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Title: Why I Stand With Israel
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URL Source: http://www.forbes.com/sites/pascale ... 07/18/why-i-stand-with-israel/
Published: Apr 6, 2015
Author: Pascal-Emmanuel Gobry
Post Date: 2015-04-06 18:43:29 by Abraham
Keywords: None
Views: 1124
Comments: 59

A great many of us pride ourselves on the subtlety of our minds, and on recognizing the complexities, both moral and practical, of the world, and this is a very good impulse.

But when this impulse is raised to the level of dogma, it risks obscuring more than it clarifies. There are some occasions–yes, few, but some–when the moral calculus is exceedingly simple.

I used to have a great personal interest in the policy detail of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. I could lecture at length on the subtleties of Camp David, Taba, the Road Map; on the different kinds of settlements; on the security barrier, its precise shape and contours; on the various UN resolutions; on the history of Fatah and Hamas. By now, like Lord Palmerston and the Schleswig-Holstein Question, I have forgotten most of the details.

What I have not forgotten is the following: the State of Israel is a democracy with the rule of law and respect for human rights (yes, imperfect, unlike the United States and Europe, which, as we all know, are perfect); demonic hatred of Jews is a real and persistent fact of history and when left unchecked it always leads to atrocities; this demonic hatred is absolutely clearly distilled into the enemies of Israel; and most, most importantly this: if tomorrow Hamas, Hizbullah and other enemies of Israel dropped their weapons, peace would break out; if tomorrow Israel dropped its weapons, a genocide would break out.

There is, there can be, no moral equivalency. Sometimes there really are Good Guys and Bad Guys.

That the Palestinians are weak and poor while Israel is comparatively strong and rich changes nothing. That Israel is often unwise and, yes, occasionally criminal, changes nothing.

To take a purposefully provocative analogy: yes, during World War II, the Allies (even excepting the Soviet Union) committed war crimes. The strategic bombing of Germany and the atom bombing of Hiroshima and Nagazaki were war crimes. Elizabeth Anscombe was right to denounce Truman. It nonetheless remains true that if you lived through World War II and pretexted of Allied crimes to portray the sides as morally equivalent, or to refuse to take sides, you were guilty of moral cretinism and cowardice.

This is a conflict where there really are Good Guys and Bad Guys and to pretend otherwise is indefensible. The chief culprit of the plight of the Palestinians is not Israel but the terrorists and fanatics who use them as tools of their ravenous bloodlust.

Golda Meir was right then, and is right now. The conflict will end when the enemies of Israel start loving their children more than they hate Israel.

Yes, it really is that simple.

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#8. To: Abraham (#0) (Edited)

I stand for Israel and have been paying close attention to President Obama's talks with Iran re an armistice on nuclear bombs and for inspections to be enforced on Iran following this treaty because we all know that Iran wants to wipe Israel off the face of this earth. Any nations and peoples who join in with Iran to wipe Israel off may as well be followers of the antichrist. This was long predicted in biblical scripture. It is true that Israel has a history of pagan worship and enraging God but Israel was long chosen by God as His people to set an example for the rest of the world to follow according to God's commandments and His elected feasts. This goes all the way back to Exodus where Moses led the Jews out of Egypt to escape their bondage from the Egyptian Pharoahs. Not all the Jews are righteous people but their biblical customs were set in stone by God for the rest of the world to observe. They even conspired to kill their own King of the Jews (Jesus Christ). Since this has all passed, the Roman Church took over when they conquered Israel and changed the Jewish feasts and observances by converting into a Gregorian Calendar rather than abiding by the Jewish calender. The difference between the two calendars is that the Jewish calendar focuses on the lunar months whereas the Gregorian calendar is one that most of Europe and the United States recognize as the calendar focused on the solar months. Even the biblical feasts dates are way off from that of the Jewish calendar. This was introduced to the people to change the Jewish feasts days to confuse the people but its true intended purpose was to mock and persecute those who still abide by the Jewish calendar and God's commandments re those feasts dates which He ordained as holy.

The true haters of the Jewish feasts and people are those who desire to wipe these people and God's laws off the face of this Earth. We are seeing this happen and when we see this happen, we know we are the last generation living in the last days on Earth.

purplerose  posted on  2015-04-06   21:49:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: purplerose (#8)

because we all know that Iran wants to wipe Israel off the face of this earth.

Are you for real?

That is pure bullshit from an Israeli MIS-translation of the former President of Iran. His words were more like "the Zionist regime should disappear from the pages of time".

Iran has NEVER in modern times attacked another nation, nor do they have any intent on doing so.

