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Title: Atrial Fibrillation Care: Put the Catheter (and Rx Pad) Down
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URL Source: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/842739#vp_2
Published: Apr 15, 2015
Author: Dr John Mandrola
Post Date: 2015-04-15 04:19:25 by Tatarewicz
Keywords: None
Views: 70
Comments: 1

My approach to patients with atrial fibrillation has changed. Completely and fundamentally. This is a before-and-after moment in AF care.

Before: We saw atrial fibrillation as a disease rather than seeing it as a result of other diseases. That explains why our treatments (drugs and ablation) have performed so poorly. It is a wrong-target problem. It is akin to stenting an artery and saying atherosclerosis is fixed or prescribing an antipyretic for bacterial infection.

After: Atrial fibrillation in the vast majority of patients (excluding those with brief episodes that are a form of focal atrial tachycardia) is a sign that something is awry in the body—usually exposure to an excess. The atria, with their sensitivity to stretch, neural connections, and plastic cells, are a window onto overall health.

Year after year I have watched the drugs fail and the AF return after ablation. It is a relief to (better) understand AF and to be able to cite evidence that supports the concept that the atria fibrillate for a reason. And that reason is the main therapeutic target.

You know the story. A group of researchers in Adelaide have shown—first in animal models[1,2] and now in humans [3,4]—that promoting basic health dramatically improves AF burden. Their methods and results have taught us how AF happens. Although work remains, it is clear that lifestyle diseases, via pressure- and volume-induced atrial stretch, inflammation, or neural imbalances, induce disease in and around the cells of the heart.

The coolest part about these data are that treatment of lifestyle diseases—mostly, the removal of excesses—not only reduces AF burden but also improves the structure of the heart. Even fibrosis (aka scar) can regress, which is a novel way to think about cardiac biology.

This "upstream" approach to AF is no longer a radical idea. Nearly all the leaders in cardiology agree. It changes the way doctors should treat people with AF. Namely, the idea that AF is fixable with rhythm drugs or ablation is as wrong as thinking a stent fixes atherosclerosis or that treating fever cures infection.

Before I go on, let me make a note of caution. I am not saying AF drugs or ablation have no role. They do. But their (much smaller) role now is similar to stents or beta-blockers in patients with coronary artery disease: to stabilize an acute situation or to help transiently restore regular rhythm so that patients can feel well enough to exercise and enjoy life—things that make the atria healthier.

I no longer think of an antiarrhythmic drug as long-term therapy. For instance, I cardiovert and medicate so that patients can feel well enough to exercise every day they eat. I buy time. Then patients can lose weight or address other lifestyle issues, such as sleep disorders, alcohol intake, and perhaps overexercise and overwork. This improves glucose handling, lowers blood pressure, and relieves inflammation. People start to feel better. When they come back for follow-up, I discuss stopping the rhythm drugs—because they have served their adjunctive purpose.

On the matter of stroke risk: think about what it means to improve high blood pressure, diabetes, inflammation, and hyperlipidemia. Now think what it means to do so in millions of people.

You can see how this new approach upends the role of AF ablation. It is one thing to prescribe a pill; it is yet another to deliver 60 to 80 burns to the left atrium. Recall that patients who choose AF ablation walk into the hospital the morning of the procedure. They may not be perfect, they have AF after all, but they are alive and functioning. What awaits them in the EP lab is nothing small. They will endure 2 to 3 hours of general anesthesia, vascular access in both legs, two transseptal punctures, a fluid load, and purposeful damage to the heart done in proximity to the esophagus, phrenic nerve, pulmonary veins, and the thin left atrial appendage.

And . . . that $100 000 procedure, with its (real-world) 5% to 7% risk,[5] often fails. Repeat procedures are required in one of four patients. Even when the procedure is done well, recent research [3] shows that long-term success is fivefold lower when patients do not remove excesses from their lives.

This new approach to patients with AF has significant implications for the cardiology and healthcare community.

