires, fueled by office contents, along with the lack of water, were the key reasons for the collapse.[7] Wikipedia Im sure I don't have to tell you that Im not a structural engineer, and I strongly suspect you are not an engineer either; that puts both of us in the position of having to rely on the expertise of others, not only for information, but also for analysis. I am still curious to know why your choose to believe the government blew up the WTC buildings.
i think that is a cop out to the 25 rules of disinformation. which is funny because lurker uses that playbook too.., i wonder what kind of debate yall are having... i just might have to get the popcorn and unclown him to enjoy the show.
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Ah, I see the little weasle is at it again. It's really curious how you drop into a 9/11 thread and attack those who present the facts, and act as if you're some master of truth and honesty. Why don't you get your act together and decide which side you're on, then either admit you're a backstabbing little shit or STFU. Again, the UNDAMAGED sections of the towers had absolutely NO reason to totally fail as they did. But keep believing the government lies if that's your thing. And you're being absolutely idiotic if you think office fires can weaken steel to the point of failure used in the construction of skyscrapers. And again, buildings don't collapse into their own footprint at free fall speeds unless they've been deliberately demolished with explosives. Go see what Architects and Engineers have to say about the matter, and stop spewing pseudoscience explanations you've picked up from government disinformation sites. And BTW, I AM an engineer. The undamaged sections didn't fail. A non-starter. --Are you a *Jew*?
Good thing that they didn't then. --Are you a *Jew*?
Oh no? So they're still standing there and there was no total collapse? Contrary to your claims, WTC 7 DID fall at free fall speed, and WTC 1 & 2 dropped at a rate VERY CLOSE to free fall speed. An actual total collapse would have taken MUCH more time. In reality, if a collapse were to have occured without the use of explosives, only the damaged upper section would have either slid off or toppled over, the remaining lower structure would have stayed intact. What kind of engineer?
Office fires like this? Also note that the ENTIRE face of exterior support columns have have been wiped ou. Also note that construction steel's load bearing ability is reduced @ 620 degrees Fahrenheit and that's before adding on the concrete slabs of the WTC's flooring... --Are you a *Jew*?
I studied electronics early in my life, then physics, then applied those fields to various software development roles.
No they didn't... --Are you a *Jew*?
Also note that construction steel's load bearing ability is reduced @ 620 degrees Fahrenheit and that's before adding on the concrete slabs of the WTC's flooring... This fire in Madrid burnt for approximately 24 hours, yet the building did not collapse. So you're full of it. Tell me war, where do you get your talking points from? --Are you a *Jew*?
www.debunking911.com/freefall.ht m You're government propaganda doesn't work here.. From above video link; If there is free fall during ANY part of the collapse, then the building is dropping through an empty void caused by explosives.
Different construction... 100's of commercial planes took off today...none of them crashed... Oh...that collapsed 2 hours in...never mind... --Are you a *Jew*?
Non Sequitur... --Are you a *Jew*?
...which has been debunked because it does not show the entire collapse... --Are you a *Jew*?
Please stay on the topic...the issue is what was damaged by the impact and then further compromised by the fires that resulted in the failure and collapse of the entire building... --Are you a *Jew*?
So why did the undamaged lower sections of the towers turn to pixie dust? What part of "if it is in FREEFALL DURING ANY PART OF THE COLLAPSE, THEN EXPLOSIVES WERE USED" do you fail to comprehend? So then you're a software engineer?
Uh, the building is still there in that image, so it has NOT collapsed. Is your understanding of the English language sort of fuzzy?
Yep, with a background in physics.
Where were the explosives planted?
The Most Outrageous 9/11 Conspiracy Theory On the morning of September 11, 2001, 19 men armed with boxcutters directed by a man on dialysis in a cave fortress halfway around the world using a satellite phone and a laptop directed the most sophisticated penetration of the most heavily-defended airspace in the world, overpowering the passengers and the military combat-trained pilots on 4 commercial aircraft before flying those planes wildly off course for over an hour without being molested by a single fighter interceptor. It was lied to by the Pentagon, the CIA, the Bush Administration and as for Bush and Cheney…well, no one knows what they told it because they testified in secret, off the record, not under oath and behind closed doors. It didn’t bother to look at who funded the attacks because that question is of “little practical significance“. Still, the 9/11 Commission did brilliantly, answering all of the questions the public had (except most of the victims’ family members’ questions) and pinned blame on all the people responsible (although no one so much as lost their job), determining the attacks were “a failure of imagination” because “I don’t think anyone could envision flying airplanes into buildings ” except the Pentagon and FEMA and NORAD and the NRO. During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
WTC7 shows the characteristics of a standard type of controlled demolition where the explosives are placed on structural members of the lower floors to initiate the collapse. WTC 1 and 2 on the other hand were wired for effect, since the world had to believe that the planes hitting the towers and the associated fires were what caused the destruction of each tower. Thus, computer timed detonations had to occur at a precise rate starting from floors immediately below the aress of impact, and sequentially fire downwards to help the upper structure gain velocity at a rate where it'd pick up enough kinetic energy to demolish floors below. Spot on. Bin Laden was never on dialysis...
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9/11 Firefighters: Bombs and Explosions in the WTC The independent commission probing the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on New York and Washington decided not to hear from the worker group that lost more lives than anyone else to the terrorists: The Fire Fighters. [Workday Minnesota] [Firefighter Louie] Cacchioli was called to testify privately [before the 9/11 Commission], but walked out on several members of the committee before they finished, feeling like he was being interrogated and cross-examined rather than simply allowed to tell the truth about what occurred in the north tower on 9/11. "My story was never mentioned in the final report [PDF download] and I felt like I was being put on trial in a court room," said Cacchioli. "I finally walked out. They were trying to twist my words and make the story fit only what they wanted to hear. All I wanted to do was tell the truth and when they wouldn't let me do that, I walked out. ... It was a disgrace to everyone, the victims and the family members who lost loved ones. I don't agree with the 9/11 Commission. The whole experience was terrible." [Arctic Beacon Edmund McNally phoned his wife Liz twice following the Tom Elliott, WTC 2 survivor: They saw only two firemen going up. They told them there had been an explosion near the 60th floor. [csmonitor] Kim White, WTC 1 survivor: "We got down as far as the 74th floor ... Then there was another explosion, so we left again by the stairwell." [People] 9/11 NBC News broadcast "Shortly after 9 o'clock ... [Albert Turi the Chief of Safety for the New York Fire Department] received word of the possibility of a secondary device, that is another bomb going off. He tried to get his men out as quickly as he could, but he said there was another explosion which took place, and then an hour after the first hit - the first crash that took place - he said there was another explosion that took place in one of the towers here, so obviously according to his theory he thinks that there were actually devices that were planted in the building. During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
Uh...no...all the hijackers are dead...whether or not some were properly identified has always been a question and one that the US government has admitted to. --Are you a *Jew*?
Until I saw the seat cushions and other debris from AA11, I was wondering if it SAMs were launched at the building...and I looked over at the Century 21 building to see if someone was firing from there...
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Most people believe that those 19 "hijackers" identified as such are the real McCoy. Since we both know that those people are NOT the real hijackers, then why continue to identify them as such? In fact, how does anyone know IF there were any REAL hijackers at all? Cell phone calls? Well those calls were impossible back in 2001 if you did any rudimentary research on the topic, starting with the very first post on this thread, as that is what the topic of the thread actually IS. Bullshit. The CIA met Bin Laden while undergoing treatment at an American Hospital last July in Dubai As early as March, 2000, 'Asia Week,' published in Hong Kong, expressed concern for bin Laden's health, describing a serious medical problem that could put his life in danger because of "a kidney infection that is propagating itself to the liver and requires specialized treatment". According to authorized sources, bin Laden had mobile dialysis equipment shipped to his hideout in Kandahar in the first part of 2000. According to our sources, bin Laden's "travels for health reasons" have taken place before. Between 1996 and 1998, bin Laden made several trips to Dubai on business Oh, BTW - he died in 2001, contrary to the fairy tale spun by the Obama administration. During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
If they thought that there were bombs then why did they not evacuate? NYFD isn't going to pull their men while there are still people in harm's way. Also, part of the CT narrative is that NYFD stayed in the building and ha reached to just below the crash site. --Are you a *Jew*?
You expect a fed.gov stooge to do actual research? So far what I have seen from that poster is just parroting the official government talking points. During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
www.washingtontimes.com/n...03-093215-2153r/?page=all
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you are hillarious. you dont know thw.sifferwnce between fascisa and supporting columns. and you speak on distrubetive laods like you think you have understanding of it .... tell me what kind of steel was used in the wtc? a re-enforced tritaniam? b vacumm tempered titatimium? c both? d non of the above. for extra credit you can explain the mesh theory of the outter support structure and how well it has proven itself in other super skyscrapers? now go calculate ______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) If you don't control your mind someone else will.
I'm not responsible for to what degree people care to inform themselves. Since we both know that those people are NOT the real hijackers, then why continue to identify them as such? When was the last time all 19 9/11 hijackers were identified beyond a doubt by a government source? --Are you a *Jew*?
Wha...huh? --Are you a *Jew*?
A mix of A36 and ASTM A 242 steel was used for the flooring support... --Are you a *Jew*?
awww forget that. lets talk about the physics. lets talk about air traffic control policies and standard procedeures at that time. lets talk about low altitube frictions and areodynamics, lets talk about crash physics, lets talk about aftermath, like how much plane fuel burned on the pentagon lawn or the melted steel excavated from the wtc rubble or that hole in the ground in shanksville.... lets touch on all that.
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what you referred to in your earlier post about "supporting columns" you were mis-indentifying the outter alluminum facisa.
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It was a surprise when Republicans, always ready to investigate everything when Clinton was president, were reluctant to investigate 9/11.
let that speak volumes to what congress rats hold in priority... more money was spent investigating a blowjob than was spent on 911.
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If explosives were placed on lower floors, why was the penthouse on top of bldg 7 the first to go?
Okay, that made me laugh!
idk but heard on pbs that the fire department was ordered to pull building seven.
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FACISA isn't a *word* let alone a *thing*.... --Are you a *Jew*?
Which means that they pulled the men from around it. Which they did. NYFD doesn't have a buildings demolition team. --Are you a *Jew*?
According to *him*, the Penthouse didn't go...in fact, it doesn't exist...look at his videos...they all start AFTER that collapsed. --Are you a *Jew*?
So? What exactly does that mean? Pull out crew? Pull the building down? (we know that didn't happen)
Fascia (architecture) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia en.m.wikipedia.org/.../Fascia_(architectur... Mobile-friendly - Fascia is an architectural term for a it is ok that you would.perfer to debate obvious spelling mistakes instead of the.substance of the.issue. we all understand how little you are working with and your desperate desire to distract from the contextual points in favor false information. ______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) If you don't control your mind someone else will.
I'm not debating anything at this point...I wanted to know WTF you were *talking* about. Now that you've clarified it, I can respond. You're wrong. The outer columns of the WTC, which is what I was actually referring to, was a support system of STEEL lattice. The designers came up with this system because the traditional method of corner columns, in a building that tall, would not be effective against the winds. BTW, *fascia* runs horizontally. The outer *skin* of the WTC was aluminum...I held a piece of it in my hands the morning of 11th September 2001...I never referred to this skin as being part of the support system...if I did or if I implied as much I *misspoke*. --Are you a *Jew*?
Here's a guy who is a building demolition expert discussing the possibility of explosives used to bring down the twin towers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj6ZtXt6W90
If you think *that* was funny then you should *hear* what the unauthorized sources had to *say*! --Are you a *Jew*?
So you think the penthouse is where the crucial failure occured? LOL!!!!!!!!! The ENTIRE building is dropping DOWN in all videos, not just the top of the building. So what does he say? And who is he, what's his background (ie. work for government, industry, ???) oh yeah? well my cousins ,uncles, brother was there that day too and he held two peices of it in his hand. then it burned his hands clean off and then the police arrested him for tamping with evidence. about five.years later he died of mesotheloma because of all.the asbestos he breathed in being so close to.ground zero.... tell me war, how much asbestos did you breath in and how much longer do you expect to live ? i mean you must be setting records for living with mesotheloma. ______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) If you don't control your mind someone else will.
I was on a Ferryboat @ Whitehall when the first Tower collapsed...could not see my hand in front of my face. No one who was with me that AM is dead. We're all record holders... I'm in the WTC Health Registry...all my ailments are documented...so far so good tho... I'm in my late 50's...everything was asbestos when I was a Kid... --Are you a *Jew*?
No, "we" DON'T "know" that. I KNOW they "pulled the building down" due to simple logic and physical laws. That's besides all the means, motive, and opportunity. That isn't what she said...she - correctly - pointed out that in a controlled demolition the top of the building would not begin to collapse before the bottom of it... --Are you a *Jew*?
so you are asking everyone here to believe.that you breathed all the abestos and concrete and aresolized steel and every other kind of hazard and that you are still here almost fifteen years later typig and jiving with us like a spry 50 year old..... yeah..... pull the other one. i think you have successfully and completely invalidated yourself. man present at wtc collapse. breaths asbestos. doesnt die from mesothemola or.display and ptsd from the event but continues to wage war on conspiracy theorists online, because.if he doesnt refute their questions about the flaws of the offical story then who will... i think that about sums it up amirite? ______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) If you don't control your mind someone else will.
Rudy Guiliani is still alive and he's older than me. Are you under the impression that EVERY first responder and every person who was there that AM at the time of the collapse is dead? Do you realize how detached from reality that belief is? Apparently not... --Are you a *Jew*?
What if they wanted to ensure that whatever was in that penthouse was thoroughly destroyed? It'd be easy enough to place a few charges directly under it (or inside it). However, the fact remains, it wasn't simply that the roof collapsed, the ENTIRE building dropped straight into its own footprint. Do you realize how detached from reality that belief is? well i cant be more disconnected than a man that claims to of been there ,breathed it all in ,and held it in his hands who then , for great justice, decided to fight the terrorists by refuting conspiracy theroists on the internet. for the.record. all.the.dogs.that did the cadaver sniffing in those days, they all.died within.a few years. not from old doggie age.either from complications of.inhaling asbestos.... no matter what your 1960s mentality maybe believe, breathing asbestos really is deteimental to the lungs and will kill a person for doing so. so you know.... if you aint sick you didnt breath it, you didnt hold it, and you just wanna lie.about it.for.reasons of self satisfaction and self entertainment.... so you have a time with that. ciao ______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) If you don't control your mind someone else will.
Putting aside the Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc nature of your *conclusion*, there was debris from WTC 2 all over the place...I came out of my building at Cortland Street and just kind of picked it up as a reaction. I remember thinking to myself as I surveyed all of the debris, which included airplane items, that these would make a dandy souvenir...then was repulsed by the idea.,..In don't even remember putting the skin down...I do remember picking it up, tho, which I did almost as soon as I came out of the revolving door... Frankly, you're talking bullshit here. according to you, thousands upon thousands of people should be dead. IN my case, if not from breathing then from picking up a two foot piece of aluminum... The fact is, we aren't... --Are you a *Jew*?
LOL!!!!!!!!! The ENTIRE building is dropping DOWN in all videos, not just the top of the building. No, I'm not saying that, Im asking a question that LOLing did not answer. Here's a link to a video showing the progression of the collapse of Building 7. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUkvnfV606w
Watch the video. As for "who is he"? He and his brother literally wrote the book on controlled demolitions, claiming to have conducted more demolitions than all other companies combined.
well of course not. people that were not there wouldnt get sick. those that did not feel the rumble as the towers fell wouldnt experience the ptsd. those that only fight the terrorists by refuting the conspiracy theorist are doing the will of the great george bush because conspirqcy theorists can never be tolerated. Merica!!! ______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) If you don't control your mind someone else will.
Can you please link me to anything that reveals that thousands and thousands of people who were in lower Manhattan on 11th September 2001 @ appx 10AM are now suffering from mesothelioma or have died form it. Thanks in advance... You never mentioned PTSD...but you may want to consider why I mentioned the WTC Health Registry... --Are you a *Jew*?
nah, it just adds faux crediblity to an otherwise unbelievable story. fight on brave cyber warroir. if you dont refute the truth then who will? ______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) If you don't control your mind someone else will.
It is too early to be looking for instances of mesothemola due to exposure on 911. "You can't really connect mesothelioma directly yet with 9/11 because of the long lag time that will be involved," Raja Flores, M.D., chief of thoracic surgery at New York's Mount Sinai Hospital, told Asbestos.com. "In 20 years, though, you'll see a bump up (in the numbers). It's common sense. Asbestos causes cancer. We've already been seeing it." No amount of asbestos exposure is safe. And while the majority of mesothelioma cases in America usually come after lengthy occupational exposure, many experts believe that exposure to such a high concentration of asbestos on 9/11 – even for one day – will cause some serious, long-range health problems for many who were there. www.asbestos.com/news/201...oma-threat-still-causing- uneasy-future-911-survivors/ As for PTSD, not everyone who has been through a traumatic event suffers from PTSD.
Last living 9/11 Ground Zero search dog returns to World Trade Center site Bretagne the golden retriever was just 2 years old when she traveled with her handler to New York after the World Trade Center attacks. Today, the 15-year-old pooch is officially retired from rescue duties, but she still works as a service dog in elementary schools, helping special needs students learn to read. BY MEG WAGNER NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Published: Thursday, September 11, 2014, 11:36 AM www.nydailynews.com/new-y...dog-returns-site-article- 1.1936151
Now you're obviously reaching.
The risk is much lower for people who do not smoke.
here i found one better than you. this last dog tbat died was one one years old at the time. www.9-1- http://1magazine.com/PPT-Porkchop... Last WTC Search Dog Has Died. Share |. We have received word that the last surviving 9/11 Search & Rescue Dog has died. Porkchop was only one year old when he heroically aided the search at ... amazing that these.dogs got trained so.fast. normal search and rescue dogs arent.ready.so young.... they must of gotten intensive.inutero training. ______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) If you don't control your mind someone else will.
