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Title: The Fall of the South: A Sesquicentennial Wake By Bill Buppert
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URL Source: http://zerogov.com/?p=3964
Published: Apr 10, 2015
Author: Bill Buppert
Post Date: 2015-04-10 12:45:59 by X-15
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“So far from engaging in a war to perpetuate slavery, I am rejoiced that slavery is abolished. I believe it will be greatly for the interests of the South. So fully am I satisfied of this, as regards Virginia especially, that I would cheerfully have lost all I have lost by the war, and have suffered all I have suffered, to have this object attained.” -Statement to John Leyburn (1 May 1870), as quoted in R. E. Lee: A Biography (1934) by Douglas Southall Freeman. On this day, 9 April in 1865, the Lincolnian project to enslave the entire nation under the yoke of Union supremacy, central planning and a country administered by national political fiat and the naked fist of government aggression prevailed. The South and the Confederacy for all it flaws died at Appomattox. Lee is often erroneously quoted as saying the following: “Governor, if I had foreseen the use those people designed to make of their victory, there would have been no surrender at Appomattox Courthouse; no sir, not by me. Had I foreseen these results of subjugation, I would have preferred to die at Appomattox with my brave men, my sword in my right hand. Supposed made to Governor Fletcher S. Stockdale (September 1870), as quoted in The Life and Letters of Robert Lewis Dabney, pp. 497-500.” No lesser literary luminaries and historians have said this is false than Douglas Southall Freeman, Shelby Dade Foote, Jr. and Bruce Catton. This appears to be historical myth-making by Mr. Dabney. My casual research and interest in Lee find this simply does not fit in his character; now there were certainly Confederate worthies who professed such sympathies. Lee is certainly one of the greatest captains of arms in the history of the West. A far more competent and talented warrior than the base incompetency and abject martial malpractice of George Washington; he joins the ranks of Douglas Haig (WWI) and Pompey (Rome) for an exaggerated sense of warrior skills untethered to reality. Lee was at the forefront of a Confederate high tide that was destroyed by the Gettysburg debacle and worsening political travails in the South as Davis tried to emulate the Sovietized system of the Union to salvage a victory. At least the South fought to fight a just war in defending their own soil from invasion. I am amused at Union apologists who claim that the South fired the first shot at Fort Sumter. Let me employ a tortured analogy; you buy a house and the owners refuse to vacate and bring friends with guns to ensure you can’t possession of your rightful property. Such was the case in Sumter where the Fort commanded the entry and exit to richest transportation hub in the south employing constant threats against the indigenous community it sat in the middle of. The War Between the States was a Second American Revolution, the last gasp of trying to unshackle the nation from the Constitutional straitjacket that extinguished liberty at every turn. Alexander Stephens, the Vice president of the Confederacy had other ideas. He is no hero of abolition nor a moral man in regards the disposition of humans in chains: “Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.” Lincoln claimed this was his only disagreement with Stephens but the curious ability of Lincoln to free all slaves outside his legal jurisdiction and maintain it within his control regime. Historian Clarence Carson has astutely commented: “It should be noted, however, that as of the moment it was issued and to the best of Lincoln’s knowledge, the proclamation did not free a single slave. It did not free a slave in Maryland, Delaware, Kentucky, Missouri, West Virginia, nor in any state or portions of a state within the Confederacy occupied by Union troops…In short, Lincoln freed only those slaves over which he had no control. No doubt that was by design.” As Al Benson Jr. notes: “What it amounted to was, that, as an effective propaganda tool, the proclamation freed only those slaves that the North had no jurisdiction over and it didn’t free any slaves over which the North had some jurisdiction.” Author Webb Garrison, a former dean of Emory University noted that: “…the Emancipation Proclamation was a war measure – not an edict issued in a dramatic move to better the lives of blacks. No one knew this better than the author of the proclamation. Nine months after it was issued, he told Salmon P. Chase ‘The original proclamation has no constitutional or legal justification except as a military measure’.” There was no major politician except Charles Sumner on either side interested in the least in emancipation much less abolition of black chattel slavery. Sumner would famously ask Lincoln: “Do you know who is at this moment the largest slaveholder in the United States?” Sumner informed Lincoln that he was the largest slaveholder because the President “holds all the slaves of the District of Columbia.” This ended on paper in 1862. This war was about slavery but not in the commonly held beliefs that permeate the nonsense about the conflict in the government school systems. This war was about the Union grasp at codifying a new kind of slavery just as awful as chattel or indentured servitude. The object was to chain tax cattle to a regime that could rob them at will and ultimately using every power at its disposal to drain a person’s resources and at worst cage and murder them when it saw fit. The essential result of the horrific conflict was to out everyone on the plantation under any Constitutionally protected” territory or state. Go guerrilla indeed, what would the future have wrought? Poster Comment: "The birth of Empire. Not a damned living soul has lived under the Constitution as it was intended in 1787-1791 – or at least as it was said to be intended."