Consider those affected:

Hospitals invest in expensive ablation labs. They have banked on the epidemic of new atrial-fibrillation patients who will "need" procedures. Recently, I did a marketing video for my hospital on AF treatment. We filmed in our EP lab, the ablation machines as the backdrop. I was excited to speak about the new discoveries in AF care. But I stammered when the interviewer asked me about the "procedures we do here." I thought to myself: we do procedures here, we do them well, we do them safely, but we are sure to do a lot fewer in the future.

Doctors—like me—have reaped the rewards of AF misthink. We are paid well to do and redo AF ablation. The financial reward for helping people help themselves pales in comparison. Yet I urge you not to blame overtreatment on fee for service. The main reasons doctors overtreat are do-something bias and the disease model of care. First, doing things is what we are taught, and it is what society expects. We might give cursory mention to lifestyle but then we rush to drugs and procedures. Second, the disease model of care tricks us into putting problems—like AF—into silos (cardiac, renal, pulmonary, etc), which we treat in isolation. So ingrained is the silo model that it has been daring to use the word holistic. As if things are not connected in the body.

Workforce needs will be disrupted. A few years ago, cardiology groups and hospitals felt like they needed more electrophysiologists to handle the epidemic of atrial fibrillation. Now it is clear that what we need more of is not people with catheter skills, but people with people skills. The painful truth is that American cities and American hospitals do not need more EP labs.

Policy makers and payers are bound to notice. Think about the billions of dollars spent to care for the millions of patients with AF. Why would any insurer pay for drugs and procedures that are doomed to fail unless lifestyle measures are addressed? I wonder whether this could be the spark that gets payers to see the value of helping people live healthier lives?

Industry will have to adjust. Imagine the boardrooms of pharmaceutical and medical device companies in the past decade: they saw atrial fibrillation as a major opportunity. We will develop drugs, catheters, and mapping systems to treat the millions of afflicted patients. What these companies should see now is that AF drugs and ablation will go the way of renal denervation—useful in very selected cases, but no gold mine.

Patients are most affected by this new discovery. Although there will be small numbers of people afflicted by fluky focal AF (a confusing fact), the vast majority of patients with AF will enjoy the best results when they and their caregivers treat the root causes. From now forward, when a patient with AF sees a doctor who recommends rhythm drugs or ablation without first exploring how that person sleeps, eats, drinks, moves, and deals with stress, it will be a signal to get another opinion. Rushing to drugs or ablation will be as wrong as prescribing antibiotics for a viral infection.

This discovery about atrial fibrillation teaches us that focal (easy) solutions for systemic diseases due to lifestyle are destined to fail. Given the rise of lifestyle-related diseases, this is a critical lesson, one we should learn sooner rather than later.

www.medscape.com/viewarticle/842739#vp_2

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Any ablated AFers agree with Dr. Mandrola? Most of my episodes have been first-aided, especially in winter, with intensely cold snow slapped to forehead and held there for 30 seconds or so. Other times a slap to the head resumes a normal beat after heart has stopped. Carotid massage sometimes works (even when a shot of adenosine didn't). The latest doc-recommended first aid is straining intensely to defecate as, if constipated. My last one required five mls of a heart beat-slowing beta blocker after shock treatment didn't work. I guess I'll have to stop staying up for C2C.