Not as much as you, since the penthouse did not initiate the collapse of the entire structure from the bottom. Aren't you confusing toleration with agreement?
arent you confused about the dogs?
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Boy do you grossly over-estimate the level of *give a shit* that exists on this side of the keyboard when it comes to what some anonymous dickhead, i.e., *you*, on the internet finds believable... --Are you a *Jew*?
I'd say you are doing a pretty good job attempting to refute the truth. In fact so good, you are destroying your own credibility.
Clicked on your link and got this result: custom 404 page for magill
BTW, F4um has an autolink feature so you don't have to worry about using HTML when you finally respond to: Can you please link me to anything that reveals that thousands and thousands of people who were in lower Manhattan on 11th September 2001 @ appx 10AM are now suffering from mesothelioma or have died from it. --Are you a *Jew*?
How so?
No no no LM...NYers by the hundreds are dying the streets even as I type this...all from asbestiosis... --Are you a *Jew*?
Oh you mean the folks who picked up the WTC rubble and helped ship it off to China? The same folks who were involved with the demolition of what remained of the Murrah Building in OKC? You mean Mark Loizeaux, who flip flopped on his comments concerning what happened on the morning of 9/11? The man who is president of Controlled Demolition Inc., a company heavily dependent on government contracts? And BTW, controlled demolition techniques have been around long before either of the Loizeaux brothers were ever born. Would you at least look in to *stuff* before revealing to us what it is that you don't know about things? --Are you a *Jew*?
Yeah, you'd kinda expect the company with far and away the most experience to get government contracts.
Doesn't sound like much of a flip flop to me, but then what do I know.
She never stated that. --Are you a *Jew*?
Reminds me of a Mark Twain quote.
Perhaps they're the ones who wired the explosives to begin with... She mentioned it to deflect attention from the collapse. So I addressed her comment. It is also HIGHLY interesting that they were involved with the Murrah Building in OKC, since there is strong evidence that cutting charges were used to maximize the damage, as the ANFO bomb that McVeigh had allegedly detonated didn't have anywhere near the power needed to do the damage that actually occured. Nice to have "team players" on your side when you need something overlooked as well. only with people like you and war. so if i have no crediblity with liars then i shall rejoice in the refrain from bad company. ______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) If you don't control your mind someone else will.
Perhaps there were no explosives to begin with. Again, I am curious to know why you choose to believe the US government blew up the WTC.
oh i am far from.anonymous. but you seem mad right now. what with the vulgarities and all. ill let you play with your friends without out any further.interuption. you cyber super heros have fun playing pretend with each other. who knows maybe abraham will come over.and play with you too after awhile. im sure.ted.cruz hates conspiracy theroists as much as you and george bush. ______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) If you don't control your mind someone else will.
If there wasn't enough evidence of their involvement, there's CERTAINLY enough evidence of their role in the coverup. And there IS plenty of evidence of their involvement, foreknowledge, and logistical support. Well perhaps the Easter Bunny got mad and chewed the bottom out of WTC7 with the help of the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus. What? It is clear from the video that the Penthouse was the first to go - are we not supposed to notice that and ask why?
Quite the opposite...she mentioned it to point out that if it was a CT then the Penthouse would not have been the first thing to collapse and she is 100% correct. --Are you a *Jew*?
Well it's an interesting observation that there were additional explosives at the top floor of the building, but the fact is, the ENTIRE structure dropped at free fall speed, not just the top floor or structure on top of it. Don't kid yourself. It's a perpetual state. but you seem mad right now. All is not as it *seems*. --Are you a *Jew*?
titorite - that's unusual, is it a family name?
Chuckles...yea...in case the building fails to come down you could always claim...well...hmmm...what is it you could claim? --Are you a *Jew*?
So why did the lower floors give out all at once where the building dropped as one structure if the ADDITIONAL penthouse collapse was connected to it in any way, shape, or form? You see, it's quite apparent what the both of you are doing, and that is to pull every trick out of your bag of tricks you can conjure up, while ignoring the simple and clear questions, such as HOW A STRUCTURE CAN DROP STRAIGHT DOWN INTO ITS OWN FOOTPRINT AT FREE FALL SPEED WITHOUT EXPLOSIVES. Oh boy is that a *layup*... --Are you a *Jew*?
A) They were sure the building would come down. B) If every bit of planning failed, they could always claim it was due to "fire". C) They had people such as you on their "team" who would think of other nonsensical explanations when and if they were needed. First the penthouse collapsed, then there was a pause before the rest of the building fell. What is free fall speed?
They didn't...the video that I posted clearly shows the building begin to fall, pause and twist slightly and then continue on down... You see, it's quite apparent what the both of you are doing, and that is to pull every trick out of your bag of tricks you can conjure up, while ignoring the simple and clear questions, as to HOW A STRUCTURE CAN DROP STRAIGHT DOWN INTO ITS OWN FOOTPRINT AT FREE FALL SPEED WITHOUT EXPLOSIVES. It has been shown to you in both video and photographs that it did neither. --Are you a *Jew*?
BTW, why do you think they faked the cell phone calls? I wonder how they were so sure that people would be so dumb as to believe that was possible to use cell phones at crusising altitude back in 2001, where it's well known by engineers involved with such matters that it was impossible? Can you point to any building that he been felled via controlled demolition that was done so by placing charges on the TOP floor? B) If every bit of planning failed, they could always claim it was due to "fire". That statement makes 0 sense... C) They had people such as you on their "team" who would think of other nonsensical explanations when and if they were needed. Since when is *gravity* nonsensical? --Are you a *Jew*?
You didn't answer that question... --Are you a *Jew*?
So the building didn't fall down into it's footprint all at once, eh? Get your eyes checked. Your denial of plainly visible facts doesn't help your case. Here is it again: https://youtu.be/VYNesSmwF7I Why is it that none of the WTC7 videos you post show the penthouse collapsing? --Are you a *Jew*?
In terms of WTC7, theft of gold, destruction of CIA investigation records, SEC investigative reports on Enron and other such criminals, desire to have carte blanche to wage war whenever and whereever, huge increases in defense spending, surveilence society, erosion of rights, police state, etc., etc., etc., That's just the motives I can think of off the top of my head. You see the government is not of the people, for the people, or by the people; it's for the corporations, of the corporations, and by the corporations, many of whom are multi-national in nature. WE as a People have not had control of our own government for the past 5 decades, if not MUCH longer than that, if ever. Why is it you can't explain how WTC7 dropped straight down into its footprint at free fall speed?
Because what never happened doesn't require an explanation. You should stop and *think* about why that needed to be *explained* to you... The reason that none of your videos show the penthouse and rooftop caving down and the building twisting is because it blows the freefall speed nonsense out of the water...doing so reveals that WTC7 collapsed at 40% less than freefall speed... --Are you a *Jew*?
Why did you never respond to this post?
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You and your GF are the ones diverting attention to the penthouse, and are making a big stink about it. It's a side topic, not the primary matter. It is YOU and your side kick who are claiming the penthouse collapse has something to do with the MAIN collapse which caused the ENTIRE structure to drop at free fall speed, not I. I thought we were discussing Building 7… Are you deflecting? But since you bright it up, do you think Ted Olson had his wife, Barbara, bumped off?
Well no shit Sherlock, WTC 1 and 2 made a bit of a mess as they collapsed. So what is your point?
The Penthouse is what spikes the controlled demolition nonsense. --Are you a *Jew*?
Are you deflecting? Did you even bother reading the main topic of THIS THREAD? But since you bright it up, do you think Ted Olson had his wife, Barbara, bumped off? Don't know, but it's quite possible she's still alive. In your mind perhaps. So since a penthouse on the top floor mysteriously collapses prior to the MAIN collapse initiated on the bottom floors, that means the rest of the structure must have been wiped out by red ants or something, eh? So did WTC 7...it took a big chunk out of Fiterman Hall, the Verizon Building, 101 Barclay, 75 Park Place and the US Postoffice. I posted a pic that was taken in front of 75 Park Place and 101 Greenwich in my #209. --Are you a *Jew*?
Why is it that none of your videos show it? Because it adds seconds on to the collapse...that is why,,, --Are you a *Jew*?
So things go splat once they drop, is that supposed to be news? NONE of the WTC buildings toppled over or crumbled in pieces slowly over time, they ALL dropped into their own footprints, at or near free fall speed. You can deny that till you're blue in the face as if you're in the Blue Man Group, but it still doesn't make you right. Show what? Are you trying to say there's no recording of the WTC7 collapse? The Penthouse collapsing... --Are you a *Jew*?
That could be awkward because he's remarried.
Given that I posted one...now let me *ruminate* for a moment here... No... --Are you a *Jew*?
Or fun! Where's your sense of adventure? --Are you a *Jew*?
Actually after seeing some that do, it's obvious they set off explosives on the top floor to assist in the collapse, but ALL the floors dropped together during the MAIN event.
What it means is that your story has holes which you choose to overlook. BTW, how many buildings the size of the twin towers have been brought down by controlled demolition?
Thanks for proving my point about your videos failing to show the Penthouse collapse... FROH... --Are you a *Jew*?
Must be nice enjoying the benefits of a *flexible* reality... --Are you a *Jew*?
Rock Hudson and other closeted homosexuals married women to hide their true preferences, while they carried out their true love life with their male lovers. In Rock's case it was Jim Neighbors (GOLLLLLLEEE). Who's to say Olson didn't have a sham marriage for show, and in secret visits Barbara, perhaps after she's had plastic surgery of some type? Thanks for admitting that you are TOTALLY ignoring the MAIN collapse of WTC7, and pretending that it never happened.
Just because it's never been done before, does that mean something is impossible? If you look with your eyes open, you can in fact see the penthouse drop prior to the main collapse in the animated GIF I recently posted.
That flexible reality again. What, exactly, do you *think* I'm *pretending* never happened? Be specific please... --Are you a *Jew*?
Flat out lie. In terms of rate of drop, the time is measured in relation to distance traveled from the top corners of the building which fall together with the REST of the structure. The penthouse collapse indicates the top of the building was imploded immediately prior to the main charges on the lower floors to help weaken the structural integrity of the building, assisting in its demolition. In some circles that might be called a flip flop.
Do you shill for the 9/11 perps for fun, or for profit?
An animated GIF versus what? The video that I posted yesterday and it's taken you and entire 24 hours to admit that the collapse began earlier than you've been promoting? --Are you a *Jew*?
A dropping penthouse is not the same as a total structural failure, where the ENTIRE BUILDING DROPS, you little con man you.
I lost over 50 friends and business associates that day, sir. Trust me when I tell you I am quite confident that I am blaming the correct people. --Are you a *Jew*?
Are you actually a real human, a bot, or perhaps there's more than one of you using the same handle where you can all respond within seconds of a post?
Well if you cared anything at all about those people you would be interested in finding out who was responsible, rather than helping them get away with murder.
Yea so? Something had to happen prior to total structural failure...in the case of WTC7, it was the failure of columns in the SE corner (indicated by the Penthouse collapse) which caused a load shift (seen in the shudder of the building in the seconds after the Penthouse collapse) which then resulted in the total structural failure. --Are you a *Jew*?
I have found out. --Are you a *Jew*?
Those who are responsible died on impact.
According to your government fairy tale which is neither possible nor plausible. Unlike the two of you, I actually have some important matters to attend to, so you can scream and kick all you want, but I think the facts speak for themselves for anyone who truly seeks the truth. Have fun. It's your claim that, in 2001, it was impossible for a plane to be hijacked? But it was entirely possible and plausible for an UNKNOWN NUMBER OF people to sneak in to the World Trade Center buildings some time before 9/11 and, undiscovered, plant enough explosives, again undiscovered, to bring about their collapse. That to cover this up, several planes were diverted to unknown locations, (except for one which crash landed before reaching where it was being diverted to) and then drones were substituted which crashed in to the WTC buildings to cover up the previously planted and undiscovered explosives. --Are you a *Jew*?
Ok, one last response from me for the day. The fact that rules of physics would need to be violated, the fact that individuals who are still alive are claimed to have piloted the planes, the fact that those "pilots" couldn't even fly a Cessna yet performed impossible aerial feats such as flying at 500 mph at ground level with a 757, the fact that military assets were confused due to wargames simulating the actual (or alleged) events of that morning taking place at the same time, the fact that there was obvious Mossad and Pakistani ISI involvement in the events, the fact that the cell phone calls were impossible thus HAD to have been faked, and MANY other facts too numerous to list which disprove the "official story" exist, well, THAT'S why it's impossible for the 9/11 attacks to have occured the way it's described by the government. Now either go read up and use your head, or go have some coffee and take the rest of the day off from your government sponsored job, as I'm done here for the day. The problem with your version is the complexity. The number of people who would need to be involved, the time it would take to set up, and then bring off without a hitch. For people who believe government can't do anything right, that takes a real leap of faith.
The more that I *think* about this the more frightening it would have been for the Towers to have simply been blown up and collapsed on the spot...it would have killed tens of thousands more people and the shock would have been exponentially more than simply flying planes in at different times...
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That by itself... --Are you a *Jew*?
A building in NYC just collapsed...after being on fire for an hour... abcnews.go.com/US/wireSto...-scene-reported-building- collapse-nyc-29931754 --Are you a *Jew*?
Ok, I'll bite on this last one. There would have been a massive criminal investigation if it had happened that way, and the population wouldn't have swallowed any claims that 19 arabs did it with box cutters. That and they couldn't have created the TSA, and would have to explain how terrorists planted bombs in the Pentagon exactly in the right location to blow up the office where investigators were looking into the missing 2.3 TRILLION dollars. So sorry.
This is a serious discussion, you should be sorry!
They didn't do it with box cutters, they did it with planes.
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I doubt it...the shock would have been greater and the clamor for war would have been more so... Your scenario is simply too ludicrously incredulous to dwell anywhere near the Realm o' Actuality... --Are you a *Jew*?
No idea. But, the NYC Emergency Command Post was in that building. You KNOW they had some computers there. How many other companies? Here is a link to Wikipedia that shows the list of tenants. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
Your scenario is simply too ludicrously incredulous to dwell anywhere near the Realm o' Actuality... Your comments illustrate just how short sighted you are, and explain why you can't see any further than your nose in terms of uncovering actual truth. WHO would we have gone to war against IF they had admitted the towers were blown up? Blown up by WHO, and HOW, and WHY? Certainly there'd be an investigation, to think otherwise is ridiculous. Your simple scenario wouldn't have accomplished the attack on the Pentagon, which was worth 2.3 trillion dollars to those involved. An explosion rocked New York City's East Village neighborhood Thursday afternoon and after the blast two buildings were engulfed in flames and and at least a partial building collapse has been reported. You obviously either read the story too quickly, or were hoping I wasn't going to check the facts. It wasn't just on fire, it EXPLODED, yet only PARTIALLY collapsed. So how would that be different than what actually happened?
Do you really need to have me explain it to you? Why don't you think long and hard about it, you might be able to figure it out.
Yeah, actually I do need you to explain it to me.
I doubt that you'll take the time to watch this, but I'm posting it anyway. On January, 28th, 2015, a small private lecture was held in the Los Angeles area that featured author and investigative journalist Christopher Bollyn. The audience members were a supportive group of enlightened individuals and activists who are already familiar with the events of September 11th, 2001 and the aftermath that this deliberate PsyOp has created. Each of the Q & A sessions which are featured after every set of opening comments Bollyn makes (at his various appearances) are extremely unique and informative and give him a chance to offer greater details and historical background about the various "Cast of Conspiracy Characters" involved in the cover up. A video well worth your time. Video by SANCHEZ Truth is still truth even if no one believes it. A lie is still a lie even if everyone believes it.
City of NY has offices in several buildings in that area. City Hall is two blocks away from WTC7 The company that I worked for, despite having empty office space @ 67 Wall, had its disaster recovery in WTC2. Why would the plan to destroy the WTC complex be kept on computers of private companies? Or is NYC part of the conspiracy? Can you give me your best guestimate as to how many people were involved in this conspiracy? Do you know why the *books* in the Mafia have been closed for 11 years? --Are you a *Jew*?
The success of any plot has always been rooted in the dynamic between simplicity and complexity. The more complex the plot, the less likely it will succeed. The hundreds, nearly thousands of people, who had to be involved to pull your 9/11 scenario off, is the easiest falsification of the plot. --Are you a *Jew*?
What's this look like to you? --Are you a *Jew*?
You are ridiculous. Tell me (and others) that you really believe 19 A-Rabs with box cutters boarded commercial aircraft (without a single arab name on the manifests) took over the planes and flew them into the 9-11 targets (the Pentagon being hit an hour and a half after take-off), the buildings in New York being turned into dust and falling into their own footprint - and building 7 falling belatedly at 5:30 PM .. the others in the early morning hours. And what about those dancing Israeli Mossad agents ??? What about Condi Rice's statement that "we never thought the terrorists would use commercial aircraft as missiles when in fact there were around 15 drills taking place to prepare for exactly that scenario ??? Again - get the fuck out ! "We're all on death row, only the execution date is uncertain". Doug Scheidt 2015
https://youtu.be/VYNesSmwF7I Start watching around 11:30...pay attention to the Upper left...do you see anything that looks like an explosion? --Are you a *Jew*?
Nope. Don't believe that at all. Their names do appear on the manifests. --Are you a *Jew*?