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#5. To: X-15 (#0)
The essential result of the horrific conflict was to out everyone on the plantation under any Constitutionally protected” territory or state. The above is about all I can agree with. The author doesn't like Lee's "No, Sir, not by me" quote -- why? Even if it's true about Lee and Gettysburg, he appears to buy the notion that slavery was this huge evil deal. "The disposition of humans in chains" -- please. The point is that the entire war was the embodiment of yankee arrogance and hypocrisy and totally unnecessary. It itself is a stain much bigger and blacker on our history than slavery will ever be -- and it's really a blotch on the New England states and the covert Jew from hell they elected in 1860 and '64. Nota bene, I value a good Northerner as much as anybody and treasure the many of them who have supported the modern Southern rights movement. But they're not yankees, they're present and former Northerners -- major difference. Many of them, however, have had to work to shake off the diversity dementia most people are born with beyond Dixie's borders. The Yankee Problem in America http://archive.lewrockwell.com/wilson/wilson12.html
I got into a typical war-like debate with war on this very topic not long ago here. It was of course laden with the typical reading comprehension issues and challenges in logic that war seems to be perpetually faced with. Debating with him is like watching a dog chase its tail in circles but never catching it. Lincoln worship in this country is akin to Churchill worship in England. Both men were personally responsible for doing tremendous damage to the moral basis of their very nations, in one case terminally for an empire, in the other the forerunner of the nation that we've become and on the cusp of the destruction of a similar empire.
Lincoln worship in this country is akin to Churchill worship in England. Both men were personally responsible for doing tremendous damage to the moral basis of their very nations, in one case terminally for an empire, in the other the forerunner of the nation that we've become and on the cusp of the destruction of a similar empire. Very astute. I'd say there's no point even dialoguing with war anymore -- in some thread I asked him doggedly whether it's true he's an Obongo-loving "progressive" who was banned from here once, and he doggedly didn't say one word in response -- so even if he should do so henceforth, he's already admitted it in my book. EVERYBODY LISTEN TO YOUR FRIEND NN -- don't waste any more time debating war! What do you say we just stonewall the gliberals who come around here? Churchill worship.... anybody looked at Imprimis lately? It seems to be one big fossilized Churchill and Reagan worship cult. ewwww, GROSS! BTW, I have to agree with Cynicom's and X-15's answers to you here. "Why not firebomb Berlin, Hanover, Frankfurt, Stuttgart, etc. too then?" The Jew world order makes sense sometimes but not others. Could be the world was so shocked by Dresden they didn't want to repeat it. Remember, Nagasaki and Hiroshima happened to have unusually large Christian presence for Japan.
That's interesting, I didn't know that.
Katniss: That's interesting, I didn't know that. The Bombing of Nagasaki August 9, 1945: The Un-Censored Version the massive Cathedral was one of two Nagasaki landmarks that the Bock’s Car bombardier had been briefed on, and looking through his bomb site 31,000 feet overhead, he identified the cathedral through a break in the clouds and ordered the drop. At 11:02 am, during morning mass, Since the Cathedral was the epicenter of the blast, most Nagasaki Christians did not survive. The Bombing of Nagasaki August 9, 1945. Unwelcome Truths for Church and State The Bock’s Car crew had instructions to drop the bomb only with visual sighting. But [the city of] Kokura was clouded over. So after making three failed bomb runs [...], the plane headed for its secondary target, Nagasaki. here is one of the important points of this article: What the Japanese Imperial government could not do in over 200 years of persecution (destroy Japanese Christianity) American[s] did in 9 seconds.