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M J 5 days ago

Mg deficiency caused by diuretics, excessive caffeine and low vegetable and fruit diets and inflammatory bowel mal-absorption syndromes (these are all common) causes atrial fibrillation. How often due physicians check Mg++ levels or raise Mg to see if intermittent atrial fibrillation stops. Atrial fib usually begins as transient episodes that are reversible spontaneously until they become more and more frequent. Are we alerting patients to this so they take preventive measures early. Mg in foods or supplements, Coenzyme Q10 supplements (or high CoQ foods = dark leafy greens with chloroplasts or meats high in mitochondria = organ meats or dark meats) can fix the problem and circumvent the biochemical toxicity of statin drugs. Increasing all the B vitamins (also depleted by diuretics, caffeine other drugs and alcohol etc) also allows myocytes to produce more energy as ATP. We misguidedly think of cardiac and vascular problems as being caused by too much contraction but actually, many of these problems are caused by limited relaxation to lower pressure and allow chamber filling to ease cardiac rhythm, work and improve output. Promoting cardiovascular relaxation with nutrients has been ignored in favor of inhibiting contraction with drugs so the problem becomes chronic by not addressing the heart of the matter (pardon the pun). If we explained this to patients and gave them a choice between eating better or being poked, prodded, ablated, shocked and billed would they chose to improve their life style to live happily until a ripe out age? I believe Dr. Mandrola's article is the most enlightened, provocative and encouraging one I have read for a long time. The response to your article (agreement and disagreement) says you have made people think and this is the first step towards progress. Thank you Dr. M.

Shirley Duckworth-Oates| Other Healthcare Provider 2 hours ago

What a powerful and articulate argument from someone on the inside who knows. Thank you for this article - it is heartening to know that those in medicine on the inside can be objective enough to admit what is going on in the medical world. Thank you, thank you for this and your honesty and integrity. I wish all those drawn to medicine, dentistry, Law, politics and all the occupations with status and money carried your integrity. You give me hope.

Namaste. 1Like Dr. Tania Nordli| Pain Management 3 hours ago

Thank you for this well written opinion piece. The skepticism for economically driven approaches applies to many areas of human health in particular complex symptoms like chronic pain. The dangerous procedures in this area include addictive drugs like opioids and marijuana and nerve ablations etc. These harmful approaches will likely abate if we doctors refuse conflicts of interest like drug company lunches/ honoraria and hone our motivational and humanistic skills.

Let's start walking out of lectures where the speaker discloses drug company honoraria until this is so obviously seen as a blatant conflict of interest that few will accept to participate. Let's pay for our own CME. Let's inspire each other with CME " continuous medical encouragement ". Where we find together creative, ethical and effective approaches. 3Like Patricia Kuvik| Other Healthcare Provider 6 hours ago

Imagine that - "the head bone's connected to the neck bone..." Etc.

"Holistic" has become a dirty word, pirated by quacks, charlatans and opportunists. But without holistic approaches in medicine we quickly develop tunnel vision. The surgeon attempts to resolve problems surgically, the internist and medical specialist looks to drugs to allay symptoms, the nutritionist fixes everything with dietary controls.

The truly holistic practitioner is a master conductor - utilizing perceptive diagnostic skills then coordinating surgical, pharmalogocal, dietary, physical therapy and psychological interventions when and where appropriate.

I've also noticed that physicians who can help their patients envision a concept of health seem happier than those who concentrate on fixing the s/six of disease.

Sadly, lifestyle change is seldom an option for that group of patients who buy in to a culture of being sick and receiving gratification from being "treated". Or that group (and their families) who see doctor visits and hospitalizations as a form of entertainment - cheaper than going to a movie nowadays. (Yes, nursing has made me cynical.) 1Like Dr. Stephen S| Cardiology, Interventional 7 hours ago

No, this isn't a before-and-after moment. We have learned a little more about atrial fibrillation, that's all. Just as we learned a little more about atrial fibrillation from the catheter ablation experience. It's all good, and it's not the final answer. We don't really get final answers in medicine very often, and this isn't one of those times.

Don't succumb to the same bias blindness that the ablators did by blithely accepting the findings of a study (or two or three) because it meets a hope or supports a theory or lines your pockets.

We humans learn in fits and starts, overshooting and undershooting the real truth with each new piece of data. Nothing wrong with that, and over time we get closer and closer to real understanding. Which is not to say that we necessarily actually get very close.

Add this last information to what came before it, stay alert and skeptical, keep on studying the problem, and we'll get somewhere.

