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Title: Can Ted Cruz serve as President if he was born in Canada?
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URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/ted-cruz-serv ... anada-111410935--politics.html
Published: Mar 23, 2015
Author: NCC Staff
Post Date: 2015-03-23 16:39:57 by BTP Holdings
Keywords: None
Views: 112
Comments: 12

Can Ted Cruz serve as President if he was born in Canada?

National Constitution Center

By NCC Staff

5 hours ago

Republican Senator Ted Cruz has announced his candidacy for President, again raising the issue of how people born in other countries qualify for office under the Constitution.

In the case of Cruz, he was born in Canada in 1970, and his father was born in Cuba and his mother was born as a United States citizen in Delaware).

The Constitution’s Natural Born Citizenship Clause states that “no person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President.”

The scholarly consensus about Cruz is that he’s most likely eligible to run for the office of President and serve in the White House for several reasons.

Sarah Helene Duggin from Catholic University, who is an expert on this topic, wrote at length for us about a potential Cruz candidacy back in October 2013, and she explained why scholars believe Cruz is eligible.

Duggin said that the “consensus rests on firm foundations” based on the intent of the naturalization clause, as stated in a letter in 1787 from John Jay to George Washington; the language of the 1790 Naturalization Act; and the 14-year residency requirement in the Constitution’s Article II.

So why is there even a debate about a Cruz candidacy? Two significant factors that allow for some doubt are the facts that constitutional convention didn’t discuss the exact meaning of the words “natural born citizen” and the Supreme Court has never ruled on that issue.

“For Senator Cruz—who was born in Calgary, Alberta, to an American mother and a Cuban father—the question is more complicated,” Duggin said back in October 2013. “There is a strong argument that anyone who acquires United States citizenship at birth, whether by virtue of the 14th Amendment or by operation of federal statute, qualifies as natural born. The Supreme Court, however, has never ruled on the meaning of the natural-born citizenship requirement. In the absence of a definitive Supreme Court ruling—or a constitutional amendment—the parameters of the clause remain uncertain.”

Cruz isn’t the first person to run for President who wasn’t born in the United States. In 2008, John McCain faced questions since he was born in the Panama Canal Zone. And Mitt Romney’s father, George Romney, was born in Mexico, and he faced questions during his 1968 presidential campaign.

In February, Cruz again addressed questions about his qualifications for office at the CPAC political meetings.

“I was born in Calgary. My mother was an American citizen by birth,” Cruz said. “Under federal law, that made me an American citizen by birth. The Constitution requires that you be a natural-born citizen.”

Two prominent legal authorities, Neal Katyal and Paul Clement, said in a Harvard Law Review article that “there is no question that Senator Cruz has been a citizen from birth and is thus a ‘natural born Citizen’ within the meaning of the Constitution.”

“As Congress has recognized since the Founding, a person born abroad to a U.S. citizen parent is generally a U.S. citizen from birth with no need for naturalization. And the phrase “natural born Citizen” in the Constitution encompasses all such citizens from birth,” they added. “Thus, an individual born to a U.S. citizen parent — whether in California or Canada or the Canal Zone — is a U.S. citizen from birth and is fully eligible to serve as President if the people so choose.”

In the long run, the debate would be settled by a constitutional change.

“The best solution would be to amend the Constitution, as many legislators on both sides of the aisle have proposed over the years. In the absence of an amendment, the clause should be narrowly interpreted,” Duggin said back in 2013.


Poster Comment:

If his mother was an American citizen, he is a citizen by birth, even though he was born outside of the U.S. ;)

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#1. To: BTP Holdings (#0)

With Berry in the WH, it does not matter. And who gives a rats ass any more.

Darkwing  posted on  2015-03-24   14:27:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Darkwing (#1)

And who gives a rats ass any more.

This is just too cynical. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2015-03-24   16:16:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: BTP Holdings (#0)

Can Ted Cruz serve as President if he was born in Canada?

No.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2015-03-24   18:38:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: All (#3)

Can Ted Cruz serve as Vice President if he was born in Canada?

No.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2015-03-24   18:42:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: GreyLmist (#3)

Can Ted Cruz serve as President if he was born in Canada?

No.

Well, not POTUS, but he could serve as President of the homeowner's association if elected.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2015-03-24   18:46:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: abraxas (#5)

Well, not POTUS, but he could serve as President of the homeowner's association if elected.

If reading and comprehensively wasn't part of the job description for HOA Presidents, maybe. You know how D.C. politicos don't like to read what they foist on us.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2015-03-24   19:18:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: GreyLmist (#6)

Cruz also likes to spout that his (zio-loon) dad became a citizen, but neglects to mention he didn't do this until 2005,,, a very long time from 1970 to 2005 to wait, if he "loved murika"

A lot of corporate and govt entities are googling cruz father weird religious group this week after a mainstream rag mentioned it. I did an article on cruz loony father a few yrs ago and it got a lot of traffic from google queries yesterday. Ill post the screenshots later.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2015-03-24   19:53:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Artisan (#7) (Edited)

Cruz also likes to spout that his (zio-loon) dad became a citizen, but neglects to mention he didn't do this until 2005,,, a very long time from 1970 to 2005 to wait, if he "loved murika"

Didn't know that so I did some research and found this userly-sounding standoffishness:

How Ted Cruz's Father Shaped His Views On Immigration | It's All Politics - NPR, excerpts:

In an interview near his home outside Dallas, the elder Cruz says that as a teenager, he fought alongside Fidel Castro's [My note: Communist] forces to overthrow Cuba's U.S.-backed dictator, Fulgencio Batista.