Do you believe that the government managed to plan and implement the false flag attack on 911, with all planning and coordination that entails, but left out a a little detail like remembering to place the names of the hijackers on passenger lists? The names of the 12 men with Arabic surnames were not on a passenger list made public yesterday by American Airlines and United Air Lines, whose planes were hijacked Tuesday morning. But The Boston Globe obtained the complete list, and law enforcement sources confirmed that they were focusing on up to a dozen of the Arabic men as they piece together how the two Boston flights were hijacked. One of the suspects, Mohamed Atta, 33, is a Saudi national who trained as an airline pilot. The other two, Waleed Alshehri and Marwan Alshehri, are believed to be brothers from the United Arab Emirates, and are also trained to fly heavy commercial aircraft like the ones that were commandeered and flown into the World Trade Center towers in New York. www.911myths.com/index.php/12_Sus pects_Eyed Apparently the lists you refer to were not manifests, but were incomplete lists of victims (some names initially withheld at the request of family members) sans suspects.
A) As has been pointed out, they did not fall in to their own *footprint*... B) Why did the buildings all have to fall at the same time? C) 10AM is hardly early morning... --Are you a *Jew*?
Thank you for posting the video. I watched the first half hour, and actually agree with a lot of what he has to say. I do not believe, however, that 911 was a false flag attack.
Why would the plan to destroy the WTC complex be kept on computers of private companies? Or is NYC part of the conspiracy? I don't know if the city of new york is part of the 911 conspiracy, but an amusing sidenote is that New York City visits my website for years, including multiple times just yesterday. & my site is a 9/11 zionist conspiracy site. They also read my stuff about bill bratton the degenerate freemason regularly, along with NYPD precincts throughout the state. So poster war may not be a so called conspiracy theorist, but all the government establishments he defends apparently are. ;-) "Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Why is it that I can't just have my own beliefs? Are you folks that egocentrically myopic that only *yinz* and *yinz* alone can have *beliefs* but no one else can? --Are you a *Jew*?
You can have your own beliefs. The cow jumped over the Moon. The Moon is made of green cheese. You can believe in these things. That doesn't make you a bad person. Stupid maybe.
You are certainly entitled to believe whatever you want, and I'm sorry if I gave the impression that I thought otherwise. I just said I think its hilarious that all these government agencies read conspiracy sites. Its deliciously hilarious to me. ;+) And actually, I'm in new york city this weekend. Id invite you to lunch, but I'm here with my wife and. Not meeting political folks, although we have met several people from 4um before. "Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Agencies don't read conspiracy sites, their employees, who are human, do.
You do realize that there are individuals in these agencies and they may simply be reading from their workstations as individuals? I'm in new york city this weekend. Id invite you to lunch, but I'm here with my wife and. Not meeting political folks, although we have met several people from 4um before. Bundle up, stay dry and have fun... --Are you a *Jew*?
Most of our beliefs are based upon information that may not be accurate. As a matter of fact many times we are lied to. "We're all on death row, only the execution date is uncertain". Doug Scheidt 2015
If you bothered to check the list of tenants that I posted, you would see that a majority of the floors were occupied by Salomon Smith Barney, a stock broker. Their computers had information that would show how certain individuals profited by shorting the airline stocks of the companies that owned the planes that hit the Twin Towers. This, of course, is patently unlawful. And, I might add, a felony. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
LOL "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
war: Different construction... 100's of commercial planes took off today...none of them crashed... Non Sequitur about the planes. war: Looks like it's made mostly of concrete...where's the steel? Oh...that collapsed 2 hours in...never mind... But...but...wouldn't it have violated the Post-9/11 Laws of Physics if concrete didn't turn into pixie dust there and float off? ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
So the frig what? Stop trying to deflect away from the question. --Are you a *Jew*?
Again...so the frig what? --Are you a *Jew*?
That was the point of that response...I responded to a non-sequitur with a non-sequitur... But...but...wouldn't it have violated the Post-9/11 Laws of Physics if concrete didn't turn into pixie dust there and float off? Huh? --Are you a *Jew*?
What I believe is that it would have been to their advantage for the names to have been released to the public. They tried to tell us what seats they were in before the alleged hijacking. Apparently the lists you refer to were not manifests, but were incomplete lists of victims (some names initially withheld at the request of family members) sans suspects. My sister sent me the passenger lists printed in the Indianapolis, Star Newspaper. There were so many anomalies that it really doesn't make logical sense to worry about one or two elements. What takes a whole lot of faith to believe is that 19 cave dwellers with box cutters were able to defeat the most elaborate defenses, the most expensive intelligence, in the most highly defended place (NYC and at the Pentagon) on earth. Now that takes a monumental leap of faith in my estimation. And, later it became public that while all of America had been grounded (no air flights) 100 or more Bin Ladens were flown out of the country. I don't usually get into this subject but jet fuel is basically kerosene and it isn't capable of reaching temperatures necessary to melt steel and even if it would have on that very special day that still doesn't account for the pulverized concrete that was as fine as baby powder. Many witnesses described explosions. I think the buildings were pre-loaded with bombs of some sort. The whodunnit exactly will probably never be known, but my money wouldn't be on 19 Arabs unless they were acting as contract agents for the CIA or MOSSAD. "We're all on death row, only the execution date is uncertain". Doug Scheidt 2015
Huh? What takes a whole lot of faith to believe is that 19 cave dwellers with box cutters were able to defeat the most elaborate defenses... Cave dwellers? The only persons whom I see buying in to *myths* are you CTs... --Are you a *Jew*?
Steel wasn't melted...and the *kerosene* was an accelerant to everything around it that could burn... --Are you a *Jew*?
Kerosene (jet fuel) was spent within the first several minutes; paper, wood, and assorted office furniture doesn't burn hot enough to weaken steel. Bzzzt, sorry you lose, try again. That statement stands at strong odds with anything remotely associated to reality let alone science. --Are you a *Jew*?
Describe in detail how ANY part of what I wrote is inaccurate, rather than using the standard disinfo BS. No, slim...you made the BS statement...now would be the time to back it up...and the *small* office fires nonsense isn't going to cut it...you had floors fully engulfed in flames...people don't jump from 100 story buldings because a couple of chairs are on fire... --Are you a *Jew*?
Ok slick, I'll try to educate you; A) Because there's smoke and flames doesn't mean you have temperatures reaching anything close to that necessary to weaken steel. B) The fires were practically out prior to the collapse of both towers. One indication of such is that they were spewing BLACK smoke at that time, indicating a very low intensity smouldering fire which was starved of oxygen. C) There were people who survived who were ON the impacted floors, and those you see in the windows were unfortunate enough to be on the wrong side of the fire where they couldn't make it to the stairs. So do you get a bonus if you spin enough lies in a day's time? BTW slickster, I never said they were SMALL. I said they were OFFICE FIRES, ie. they were not chemical fires which might have reached temperatures needed to weaken steel. There was an OFFICE FIRE in one of the towers which lasted for HOURS, yet temperatures were not hot enough to weaken the steel holding the building together. What does thick black, sooty smoke mean? The fires were practically out prior to the collapse of both towers. One indication of such is that they were spewing BLACK smoke at that time, indicating a very low intensity smouldering fire which was starved of oxygen. Everything that you stated is BS. The fires were in no way nearly out. THICK black smoke is an indication of a fire that is both widespread and has plenty of fuel. There were people who survived who were ON the impacted floors, and those you see in the windows were unfortunate enough to be on the wrong side of the fire where they couldn't make it to the stairs What stairs? The stairs were gone on the *impacted* floors. --Are you a *Jew*?
The fires were in no way nearly out. THICK black smoke is an indication of a fire that is both widespread and has plenty of fuel. As far as the color of the smoke, it can mean many things, but it's not a reliable indicator of anything these days since synthetic materials produce black smoke when they burn. As far as evidence of the fires being almost out, apparently YouTube has deleted a live interview on 9/11 with a Fox reporter and a fire official who stated the fires were almost out at the South Tower. So when you have the power to erase evidence, I suppose any story you want to tell contrary to truth is believable. As far as your claim the "stairs" were "gone", people survived on floors ABOVE the impact area and escaped from the South Tower. From Wikipedia While Praimnath screamed for someone to come help him, Euro Brokers executive Brian Clark from the 84th floor and a group of his coworkers were debating in the stairwell whether to descend through the impact zone using the stairwell, which they had been told was impassable, or to climb to the roof. While Clark listened to his coworkers debating this, his attention shifted when he could hear Praimnath's faint screams for help. Clark made his way to Praimnath by using his flashlight and by following Praimnath's voice. As Clark was on his way to find Praimnath, he quickly turned back towards his coworkers and saw they had decided to climb up the stairs instead of going down. (Consequently, all of Clark's coworkers were killed.) Once Clark had found Praimnath, he could see there was a wall between them that managed to stay in place after impact. Clark instructed Praimnath that Praimnath's only option was to jump up and climb over the wall, which Praimnath didn't think he was able to do. On Praimnath's first attempt, he didn't make it and instead hit a piece of wood with a nail sticking out of it, piercing his hand in the process. Praimnath tried a couple more times to jump up and finally Clark, on the other side of the wall, was able to get his hands around Praimnath and help him get over the wall. The two men made their way to the stairwell, which Clark had already been told was blocked further down. However, Clark and Praimnath wanted to see for themselves if the stairs were really impassable. They descended down the stairs, and while there was debris in some spots, the two men were able to get through it and continue down the stairs and out of the building. (They were two of only fourteen survivors from above the impact zone to survive the day from the South Tower.) So what sort of bizzaro world do you live in war where fire is not hot enough to burn a human being, but hot enough to weaken steel to a point of structural failure?
That turns out to not be true. According to National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (also known as the "9/11 Commission") …we found no evidence that any flights of Saudi nationals, domestic or international, took place before the reopening of national airspace on the morning of September 13, 2001. To the contrary, every flight we have identified occurred after national airspace reopened.
So poster war may not be a so called conspiracy theorist, but all the government establishments he defends apparently are. ;-) ha!! Truth is still truth even if no one believes it. A lie is still a lie even if everyone believes it.
You and snopes are full of shit !
"We're all on death row, only the execution date is uncertain". Doug Scheidt 2015
Because the steel was not directly exposed to the heat of the fires nor were any supporting columns blasted out... --Are you a *Jew*?
In what bizzaro world do you live in wherein humans do not try to get away from fire that is capable of burning them...? --Are you a *Jew*?
Your offering as evidence something that you admit does not exist. The nonsense that the *fires* were nearly *out* is based upon the reports of two fireman who reached floors well below the impact zone and reported that there were *small;* fires there. I know what my own eyes saw and what plenty of video evidence that ACTUALLY exists on Youtube and that's the fact that fires in both buildings were raging out of control. --Are you a *Jew*?
'"It was like fighting a blow torch" according to Captain Harold Kull of Engine Co. 6..." --Are you a *Jew*?
Bzzzt, sorry you lose, try again. I hadn't seen "war's" comment regarding the jet fuel because I bozo'd the idiot ! It seems the shills are marching into 4UM from somewhere all of a sudden. I don't mind entertaining an idea at variance with my own unless it's ridiculous. These characters, lucysmom and war seem to be conjoined twins from zio-nazi-ville. "We're all on death row, only the execution date is uncertain". Doug Scheidt 2015
81st floor was at the bottom of the impact zone...
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Who can argue against logic like that?
That's what he was counting upon...
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Not all of a sudden, I've been a member for years.
Do you just make this stuff up off the top of your head, hoping that nobody with a functional brain will question it? The South Tower impact damage ranged from the 78th to the 84th floor. From USA Today So obviously there was NO raging fire hot enough to weaken steel if people were able to escape through the stairwell from above the impact zone. Why can't you simply admit that you have no idea what you're talking about? They certainly do appear to work as a team. Hmmmmm. I guess that makes him right about something.
You're saying that the fires were so hot they could weaken steel, yet people were able to walk through the area of those alleged raging fires without getting burnt. So you're trying to say that humans are more resistant to heat than hardened structural steel, eh? The evidence DID in fact exist until your team destroyed it, ie. YouTube was forced (by government or corporate pressure) to delete the video from its site. No they weren't. --Are you a *Jew*?
Right along with the missing LBJ six shooter to Kennedy's head footage... --Are you a *Jew*?
At 8.46am and 26 seconds it hit the building, and the tip of the wing hit the offices about 70ft above him. The impact of the Boeing 767 ripped a path across floors 94 to 98, shredding steel columns, crushing filing-cabinets and computer- laden desks and ripping out bundles of cables. The plane's 10,000 gallons of fuel incinerated everything in its path as the fireball ignited. Dozens were killed instantly. ~~~~~ From the 91st floor upwards, it is believed no one got out alive, even though as many as 1,100 may have survived the initial crash. Either they would have been burned or smothered by smoke as the inferno swept through the building, or they would have been forced by the unbearable heat to jump, or else perished as the tower collapsed. ~~~~ Mr. Nicholls had spent several minutes search for the stairwell, which he still could not find. He was not sure what to do. "These two guys came over. They were trying to figure out, because the fire was getting so badWe knew we had to get out of there." "The fire was not too far from us. We were watching it burn. It was decided between these two guys, one of them said, `Lets go back over to the other side where they came from.' He thought that might be the best way to get down." The other guy said "No, I don't think so, I think there is a stairway over here. At this point it was getting very smoky." --Are you a *Jew*?
Hey genius, do you know the difference between North and South? I was referrring to the South Tower, and you are playing as if you don't know that by posting news clips about the North Tower. Are you REALLY that dumb? So you're saying that the survivors who escaped from above the South Tower impact zone are liars, and they weren't really there? So, the North Tower fell on its own but the South Tower was controlled demolition. Got it. --Are you a *Jew*?
Where did any of them claim to walk through fire? --Are you a *Jew*?
There were a multitude of web sites which linked and/or embedded the video, but when attempting to view it a message is displayed saying that the video no longer exists. It's becoming more and more obvious that you have no interest in what truly happened, it's your mission in life to obscure the truth and ridicule those who do in fact see things for what they truly are. If they travelled down the stairs THROUGH the area you claim was engulfed in a raging fire, then it's obvious that there WAS no raging fire there. Are you too dense to understand that? Can you point out that post, please? Thanks. --Are you a *Jew*?
Link me to some of those websites, please. Thanks. --Are you a *Jew*?
Er, no. I'm not going to play your game of confusing one set of facts in terms of survivors from the SOUTH TOWER with your cherry picked tales about the North Tower. I'm simply addressing your ridiculous claims about how office fires which burnt for less than an hour were capable of heating steel to the point of structural failure. NO object, I don't care WHAT it is, will travel through the path of MOST resistance, nor will it fall through ANY path which has mass in its way, at free fall speed or anything close to it. But to simple minds such as yours, that believes in the impossible because the government said so, well, I guess there's just no hope in you ever seeing things for what they are. Unless you're just pretending to be dumb of course. Because if you WERE intelligent enough to know better, then that would mean you are actively participating in a criminal enterprise which murdered 3000 people, plus a LOT more if you count the bogus wars that killed over a million innocent people. Well here's one. Just search for "WYNW (FOX) Reporter Confirms The Fires In The South Tower Were Almost Out", you'll find a bunch more. 9/11/01: WYNW (FOX) Reporter Confirms The Fires In The South Tower Were Almost Out Definition of INSANITY: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different 'result'.
Already did, twice. You claim that the impacted floors were engulfed in a raging inferno, yet people were able to travel down the stairwell THROUGH those impacted floors, so there was obviously no raging inferno engulfing those floors. Just cementing the fact that war is not here in search of truth. He's here to discredit those who are, and to spread disinformation. Sort of what BAC (and cohorts) used to do back on ElPee. You *think* it's impossible that planes were hijacked at knifepoint and then flown in to buildings and that the initial impact and explosion caused significant damage...you further believe that it is impossible for the significant amount of materials in those offices to catch fire in any significant way. Instead, you believe that it's possible that an unknown number of personal *snuck* in to three WTC buildings and planted devices that were capable of not causing the buildings to collapse...and to cover this up...4 airliners were somehow, you don't know how, commandeered, flown to a remote location and the passengers...well...you don't know what happened to them...meanwhile...real time conversations between the planes and people and places on the ground were simulated as soon as those flights were commandeered...those planes were then replaced by mockups and flown in to three buildings while one augured in, for some unexplained reason, near Somerset, PA...after they were flown in to the buildings and the numerous accounts, both eyewitness and video, of fires raging, are nothing more than disinformation...and that at some specified times...one of those over 6 hours later...the buildings were blown up... All of that is entirely possible... Did I leave out anything? --Are you a *Jew*?
You *think* it's impossible that planes were hijacked at knifepoint and then flown in to buildings and that the initial impact and explosion caused significant damage...you further believe that it is impossible for the significant amount of materials in those offices to catch fire in any significant way. I KNOW it is impossible for structural steel to weaken to the point of failure due to low grade office fires. I KNOW it is impossible for structures to fall into their own footprint at free fall speed UNLESS there are explosives involved in their demolotion. There are MANY other things which don't add up, but I don't have all day to write a 50 page essay of what is OBVIOUSLY impossible in terms of the events of 9/11. That you choose to obfuscuate the truth and dance around it, illustrates what your mission is here. Again, can you please refer me to the post where I so stated? --Are you a *Jew*?
The office fires in WTC were anything but *low* grade. So right there you fail... --Are you a *Jew*?
You've been shown several times that a) they did not fall into their own footprint and b) that the speed was not free fall...and if there were explosives involved how is it that columns remained standing? --Are you a *Jew*?
You can stomp your feet as often and as hard as you'd like, but that doesn't change the facts. The towers AND Building 7 FELL STRAIGHT DOWN INTO THEIR OWN FOOTPRINTS. The towers fell at ALMOST free fall speed, and Building 7 DID fall at free fall speed. A matter of a fraction of a second, or even several seconds, does not make it untrue. If the collapse took hours, days, or weeks, then that'd be more akin to a structural failure. For skyscrapers to come straight down completely in a matter of seconds (ESPECIALLY at a rate at or near freefall), that's controlled demolition. So they were so "hot" to weaken steel, but not so "hot" to burn human flesh. Ok Skippie. Ok, so where exactly WAS this raging inferno you speak of if it WASN'T within the impacted floors of the South Tower? You have made absolutely no proffer that people were not burned...and, in fact, I've shown that people were, in fact, burned. --Are you a *Jew*?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2aUkKWg0J0 South Tower fires video start around 7:30 --Are you a *Jew*?
