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Title: Methodical Illusion: The 9/11 Con Begins to Crumble — Rebekah Roth (Flight Attendant)
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URL Source: http://sgtreport.com/2015/03/method ... egins-to-crumble-rebekah-roth/
Published: Mar 23, 2015
Author: Rebekah Roth
Post Date: 2015-03-23 10:33:47 by christine
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Views: 19427
Comments: 557

Rebekah Roth has, in my opinion, blown the lid off of the lies surrounding the events on 9/11. Facts which are outlined in her recently released book, Methodical Illusion; a book, as of this writing, that is #1 on the Amazon Best Seller List for its category.--NorthWestLibertyNews


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Roth’s research reveals ALL of the 911 cell phone calls from the passengers to their families and friends were actually made on the ground after the 4 planes landed at a remote military airfield and listen to what her research reveals about passenger 9B. This is a must listen. I agree with NorthWestLibertyNews's opinion that Rebekah has blown the lid off the 9/11 lies.

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#452. To: war (#446)

So, the North Tower fell on its own but the South Tower was controlled demolition.

Er, no. I'm not going to play your game of confusing one set of facts in terms of survivors from the SOUTH TOWER with your cherry picked tales about the North Tower.

I'm simply addressing your ridiculous claims about how office fires which burnt for less than an hour were capable of heating steel to the point of structural failure.

NO object, I don't care WHAT it is, will travel through the path of MOST resistance, nor will it fall through ANY path which has mass in its way, at free fall speed or anything close to it.

But to simple minds such as yours, that believes in the impossible because the government said so, well, I guess there's just no hope in you ever seeing things for what they are.

Unless you're just pretending to be dumb of course. Because if you WERE intelligent enough to know better, then that would mean you are actively participating in a criminal enterprise which murdered 3000 people, plus a LOT more if you count the bogus wars that killed over a million innocent people.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-03-31   13:18:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#453. To: war (#451)

Link me to some of those websites, please.

Well here's one. Just search for "WYNW (FOX) Reporter Confirms The Fires In The South Tower Were Almost Out", you'll find a bunch more.

9/11/01: WYNW (FOX) Reporter Confirms The Fires In The South Tower Were Almost Out


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-03-31   13:20:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#454. To: FormerLurker (#452)

Definition of INSANITY:

Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different 'result'.

Neo TryingtoWarnYou  posted on  2015-03-31   13:21:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#455. To: war (#450)

Can you point out that post, please?

Already did, twice. You claim that the impacted floors were engulfed in a raging inferno, yet people were able to travel down the stairwell THROUGH those impacted floors, so there was obviously no raging inferno engulfing those floors.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-03-31   13:24:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#456. To: Neo TryingtoWarnYou (#454)

Just cementing the fact that war is not here in search of truth. He's here to discredit those who are, and to spread disinformation.

Sort of what BAC (and cohorts) used to do back on ElPee.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-03-31   13:27:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#457. To: FormerLurker (#452)

But to simple minds such as yours, that believes in the impossible

You *think* it's impossible that planes were hijacked at knifepoint and then flown in to buildings and that the initial impact and explosion caused significant damage...you further believe that it is impossible for the significant amount of materials in those offices to catch fire in any significant way.

Instead, you believe that it's possible that an unknown number of personal *snuck* in to three WTC buildings and planted devices that were capable of not causing the buildings to collapse...and to cover this up...4 airliners were somehow, you don't know how, commandeered, flown to a remote location and the passengers...well...you don't know what happened to them...meanwhile...real time conversations between the planes and people and places on the ground were simulated as soon as those flights were commandeered...those planes were then replaced by mockups and flown in to three buildings while one augured in, for some unexplained reason, near Somerset, PA...after they were flown in to the buildings and the numerous accounts, both eyewitness and video, of fires raging, are nothing more than disinformation...and that at some specified times...one of those over 6 hours later...the buildings were blown up...

All of that is entirely possible...

Did I leave out anything?