Israel wants Iran's oil, and they wish to neuter ANY country in the Middle East which poses any sort of resistance to their monopoly of power there, other than those countries who are already subjugated to US/Israeli control, such as Egypt and Saudi Arabia.

I can't believe one who has been on this forum for so long doesn't already know that.

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-04-07   13:24:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: FormerLurker (#34)

Iran has NEVER in modern times attacked another nation

Iran funds Hamas, Hezbollah and other terrorist groups opposed to Israel. It's clear what their intentions are.

Abraham  posted on  2015-04-07   13:49:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Abraham (#36)

Hey dumpling - did your mama and daddy teach you to lie like that - gram and grandpa too?

Hamas and Hezbollah have to defend themselves from you diabolical tribal bastards.

We all know the truth - but you just lie and lie and lie - no wonder you Jews are loathed and hated.

johnj  posted on  2015-04-07   15:04:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: johnj (#38)

In the Palestinian arena, Hezbollah helped Iran upgrade the military-terrorist infrastructure of the terrorist organizations operating in the Gaza Strip after Operation Cast Lead, mainly Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad. On the eve of Operation Pillar of Defense the terrorist organizations had many thousands of rockets, among them long-range Fajr-5 rockets manufactured in Iran (eight of which hit or were intercepted in the greater Tel Aviv area). In addition, Hezbollah encourages terrorist attacks against Israel from the Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula. During the Palestinian terrorist campaign known as the second intifada, Iran and Hezbollah provided the Palestinian terrorist organizations with financial and military support and handled terrorist squads in the Palestinian territories.

http://www.terrorism-info.org.il/en/article/20436

Abraham  posted on  2015-04-07   17:23:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Abraham (#40)

From Wiki

The Irgun (Hebrew: אִרְגּוּן; full title: הָאִרְגּוּן הַצְּבָאִי הַלְּאֻמִּי בְאֶרֶץ יִשְׂרָאֵל "The National Military Organization in the Land of Israel"), was a Zionist paramilitary group that operated in Mandate Palestine between 1931 and 1948. It was an offshoot of the older and larger Jewish paramilitary organization Haganah (Hebrew: "Defense", הגנה). When the group broke from the Haganah it became known as the Haganah Bet (Hebrew: literally "Defense 'B' " or "Second Defense", הגנה ב), or alternatively as haHaganah haLeumit (ההגנה הלאומית) or Ha'ma'amad (המעמד‎).[1] Irgun members were absorbed into the Israel Defense Forces at the start of the 1948 Arab–Israeli war. The Irgun is also referred to as Etzel (אצ"ל), an acronym of the Hebrew initials, or by the abbreviation IZL.

The Irgun policy was based on what was then called Revisionist Zionism founded by Ze'ev Jabotinsky. According to Howard Sachar, "The policy of the new organization was based squarely on Jabotinsky's teachings: every Jew had the right to enter Palestine; only active retaliation would deter the Arabs; only Jewish armed force would ensure the Jewish state".[2]

Two of the operations for which the Irgun is best known are the bombing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem on 22 July 1946 and the Deir Yassin massacre, carried out together with Lehi on 9 April 1948.

The Irgun has been viewed as a terrorist organization or organization which carried out terrorist acts.[3][4] In particular the Irgun was described as a terrorist organization by Britain,[5] the 1946 Zionist Congress[6] and the Jewish Agency.[7] Irgun's tactics appealed to a certain segment of the Jewish community that believed that any action taken in the cause of the creation of a Jewish state was justified, including terrorism.[8]

The Irgun was a political predecessor to Israel's right-wing Herut (or "Freedom") party, which led to today's Likud party.[9] Likud has led or been part of most Israeli governments since 1977.

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-04-07   18:11:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: FormerLurker (#42)

Whatever the truth about what they were, they don't exist anymore and haven't for 70 years, and were never mainstream.

Can you say the same about Hamas, Hezbollah, and their relationship with Iran?

Abraham  posted on  2015-04-07   18:15:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#44. To: Abraham (#43)

Whatever the truth about what they were, they don't exist anymore and haven't for 70 years, and were never mainstream.

The article states that Irgun transformed into the Likud party, which IS still around. They also have the Mossad. You've heard of them, right?

Can you say the same about Hamas, Hezbollah, and their relationship with Iran?

As far as I can tell, Palestinians are being treated as subhumans, sort of how Jews were treated in Nazi Germany.

Of course they'll try to resist their extermination. Anyone would.

Why don't THEY have a right to exist, eh Abe?

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-04-07 18:20:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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