I'm not the one stomping my feet. None of the buildings fell at free fall speed and as soon as you acknowledged that the Penthouse collapse actually occurred then you know this as well... --Are you a *Jew*?
The penthouse (Penthouse is a magazine, did you know that you don't capitalize words unless they're proper nouns or at the beginning of a sentence), BEGAN to collapse prior to the MAIN collapse. THAT indicates there was structural failure below the penthouse PRIOR to the bottom of the structure TOTALLY failing causing the ENTIRE building to drop as one at free fall speed. You can continue to deny the fact that both towers AND Building 7 dropped into their own footprints at or near free fall speed, yet that doesn't make it true. You could also insist that the Earth has 5 moons of identical size which support vast herds of goats on each one, but that doesn't make that true either. The people who escaped from the South Tower floors which were ABOVE the impact area made it through the area safely. So apparently there were no fires there which could have weakened steel. Do you not understand that simple fact? Thank you, Mr, Obvious. What it also indicated, is that the collapse took seconds longer than free fall speed. --Are you a *Jew*?
The few who did were situated, uniquely, near Staircase A... That is why you were asked, "what staircase?" --Are you a *Jew*?
BTW, I'm curious if you can give me an instance of gravity working on a falling object where a) the path was not downward when b) absent any horizontal force......
--Are you a *Jew*?
I'd be curious if you can give me an instance of ANY object dropping through itself at free fall speed (or close to it). Sort of like having a stack of boxes falling straight down, where the top box breaks through all lower boxes as if they weren't even there. That'd be an example of how the towers fell. Then show me an example of a stack of boxes falling down from the bottom box collapsing into itself, with all upper boxes falling straight down into themselves once the bottom box starts to collapse. That'd be like a WTC 7 collapse. Remember, there can't be any toppling over, tumbing over, or any motion except for downwards, even though there is a solid floor underneath those boxes. But IF the fires were as hot as you claim, wouldn't you need to admit that the ENTIRE impact area would need to be too hot for humans to endure or escape unharmed? Wait a second...you are claiming people from ABOVE the impact area made it out of the South Tower? No one above 84 made it out. ABOVE the impact area would have been 86th floor and above... --Are you a *Jew*?
BS. The collapse time is measured from the time the STRUCTURE begins to drop as one, THAT is what amounts to a total structural collapse. That there was evidently SOME sort of demolition occuring on the top floor where the penthouse was situated does not mean squat in terms of how fast the top four corners of the building along with the REST of the building dropped as one. Even discounting your dishonest claims as to whether the time of collapse begins when ANY part of the building fails, or when the ENTIRE building drops uniformly, the difference is a matter of fractions of a second. It takes more than a fraction of a second to demolish 50 or so floors of a high rise building. When you put a log on a fire is the entire log immediately consumed? Would you characterize the fire as being *low level* for that reason? --Are you a *Jew*?
While we're correcting each other here, *occurring* has two r's. That said, nothing is seen when the penthouse collapses other than the penthouse collapsing... --Are you a *Jew*?
You are either mentally challenged or are seriously playing games with me here. I posted a news clip from USA today which reported survivors from several different areas within and ABOVE the South Tower impact zone, and one of those survivors were on the 91st floor. Go back and read post 436 So now you're trying to say WTC 7 is still there absent its penthouse? The person who supposedly made it down from the 91st floor did not work there...he worked on 84...he had climbed the steps and decided to stop. He waited then decided to go down the steps.
--Are you a *Jew*?
I have no idea how you could have *heard* that... --Are you a *Jew*?
May I make a suggestion? This thread is approaching 500 replies and saturating the Latest Comments page. I suspect everybody who's going to be convinced one way or the other already has been, so you might want to expend these impressive talents on other subjects. Just a suggestion! I'm excited to discover today (took me awhile) that there's tons of discussion going on here. I have strong opinions on 9/11, and forcing myself not to add my 2c in this space is my greatest 2015 achievement so far :-)
There WAS a survivor that was on the 91st floor. Are you saying that USA Today is lying?
Yes...he was on the 91st floor because he had walked up there from 84... "A few people escaped from the 78th floor down these stairs. One person went down the stairs from the 81st floor, two from the 84th floor and one from the 91st. " --Are you a *Jew*?
Good for you, Cupcake. I'm posting on some of them. --Are you a *Jew*?
Ok, so you admit that the impact zone and areas immediately above it were safe for people to walk through unharmed, correct? For years you've been smart enough to keep your pie hole shut. So why the recent outburst ??? "We're all on death row, only the execution date is uncertain". Doug Scheidt 2015
The above is an outburst, I was engaged in discussion. Why so rude?
One small part of it...not all of it...ONE stairwell...otherwise...more than barely a handful of people would have been able to escape... --Are you a *Jew*?
Anyone who was reporting that the fires in WTC7 were almost out was 100% wrong... --Are you a *Jew*?
Are you a less than intelligent human, or are you some defective webbot? The headline said SOUTH TOWER, not WTC7. Let me make this clearer for you... Anyone who was reporting that the fires in WTC ANYWHERE were almost out was 100% wrong... I posted a link to a video and told you to start somewhere in the 7 minute mark... --Are you a *Jew*?
--Are you a *Jew*?
--Are you a *Jew*?
Yep, you know more than the people who were putting out the fires. Good for you war. Continue to live in a fanatasy world, but don't fault others who see things for what they are. So what is your occupation war? You seem to have nothing more to do than post on Internet forums, taking the government side on pretty much everything you "discuss". Might you be, gasp, a government stooge? Nowhere does FDNY state that the fire in any of the towers were nearly out. So what is your occupation war? What's yours? Might you be, gasp, a government stooge? Yes...I am...BUSTED... Look out behind you...there's another... --Are you a *Jew*?
No comment on the pictures? Just like no comment on the Penthouse... --Are you a *Jew*?
They sure as hell did in that deleted video, and that is why there were so many web sites linking it, till the PTB decided to "pull it". Those pictures were taken shortly after the aircraft crashed into the towers, right? Being that you provide no link or information on the images, it's anyone's guess. As far as the penthouse (you apparently have a fixation with that magazine), I've already given you my thoughts on that. You obviously are playing the standard disinfo game, where you keep asking for info that's already been provided. Nope. Guess again? --Are you a *Jew*?
It took repeated askings for you to acknowledge that WTC7 collapse began well prior to when you claimed that it did... --Are you a *Jew*?
Regardless of when they were taken, office fires cannot and will not cause a building to collapse in less than hour. Are you unaware that the building itself was a huge heatsink, where heat would be dispersed through the building itself, and there would be no possibility of any part of the steel infrastructure heating to a point of failure? And EVEN if there were some sort of catastrophic failure of PART of the structure, the collapse would not be total and symmetrical, it would be asymmetrical, and only the damaged upper part would have fallen, ie. the top part would have toppled over or slid off and crashed into the streets below. The bombs certainly did demolish the area under the penthouse before the main charges were detonated on the lower floors, causing the ENTIRE building to DROP at a rate consistant with free fall. But sure, the penthouse was destroyed prior to the main event. Maybe office fires by themselves won't...maybe...however...office fires preceded by a) a major explosion and b) collisions of high velocity certainly did do the trick... Care to guess how many stories of WTC were engulfed in flames on 9/11? --Are you a *Jew*?
You've offered nothing that supports the notion that even a single *charge* was present in WTC7 on 11th September 2001. --Are you a *Jew*?
As Neo said the other day, this is going nowhere. You won't accept the laws of physics, you won't use common sense and reason, and you engage in circular arguments. I have more important things to do than play along with someone who really isn't here to discover what did or didn't happen on 9/11, but is here instead to waste other people's time. If I had all day long to educate you, or perhaps a full week, perhaps I could give you a one on one GoToMeeting presentation using a white board, textbook chapters on physics, mathmatical proof of assertions made, and the historical chain of events leading up to 9/11, what happened on 9/11, and what happened afterwards. Perhaps if you cared about any of that, you would have already looked up Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and found out what they have to say on the matter. Maybe you'd have looked up the NYFD recordings from that day, or looked up info on the timeline leading up to 9/11 including the negotiations between the Taliban and UNICOL concerning the proposed Tran-Afghan pipeline. Perhaps you'd do many things MOST of us here have already done, and once you'd have taken the time to do so, you'd understand what we're trying to tell you. I've gone through all this before, going round after round with shillsters such as BAC, yukon, and a wide assortment of other Internet personas over the many years I've been posting on forums starting at Freerepublic, then at LP, and finally here on 4um. No matter what amount of facts presented short of an admission from GW Bush and Dick Cheney that they personally authorized the 9/11 attacks and ordered various agencies to support those attacks, would you ever admit that the facts definitiely prove that the offical government tale on what happened that day is nothing more than an implausible and ridiculous fantasy based upon lies, more lies, and even more lies. I have REAL work to get done war, but if you ever wish to seriously discuss what happened, just give me a shout, but for now, I can't be bothered with your games. *Accept* such as what? That massive explosions and high velocity collisions with solid objects don't cause any damage and 10's of thousands of gallons of a volatile accelerant introduced, ignited, in to a fuel rich environment doesn't result in significant fires? That the effect of gravity isn't direct but circuitous? You believe all of that. So...it's not me ignoring those laws...it's you... Perhaps if you cared about any of that, you would have already looked up Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and found out what they have to say on the matter. I've read the arguments and conclusions of this very small group of people. I've also seen them rebutted by their peers in more than one place. Maybe you'd have looked up the NYFD recordings from that day Not only have I read the transcripts, I know actual FDNY who were there that day - including family members - and who were pulled from the area around WTC7 circa 230ish because there was nothing left of half of the south face of the building...none of them, not one of them, have any doubt why that building collapsed. No matter what amount of facts presented You keep thinking that you have presented facts. Here's a clue. Facts cannot be falsified. Everything that you have presented HAS BEEN falsified. --Are you a *Jew*?
You keep pretending that large stationary objects can collapse into themselves as if they're made of matchsticks, and accelerate at the rate of earth's gravity with a skyscraper between them and the ground. You keep pretending that office fires can superheat structural steel to the point of failure in less than an hour, and can cause perfectly symmetrical collapses INTO the path of MOST resistance, straight through undamaged solid objects. You keep insisting that cell phones actually worked at cruising altitude for airliners back in 2001. You close your eyes to any and all facts which point towards deception on the part of the US government and its media puppets. That's just for starters. But like I said, you would argue till we both die of old age the same circular arguments, if given the opportunity. I'm not playing that game with you war. You are a liar war. And that IS a fact. You keep pretending that large stationary objects can collapse into themselves as if they're made of matchsticks, and accelerate at the rate of earth's gravity with a skyscraper between them and the ground. Nobody is claiming that and there is nothing supporting that anything like that happened during 911. You keep pretending that office fires can superheat structural steel to the point of failure in less than an hour, and can cause perfectly symmetrical collapses INTO the path of MOST resistance, straight through undamaged solid objects. Office fire? LOL okay. They did not collapse into the path of most resistance. Actual structural engineers have demonstrated the facts about their collapse. You keep insisting that cell phones actually worked at cruising altitude for airliners back in 2001. Back in the 90's, they had actual pay for use cellphones mounted on the back of the seat in front of you. I guess they could have been land line phones, but that's a pretty long cable. I can't believe anybody outside a mental institution is still arguing this garbage anymore.
Wow. The 2nd wave floats in. Nobody is claiming that and there is nothing supporting that anything like that happened during 911. Oh, so you're saying the WTC towers are still standing? Office fire? LOL okay. They did not collapse into the path of most resistance. Actual structural engineers have demonstrated the facts about their collapse. Yes, office fires. The jet fuel had burned up within the first few minutes, and most of it ended up being used up in the fireballs formed OUTSIDE the WTC towers. As far as path of most resistance, what experiences less resistance to gravity, an object sliding off an incline, an object losing its balance and toppling over through thin air, or an object resting on top of a solid object below it? Back in the 90's, they had actual pay for use cellphones mounted on the back of the seat in front of you. I guess they could have been land line phones, but that's a pretty long cable. Wrong. Those phones were discontinued prior to 9/11 on the airliners in question, and the US government has insisted (then flip/flopped) then insisted again that cell phones were used to place those calls. So educate yourself as to what is CLAIMED to have happened prior to telling people they don't know what they're talking about. I can't believe anybody outside a mental institution is still arguing this garbage anymore. So which insane asylum do YOU hail from? You are much kinder to "war" than I could be ...
"We're all on death row, only the execution date is uncertain". Doug Scheidt 2015
I remember those phones. Thanks for the laugh.
You are much kinder to "war" than I could be ... I believe you.
Why do you think steel columns were coated with fire retardant?
Every single bit of your piss-gargling nonsense has been thoroughly and completely debunked over and over. I'm not going revisit all of this nearly 14 years later. None of the buildings fell at free fall. None of the building fell into their own footprint. There is indisputable visual evidence that the building collapsed at the locations they were hit by the planes. So in your hare brained theory, either the pilots managed to hit the spots where the explosives were previously planted or there were people alive up there after the plane impact who were determined to commit a suicide act.
And there we have it! Funny, just last week I tried to persuade formerlurker not to insult abraham by jeering "take your meds" because I thought that the level of discourse here was more mature and factual than ad hominem attacks. Yet here abe himself defaults and degrades to this very behavior on 4um. Sure didn't take long! Pity, emotionalism. What a shame. I wonder if a forum of teenagers discussing topics would be much different. "Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
I'm not going to pretend crazy people are anything other than crazy. However, here is a conspiracy which can't be denied:
Well that's essentially what FL said to my suggestion, also. So each calls the other "crazy" because they have a different opinion, & personal insults are viewed as the remedy. If you say so., to each their own. I think that if you go around insulting people you're vertainly free to do so, but it won't get you any converts to your side & will only diminish any respect people had for you. What's the big deal about people disagreeing anyway? Even good friends & family may often disagree on serious matters. Its not the end of the world. That's what autonomy means. If someone wants to believe & defend the govt story on 911 14 years after the fact who cares? If they're hat invested in it maybe they need to be that way. Doesn't affect me in the least. Just as my calling the story a fraud has no bearing whatsoever on you or your life. Everyone here will probably be dead in 50 years or less anyway & when we meet our maker, will you/we be proud that we went around denigrating & insulting other people? Surely not. "Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
I didn't insult anyone in particular. I simply made a general statement about that people who continue to put credence in this nonsense. I am well aware that I will never convert those "who have woken up to the troof" of anything. I doubt I will comment anymore on these troofer threads. I can't believe anybody still is pushing this stuff.
I don't disagree with the manipulation to get America into endless war in the ME after 9/11, but I still want to know what happened to the passengers if they didn't die in the aircraft.
#2. To: christine (#0)
#3. To: Cynicom, christine (#2)
Uhhhhh...
#4. To: Obnoxicated (#3)
#5. To: Cynicom (#4)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#6. To: christine (#0)
#7. To: christine, *9-11* (#0)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#8. To: christine (#0)
#9. To: Bub (#8)
#10. To: Obnoxicated, christine (#3)
Wtg, christine. Cyni may well have stroked out on this one.
#11. To: Hmmmmm (#10)
#12. To: Katniss (#11)
how cell phones work in airliners -
#13. To: Lod (#12)
#14. To: Katniss, Lod (#13)
Keep in mind that we're also talking about 2001 technology here. While it may not seem that relevant, advances have been enormous.
#15. To: christine (#0)
#16. To: Abraham (#15)
#17. To: Abraham, Jethro Tull (#15)
Not this again...
#18. To: Cynicom (#17)
#19. To: Katniss (#13)
Keep in mind that we're also talking about 2001 technology here. While it may not seem that relevant, advances have been enormous.
#20. To: Jethro Tull (#18)
#21. To: Jethro Tull (#18)
IMO, a very simple rule should apply in this case; if you can't prove it, shut your pie hole.
#22. To: Cynicom (#20)
#23. To: christine (#0)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#24. To: Lod (#21)
Yep ~ all we know is how it did not happen.
#25. To: Jethro Tull (#24)
Frankly I think her efforts do more to damage Truth that they do to help.
#26. To: Cynicom (#25)
You mean, maybe the perps HIRED her to write the book, make a million bucks and muddy further the already murky waters.
#27. To: CynicomJethro Tull (#25)
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Now there is a conspiracy I can go for, we just have to figure out what agency to hang it on.
#28. To: Dakmar (#27)
The Boy Scouts of America!
#29. To: Jethro Tull (#28)
#30. To: Dakmar (#29)
#31. To: Cynicom (#30)
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#32. To: Cynicom (#30)
#33. To: Bub (#8)
Your role in truth and decency and patriotism is greatly appreciated.
#34. To: All (#0)
Methodical Illusion; a book, as of this writing, that is #1 on the Amazon Best Seller List for its category.
#35. To: All (#34)
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#36. To: Hmmmmm (#14)
Exactly! If you could bring a plane down with a cell phone, computer, Ipod, or radio would they really let you take them on the plane, or confiscate them like water bottles and shampoo. Cell phone call circa. 2001- 02 from cruising speed and altitude, I call bullshit.
#37. To: Dr. Henry Makow's review of Roth's book (#36)
henrymakow.com/
#38. To: All (#37)
#39. To: christine (#37)
None of the above constitutes "solving 9-11." Roth has a notion that dummy planes were flown into the Trade Center towers. I don't believe any planes crashed into the WTC or the Pentagon. The filmmakers and "eye witnesses" were CIA plants and the planes were dubbed in later. She has nothing about the complicity of the US political elite, media, CIA or military on 9-11.