--Are you a *Jew*?

war  posted on  2015-03-31   13:31:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#458. To: war (#457)

You *think* it's impossible that planes were hijacked at knifepoint and then flown in to buildings and that the initial impact and explosion caused significant damage...you further believe that it is impossible for the significant amount of materials in those offices to catch fire in any significant way.

I KNOW it is impossible for structural steel to weaken to the point of failure due to low grade office fires.

I KNOW it is impossible for structures to fall into their own footprint at free fall speed UNLESS there are explosives involved in their demolotion.

There are MANY other things which don't add up, but I don't have all day to write a 50 page essay of what is OBVIOUSLY impossible in terms of the events of 9/11.

That you choose to obfuscuate the truth and dance around it, illustrates what your mission is here.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-03-31   13:37:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#459. To: FormerLurker (#455)

Already did, twice. You claim that the impacted floors were engulfed in a raging inferno, yet people were able to travel down the stairwell THROUGH those impacted floors

Again, can you please refer me to the post where I so stated?

--Are you a *Jew*?

war  posted on  2015-03-31   13:37:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#460. To: FormerLurker (#458)

I KNOW it is impossible for structural steel to weaken to the point of failure due to low grade office fires.

The office fires in WTC were anything but *low* grade.

So right there you fail...

--Are you a *Jew*?

war  posted on  2015-03-31   13:38:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#461. To: FormerLurker (#458) (Edited)

I KNOW it is impossible for structures to fall into their own footprint at free fall speed UNLESS there are explosives involved in their demolotion.

You've been shown several times that a) they did not fall into their own footprint and b) that the speed was not free fall...and if there were explosives involved how is it that columns remained standing?

--Are you a *Jew*?

war  posted on  2015-03-31   13:40:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#462. To: war (#461)

You've been shown several times that a) they did not fall into their own footprint and b) that the speed was not free fall...and if there were explosives involved how is it that columns remained standing?

You can stomp your feet as often and as hard as you'd like, but that doesn't change the facts.

The towers AND Building 7 FELL STRAIGHT DOWN INTO THEIR OWN FOOTPRINTS.

The towers fell at ALMOST free fall speed, and Building 7 DID fall at free fall speed.

A matter of a fraction of a second, or even several seconds, does not make it untrue. If the collapse took hours, days, or weeks, then that'd be more akin to a structural failure.

For skyscrapers to come straight down completely in a matter of seconds (ESPECIALLY at a rate at or near freefall), that's controlled demolition.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-03-31   13:53:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#463. To: war (#460)

The office fires in WTC were anything but *low* grade.

So they were so "hot" to weaken steel, but not so "hot" to burn human flesh.

Ok Skippie.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-03-31   13:54:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#464. To: war (#459)

Again, can you please refer me to the post where I so stated?

Ok, so where exactly WAS this raging inferno you speak of if it WASN'T within the impacted floors of the South Tower?


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-03-31   13:56:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#465. To: FormerLurker (#463)

So they were so "hot" to weaken steel, but not so "hot" to burn human flesh.

You have made absolutely no proffer that people were not burned...and, in fact, I've shown that people were, in fact, burned.

--Are you a *Jew*?

war  posted on  2015-03-31   13:58:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#466. To: FormerLurker (#464)

Ok, so where exactly WAS this raging inferno you speak of if it WASN'T within the impacted floors of the South Tower?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2aUkKWg0J0

South Tower fires video start around 7:30

--Are you a *Jew*?

war  posted on  2015-03-31   14:07:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#467. To: FormerLurker (#462)

Building 7 DID fall at free fall speed.

I'm not the one stomping my feet.

None of the buildings fell at free fall speed and as soon as you acknowledged that the Penthouse collapse actually occurred then you know this as well...

--Are you a *Jew*?

war  posted on  2015-03-31   14:16:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#468. To: war (#467)

None of the buildings fell at free fall speed and as soon as you acknowledged that the Penthouse collapse actually occurred then you know this as well...

The penthouse (Penthouse is a magazine, did you know that you don't capitalize words unless they're proper nouns or at the beginning of a sentence), BEGAN to collapse prior to the MAIN collapse.