THE DECISION TO BOMB HIROSHIMA & NAGASAKI - linked source at Post #45. Excerpt: Those were the words of the "Interim Committee of the Manhattan Project" in May, 1945. This was the group in charge of building the first atomic bomb. The Bombing of Nagasaki August 9, 1945: The Un-Censored Version - linked source at Post #37. Excerpt: At 11:02 am, during morning mass, Since the Cathedral was the epicenter of the blast, most Nagasaki Christians did not survive. 2 second "warning" or less: Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki - linked Wikipedia source at Post #44. Excerpts: At 11:01, a last-minute break in the clouds over Nagasaki allowed Bockscar's bombardier ... to visually sight the target as ordered. It exploded 47 seconds later ... above a tennis court halfway between the Mitsubishi Steel and Arms Works in the south and the Mitsubishi-Urakami Ordnance Works (Torpedo Works) in the north. ... nearly 3 km (1.9 mi) northwest of the planned hypocenter The Manhattan Project - U.S. Department of Energy A reference cited at the bottom of that .gov page for the Manhattan Project: Paul Saffo's essay "The Road from Trinity: Reflections on the Atom Bomb"; Intended for Nagasaki’s center, Fat Man missed its aiming point by over a mile. The third bomb of the atomic Trinity exploded in searing Pentecostal fire over the Catholic neighborhoods of Uragami. Warriors from a Christian nation had just nuked the largest cathedral in Asia. It is tempting to wonder if Nagasaki’s cloud-kami or Trinity¹s ironic ghosts had nudged the bombardier’s hand, for the geometry of the Uragami Valley also ensured that Suwa-jinja, Nagasaki’s largest Shinto shrine, was utterly untouched by the blast. Had Fat Man imploded over the intended AP [alleged Aiming Point?], Suwa-jinja would have disappeared as just so much cedar tinder in the ensuing atomic firestorm. The officially cited Saffo source and Wikipedia both assert/speculate that the Nagasaki bomb missed an unspecific target by more than a mile. But the Manhattan Project's DOE/OSTI .gov page doesn't make that claim -- just likewise shutters their array of Nagasaki targets imprecisely, spinning whatever/whomever was hit with the most force as something of a lucky break in the cloudcover by happenstance; then vaguely and indifferently alludes to a more commercial and urban residential southerly point, which would probably have greatly maximized that city's casualties and damages...unless bomb shelter occupancies and evacuation precautions were possibly arranged there in advance for high numbers of so privileged persons there, whether loudly or secretively alerted, I'd suppose hypothetically. What's evidently discernable from those sources is that the Project Management's mission objective wasn't some centralized dropzone over the city generally (e.g. landscape "geometry"/interference issue) and it wasn't to aim at a tiny tennis court or a stadium as a decidedly optimal halfway-point between the Mitsubishi facilities. Even the one that's most directly stated to have been a Pearl Harbor Attack manufacturer was reportedly upwards of 2 miles from an unidentified planned target. Reference not only the lack of any confirmation about target-missing at the Manhattan Project site (linked here above) but also: This is not to endorse Saffo's camouflaging-propaganda attempt to shift responsibility for the Nagasaki cathedral strike away from the Manhattan Project and soley onto the nation of America and its WWII flyers as an attack on Christians by Christians. Although war actions of Christians against Christians haven't been uncommon historically, the n-bombing of Japan was Manhattan Project propelled and not Christian propelled -- even though Christians were involved, among others, knowingly and willingly or not. This is for remembrance of how far removed the Manhattan Project was from Christian Concept affiliation: J. Robert Oppenheimer: "I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds." Grammar edits + formatting and to include a link for: Trinity (nuclear test) - Wikipedia
Oppenheimer and his fellow jews working on the project were feeding daily information on their progress directly to Stalin. The youngest spy was Ted Hall, jew, only 19 years olde. He was never fried and spent the rest of his worthless life in Europe.
#50. To: Cynicom (#49)
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Thanks for your input on that. I think America was held hostage by the Great Depression orchestrators until it was agreed to supply those like Oppenheimer, who wanted to develop n-weaponry, with the uranium and funding they requested. Likely they had floated their dastardly plan roundabout in Europe/Eurasia before here in the U.S. Wouldn't surprise me if Stalin knew about it before FDR did and thought it would be a grand idea for our country to become hugely indebted by that "Science Project". Saw a documentary some time ago on the Venona Papers/Project about Soviet spies within the Manhattan Project and America is still being undermined by Communism. HUAC/the House Un-American Activities Committee should not have been dissolved. Gus Hall was Chairman of the Communist Party USA. Might be they were related. Here's an article on another Communist by the last name of Hall -- an Olympic silver medalist and Dem. State of Ohio legislator (who eventually changed to the Republican Party but undoubtedly was still a Communist): Olympic medalist and spy suspect Sam Hall dies at 77 -- September 4, 2014 His father was a Mayor of Dayton and his brother, Tony Hall, a Dem. U.S. Rep. from Ohio [also a UN Ambassador, etc.], secured his release from Nicaragua where he was jailed as a spy suspect for 49 days. Edited spelling and punctuation.