#40. To: Jethro Tull (#38)
#41. To: Cynicom (#40)
Near 20,000 body parts were gathered within the Pentagon, all but 200 were identified by DNA or visual means.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#42. To: war (#39)
I'm a CIA plant?
#43. To: lucysmom (#42)
#44. To: FormerLurker (#41)
Could you please point me to ANY images of the cockpit, tail section, seats, luggage, or anything else that would be consistent with an airliner flying into a solid object?
#45. To: war (#44)
(Edited)
You do realize that your question is the answer?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#46. To: christine (#37)
The filmmakers and "eye witnesses" were CIA plants and the planes were dubbed in later. She has nothing about the complicity of the US political elite, media, CIA or military on 9-11.
#47. To: FormerLurker (#45)
Have you never seen images of real wreckage from a real crash? Can you show me where the tail is in the Pentagon "debris"?
#48. To: christine (#37)
Roth has a notion that dummy planes were flown into the Trade Center towers. I don't believe any planes crashed into the WTC or the Pentagon. The filmmakers and "eye witnesses" were CIA plants and the planes were dubbed in later.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#49. To: lucysmom (#46)
#50. To: FormerLurker (#48)
WTC attacks were drones, ie. airliners or tankers converted to appear as passenger aircraft yet were remotely controlled.
#51. To: war (#47)
Planes are made of and transport materials that essentially disintegrate on impact...
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#52. To: war (#50)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#53. To: FormerLurker (#52)
What better way to get rid of pesky evidence at the WTC than totally demolishing the evidence by way of demolition, and removal of any lingering debris to China?
#54. To: war (#53)
That was the greedheads at work as they couldn't wait to rebuild...and there was nothing left to *demolish*...
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#55. To: war (#47)
Planes are made of and transport materials that essentially disintegrate on impact...
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#56. To: FormerLurker (#54)
#57. To: war (#53)
there was nothing left to *demolish*...
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#58. To: FormerLurker (#51)
Well Google "aircraft crashes' and view the images, you can see they don't vaporize or disintegrate on impact.
#59. To: FormerLurker (#57)
If the towers had NOT collapsed, there would have been intact remains of the aircraft in each tower.
#60. To: war (#58)
(Edited)
When a solid object directly and head on impacts a solid object there's not going to be much left...
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#61. To: war (#59)
There were semi-intact remains of the aircraft outside of the towers. I saw some myself.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#62. To: FormerLurker (#60)
(Edited)
It's apparent you've never studied physics. What you said is false.
#63. To: war (#62)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#64. To: FormerLurker (#61)
Not saying there weren't, but I doubt they were taken into custody and properly analyzed, and I HIGHLY doubt any of that debris still remains under lock and key for future investigation.
#65. To: FormerLurker (#63)
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#66. To: war (#64)
Analyzed for what?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#67. To: war (#59)
There were semi-intact remains of the aircraft outside of the towers. I saw some myself.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#68. To: war (#65)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#69. To: Esso (#67)
#70. To: war (#69)
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#71. To: Esso (#67)
I guess my interest in this clusterfuck of a thread stems from me being a pilot before "Texting Woman" destroyed my life.
#72. To: war (#69)
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That's why I know the WTC7 BS is just that. They all saw the South face of the building and knew that it was going to collapse...
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#73. To: FormerLurker (#72)
#74. To: Fred Mertz (#73)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#75. To: FormerLurker, war (#72)
a total collapse across all four corners of a building resulting in a free fall as if there's nothing in the way.
#76. To: Fred Mertz (#71)
(Edited)
Tell us more.
The woman had state minimum insurance coverage. That was burnt up in the first 20 minutes before the coverage covered it.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#77. To: FormerLurker (#72)
Pure BS. A weak south face does NOT cause a total collapse across all four corners of a building resulting in a free fall as if there's nothing in the way.
#78. To: lucysmom (#77)
The building was supported primarily by its center core.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#79. To: lucysmom (#77)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#80. To: Fred Mertz (#73)
Please don't imply that war is a liar. It'll set him off like a firecracker.
#81. To: lucysmom (#80)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#82. To: FormerLurker (#79)
Remember Building 7.org
#83. To: FormerLurker (#81)
Well if he's not lying then he's delusional and simply hears voices in his head.
#84. To: lucysmom (#82)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#85. To: lucysmom (#83)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#86. To: lucysmom (#82)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#87. To: Jethro Tull (#38)
I have to ask; isn't Rebekah (the OT spelling of Rebecca) Roth a name one associates with a Jew de in lower Manhattan? Do we know anything about her CV? Her YouTube channel has the Stanford University logo in the left hand corner of the face page. Is she a graduate?
#88. To: Artisan (#87)
HERE
#89. To: Esso (#76)
#90. To: Jethro Tull (#88)
#91. To: Jethro Tull (#88)
#92. To: Artisan (#91)
#93. To: Artisan (#90)
jew deli lady
#94. To: FormerLurker (#41)
If you notice the men getting off the bus in the following video (at about the 43 sec mark), carrying large dark duffel bags, they are most likely the ones who peppered the Pentagon lawn with "debris" and "body parts".
#95. To: FormerLurker (#84)
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Oh jeez, do you think a solid building will fall into the path of MOST resistance in a symetrical manner? Even IF one side of the building was TOTALLY destroyed, there is NO POSSIBLE way for it to "fall" straightdown, ESPECIALLY at free fall speed as if there's nothing but air under it...
#96. To: FormerLurker (#86)
#97. To: Jethro Tull (#93)
#98. To: FormerLurker (#72)
Pure BS. A weak south face does NOT cause a total collapse across all four corners of a building resulting in a free fall as if there's nothing in the way.
#99. To: Artisan (#97)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=C6cZmKu2rCo#t=2340
#100. To: Lod (#94)
First responders do not arrive with loaded bags. Period.
#101. To: BTP Holdings (#75)
This was done to destroy the computer hard drives that contained evidence that would show the true perpetrators of 9-11.
#102. To: Artisan (#91)
Facebook disabled my account after they kept asking for my phone # and real name and I ignored it.
#103. To: lucysmom (#95)
Here's another video:
#104. To: war (#103)
#105. To: Neo TryingtoWarnYou (#104)
One of the *tricks* of the 'agent provocateurs' is to make fun of logical thinking people.
#106. To: FormerLurker (#84)
#107. To: war (#102)
#108. To: war (#106)
Can you tell me where the tail section of the flight that just crashed in to the mountain is?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#109. To: FormerLurker (#108)
Has anyone published wide area images of the crash site, or are you just blowing smoke out your ass to show how "smart" you are?
#110. To: Artisan (#107)
That's good. Maybe you can get away with stuff the goyim can't? :-)
#111. To: lucysmom (#95)
Here's another video:
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#112. To: war (#109)
There have been TV images of the entire crash site...yes...
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#113. To: FormerLurker (#112)
When I get a chance I'll check it out.
#114. To: war (#98)
The entire South Face was gone from the ground about half way up. And the collapse started on the east side of the building...
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#115. To: war, Lod (#100)
First responders do not arrive with loaded bags. Period.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#116. To: war (#103)
One of the *tricks* of the CTs is to try to pass off the North Face of WTC7 as *proof* that it was undamaged...
#117. To: lucysmom (#116)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#118. To: FormerLurker (#115)
#119. To: lucysmom (#116)
Heavy, thick smoke rises near 7 World Trade Center. Smoke is visible from the upper floors of the 47- story building. Firefighters using transits to determine whether there was any movement in the structure were surprised to discover that is was moving. The area was evacuated and the building collapsed later in the afternoon of Sept. 11."
#120. To: FormerLurker (#117)
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#121. To: Abraham (#118)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#122. To: FormerLurker (#117)
Why would ANY structure fall straight down at free fall speed as if there's nothing under it?
#123. To: war (#120)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#124. To: FormerLurker (#121)
Now please tell me what a team of suited individuals would be carrying in those bags.
#125. To: Abraham (#122)
The buildings did not fall at free fall speed. This is easily demonstrated by watching the beams that were flung out which fell much faster than the actual structure.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#126. To: FormerLurker (#115)
So war, would you care to elaborate why a team of men would be carrying large duffel bags filled to capacity as they approach the Pentagon lawn on 9/11?
#127. To: FormerLurker (#123)
So it's apparent that you've never watched any video of the collapse, nor the analysis of said video in terms of rate of acceleration matching that of an object in free fall.
#128. To: FormerLurker (#125)
WTC 7 did in fact fall STRAIGHT DOWNWARDS
#129. To: war (#124)
That was a medical team that was dispatched to the site.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#130. To: war (#128)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#131. To: war (#127)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#132. To: FormerLurker (#130)
#133. To: FormerLurker (#131)
#134. To: FormerLurker (#125)
WTC 7 did in fact fall STRAIGHT DOWNWARDS
#135. To: FormerLurker (#129)
If they were a medical team they would have been acting with a bit more urgency
#136. To: Abraham (#134)
#137. To: Abraham (#134)
I'm done with this nonsense. I'm going back to supporting Ted Cruz.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#138. To: war (#132)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#139. To: FormerLurker (#117)
Why would ANY structure fall straight down at free fall speed as if there's nothing under it?
#140. To: lucysmom (#139)
#141. To: FormerLurker (#138)
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#142. To: FormerLurker (#138)
And it does not matter to me one bit if you continue to live in a fantasy world where science doesn't exist and a handful of bad men with beards can overwhelm our multi-trillion dollar defense and intelligence networks with box cutters.
#143. To: FormerLurker (#138)
And it does not matter to me one bit if you continue to live in a fantasy world where science doesn't exist and a handful of bad men with beards can overwhelm our multi-trillion dollar defense and intelligence networks with box cutters.
#144. To: Fred Mertz (#140)
I think you mean farrier...
#145. To: lucysmom (#143)
The idea of crashing a hijacked plane into a building isn't even new:
#146. To: lucysmom (#83)
No, not that either
#147. To: war (#142)
And then there are the numerous, documented cases of people just not paying attention...including DumbDumb and The Big Dick...
#148. To: war (#146)
#149. To: FormerLurker (#114)
(Edited)
Uh huh. Have you ever heard of the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City? The entire side of the building was destroyed by explosives, yet the building didn't budge.
#150. To: lucysmom (#148)
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#151. To: lucysmom (#148)
#152. To: FormerLurker (#114)
#153. To: war (#151)
I didn't hear any voices either...just the sound of stuff continually falling off of the vanity in the WC...including a plugged in cell phone that somehow became unplugged and fell to the floor...
#154. To: lucysmom (#153)
#155. To: 4um (#153)
HERE
That Crashed Into the PentagonAs we run up to yet another anniversary of the 9-11 false-flag attacks, the government's controlled assets on the web are once again pushing the "no plane at the Pentagon" hoax as hard as they can, to give the corporate media an easy means to discredit those who question the official story while avoiding the really tough questions like, "Why did the BBC announce the collapse of World Trade Center 7 twenty six minutes before it actually happened?" Or, "How did President Bush's Secret Service know he was not a target sitting in that school on Florida?" In response to the question of "where is the wreckage of the plane", the answer is that much of the wreckage slid into the ground floor of the Pentagon. It slid INTO the building, into the first floor space, starting a fire in the first floor, whereupon the upper floors later collapsed down onto the remains of the aircraft. Most of the aircraft wreckage is therefore under the collapsed roof section in the photo. 
In the above copy of the wide area view, a red rectangle marks an area to be examined. This area appears below. 
The Pentagon is a building mostly made of concrete and wood. Yet here is a pile of crumpled aluminum debris, and clearly seen mixed in with it are pieces of luggage. Since the Pentagon itself does not travel, we can conclude that the luggage (and the aluminum shards mixed with them) are part of the remains of the passenger jet which hit the Pentagon. 
"Then I picked [the plane] up as it struck very low into the Pentagon. The wings folded back and it was like watching someone slam an empty aluminum can into a wall. The jet folded up like an accordion." [Mike Walter - eyewitness] The "Pod People" will no doubt scream that the above photos are fake, just as they have insisted that all the photos which show debris at the crash site are fakes, and just as they scream that the witnesses to the passenger jet at the Pentagon "have to be" wrong. But witness-smearing is the exact same tactic the government has used to silence contradictory witnesses from JFK to the shoot down of TWA 800 to the 9-11 false flag. 
MP3 recording of witness Daryl Donley MP3 recording of witness Alan Wallace 
"I was in the left hand lane with my windows closed. I did not hear anything at all until the plane was just right above our cars." [Father Stephen McGraw] estimates that the plane passed about 20 feet over his car, as he waited in the left hand lane of the road, on the side closest to the Pentagon.
"The plane clipped the top of a light pole just before it got to us, injuring a taxi driver, whose taxi was just a few feet away from my car."<< Photo showing light pole debris. Note the cab behind. Photo of damaged cab >>
A concrete wall hit by an F-4 fighter jet at 500 MPH: The above was a test where an F-4 fighter jet (fighters are built more sturdy than passenger jets in order to survive despite combat damage) was slammed into a test wall to evaluate the damage that might be caused if a jet plane was crashed into a reactor containment vessel.
In the second picture the impact area of the aircraft has been roughly outlined.
Firefighter Alan Wallace was standing outside his fire station when he looked across the nearby interstate and saw a white airplane with orange and blue trim heading almost straight at him. It slammed into the building just a couple hundred feet from him. "When I felt the fire, I hit the ground," he said. [detnews 9/11/2001] 
American Airlines Flight 77, a Boeing 757.The amount of eye witnesses who reported seeing a plane and described it with words like: 'airliner', 'big', 'silver', 'roaring', etc.*** at least 45 The amount of eye witnesses who specifically said they saw an American Airlines jet. In all cases there's no indication the witnesses were talking about a small jet. at least 25 The amount of witnesses who reported the noise of the plane was very loud to deafening. at least 22 The amount of eye witnesses who stated they saw a plane running down light poles when crossing the the highways. at least 19 The amount of eye witnesses who stated they saw and heard the plane went full throttle only at the last seconds. at least 12 The amount of eye witnesses who stated the plane had it's flaps up (not deployed). Witness 1 saw a 757, witness 2 and 4 both saw an American Airlines, witness 3 saw an American Airlines 757. No known witnesses stated the opposite. at least 4 The amount of witnesses who reported the plane was pretty quiet. (One of them acknowledged it was the shock. Another one saw it was an American Airlines jet, saw it had its gears up and saw light poles being knocked down. Others were in their cars, all windows up and the radio on) at least 4 The amount of eye witnesses who stated they saw the plane had its gear down. (Indirect, said a wheel hit a pole) at least 1 The amount of eye witnesses who stated they saw a missile. What the person thought he heard isn't relevant! 0 The amount of eye witnesses who stated they saw a military jet fighter at the time of the crash. 0 The amount of eye witnesses who stated they saw a Global Hawk at the time of the crash. 0
#156. To: All (#155)
#157. To: Jethro Tull (#155)
A demonstration of a passenger jet flying low and fast:
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#158. To: lucysmom (#152)
How come its not falling straight down?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#159. To: lucysmom (#143)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#160. To: FormerLurker (#159)
#161. To: FormerLurker (#158)
#162. To: FormerLurker (#158)
Because obviously they didn't wire the explosives to do so. Do you think that somehow "proves" something?
#163. To: Jethro Tull (#155)
ash
#164. To: lucysmom (#161)
I'm curious - why do you want to believe the government did it?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#165. To: war (#162)
Why did they *wire* WTC to fall straight down (even though they did not, in fact, fall straight down)?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#166. To: lucysmom (#160)
(Edited)
Isn't that why they went to flight school?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#167. To: lucysmom (#143)
#168. To: lucysmom (#139)
(Edited)
Apparently controlled demolition isn't the only way a building with structural damage, and then further weakened by fire can come down.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#169. To: Cynicom (#163)
There were so many people that saw the aircraft, the government stopped using their accounts because they all corroborated each other.
#170. To: FormerLurker (#165)
Uh, yes they DID fall straight down.
#171. To: war (#170)
Uh...no...the top of the South tower tilted and landed squarely on the north face of the Banker's Trust Building and took a huge assed scoop put of it. The North Tower fell west and north and damaged 1 WFC, Verizon and, of course, WTC7.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#172. To: Jethro Tull (#169)
Michael Rivero agrees.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#173. To: war (#110)
#174. To: FormerLurker (#172)
He's wrong on what he claims concerning the aircraft that hit the Pentagon.
#175. To: FormerLurker (#168)
Other than what happened on 9/11, show where in history any other skyscraper has come crashing down due to fire.
#176. To: Jethro Tull (#174)
I'm not sure why he chose today to tweet this out, but as you can see he's concerned about the story being hijacked (pun intended).
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#177. To: FormerLurker (#171)
(Edited)
So then, you're saying the remainder of the buildings did not collapse and are still there?
#178. To: Artisan (#173)
(Edited)
Well the question probably doesn't apply to most people because most people on facebook already use their name, which makes this issue irrelevant.
#179. To: war (#175)
They fell because some sort of massive impact had compromised their structural integrity. It wasn't a matter of *if*; it was a matter of *when*...
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#180. To: FormerLurker (#172)
#181. To: war (#177)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#182. To: war (#180)
You can clearly see the top part of the building falling to the left,.,,
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#183. To: FormerLurker (#179)
You are obviously oblivious to the fact that they were designed to withstand a direct hit from an airliner.
#184. To: FormerLurker (#182)
Before the remaining 100 or so UNDAMAGED floors simply decide to behave as if they're made of pixie dust.
#185. To: war (#184)
The planes took out between 15 and 20 floors of 106 floor buildings essentially detaching the upper floors, which weighed TONS, from the lower floors...
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#186. To: war (#183)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#187. To: FormerLurker (#185)
The undamaged floors had ALWAYS supported the upper structure above them since they were built, and were designed to do so.