THAT indicates there was structural failure below the penthouse PRIOR to the bottom of the structure TOTALLY failing causing the ENTIRE building to drop as one at free fall speed.

You can continue to deny the fact that both towers AND Building 7 dropped into their own footprints at or near free fall speed, yet that doesn't make it true.

You could also insist that the Earth has 5 moons of identical size which support vast herds of goats on each one, but that doesn't make that true either.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-03-31   14:32:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#469. To: war (#465)

The people who escaped from the South Tower floors which were ABOVE the impact area made it through the area safely. So apparently there were no fires there which could have weakened steel.

Do you not understand that simple fact?


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-03-31   14:34:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#470. To: FormerLurker (#468)

THAT indicates there was structural failure below the penthouse

Thank you, Mr, Obvious.

What it also indicated, is that the collapse took seconds longer than free fall speed.

--Are you a *Jew*?

war  posted on  2015-03-31   14:39:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#471. To: FormerLurker (#469) (Edited)

The people who escaped from the South Tower floors which were ABOVE the impact area made it through the area safely.

The few who did were situated, uniquely, near Staircase A... That is why you were asked, "what staircase?"

--Are you a *Jew*?

war  posted on  2015-03-31   14:40:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#472. To: FormerLurker (#468) (Edited)

BTW, I'm curious if you can give me an instance of gravity working on a falling object where a) the path was not downward when b) absent any horizontal force......

--Are you a *Jew*?

war  posted on  2015-03-31   14:43:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#473. To: war (#472)

BTW, I'm curious if you can give me an instance of gravity working on a falling object where a) the path was not downward when b) absent any horizontal force......

I'd be curious if you can give me an instance of ANY object dropping through itself at free fall speed (or close to it).

Sort of like having a stack of boxes falling straight down, where the top box breaks through all lower boxes as if they weren't even there. That'd be an example of how the towers fell.

Then show me an example of a stack of boxes falling down from the bottom box collapsing into itself, with all upper boxes falling straight down into themselves once the bottom box starts to collapse. That'd be like a WTC 7 collapse.

Remember, there can't be any toppling over, tumbing over, or any motion except for downwards, even though there is a solid floor underneath those boxes.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-03-31   14:55:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#474. To: war (#471)

The few who did were situated, uniquely, near Staircase A... That is why you were asked, "what staircase?"

But IF the fires were as hot as you claim, wouldn't you need to admit that the ENTIRE impact area would need to be too hot for humans to endure or escape unharmed?


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-03-31   14:57:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#475. To: FormerLurker (#469)

The people who escaped from the South Tower floors which were ABOVE the impact area made it through the area safely. So apparently there were no fires there which could have weakened steel.

Wait a second...you are claiming people from ABOVE the impact area made it out of the South Tower?

No one above 84 made it out. ABOVE the impact area would have been 86th floor and above...

--Are you a *Jew*?

war  posted on  2015-03-31   15:00:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#476. To: war (#470)

What it also indicated, is that the collapse took seconds longer than free fall speed.

BS. The collapse time is measured from the time the STRUCTURE begins to drop as one, THAT is what amounts to a total structural collapse.

That there was evidently SOME sort of demolition occuring on the top floor where the penthouse was situated does not mean squat in terms of how fast the top four corners of the building along with the REST of the building dropped as one.

Even discounting your dishonest claims as to whether the time of collapse begins when ANY part of the building fails, or when the ENTIRE building drops uniformly, the difference is a matter of fractions of a second.

It takes more than a fraction of a second to demolish 50 or so floors of a high rise building.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-03-31   15:02:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#477. To: FormerLurker (#474) (Edited)

But IF the fires were as hot as you claim, wouldn't you need to admit that the ENTIRE impact area would need to be too hot for humans to endure or escape unharmed?

When you put a log on a fire is the entire log immediately consumed?

Would you characterize the fire as being *low level* for that reason?

