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Title: Why I Stand With Israel
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URL Source: http://www.forbes.com/sites/pascale ... 07/18/why-i-stand-with-israel/
Published: Apr 6, 2015
Author: Pascal-Emmanuel Gobry
Post Date: 2015-04-06 18:43:29 by Abraham
Keywords: None
Views: 1046
Comments: 59

A great many of us pride ourselves on the subtlety of our minds, and on recognizing the complexities, both moral and practical, of the world, and this is a very good impulse.

But when this impulse is raised to the level of dogma, it risks obscuring more than it clarifies. There are some occasions–yes, few, but some–when the moral calculus is exceedingly simple.

I used to have a great personal interest in the policy detail of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. I could lecture at length on the subtleties of Camp David, Taba, the Road Map; on the different kinds of settlements; on the security barrier, its precise shape and contours; on the various UN resolutions; on the history of Fatah and Hamas. By now, like Lord Palmerston and the Schleswig-Holstein Question, I have forgotten most of the details.

What I have not forgotten is the following: the State of Israel is a democracy with the rule of law and respect for human rights (yes, imperfect, unlike the United States and Europe, which, as we all know, are perfect); demonic hatred of Jews is a real and persistent fact of history and when left unchecked it always leads to atrocities; this demonic hatred is absolutely clearly distilled into the enemies of Israel; and most, most importantly this: if tomorrow Hamas, Hizbullah and other enemies of Israel dropped their weapons, peace would break out; if tomorrow Israel dropped its weapons, a genocide would break out.

There is, there can be, no moral equivalency. Sometimes there really are Good Guys and Bad Guys.

That the Palestinians are weak and poor while Israel is comparatively strong and rich changes nothing. That Israel is often unwise and, yes, occasionally criminal, changes nothing.

To take a purposefully provocative analogy: yes, during World War II, the Allies (even excepting the Soviet Union) committed war crimes. The strategic bombing of Germany and the atom bombing of Hiroshima and Nagazaki were war crimes. Elizabeth Anscombe was right to denounce Truman. It nonetheless remains true that if you lived through World War II and pretexted of Allied crimes to portray the sides as morally equivalent, or to refuse to take sides, you were guilty of moral cretinism and cowardice.

This is a conflict where there really are Good Guys and Bad Guys and to pretend otherwise is indefensible. The chief culprit of the plight of the Palestinians is not Israel but the terrorists and fanatics who use them as tools of their ravenous bloodlust.

Golda Meir was right then, and is right now. The conflict will end when the enemies of Israel start loving their children more than they hate Israel.

Yes, it really is that simple.

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#6. To: Abraham (#0)

demonic hatred of Jews is a real and persistent fact of history and when left unchecked it always leads to atrocities

Why is it Jews have been found to be the subject of shunning throughout history?

Are they doing anything to bring this on themselves, or is it just bad luck? When it happens time and time again in various parts of the world, from many different cultures and countless generations, one should ask what the common denominator is, and it's not the people doing the hating.

I remember one phone conversation I had with Goldi-lox, a converted Jew. She told me quite sympathetically that Jews were not permitted to charge other Jews interest on loans. It occurred to me if whites did this, it would be considered racism. There is a lot of stereotyping of Jews being envious of money and power. Perhaps this is an offshoot of general Old Testament sentiment that teaches that this people, allegedly chosen of God, have a natural right to live at the expense of non-Jews, who are lessor beings. I can certainly see such a belief and a lifestyle that conforms to it, if it reaches endemic levels, being a cause for Jews to be hated.

Many ethnic groups in the US have gone though a time of being despised, such as the Irish. But eventually such groups earn their respect and place. But it seems the Jews thoughout history are never quite so successful, at least until now.

I imagine you won't respond to me on this. It's easy to believe you are paid to post here to give some positive sentiment to the Jewish cause. Maybe you aren't but it's easy for me to believe, as I believe we had one here before. And such financed PR activity is a practice carried out by not just Israel but by many different governments, each furthering their own interests...

Pinguinite  posted on  2015-04-06   21:41:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#9. To: Pinguinite (#6)

If izzy is actually paying dumplin' any shekels, he's ripping'em off.

Lod  posted on  2015-04-06 22:12:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Pinguinite, Abraham (#6)

I imagine you won't respond to me on this. It's easy to believe you are paid to post here to give some positive sentiment to the Jewish cause. Maybe you aren't but it's easy for me to believe, as I believe we had one here before. And such financed PR activity is a practice carried out by not just Israel but by many different governments, each furthering their own interests...

I believe you are correct about ol' Abe, Neil.

I'm getting weary and leery of One Note Abey's number of pro Israel posts.

christine  posted on  2015-04-07 01:05:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Pinguinite (#6)

Why is it Jews have been found to be the subject of shunning throughout history?

Historians have classified six explanations as to why people hate the Jews:

Economic — "We hate Jews because they possess too much wealth and power."

Chosen People — "We hate Jews because they arrogantly claim that they are the chosen people."

Scapegoat — "Jews are a convenient group to single out and blame for our troubles."

Deicide — "We hate Jews because they killed Jesus."

Outsiders, — "We hate Jews because they are different than us." (The dislike of the unlike.)

Racial Theory — "We hate Jews because they are an inferior race."

As we examine the explanations, we must ask — Are they the causes for anti-Semitism or excuses for Anti-Semitism? The difference? If one takes away the cause, then anti-Semitism should no longer exist. If one can show a contradiction to the explanation, it demonstrates that the "cause" is not a reason, it is just an excuse. Let's look at some contradictions:

Economic — The Jews of 17th- 20th century Poland and Russia were dirt poor, had no influence and yet they were hated.

Chosen People — a) In the late 19th century, the Jews of Germany denied "Choseness." And then they worked on assimilation. Yet, the holocaust started there. b) Christians and Moslems profess to being the "Chosen people," yet, the world and the anti-Semites tolerate them.

Scapegoat — Any group must already be hated to be an effective scapegoat. The Scapegoat Theory does not then cause anti-Semitism. Rather, anti-Semitism is what makes the Jews a convenient scapegoat target. Hitler's ranting and ravings would not be taken seriously if he said, "It's the bicycle riders and the midgets who are destroying our society."

Deicide — a) the Christian Bible says the Romans killed Jesus, though Jews are mentioned as accomplices (claims that Jews killed Jesus came several hundred years later). How come the accomplices are persecuted and there isn't an anti-Roman movement through history? b) Jesus himself said, "Forgive them [i.e., the Jews], for they know not what they do." The Second Vatican Council in 1963 officially exonerated the Jews as the killers of Jesus. Neither statement of Christian belief lessened anti-Semitism.

Outsiders — With the Enlightenment in the late 18th century, many Jews rushed to assimilate. Anti-Semitism should have stopped. Instead, for example, with the Nazis came the cry, in essence: "We hate you, not because you're different, but because you're trying to become like us! We cannot allow you to infect the Aryan race with your inferior genes."

Racial Theory — The overriding problem with this theory is that it is self-contradictory: Jews are not a race. Anyone can become a Jew – and members of every race, creed and color in the world have done so at one time or another.

Every other hated group is hated for a relatively defined reason. We Jews, however, are hated in paradoxes: Jews are hated for being a lazy and inferior race – but also for dominating the economy and taking over the world. We are hated for stubbornly maintaining our separateness – and, when we do assimilate – for posing a threat to racial purity through intermarriages. We are seen as pacifists and as warmongers; as capitalist exploiters and as revolutionary communists; possessed of a Chosen-People mentality, as well as of an inferiority complex. It seems that we just can't win.

Abraham  posted on  2015-04-07 07:55:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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