#188. To: FormerLurker (#186)
Wow. You're trying to say the architects designed only the OUTSIDE of the WTC towers to withstand a direct hit from an airliner, they didn't care what happened to the structure itself?
#189. To: war (#149)
But the more important reason is that most of the building did collapse...not just one side of it...
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#190. To: war (#178)
#191. To: war (#188)
“The building was designed to have a fully loaded 707 crash into it. That was the largest plane at the time. I believe that the building probably could sustain multiple impacts of jetliners because this structure is like the mosquito netting on your screen door—this intense grid—and the jet plane is just a pencil puncturing that screen netting. It really does nothing to the screen netting.”
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#192. To: FormerLurker (#191)
So there you go...
#193. To: FormerLurker (#189)
#194. To: Artisan (#190)
If u ever are critical of israel or the police state on fb maybe they will revoke your very fake gaming name.
#195. To: war (#192)
No, slim, there YOU go; he's talking about the *OUTSIDE* of the building...
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#196. To: war (#193)
What's all that debris on the ground?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#197. To: FormerLurker (#195)
Are you REALLY that dumb? So you think when the man said the structure could withstand multiple impacts from airliners, he was only talking about the decorative outer sheathing?
#198. To: FormerLurker (#196)
The structure did not collapse into its own footprint did it.
#199. To: war (#197)
Can you point out which other part of the Twin Towers had *webbing* or *netting* like a *screen* on a screen *door*?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#200. To: war (#198)
Do you see any major debris field outside of its *footprint*?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#201. To: war (#101)
why wouldn't they just take the computers with them?
#202. To: FormerLurker. WAR (#200)
Ring of power_2_of_16 by Auzarmes
#203. To: Neo TryingtoWarnYou (#202)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#204. To: titorite (#167)
aerodynamiclly speaking , do you know what wake vortex is?
#205. To: FormerLurker (#168)
Other than what happened on 9/11, show where in history any other skyscraper has come crashing down due to fire.
#206. To: lucysmom (#205)
And is a "Tube in a tube" design
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#207. To: FormerLurker (#195)
Are you REALLY that dumb? So you think when the man said the structure could withstand multiple impacts from airliners, he was only talking about the decorative outer sheathing?
#208. To: BTP Holdings (#201)
How many computers do you suppose were in WTC7?
#209. To: FormerLurker (#200)
(Edited)
Uh, yep.
#210. To: FormerLurker (#200)
You're claiming that since WTC7 had some damage on one side, the ENTIRE BUILDING decided to fall down into its own footprint at free fall speed.
#211. To: FormerLurker (#199)
(Edited)
The floors were connected to a central steel core, and that is part of the "netting" design in that nothing penetrating the building such as an airliner could or would cause the entire structure to fail.
#212. To: FormerLurker (#199)
The floors were connected to a central steel core, and that is part of the "netting" design
#213. To: FormerLurker (#200)
You're claiming that since WTC7 had some damage on one side, the ENTIRE BUILDING decided to fall down into its own footprint at free fall speed.
#214. To: lucysmom (#213)
#215. To: titorite (#214)
i think that is a cop out to the 25 rules of disinformation. which is funny because lurker uses that playbook too
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#216. To: war (#211)
It was the failure of the trusses, caused by both the hear and the failure of the outer columns, that caused the collapse...
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#217. To: lucysmom (#213)
Im sure I don't have to tell you that Im not a structural engineer, and I strongly suspect you are not an engineer either; that puts both of us in the position of having to rely on the expertise of others, not only for information, but also for analysis. I am still curious to know why your choose to believe the government blew up the WTC buildings.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#218. To: FormerLurker (#216)
Again, the UNDAMAGED sections of the towers had absolutely NO reason to totally fail...
#219. To: FormerLurker (#217)
And again, buildings don't collapse into their own footprint at free fall speeds unless they've been deliberately demolished with explosives.
#220. To: war (#218)
The undamaged sections didn't fail.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#221. To: war (#219)
Good thing that they didn't then.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#222. To: FormerLurker (#217)
And BTW, I AM an engineer.
#223. To: FormerLurker (#216)
And you're being absolutely idiotic if you think office fires can weaken steel to the point of failure used in the construction of skyscrapers.
#224. To: lucysmom (#222)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#225. To: FormerLurker (#221)
Contrary to your claims, WTC 7 DID fall at free fall speed, and WTC 1 & 2 dropped at a rate VERY CLOSE to free fall speed.
#226. To: war (#223)
Also note that the ENTIRE face of exterior support columns have have been wiped ou.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#227. To: FormerLurker (#221)
#228. To: war (#225)
No they didn't...
[This is a reposting of this video which was taken down from the original site, originally posted in August 2008 just after the release of the final draft of the NIST WTC7 Report, prior to the final version which was altered to admit a 2.25 second period of freefall.] This video tracks the motion of the NW corner of Building 7 of the World Trade Center on 9/11 2001. The building was in freefall for a period of ~2.5 seconds. This means it was falling through itself for over 100 feet with zero resistance, an impossibility in any natural scenario. This period of freefall is solid evidence that explosives had to be used to bring the building down. In the final draft for public comment (August 2008) NIST denied that WTC7 fell at freefall. In the final report in Nov 2008 they reversed themselves and admitted freefall, but denied its obvious significance. ----- [The WTC7 series has elicited a number of questions from people unclear on the details of how I did the measurements, compared to how NIST did them and how the representatives of NIST described their measurements. I have therefore created a WTC7 Measurement FAQ page: http://www.911speakout.org/WTC7- Measurement-FAQ.pdf ... . I will also use this FAQ as a place of reference for other questions that arise as well.]
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#229. To: war (#227)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#230. To: FormerLurker (#226)
(Edited)
This fire in Madrid burnt for approximately 24 hours, yet the building did not collapse.
Looks like it's made mostly of concrete...where's the steel?
#231. To: FormerLurker (#229)
If there is free fall during ANY part of the collapse, then the building is dropping through an empty void caused by explosives.
#232. To: FormerLurker (#228)
From above video link;
#233. To: FormerLurker (#220)
Oh no? So they're still standing there and there was no total collapse?
#234. To: war (#233)
Please stay on the topic...the issue is what was damaged by the impact and then further compromised by the fires that resulted in the failure and collapse of the entire building...
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#235. To: war (#232)
...which has been debunked because it does not show the entire collapse...
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#236. To: FormerLurker (#224)
I studied electronics early in my life, then physics, then applied those fields to various software development roles.
#237. To: war (#230)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#238. To: lucysmom (#236)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#239. To: FormerLurker (#235)
What part of "if it is in FREEFALL DURING ANY PART OF THE COLLAPSE, THEN EXPLOSIVES WERE USED" do you fail to comprehend?
#240. To: war, Former Lurker (#233)
These 19 hijackers, devout religious fundamentalists who liked to drink alcohol, snort cocaine, and live with pink-haired strippers, managed to knock down 3 buildings with 2 planes in New York, while in Washington a pilot who couldn’t handle a single engine Cessna was able to fly a 757 in an 8,000 foot descending 270 degree corskscrew turn to come exactly level with the ground, hitting the Pentagon in the budget analyst office where DoD staffers were working on the mystery of the 2.3 trillion dollars that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld had announced “missing” from the Pentagon’s coffers in a press conference the day before, on September 10, 2001.
Luckily, the news anchors knew who did it within minutes, the pundits knew within hours, the Administration knew within the day, and the evidence literally fell into the FBI’s lap. But for some reason a bunch of crazy conspiracy theorists demanded an investigation into the greatest attack on American soil in history.
The investigation was delayed, underfunded, set up to fail, a conflict of interest and a cover up from start to finish. It was based on testimony extracted through torture, the records of which were destroyed. It failed to mention the existence of WTC7, Able Danger, Ptech, Sibel Edmonds, OBL and the CIA, and the drills of hijacked aircraft being flown into buildings that were being simulated at the precise same time that those events were actually happening.
The DIA destroyed 2.5 TB of data on Able Danger, but that’s OK because it probably wasn’t important.
The SEC destroyed their records on the investigation into the insider trading before the attacks, but that’s OK because destroying the records of the largest investigation in SEC history is just part of routine record keeping.
NIST has classified the data that they used for their model of WTC7′s collapse, but that’s OK because knowing how they made their model of that collapse would “jeopardize public safety".
The FBI has argued that all material related to their investigation of 9/11 should be kept secret from the public, but that’s OK because the FBI probably has nothing to hide.
This man never existed, nor is anything he had to say worthy of your attention, and if you say otherwise you are a paranoid conspiracy theorist and deserve to be shunned by all of humanity. Likewise him, him, him, and her. (and her and her and him).
Osama Bin Laden lived in a cave fortress in the hills of Afghanistan, but somehow got away. Then he was hiding out in Tora Bora but somehow got away. Then he lived in Abottabad for years, taunting the most comprehensive intelligence dragnet employing the most sophisticated technology in the history of the world for 10 years, releasing video after video with complete impunity (and getting younger and younger as he did so), before finally being found in a daring SEAL team raid which wasn’t recorded on video, in which he didn’t resist or use his wife as a human shield, and in which these crack special forces operatives panicked and killed this unarmed man, supposedly the best source of intelligence about those dastardly terrorists on the planet. Then they dumped his body in the ocean before telling anyone about it. Then a couple dozen of that team’s members died in a helicopter crash in Afghanistan.
This is the story of 9/11, brought to you by the media which told you the hard truths about JFK and incubator babies and mobile production facilities and the rescue of Jessica Lynch.
[....]
oh and BTW...... at least 7 of the 19 alleged "hijackers" are still alive and well...
#241. To: lucysmom (#239)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#242. To: Bill D Berger (#240)
oh and BTW...... at least 7 of the 19 alleged "hijackers" are still alive and well...
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#243. To: Bill D Berger (#240)
#244. To: FormerLurker, War, Government Fairy-tale Cultists (#216)
[WTC 2] aircraft impact. Mr McNally said in his second phone call "Liz, this was a terrorist attack. I can hear explosions below me." [NY Times]
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#245. To: FormerLurker (#242)
(Edited)
oh and BTW...... at least 7 of the 19 alleged "hijackers" are still alive and well...
#246. To: Bill D Berger (#244)
#247. To: war (#245)
Uh...no...all the hijackers are dead...whether or not some were properly identified has always been a question and one that the US government has admitted to.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#248. To: war (#243)
(Edited)
Bin Laden was never on dialysis...
#249. To: Bill D Berger (#244)
"Shortly after 9 o'clock ... [Albert Turi the Chief of Safety for the New York Fire Department] received word of the possibility of a secondary device, that is another bomb going off. He tried to get his men out as quickly as he could, but he said there was another explosion which took place, and then an hour after the first hit - the first crash that took place - he said there was another explosion that took place in one of the towers here, so obviously according to his theory he thinks that there were actually devices that were planted in the building.
#250. To: FormerLurker (#247)
Well those calls were impossible back in 2001 if you did any rudimentary research on the topic, starting with the very first post on this thread
#251. To: Bill D Berger (#248)
#252. To: war (#223)
Also note that the ENTIRE face of exterior support columns have have been wiped ou. Also note that construction steel's load bearing ability is reduced @ 620 degrees Fahrenheit and that's before adding on the concrete slabs of the WTC's flooring.
#253. To: FormerLurker (#247)
Most people believe that those 19 "hijackers" identified as such are the real McCoy.
#254. To: titorite (#252)
you are hillarious. you dont know thw.sifferwnce between fascisa and supporting columns
#255. To: titorite (#252)
...tell me what kind of steel was used in the wtc?
#256. To: war (#253)
#257. To: war (#254)
#258. To: Bill D Berger (#240)
The investigation was delayed, underfunded, set up to fail, a conflict of interest and a cover up from start to finish.
#259. To: lucysmom (#258)
#260. To: FormerLurker (#241)
WTC7 shows the characteristics of a standard type of controlled demolition where the explosives are placed on structural members of the lower floors to initiate the collapse.
#261. To: Bill D Berger (#248)
According to authorized sources, bin Laden had mobile dialysis equipment shipped to his hideout in Kandahar in the first part of 2000.
#262. To: lucysmom (#260)
#263. To: titorite (#257)
what you referred to in your earlier post about "supporting columns" you were mis-indentifying the outter alluminum facisa.
#264. To: titorite (#262)
idk but heard on pbs that the fire department was ordered to pull building seven.
#265. To: lucysmom (#260)
(Edited)
If explosives were placed on lower floors, why was the penthouse on top of bldg 7 the first to go?
#266. To: titorite (#262)
idk but heard on pbs that the fire department was ordered to pull building seven.
#267. To: war (#263)
#268. To: titorite (#267)
(Edited)
it is ok that you would perfer (sic) to debate obvious spelling mistakes
#269. To: FormerLurker (#241)
Thus, computer timed detonations had to occur at a precise rate starting from floors immediately below the aress of impact, and sequentially fire downwards to help the upper structure gain velocity at a rate where it'd pick up enough kinetic energy to demolish floors below.
#270. To: lucysmom (#261)
Okay, that made me laugh!
#271. To: lucysmom (#260)
If explosives were placed on lower floors, why was the penthouse on top of bldg 7 the first to go?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#272. To: lucysmom (#269)
Here's a guy who is a building demolition expert discussing the possibility of explosives used to bring down the twin towers.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#273. To: war (#268)
.I held a piece of it in my hands the morning of 11th September 2001...
#274. To: titorite (#273)
(Edited)
tell me war, how much asbestos did you breath in and how much longer do you expect to live ? i mean you must be setting records for living with mesotheloma.
#275. To: lucysmom (#266)
Pull the building down? (we know that didn't happen)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#276. To: FormerLurker (#271)
So you think the penthouse is where the crucial failure occured?
#277. To: war (#274)
#278. To: titorite (#277)
(Edited)
so you are asking everyone here to believe.that you breathed all the abestos and concrete and aresolized steel and every other kind of hazard and that you are still here almost fifteen years later typig and jiving with us like a spry 50 year old.....
#279. To: war (#276)
That isn't what she said...she - correctly - pointed out that in a controlled demolition the top of the building would not begin to collapse before the bottom of it...
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#280. To: war (#278)
Are you under the impression that EVERY first responder and every person who was there that AM at the time of the collapse is dead?
#281. To: titorite (#280)
(Edited)
well i cant be more disconnected than a man that claims to of been there ,breathed it all in ,and held it in his hands who then , for great justice, decided to fight the terrorists by refuting conspiracy theroists on the internet.
#282. To: FormerLurker (#271)
So you think the penthouse is where the crucial failure occured?
#283. To: FormerLurker (#272)
So what does he say? And who is he, what's his background (ie. work for government, industry, ???)
#284. To: war (#281)
(Edited)
The fact is, we aren't...
#285. To: titorite (#284)
(Edited)
well of course not. people that were not there wouldnt get sick.
#286. To: war (#285)
(Edited)
You never mentioned PTSD...but you may want to consider why I mentioned the WTC Health Registry..
#287. To: titorite (#277)
man present at wtc collapse. breaths asbestos. doesnt die from mesothemola or.display and ptsd from the event but continues to wage war on conspiracy theorists online, because.if he doesnt refute their questions about the flaws of the offical story then who will...
#288. To: titorite (#280)
for the.record. all.the.dogs.that did the cadaver sniffing in those days, they all.died within.a few years. not from old doggie age.either from complications of.inhaling asbestos....
#289. To: FormerLurker (#279)
What if they …
#290. To: titorite (#280)
no matter what your 1960s mentality maybe believe, breathing asbestos really is deteimental to the lungs and will kill a person for doing so.
#291. To: lucysmom (#288)
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#292. To: lucysmom (#289)
Now you're obviously reaching.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#293. To: titorite (#284)
those that only fight the terrorists by refuting the conspiracy theorist are doing the will of the great george bush because conspirqcy theorists can never be tolerated. Merica!!!
#294. To: lucysmom (#293)
#295. To: titorite (#286)
nah, it just adds faux crediblity to an otherwise unbelievable story. fight on brave cyber warroir. if you dont refute the truth then who will?
#296. To: titorite (#286)
nah, it just adds faux crediblity to an otherwise unbelievable story. fight on brave cyber warroir. if you dont refute the truth then who will?
#297. To: titorite (#291)
#298. To: titorite (#286)
#299. To: titorite (#294)
arent you confused about the dogs?
#300. To: lucysmom (#287)
It is too early to be looking for instances of mesothemola due to exposure on 911.
#301. To: lucysmom (#283)
He and his brother literally wrote the book on controlled demolitions, claiming to have conducted more demolitions than all other companies combined.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#302. To: titorite (#291)
amazing that these.dogs got trained so.fast. normal search and rescue dogs arent.ready.so young.... they must of (sic) gotten intensive.inutero training.
#303. To: FormerLurker (#301)
Oh you mean the folks who picked up the WTC rubble and helped ship it off to China? The same folks who were involved with the demolition of what remained of the Murrah Building in OKC?
#304. To: FormerLurker (#301)
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#305. To: FormerLurker (#292)
Not as much as you, since the penthouse did not initiate the collapse of the entire structure from the bottom.
#306. To: war (#302)
Would you at least look in to *stuff* before revealing to us what it is that you don't know about things?
#307. To: lucysmom (#303)
Yeah, you'd kinda expect the company with far and away the most experience to get government contracts.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#308. To: war (#305)
She never stated that.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#309. To: lucysmom (#303)
(Edited)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#310. To: lucysmom (#296)
In fact so good, you are destroying your own credibility.
#311. To: FormerLurker (#307)
Perhaps they're the ones who wired the explosives to begin with...
#312. To: war (#295)
some anonymous dickhead, i.e., *you*, on the internet finds believable...