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestThis war was about slavery but not in the commonly held beliefs that permeate the nonsense about the conflict in the government school systems. This war was about the Union grasp at codifying a new kind of slavery just as awful as chattel or indentured servitude. The object was to chain tax cattle to a regime that could rob them at will and ultimately using every power at its disposal to drain a person’s resources and at worst cage and murder them when it saw fit.
#7. To: NeoconsNailed (#5)
#18. To: Katniss (#7)
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I got into a typical war-like debate with war on this very topic not long ago here. It was of course laden with the typical reading comprehension issues and challenges in logic that war seems to be perpetually faced with. Debating with him is like watching a dog chase its tail in circles but never catching it.
#23. To: NeoconsNailed (#18)
Remember, Nagasaki and Hiroshima happened to have unusually large Christian presence for Japan.
#37. To: Katniss, NeoconsNailed (#23)
NeoconsNailed: Remember, Nagasaki and Hiroshima happened to have unusually large Christian presence for Japan.
Nagasaki was the most Christian city in Japan and ground zero was the largest cathedral in the Orient. [St. Mary’s, Urakami River district]
The first and only field test of an atomic bomb had been blasphemously code-named “Trinity” (a distinctly Christian term).
#48. To: All (#37)
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"It should be used without explicit warning of the nature of the bomb."
ordered the drop.
at 11:00, The Great Artiste [an observation aircraft on each mission; role: blast measurement instrumentation] dropped instruments attached to three parachutes. These instruments also contained an unsigned letter to Professor Ryokichi Sagane, a physicist at the University of Tokyo who studied with three of the scientists responsible for the atomic bomb at the University of California, Berkeley, urging him to tell the public about the danger involved with these weapons of mass destruction. The messages were found by military authorities but not turned over to Sagane until a month later.
[OSTI - Office of Scientific and Technical Information]
https://www.osti.gov/manhattan- project-history/Events/1945/nagasaki.htm At the last moment the bombardier, ... caught a brief glimpse of the city's stadium through the clouds and dropped the bomb. At 11:02 a.m. ... A small conventional raid on Nagasaki on August 1st had resulted in a partial evacuation of the city, especially of school children. There were still almost 200,000 people in the city below the bomb when it exploded. ... almost exactly between two of the principal targets in the city, the Mitsubishi Steel and Arms Works to the south, and the Mitsubishi-Urakami Torpedo Works (left) to the north. Had the bomb exploded farther south the residential and commercial heart of the city would have suffered much greater damage. ... The official Manhattan Engineer District report on the attack termed the damage to the two Mitsubishi plants "spectacular."
this is available on Paul Saffo's web site at
http://www.saffo.com/essays/
the-road-from-trinity-reflections-on-the- atom-bomb/ Chapter 3: Nagasaki - Excerpt
http://www.saffo.com/essays/
the-road-from-trinity-reflections-on-the- atom-bomb-3/ the strike damage being assesed therein as "spectacular" rather than militarily strategic ... the Allied POWs in the blast vicinities not even noticed to be worth a counting as deliberately lost and wounded (or any mention of them at all) ... and the catastrophic, ground zero civilian casualties (ironically, in a particularly Trinity Observant area: the Urakami district of Christianity) denoted very like an afterthought -- only in terms of their presumed collective lesserness as a better outcome (regardless of being a Christian Categorical ELE/Extinction Level "Event" there) than some other place closer to the more business-oriented sectors, where higher casualty and property damage factors might have computationally transmuted into a negative impact on the Manhattan Project's international-marketing goals by overly much "Shock&Awe" of the financial sort, possibly deterring prospective investors somewhat.
#49. To: GreyLmist (#48)
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J. Robert Oppenheimer:
Replies to Comment # 49. Oppenheimer and his fellow jews working on the project were feeding daily information on their progress directly to Stalin.
The youngest spy was Ted Hall, jew, only 19 years olde. He was never fried and spent the rest of his worthless life in Europe.
The [alleged] 1972 massacre of 11 Israeli Olympic athletes in Munich shocked Mr. Hall and led him to his counterterrorism [spy] activities, said his old friend Bonbright, 78.
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