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Title: Why I Stand With Israel
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://www.forbes.com/sites/pascale ... 07/18/why-i-stand-with-israel/
Published: Apr 6, 2015
Author: Pascal-Emmanuel Gobry
Post Date: 2015-04-06 18:43:29 by Abraham
Keywords: None
Views: 1092
Comments: 59

A great many of us pride ourselves on the subtlety of our minds, and on recognizing the complexities, both moral and practical, of the world, and this is a very good impulse.

But when this impulse is raised to the level of dogma, it risks obscuring more than it clarifies. There are some occasions–yes, few, but some–when the moral calculus is exceedingly simple.

I used to have a great personal interest in the policy detail of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. I could lecture at length on the subtleties of Camp David, Taba, the Road Map; on the different kinds of settlements; on the security barrier, its precise shape and contours; on the various UN resolutions; on the history of Fatah and Hamas. By now, like Lord Palmerston and the Schleswig-Holstein Question, I have forgotten most of the details.

What I have not forgotten is the following: the State of Israel is a democracy with the rule of law and respect for human rights (yes, imperfect, unlike the United States and Europe, which, as we all know, are perfect); demonic hatred of Jews is a real and persistent fact of history and when left unchecked it always leads to atrocities; this demonic hatred is absolutely clearly distilled into the enemies of Israel; and most, most importantly this: if tomorrow Hamas, Hizbullah and other enemies of Israel dropped their weapons, peace would break out; if tomorrow Israel dropped its weapons, a genocide would break out.

There is, there can be, no moral equivalency. Sometimes there really are Good Guys and Bad Guys.

That the Palestinians are weak and poor while Israel is comparatively strong and rich changes nothing. That Israel is often unwise and, yes, occasionally criminal, changes nothing.

To take a purposefully provocative analogy: yes, during World War II, the Allies (even excepting the Soviet Union) committed war crimes. The strategic bombing of Germany and the atom bombing of Hiroshima and Nagazaki were war crimes. Elizabeth Anscombe was right to denounce Truman. It nonetheless remains true that if you lived through World War II and pretexted of Allied crimes to portray the sides as morally equivalent, or to refuse to take sides, you were guilty of moral cretinism and cowardice.

This is a conflict where there really are Good Guys and Bad Guys and to pretend otherwise is indefensible. The chief culprit of the plight of the Palestinians is not Israel but the terrorists and fanatics who use them as tools of their ravenous bloodlust.

Golda Meir was right then, and is right now. The conflict will end when the enemies of Israel start loving their children more than they hate Israel.

Yes, it really is that simple.

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#8. To: Abraham (#0) (Edited)

I stand for Israel and have been paying close attention to President Obama's talks with Iran re an armistice on nuclear bombs and for inspections to be enforced on Iran following this treaty because we all know that Iran wants to wipe Israel off the face of this earth. Any nations and peoples who join in with Iran to wipe Israel off may as well be followers of the antichrist. This was long predicted in biblical scripture. It is true that Israel has a history of pagan worship and enraging God but Israel was long chosen by God as His people to set an example for the rest of the world to follow according to God's commandments and His elected feasts. This goes all the way back to Exodus where Moses led the Jews out of Egypt to escape their bondage from the Egyptian Pharoahs. Not all the Jews are righteous people but their biblical customs were set in stone by God for the rest of the world to observe. They even conspired to kill their own King of the Jews (Jesus Christ). Since this has all passed, the Roman Church took over when they conquered Israel and changed the Jewish feasts and observances by converting into a Gregorian Calendar rather than abiding by the Jewish calender. The difference between the two calendars is that the Jewish calendar focuses on the lunar months whereas the Gregorian calendar is one that most of Europe and the United States recognize as the calendar focused on the solar months. Even the biblical feasts dates are way off from that of the Jewish calendar. This was introduced to the people to change the Jewish feasts days to confuse the people but its true intended purpose was to mock and persecute those who still abide by the Jewish calendar and God's commandments re those feasts dates which He ordained as holy.

The true haters of the Jewish feasts and people are those who desire to wipe these people and God's laws off the face of this Earth. We are seeing this happen and when we see this happen, we know we are the last generation living in the last days on Earth.

purplerose  posted on  2015-04-06   21:49:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: purplerose (#8)

because we all know that Iran wants to wipe Israel off the face of this earth.

Are you for real?

That is pure bullshit from an Israeli MIS-translation of the former President of Iran. His words were more like "the Zionist regime should disappear from the pages of time".

Iran has NEVER in modern times attacked another nation, nor do they have any intent on doing so.

Israel wants Iran's oil, and they wish to neuter ANY country in the Middle East which poses any sort of resistance to their monopoly of power there, other than those countries who are already subjugated to US/Israeli control, such as Egypt and Saudi Arabia.

I can't believe one who has been on this forum for so long doesn't already know that.

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-04-07   13:24:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: FormerLurker (#34)

Are you for real?

That is pure bullshit from an Israeli MIS-translation of the former President of Iran. His words were more like "the Zionist regime should disappear from the pages of time".

www.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/27/israel.iran

purplerose  posted on  2015-04-07   16:35:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#41. To: purplerose (#39)

www.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/27/israel.iran

And here they admit they lied.

http://www.thegu ardian.com/world/2005/oct/27/israel.iran

The translation of the statement he made in 2005, at The World without Zionism conference in Tehran, has been the subject of dispute. A more literal translation is: "the regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time", and this is the translation we should have used (as noted in Corrections and clarifications, 28 July 2007).

Now why would you side with liars?

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-04-07 18:07:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: purplerose (#39)

antiwar.com/orig/norouzi.php?articleid=11025

"WIPED OFF THE MAP" THE RUMOR OF THE CENTURY

PnbC  posted on  2015-04-08 16:53:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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