#313. To: lucysmom (#311)
Again, I am curious to know why you choose to believe the US government blew up the WTC.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#314. To: lucysmom (#311)
Perhaps there were no explosives to begin with.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#315. To: FormerLurker (#308)
She mentioned it to deflect attention from the collapse. So I addressed her comment.
#316. To: FormerLurker (#308)
She mentioned it to deflect attention from the collapse.
#317. To: lucysmom (#315)
It is clear from the video that the Penthouse was the first to go - are we not supposed to notice that and ask why?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#318. To: titorite (#312)
oh i am far from.anonymous
#319. To: titorite (#312)
oh i am far from.anonymous
#320. To: FormerLurker (#317)
Well it's an interesting observation that there were additional explosives at the top floor of the building
#321. To: war (#316)
(Edited)
Quite the opposite...she mentioned it to point out that if it was a CT then the Penthouse would not have been the first thing to collapse and she is 100% correct.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#322. To: lucysmom (#319)
titorite - that's unusual, is it a family name?
#323. To: war (#320)
Chuckles...yea...in case the building fails to come down you could always claim...well...hmmm...what is it you could claim?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#324. To: FormerLurker (#317)
Well it's an interesting observation that there were additional explosives at the top floor of the building, but the fact is, the ENTIRE structure dropped at free fall speed, not just the top floor or structure on top of it.
#325. To: FormerLurker (#321)
So why did the lower floors give out all at once...
#326. To: lucysmom (#311)
Again, I am curious to know why you choose to believe the US government blew up the WTC.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#327. To: FormerLurker (#323)
A) They were sure the building would come down.
#328. To: FormerLurker (#326)
Again, I am curious to know why you choose to believe the US government blew up the WTC.
#329. To: war (#325)
They didn't...the video that I posted clearly shows the building begin to fall, pause and twist slightly and then continue on down...
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#330. To: FormerLurker (#329)
#331. To: war (#328)
You didn't answer that question...
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#332. To: war (#330)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#333. To: FormerLurker (#332)
Why is it you can't explain how WTC7 dropped straight down into its footprint at free fall speed?
#334. To: FormerLurker (#332)
#335. To: war (#327)
Can you point to any building that he been felled via controlled demolition that was done so by placing charges on the TOP floor?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#336. To: FormerLurker (#326)
BTW, why do you think they faked the cell phone calls? I wonder how they were so sure that people would be so dumb as to believe that was possible to use cell phones at crusising altitude back in 2001, where it's well known by engineers involved with such matters that it was impossible?
#337. To: war (#209)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#338. To: FormerLurker (#335)
You and your GF are the ones diverting attention to the penthouse, and are making a big stink about it. It's a side topic, not the primary matter.
#339. To: lucysmom (#336)
(Edited)
I thought we were discussing Building 7…
Methodical Illusion: The 9/11 Con Begins to Crumble — Rebekah Roth (Flight Attendant)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#340. To: war (#338)
The Penthouse is what spikes the controlled demolition nonsense.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#341. To: FormerLurker (#337)
Well no shit Sherlock, WTC 1 and 2 made a bit of a mess as they collapsed. So what is your point?
#342. To: FormerLurker (#340)
In your mind perhaps...
#343. To: war (#341)
(Edited)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#344. To: war (#342)
(Edited)
Why is it that none of your videos show it?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#345. To: FormerLurker (#344)
Show what?
#346. To: FormerLurker (#339)
Don't know, but it's quite possible she's still alive.
#347. To: All (#345)
Are you trying to say there's no recording of the WTC7 collapse?
#348. To: lucysmom (#346)
That could be awkward because he's remarried.
#349. To: war (#345)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#350. To: FormerLurker (#340)
So since a penthouse on the top floor mysteriously collapses prior to the MAIN collapse initiated on the bottom floors, that means the rest of the structure must have been wiped out by red ants or something, eh?
#351. To: FormerLurker (#344)
#352. To: FormerLurker (#349)
Actually after seeing some that do, it's obvious they set off explosives on the top floor to assist in the collapse, but ALL the floors dropped together during the MAIN event.
#353. To: lucysmom (#346)
That could be awkward because he's remarried.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#354. To: war (#351)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#355. To: lucysmom (#350)
BTW, how many buildings the size of the twin towers have been brought down by controlled demolition?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#356. To: war (#351)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#357. To: FormerLurker (#354)
Thanks for admitting that you are TOTALLY ignoring the MAIN collapse of WTC7, and pretending that it never happened.
#358. To: war (#342)
Because it adds seconds on to the collapse...that is why,,,
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#359. To: war (#352)
Must be nice enjoying the benefits of a *flexible* reality...
#360. To: war (#357)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#361. To: FormerLurker (#356)
If you look with your eyes open, you can in fact see the penthouse drop prior to the main collapse in the animated GIF I recently posted.
#362. To: war (#361)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#363. To: FormerLurker (#360)
Do you shill for the 9/11 perps for fun, or for profit?
#364. To: war (#363)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#365. To: war (#363)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#366. To: FormerLurker (#362)
A dropping penthouse is not the same as a total structural failure
#367. To: FormerLurker (#365)
Well if you cared anything at all about those people you would be interested in finding out who was responsible, rather than helping them get away with murder.
#368. To: FormerLurker (#365)
Well if you cared anything at all about those people you would be interested in finding out who was responsible, rather than helping them get away with murder.
#369. To: lucysmom (#368)
Those who are responsible died on impact.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#370. To: war, lucysmom (#367)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#371. To: FormerLurker (#369)
(Edited)
According to your government fairy tale which is neither possible nor plausible.
#372. To: war (#371)
It's your claim that, in 2001, it was impossible for a plane to be hijacked?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#373. To: FormerLurker (#370)
Unlike the two of you, I actually have some important matters to attend to, so you can scream and kick all you want, but I think the facts speak for themselves for anyone who truly seeks the truth.
#374. To: FormerLurker (#370)
#375. To: lucysmom (#373)
For people who believe government can't do anything right, that takes a real leap of faith.
#376. To: FormerLurker (#372)
#377. To: war (#374)
The more that I *think* about this the more frightening it would have been for the Towers to have simply been blown up and collapsed on the spot...it would have killed tens of thousands more people and the shock would have been exponentially more than simply flying planes in at different times...
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#378. To: lucysmom (#288)
(Edited)
#379. To: Fred Mertz (#378)
#380. To: FormerLurker (#377)
(Edited)
There would have been a massive criminal investigation if it had happened that way, and the population wouldn't have swallowed any claims that 19 arabs did it with box cutters.
#381. To: Fred Mertz (#378)
#382. To: FormerLurker (#377)
There would have been a massive criminal investigation...
#383. To: war (#208)
(Edited)
How many did they need?
#384. To: war (#382)
I doubt it...the shock would have been greater and the clamor for war would have been more so...
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#385. To: war (#376)
A building in NYC just collapsed...after being on fire for an hour...
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#386. To: FormerLurker (#384)
WHO would we have gone to war against IF they had admitted the towers were blown up? Blown up by WHO, and HOW, and WHY?
#387. To: lucysmom (#386)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#388. To: FormerLurker (#387)
Do you really need to have me explain it to you? Why don't you think long and hard about it, you might be able to figure it out.
#389. To: lucysmom (#373)
The problem with your version is the complexity. The number of people who would need to be involved, the time it would take to set up, and then bring off without a hitch.
#390. To: BTP Holdings (#383)
#391. To: FormerLurker (#384)
Your comments illustrate just how short sighted you are...
#392. To: FormerLurker (#385)
(Edited)
It wasn't just on fire, it EXPLODED...
#393. To: war (#391)
The hundreds, nearly thousands of people, who had to be involved to pull your 9/11 scenario off, is the easiest falsification of the plot.
#394. To: FormerLurker (#387)
#395. To: noone222 (#393)
(Edited)
Tell me (and others) that you really believe 19 A-Rabs with box cutters boarded commercial aircraft (without a single arab name on the manifests)
#396. To: noone222 (#393)
You are ridiculous. Tell me (and others) that you really believe 19 A-Rabs with box cutters boarded commercial aircraft (without a single arab name on the manifests) took over the planes and flew them into the 9-11 targets (the Pentagon being hit an hour and a half after take-off), the buildings in New York being turned into dust and falling into their own footprint - and building 7 falling belatedly at 5:30 PM .. the others in the early morning hours.
#397. To: noone222 (#393)
...the buildings in New York being turned into dust and falling into their own footprint - and building 7 falling belatedly at 5:30 PM .. the others in the early morning hours.
#398. To: christine (#389)
#399. To: war, btp holdings, lod, jethro tull, christine, katniss, *9-11* (#390)
City of NY has offices in several buildings in that area. City Hall is two blocks away from WTC7 The company that I worked for, despite having empty office space @ 67 Wall, had its disaster recovery in WTC2.
#400. To: Artisan (#399)
So poster war may not be a so called conspiracy theorist, but all the government establishments he defends apparently are. ;-)
#401. To: war (#400)
Why is it that I can't just have my own beliefs?
#402. To: war (#400)
Why is it that I can't just have my own beliefs?
#403. To: Artisan (#402)
I just said I think its hilarious that all these government agencies read conspiracy sites. Its deliciously hilarious to me. ;+)
#404. To: Artisan (#402)
I just said I think its hilarious that all these government agencies read conspiracy sites.
#405. To: war (#400)
Why is it that I can't just have my own beliefs?
#406. To: war (#390)
Why would the plan to destroy the WTC complex be kept on computers of private companies? Or is NYC part of the conspiracy?
#407. To: Artisan (#399)
So poster war may not be a so called conspiracy theorist, but all the government establishments he defends apparently are.
#408. To: war, FormerLurker (#230)
FormerLurker: This fire in Madrid burnt for approximately 24 hours, yet the building did not collapse.
Madrid Pic
#409. To: BTP Holdings (#406)
If you bothered to check the list of tenants that I posted, you would see that a majority of the floors were occupied by Salomon Smith Barney, a stock broker.
#410. To: BTP Holdings (#406)
Their computers had information that would show how certain individuals profited by shorting the airline stocks of the companies that owned the planes that hit the Twin Towers.
#411. To: GreyLmist (#408)
Non Sequitur about the planes.
#412. To: lucysmom (#396)
(Edited)
Do you believe that the government managed to plan and implement the false flag attack on 911, with all planning and coordination that entails, but left out a a little detail like remembering to place the names of the hijackers on passenger lists?
#413. To: noone222 (#412)
They tried to tell us what seats they were in before the alleged hijacking.
#414. To: noone222 (#412)
I don't usually get into this subject but jet fuel is basically kerosene and it isn't capable of reaching temperatures necessary to melt steel
#415. To: war, noone222 (#414)
Steel wasn't melted...and the *kerosene* was an accelerant to everything around it that could burn...
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#416. To: FormerLurker (#415)
Kerosene (jet fuel) was spent within the first several minutes; paper, wood, and assorted office furniture doesn't burn hot enough to weaken steel.
#417. To: war (#416)
That statement stands at strong odds with anything remotely associated to reality let alone science.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#418. To: FormerLurker (#417)
Describe in detail how ANY part of what I wrote is inaccurate, rather than using the standard disinfo BS.
#419. To: war (#418)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#420. To: war (#418)
and the *small* office fires nonsense isn't going to cut it
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#421. To: FormerLurker (#419)
Because there's smoke and flames doesn't mean you have temperatures reaching anything close to that necessary to weaken steel.
#422. To: war (#421)
Everything that you stated is BS.
When American Airlines Flight 11 struck the North Tower, Praimnath started to evacuate from his 81st floor office in the South Tower, but he returned when the building's security guards said the South Tower was secure, and workers should return to their offices. He did not realize, at that point, that a plane had struck the North Tower. Soon after reentering his office, he saw United Airlines Flight 175 heading directly towards him. Right before impact, he dove under his desk and exclaimed, "Lord, I can't do this! You take over!" The left wing sliced through his office and became lodged in a door twenty feet from him. [1] Praimnath was bruised and covered in debris after the crash which left him stuck and unable to escape on his own.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#423. To: war (#421)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#424. To: noone222 (#412)
And, later it became public that while all of America had been grounded (no air flights) 100 or more Bin Ladens were flown out of the country.
#425. To: Artisan (#399)
I don't know if the city of new york is part of the 911 conspiracy, but an amusing sidenote is that New York City visits my website for years, including multiple times just yesterday. & my site is a 9/11 zionist conspiracy site. They also read my stuff about bill bratton the degenerate freemason regularly, along with NYPD precincts throughout the state.
#426. To: lucysmom (#424)
#427. To: FormerLurker (#420)
There was an OFFICE FIRE in one of the towers which lasted for HOURS, yet temperatures were not hot enough to weaken the steel holding the building together.
#428. To: FormerLurker (#423)
So what sort of bizzaro world do you live in war where fire is not hot enough to burn a human being, but hot enough to weaken steel to a point of structural failure?
#429. To: FormerLurker (#423)
As far as evidence of the fires being almost out, apparently YouTube has deleted a live interview on 9/11 with a Fox reporter and a fire official who stated the fires were almost out at the South Tower.
#430. To: FormerLurker (#420)
The 1975 World Trade Center Fire
#431. To: FormerLurker (#415)
Kerosene (jet fuel) was spent within the first several minutes; paper, wood, and assorted office furniture doesn't burn hot enough to weaken steel.
#432. To: FormerLurker (#422)
(Edited)
#433. To: noone222 (#426)
You and snopes are full of shit !
#434. To: lucysmom (#433)
#435. To: noone222 (#431)
It seems the shills are marching into 4UM from somewhere all of a sudden.
#436. To: war (#432)
81st floor was at the bottom of the impact zone...
• One stairway in the south tower remained open above the crash, but few used it to escape. Stairway A, one of three, was unobstructed from top to bottom. The jet crashed into the 78th through 84th floors of the south tower. A few people escaped from the 78th floor down these stairs. One person went down the stairs from the 81st floor, two from the 84th floor and one from the 91st. Others went up these stairs in search of a helicopter rescue that wasn't possible because of heavy smoke on the rooftop.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#437. To: noone222 (#431)
It seems the shills are marching into 4UM from somewhere all of a sudden. I don't mind entertaining an idea at variance with my own unless it's ridiculous. These characters, lucysmom and war seem to be conjoined twins from zio-nazi-ville
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#438. To: war (#434)
That's what he was counting upon...
#439. To: war (#428)
In what bizzaro world do you live in wherein humans do not try to get away from fire that is capable of burning them...?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#440. To: war (#429)
Your offering as evidence something that you admit does not exist.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#441. To: FormerLurker (#439)
You're saying that the fires were so hot they could weaken steel, yet people were able to walk through the area of those alleged raging fires without getting burnt.
#442. To: FormerLurker (#440)
The evidence DID in fact exist until your team destroyed it, ie. YouTube was forced (by government or corporate pressure) to delete the video from its site.
#443. To: FormerLurker (#439)
(Edited)
You're saying that the fires were so hot they could weaken steel, yet people were able to walk through the area of those alleged raging fires without getting burnt.
#444. To: war (#443)
At 8.46am and 26 seconds it hit the building, and the tip of the wing hit the offices about 70ft above him. The impact of the Boeing 767 ripped a path across floors 94 to 98, shredding steel columns, crushing filing-cabinets and computer- laden desks and ripping out bundles of cables.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#445. To: war (#441)
No they weren't
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#446. To: FormerLurker (#444)
Hey genius, do you know the difference between North and South? I was referrring (sic) to the South Tower, and you are playing as if you don't know that by posting news clips about the North Tower.
#447. To: FormerLurker (#445)
So you're saying that the survivors who escaped from above the South Tower impact zone are liars, and they weren't really there?
#448. To: war (#442)
Right along with the missing LBJ six shooter to Kennedy's head footage...
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#449. To: war (#447)
Where did any of them claim to walk through fire?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#450. To: FormerLurker (#449)
If they travelled down the stairs THROUGH the area you claim was engulfed in a raging fire...
#451. To: FormerLurker (#448)
There were a multitude of web sites which linked and/or embedded the video, but when attempting to view it a message is displayed saying that the video no longer exists.
#452. To: war (#446)
So, the North Tower fell on its own but the South Tower was controlled demolition.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#453. To: war (#451)
Link me to some of those websites, please.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#454. To: FormerLurker (#452)
#455. To: war (#450)
Can you point out that post, please?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#456. To: Neo TryingtoWarnYou (#454)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#457. To: FormerLurker (#452)
But to simple minds such as yours, that believes in the impossible
#458. To: war (#457)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#459. To: FormerLurker (#455)
Already did, twice. You claim that the impacted floors were engulfed in a raging inferno, yet people were able to travel down the stairwell THROUGH those impacted floors
#460. To: FormerLurker (#458)
I KNOW it is impossible for structural steel to weaken to the point of failure due to low grade office fires.
#461. To: FormerLurker (#458)
(Edited)
I KNOW it is impossible for structures to fall into their own footprint at free fall speed UNLESS there are explosives involved in their demolotion.
#462. To: war (#461)
You've been shown several times that a) they did not fall into their own footprint and b) that the speed was not free fall...and if there were explosives involved how is it that columns remained standing?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#463. To: war (#460)
The office fires in WTC were anything but *low* grade.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#464. To: war (#459)
Again, can you please refer me to the post where I so stated?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#465. To: FormerLurker (#463)
So they were so "hot" to weaken steel, but not so "hot" to burn human flesh.
#466. To: FormerLurker (#464)
Ok, so where exactly WAS this raging inferno you speak of if it WASN'T within the impacted floors of the South Tower?
#467. To: FormerLurker (#462)
Building 7 DID fall at free fall speed.
#468. To: war (#467)
None of the buildings fell at free fall speed and as soon as you acknowledged that the Penthouse collapse actually occurred then you know this as well...