[My note: Comrade Cruz] went [to Canada] after having earlier obtained political asylum in the U.S. when his student visa ran out.

got a green card, he says, and married Ted's mother, an American citizen. The two of them moved to Canada to work in the oil industry.

The elder Cruz says he renounced his Canadian citizenship when he finally became a U.S. citizen in 2005 — 48 years after leaving Cuba. Why did he take so long to do it?

"I don't know. I guess laziness, or — I don't know," he says.

Peter Spiro, a legal expert on U.S. citizenship at Temple University, says Rafael Cruz followed "sort of a zigzag path to citizenship."

Another excerpt from the article with Sen. Rafael "Ted" Cruz's concessionist views on the illegal alien invasion: "The 11 million who are here illegally would be granted legal status once the border was secured — not before — but after the border was secured, they would be granted legal status," he says.

A lot of corporate and govt entities are googling cruz father weird religious group this week after a mainstream rag mentioned it. I did an article on cruz loony father a few yrs ago and it got a lot of traffic from google queries yesterday. Ill post the screenshots later.

If you could post your article for us, as well, or a link to it, please do.

Grammar edit last sentence.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2015-03-25   1:48:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: GreyLmist (#8)

http://libertyfight.com/2014/ ted_cruz_father_religious_group_scraps_website.html

Ted Cruz's Father Rafael's Religious Group Scraps Website After Media Scrutiny

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2015-03-25   10:31:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: GreyLmist (#8)

Syracuse university, jp morgan chase. Dept of veterans affairs, US COURTS, MORGAN STANLEY, metropolotan goernment of nashville, NBC UNIVERSAL; BAYLOR COLLEGE OF MEDICINE, toronto star, bank of america,.. just yesterday.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2015-03-25   10:44:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Artisan (#10)

Syracuse university, jp morgan chase. Dept of veterans affairs, US COURTS, MORGAN STANLEY, metropolotan goernment of nashville, NBC UNIVERSAL; BAYLOR COLLEGE OF MEDICINE, toronto star, bank of america,.. just yesterday.

Gobsmacked, Artisan. Looks like libertyfight.com is well on its way amongst the jetset as a go-to place for top-notch journalism. :)

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2015-03-26   9:07:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Artisan (#9) (Edited)

http://libertyfight.com/2014/ted_cruz_father_religious_group_scraps_website.h tml

Ted Cruz's Father Rafael's Religious Group Scraps Website After Media Scrutiny

In a youtube video entitled Breakfast with OK2A - Rafael Cruz - PurifyingFire.org - Nov. 4, 2013 - Tulsa, OK, the video begins with giant red text RAFAEL CRUZ- PURIFYINGFIRE.ORG displayed. Cruz Sr. begins by defending the death penalty, [...] He then discusses Fort Hood. "No guns on an army base? how crazy can you be?" An audience member remarks "stuck on stupid," to which Cruz replies "that's right."

I'm gonna have to agree with them about the self-evident nonsensicalness of Army bases as gun-free zones. : /

A flier from Galveston Republican Women dated March 2011 states "He is the Director of Purifying Fire Ministries, sharing the Word of God in Churches in the United States, Mexico and Central America." Cruz was giving a speech titled "Before and After the Cuban Revolution." Although Cruz Sr. is oft-touted as fleeing the oppression of Fidel Castro, The Dallas Morning News revealed"But what the stumping GOP Senate candidate hadn't clarified, until asked by The Dallas Morning News this week, was that his father departed for the U.S. in 1957, more than a year before Fidel Castro came to power... Ted Cruz said his father described himself as among young teenage boys who fought Batista and allied with Castro's forces because "they didn't know Castro was a Communist, what they knew was that Batista was a cruel and oppressive dictator."

Seems highly unlikely to me that they wouldn't have suspected Castro and his guerrilla forces as Communist, since he reportedly linked up with Che Guevara in 1955 who became his second-in-command during the Cuban Revolution and is described as a Marxist revolutionary from Argentina. Link excerpt:

In 1959, Castro travelled to the United States to explain his revolution. He said, "I know what the world thinks of us, we are Communists, and of course I have said very clearly that we are not Communists; very clearly." [45]

In 1959, Castro is said to have appeared to distance himself from Che Guevara's Marxism by sending him away from Havana, which disturbed some of the other group members. If he pitched a speech like that to Cuban teenagers, before Cruz the Elder is claimed to have left there in 1957, I suppose it's slightly possible they might have believed it or a number of them did -- if they were clueless about Communism and Guevara's affiliation with it. I have to doubt at this point, though, that he was completely uninfluential with the Cuban public prior to the broadcast-launching of his February 1958, clandestine "Rebel Radio" station and radiotelephone communications between the island's rebel columns. Most probably, he had some sort of alternative "speakered" messaging system(s) in 1957, as well, and earlier.

Thanks for the path to your insightful article with video on the religious issues. Thanks even more for the many other resource selections at your superb place. Very nice cathedral-like accoustics there, too. : )

Edited for punctuation and to insert text that went missing at the paragraph above comment 1 + reworded comment 1.

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GreyLmist  posted on  2015-03-26   13:10:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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