--Are you a *Jew*?

war  posted on  2015-03-31   15:03:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#478. To: FormerLurker (#476)

That there was evidently SOME sort of demolition occuring (sic) on the top floor

While we're correcting each other here, *occurring* has two r's.

That said, nothing is seen when the penthouse collapses other than the penthouse collapsing...

--Are you a *Jew*?

war  posted on  2015-03-31   15:06:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#479. To: war (#475)

No one above 84 made it out. ABOVE the impact area would have been 86th floor and above...

You are either mentally challenged or are seriously playing games with me here.

I posted a news clip from USA today which reported survivors from several different areas within and ABOVE the South Tower impact zone, and one of those survivors were on the 91st floor.

Go back and read post 436


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-03-31   15:07:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#480. To: war (#478)

That said, nothing is seen when the penthouse collapses other than the penthouse collapsing...

So now you're trying to say WTC 7 is still there absent its penthouse?


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-03-31   15:08:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#481. To: FormerLurker (#479)

The person who supposedly made it down from the 91st floor did not work there...he worked on 84...he had climbed the steps and decided to stop. He waited then decided to go down the steps.

www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/tec...owers-survivor-story.html

--Are you a *Jew*?

war  posted on  2015-03-31   15:17:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#482. To: FormerLurker (#480)

So now you're trying to say WTC 7 is still there absent its penthouse?

I have no idea how you could have *heard* that...

--Are you a *Jew*?

war  posted on  2015-03-31   15:22:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#483. To: All (#482)

May I make a suggestion? This thread is approaching 500 replies and saturating the Latest Comments page. I suspect everybody who's going to be convinced one way or the other already has been, so you might want to expend these impressive talents on other subjects. Just a suggestion!

I'm excited to discover today (took me awhile) that there's tons of discussion going on here. I have strong opinions on 9/11, and forcing myself not to add my 2c in this space is my greatest 2015 achievement so far :-)

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-03-31   16:11:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#484. To: war (#481)

There WAS a survivor that was on the 91st floor. Are you saying that USA Today is lying?


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-03-31   16:15:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#485. To: FormerLurker (#484)

There WAS a survivor that was on the 91st floor.

Yes...he was on the 91st floor because he had walked up there from 84...

"A few people escaped from the 78th floor down these stairs. One person went down the stairs from the 81st floor, two from the 84th floor and one from the 91st. "

--Are you a *Jew*?

war  posted on  2015-03-31   16:46:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#486. To: NeoconsNailed (#483)

I'm excited to discover today (took me awhile) that there's tons of discussion going on here.

Good for you, Cupcake. I'm posting on some of them.

--Are you a *Jew*?

war  posted on  2015-03-31   16:47:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#487. To: war (#485)

"A few people escaped from the 78th floor down these stairs. One person went down the stairs from the 81st floor, two from the 84th floor and one from the 91st. "

Ok, so you admit that the impact zone and areas immediately above it were safe for people to walk through unharmed, correct?


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-03-31   17:40:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#488. To: lucysmom (#435)

Not all of a sudden, I've been a member for years.

For years you've been smart enough to keep your pie hole shut. So why the recent outburst ???

"We're all on death row, only the execution date is uncertain".

Doug Scheidt 2015

noone222  posted on  2015-03-31   18:41:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#489. To: noone222 (#488)

For years you've been smart enough to keep your pie hole shut. So why the recent outburst ???

The above is an outburst, I was engaged in discussion.

Why so rude?

lucysmom  posted on  2015-03-31   22:58:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#490. To: FormerLurker (#487)

Ok, so you admit that the impact zone and areas immediately above it were safe for people to walk through unharmed, correct?

One small part of it...not all of it...ONE stairwell...otherwise...more than barely a handful of people would have been able to escape...

--Are you a *Jew*?

war  posted on  2015-04-01   8:04:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#491. To: FormerLurker (#453)

9/11/01: WYNW (FOX) Reporter Confirms The Fires In The South Tower Were Almost Out

Anyone who was reporting that the fires in WTC7 were almost out was 100% wrong...

--Are you a *Jew*?

war  posted on  2015-04-01   8:38:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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