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#469. To: war (#465)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#470. To: FormerLurker (#468)
THAT indicates there was structural failure below the penthouse
#471. To: FormerLurker (#469)
(Edited)
The people who escaped from the South Tower floors which were ABOVE the impact area made it through the area safely.
#472. To: FormerLurker (#468)
(Edited)
#473. To: war (#472)
BTW, I'm curious if you can give me an instance of gravity working on a falling object where a) the path was not downward when b) absent any horizontal force......
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#474. To: war (#471)
The few who did were situated, uniquely, near Staircase A... That is why you were asked, "what staircase?"
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#475. To: FormerLurker (#469)
The people who escaped from the South Tower floors which were ABOVE the impact area made it through the area safely. So apparently there were no fires there which could have weakened steel.
#476. To: war (#470)
What it also indicated, is that the collapse took seconds longer than free fall speed.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#477. To: FormerLurker (#474)
(Edited)
But IF the fires were as hot as you claim, wouldn't you need to admit that the ENTIRE impact area would need to be too hot for humans to endure or escape unharmed?
#478. To: FormerLurker (#476)
That there was evidently SOME sort of demolition occuring (sic) on the top floor
#479. To: war (#475)
No one above 84 made it out. ABOVE the impact area would have been 86th floor and above...
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#480. To: war (#478)
That said, nothing is seen when the penthouse collapses other than the penthouse collapsing...
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#481. To: FormerLurker (#479)
#482. To: FormerLurker (#480)
So now you're trying to say WTC 7 is still there absent its penthouse?
#483. To: All (#482)
#484. To: war (#481)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#485. To: FormerLurker (#484)
There WAS a survivor that was on the 91st floor.
#486. To: NeoconsNailed (#483)
I'm excited to discover today (took me awhile) that there's tons of discussion going on here.
#487. To: war (#485)
"A few people escaped from the 78th floor down these stairs. One person went down the stairs from the 81st floor, two from the 84th floor and one from the 91st. "
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#488. To: lucysmom (#435)
Not all of a sudden, I've been a member for years.
#489. To: noone222 (#488)
For years you've been smart enough to keep your pie hole shut. So why the recent outburst ???
#490. To: FormerLurker (#487)
Ok, so you admit that the impact zone and areas immediately above it were safe for people to walk through unharmed, correct?
#491. To: FormerLurker (#453)
9/11/01: WYNW (FOX) Reporter Confirms The Fires In The South Tower Were Almost Out
#492. To: war (#491)
9/11/01: WYNW (FOX) Reporter Confirms The Fires In The South Tower Were Almost Out
Anyone who was reporting that the fires in WTC7 were almost out was 100% wrong...
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#493. To: FormerLurker (#492)
(Edited)
The headline said SOUTH TOWER, not WTC7.
#494. To: All (#493)
#495. To: FormerLurker (#492)
#496. To: war (#493)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#497. To: FormerLurker (#496)
Yep, you know more than the people who were putting out the fires.
#498. To: FormerLurker (#496)
Yep, you know more than the people who were putting out the fires. Good for you war.
#499. To: war (#497)
Nowhere does FDNY state that the fire in any of the towers were nearly out.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#500. To: war (#498)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#501. To: FormerLurker (#500)
Those pictures were taken shortly after the aircraft crashed into the towers, right?
#502. To: FormerLurker (#500)
As far as the penthouse (you apparently have a fixation with that magazine), I've already given you my thoughts on that.
#503. To: war (#501)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#504. To: war (#502)
It took repeated askings for you to acknowledge that WTC7 collapse began well prior to when you claimed that it did...
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#505. To: FormerLurker (#503)
Regardless of when they were taken, office fires cannot and will not cause a building to collapse in less than hour.
#506. To: FormerLurker (#504)
The bombs certainly did demolish the area under the penthouse before the main charges...
#507. To: war (#505)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#508. To: FormerLurker (#507)
You won't accept the laws of physics
#509. To: war (#508)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#510. To: war (#508)
Everything that you have presented HAS BEEN falsified.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#511. To: FormerLurker (#509)
#512. To: Abraham (#511)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#513. To: FormerLurker (#509)
#514. To: Abraham (#511)
s mounted on the back of the seat in front of you. I guess they could have been land line phones, but that's a pretty long cable.
#515. To: noone222 (#513)
#516. To: FormerLurker (#512)
#517. To: FormerLurker (#512)
#518. To: Abraham, formerlurker (#511)
I can't believe anybody outside a mental institution is still arguing this garbage anymore.
#519. To: Artisan (#518)
#520. To: Abraham, all, Good Friday, do unto others (#519)
I'm not going to pretend crazy people are anything other than crazy.
#521. To: Artisan (#520)
I think that if you go around insulting people you're vertainly free to do so, but it won't get you any converts to your side & will only diminish any respect people had for you.
#522. To: christine (#1)
-Alex Kurtagic
#523. To: X-15 (#522) (Edited)
Not only were the numbers of alleged passengers unusually low, there are multiple discrepencies in the reported passenger lists -- some names in particular that appear in one place...disappear in another...duplicate in morphed forms. Some names might be on the list as an exit strategy for witness protection program identity changes. Some may have been killed prior and their names included for insurance and disaster charity fraud. People who were close to them would tend to think they did die as 9/11 victims. Some names may even be entirely fictitous, also for insurance and disaster charity fraud amongst the insiders. Reportedly, the wife of one of the air traffic controllers that day was on one the alleged hijacks. iirc, he might have been the ATC who reportedly had been involved in the Egypt Air disaster and another too. As for alleged Flt. 93 "officially" claimed to have crashed deep into the ground at Shanksville, PA, anyone of the opinion that was a real airliner with real people aboard should at least question why no attempt to excavate said impact zone for any possible survivors. Edited last sentence. I don't disagree with the manipulation to get America into endless war in the ME after 9/11, but I still want to know what happened to the passengers if they didn't die in the aircraft.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#524. To: GreyLmist, X-15, christine (#523)
Red Ice Radio – Rebekah Roth – Hour 1 – 9/11: Methodical Illusion
#525. To: GreyLmist (#523)
!!!!!!!! I can't believe you typed those words. question why no attempt to excavate said impact zone for any possible survivors.
-Alex Kurtagic
#526. To: X-15 (#525)
There's a lot of words that I cannot believe get typed including the most recent ones that state that when a building's support columns are destroyed that it isn't gravity that brings them down... I can't believe you typed those words.
--Are you a *Jew*?
#527. To: war (#526)
Whoever said that, you? I cannot believe get typed including the most recent ones that state that when a building's support columns are destroyed that it isn't gravity that brings them down...
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#528. To: FormerLurker (#527)
You.
--Are you a *Jew*?
#529. To: war (#528)
Go ahead and find the post and link it, otherwise admit that you are a liar. You.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#530. To: X-15 (#525)
!!!!!!!! I can't believe you typed those words. Why not? I thought about adding the words "or decedent remains either" but decided against it. question why no attempt to excavate said impact zone for any possible survivors.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#531. To: FormerLurker (#529)
Your whole narrative is that. Support columns were destroyed when the planes hit the towers...structural support was further compromised by the combination of stress and fire... But the buildings had to be blown up to fall... Go ahead and find the post and link it, otherwise admit that you are a liar.
--Are you a *Jew*?
#532. To: GreyLmist (#530)
Prior to South Tower collapse FDNY was climbing the stairs to the area of impact in Tower 1...
--Are you a *Jew*?
#533. To: war (#531)
Support columns were destroyed when the planes hit the towers...structural support was further compromised by the combination of stress and fire... But the buildings had to be blown up to fall... Pure BS. The CENTRAL CORES of the towers were NOT destroyed prior to the collapse. Only a relatively small SECTION of the outer wall was damaged in the impact areas of the towers. Thus, the SUPPORTING STRUCTURE UNDER the damaged areas were INTACT snd STABLE, contrary to your smoke and mirrors carnival show, and contrary to your wild claims. Your whole narrative is that.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#534. To: GreyLmist (#530)
If you were having a joke I missed it: when an airliner pile-drives into the ground there are NO "survivors". Ever.
-Alex Kurtagic
#535. To: GreyLmist (#523)
Anyway there was a 10 mile debris field & an engine was 2 miles away from the aleged crash site of flight 93 (both mainstream news) Alsofox reported 93 landed safely in cincinatti, quoting both the fbi & airline spokesmen by name. They later merely quipped it was an error. Wtf? How can two specific admissions be called error?
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
#536. To: x-15 (#535)
Ping to #535
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
#537. To: X-15 (#534)
I probably should have been clearer about the excavation comment, which I meant to convey with a sense of immediacy, in case of any possible survivors -- that day of 9/11 rather than some days later when they were searching for the black boxes. I know the chances of survivors would seem impossible in a real scenario but the official story is that the ground was very soft at the point of impact and that's why the plane, or most of it, tunneled at least 15 feet fully underground and maybe went into a mine shaft too -- which could have increased chances of survival if so, I would guess. And if the ground was that soft, it should have been easy to reach the plane right away to find out. If you were having a joke I missed it: when an airliner pile-drives into the ground there are NO "survivors". Ever.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#538. To: FormerLurker (#533)
You know this how, exactly? From this view? Please point out the *central* cores - which, btw, is a redundancy... A *core*, by definition< is *central*... The CENTRAL CORES of the towers were NOT destroyed prior to the collapse.
--Are you a *Jew*?
#539. To: FormerLurker (#533)
Again... Look at the North Tower...3/4 of the outer columns of the north face are severed... Look at the South Tower...nearly the entire columns on the east face as well as and nearly half on the north are severed... So, please, stop telling me that what I can see with my own eyes is not what I'm seeing with my own eyes. Only a relatively small SECTION of the outer wall was damaged in the impact areas of the towers.
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#540. To: war (#539)
Yet there is NO damage to the floors below the damaged area, so explain to me why THEY would suddenly fail to support the upper structure. As far as WTC2, the plane hit on an angle and did not damage the central core, which was the predominate load bearing component of the structure. The outer wall columns were chiefly there for horizontal loads, such as for providing stablity against winds. Trusses supported the actual lightweight cement of the floors themselves, but they did not support the actual structure other than the immediate floor which rested on them.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#541. To: GreyLmist (#537)
I'd never heard that whacky story; which is even goofier than the Pentagon story. 93 was shot down and left an eight mile debris field before whatever was remaining crashed in PA. ...the official story is that the ground was very soft at the point of impact and that's why the plane, or most of it, tunneled at least 15 feet fully underground and maybe went into a mine shaft too -- which could have increased chances of survival if so, I would guess. And if the ground was that soft, it should have been easy to reach the plane right away to find out.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#542. To: Artisan (#535)
Possibly falsely planted. No bodies or parts of them along those miles. A shootdown has been claimed through the years, I think, to condition the public to accept that as "Standard Operating Procedure" in hijacks rather than trying to save the lives of passengers by negotiations for a safe landing. To push that even more, the so-called "heroic passengers" meme is "Masada-styled" as if to "ok" them murdering everyone aboard before the hijackers did and endangering lives on the ground, too, in the process instead of waiting for Military intervention, which they couldn't have had any evidence wasn't on the way and nearby. They later merely quipped it was an error. Wtf? How can two specific admissions be called error? Infowar...PsyOps... Anyway there was a 10 mile debris field & an engine was 2 miles away from the aleged crash site of flight 93 (both mainstream news)
Alsofox reported 93 landed safely in cincinatti, quoting both the fbi & airline spokesmen by name.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#543. To: FormerLurker (#540)
So you're saying that where there was no damage...there was no damage. Got it. Mr. Obvious Rides Again... As far as WTC2, the plane hit on an angle and did not damage the central core, which was the predominate load bearing component of the structure. Uh...no...the *predominant* load bearing *component* of the structure was the outer structure...the center support was secondary... That's a fatal error of knowledge, btw... Yet there is NO damage to the floors below the damaged area
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#544. To: Lod (#541)
Yes, I think so too. I'd never heard that whacky story; which is even goofier than the Pentagon story.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#545. To: FormerLurker (#540)
Lightweight cement...?!? Hilarious... On one hand the structure's floors had heavy cement which should have stopped the downward momentum of 10's of millions of tons of falling steel and office equipment and the regular weight cement...on the other hand, it was *lightweight* and, therefore, what? Could defy gravity? Trusses supported the actual lightweight cement of the floors themselves
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#546. To: GreyLmist (#542)
I have no doubts whatsoever that it was...just as I have no doubts about TWA 800... A shootdown has been claimed through the years, I think, to condition the public to accept that as "Standard Operating Procedure" in hijacks rather than trying to save the lives of passengers by negotiations for a safe landing.
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#547. To: war (#545)
Are you an idiot in real life, or do you just play one on the Internet?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#548. To: war (#543)
You are flat out wrong, either delibertately, or out of sheer arrogant stupidity. The central core is what supported the vertical load of the building. Do I need to look that up, or are you capable of using Google on your own? Uh...no...the *predominant* load bearing *component* of the structure was the outer structure...the center support was secondary...
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#549. To: FormerLurker (#547)
A girl never tells... (;^D... Are you an idiot in real life, or do you just play one on the Internet?
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#550. To: All (#549)
Could somebody give the essence of this discussion in a few words? Surely the dispute isn't over whether 9/11 was an inside job? For anybody who didn't see it immediately as the towers were falling, surely the day the authorities claimed to find one of the Ayrabs' passport in the rubble would do it. Not you, war. Thanks but no thanks. Somebody else.
#551. To: All (#537) (Edited)
St. Petersburg Times - excerpt Forever changed, Shanksville, Pa., can't escape its connection to 9/11. By WES ALLISON, Times Staff Writer The site had been mined for coal, then refilled with dirt. It was still soft when Flight 93 crashed, and firefighters said the Boeing 757 tunneled right in. They had to dig 15 feet to find it. Also linked with similar reporting at Did Flight 93 Crash in Shanksville?: Flight 93 Related Articles Killtown: Flight 93 'literally went into the ground' - Official Claim - with short video of "A Flight 93 Memorial Ambassador* telling visitors that the official claim is that most of the plane burrowed underground" 4 minute YouTube that I think is informative after it gets past the section at 20-37 seconds about the WTC: Proof that 9/11 flight 93 did not crash at Shanksville Edited link title formatting. the official story is that the ground was very soft at the point of impact and that's why the plane, or most of it, tunneled at least 15 feet fully underground and maybe went into a mine shaft too
Small town shoulders a nation's grief
© St. Petersburg Times
published September 10, 2003
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#552. To: NeoconsNailed (#550)
ya think? ;) surely the day the authorities claimed to find one of the Ayrabs' passport in the rubble would do it.
Truth is still truth even if no one believes it. A lie is still a lie even if everyone believes it.
#553. To: NeoconsNailed, 4 (#550)
At 500+ replies, No. That's why my next action will be to select Ignore Thread and go make a grilled cheese, bacon, and tomato sandwich. With mustard. Could somebody give the essence of this discussion in a few words?
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#554. To: NeoconsNailed, war, FormerLurker (#550)
Not you, war. Thanks but no thanks. Somebody else. war keeps insisting on advertising WTC Pancakes Flambé against FormerLurker's better judgement. : ) Could somebody give the essence of this discussion in a few words? Surely the dispute isn't over whether 9/11 was an inside job? For anybody who didn't see it immediately as the towers were falling, surely the day the authorities claimed to find one of the Ayrabs' passport in the rubble would do it.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#555. To: GreyLmist, Cynicom (#537)
Oh hell no, give your brain a chance. You ever stomp on a beer can? Same thing happens to an airliner, and everybody/everything inside it, when it smacks the earth: crushed aluminum. which I meant to convey with a sense of immediacy, in case of any possible survivors -- that day of 9/11 rather than some days later when they were searching for the black boxes. I know the chances of survivors would seem impossible in a real scenario but the official story is that the ground was very soft at the point of impact and that's why the plane, or most of it, tunneled at least 15 feet fully underground and maybe went into a mine shaft too -- which could have increased chances of survival if so, I would guess.
-Alex Kurtagic
#556. To: X-15 (#555) (Edited)
Thanks for the modern-day reminder. Sometimes I lapse into earlier childhood memories of a plane park where they were built sturdy enough back then for us to run around on a wing and stuff, several at a time. Oh hell no, give your brain a chance. You ever stomp on a beer can? Same thing happens to an airliner, and everybody/everything inside it, when it smacks the earth: crushed aluminum.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#557. To: NeoconsNailed (#550)
Experimental Worms Survived Reentry Break-Up and Crash of Space Shuttle Columbia, According to a Report in the Journal Astrobiology New Rochelle, December 29, 2005 – On board the Space Shuttle Columbia mission STS-107, researchers were studying the growth and reproductive behavior of the nematode worm Caenorhabditis elegans, but the mission ended in tragedy in 2003 when the shuttle broke up during reentry. Remarkably, the worms, housed in specially designed canisters, survived the virtually unprotected reentry into the Earth’s atmosphere and were recovered alive during the extensive recovery effort following the crash, as reported in the December 2005 (Volume 5, Number 6) issue of Astrobiology, a peer-reviewed journal published by Mary Ann Liebert, Inc. The paper is available free online at http://www.liebertpub.com/ast. A team of scientists comprised of Nathaniel Szewczyk, Rocco Mancinelli, and Catharine Conley from the NASA Ames Research Center (Moffett Field, CA), William McLamb and David Reed from Bionetics Corporation (Kennedy Space Center, FL) and Nobel Laureate Baruch Blumberg from Fox Chase Cancer Center have co- authored a paper entitled, “Caenorhabditis elegans Survives Atmospheric Breakup of STS-107, Space Shuttle Columbia” that documents the amazing recovery of the experimental worms, which are commonly used in biological studies and are being developed as a model system for space biology research. www.liebertpub.com/global...erimental-worms-survived- reentry-break-up-and-crash-of-space-shuttle-columbia-according-to-a-report-in- the-journal-emastrobiology-em/428/
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