7Like connie bednar| Other Healthcare Provider 8 hours ago

I myself experienced an episode of AF. It appeared during a bout with a food bore illness that caused sweating, increased HR and diarrhea. During this episode I went to get a beta blocker (which I was given to keep BP controlled before surgery) to reduce the heart rate. I instead took an oxycodone ( which increases my heart rate significantly) . I felt my heart go into AF. It diminished after 5 days with increased beta blocker. I was also on Coumadin . After I returned to "normal" (no AF and HR of 125/60) I requested to cease taking the Coumadin and reduce the beta blocker. My cardiologist refused to take me off the Coumadin but reduced the beta blocker significantly. After another 3 mo. of no AF and a halter monitor to confirm I did not have AF, I was reluctantly taken off the Coumadin but encouraged to continue the beta blocker at the lowest dosage. I have been on it now for a year and would also like to go off of this as my HR is low and I feel sluggish. My GP and Cardiologist agree I should be on this for life. I agree with your article as neither doctor was interested in my interpretation of why and how this happened - only that it happened and it could happen again and I may not know it is happening. I agree with this article and am now weaning my self off the beta blockers at a slow rate and will take them only if I need them. I wish more doctors would look at the whole person and lifestyles before prescribing for life. Llife style changes are very difficult but if it means getting off medication I am willing to do it. At this point I am on 1/2 tablet of 25mg Atenolol as my only medication. 2Like Kathleen Moore| Other Healthcare Provider 8 hours ago

Right on. Take the time to look at, then treat the whole patient, not just the disease. Yes it takes more time, but it's the right thing to do long term. Kathy Moore, BSN, MS, CRNA retired. 1Like Keturah Faurot| Physician Assistant 10 hours ago

Thank you for having the courage to challenge the prevailing plans for the treatment of atrial fibrillation. Cardiologists have known that lifestyle habits impact atrial fibrillation for many years now, but, in addition to the reasons you stated for not concentrating on this aspect of care, there has been a pervasive belief that patients are incapable of making meaningful changes in their lives to improve their health. Perhaps cardiac rehabilitation could be employed more broadly to help individuals become healthier. In addition, our advocacy and research funding organizations (AHA, ACC, NHLBI) can promote changes at the national, state, and community levels to support the efforts of individuals in their quest for better health. 3Like John Payatakis| Other Healthcare Provider 11 hours ago

I'm sixty years old and teach spin (indoor cycling) and yoga at the local liberal arts university wellness center. There are three things that you must manage to get the most out of the body you occupy. Stress, diet, and exercise...in that order. Western medicine is really great at fixing the human body, but is not so effective at keeping it from breaking. It's like a breath of fresh air to see that our practitioners are waking up. BRAVO Dr. Mandrola. 2Like K D| Nurse Practitioner (NP) 11 hours ago

stress and family hx is my only risk factor. medications almost killed me (pro-arrythmia w/ flecanide). First ablation almost killed me, (cardiac window saved my life) second at Mayo Jacksonville 3 years ago was fantastic. I think medical professionals are high risk d/t high levels of stress. I tried every alternative I could find, none worked. My first event was at 35 years old , pregnancy and hurricane triggered that one. Now 64 and working full time as a nurse practitioner, no fib for 3 years!!! I am healthier now than 10 years ago and very GRATEFUL for feeling well and normal sinus rythm. Like Dr. Donald Jansen| Physician 11 hours ago

These are refreshing and thouthful insights that at minimum are a reminder how our own attitude not only drives care but effects outcomes. 2Like Mardi Coleman| Health Business/Administration 11 hours ago

Does this also hold true for cardiomyopathy? Am not a doc, so might be a dumb question. But thanks for answering anyway! Like Diane Lettiere| Other Healthcare Provider 12 hours ago

What a fantastic and refreshing article !!!!!

In addition , doctors should begin to consider alternative and complimentary medicines to lifestyle changes more often than prescribing a pill ! Acupuncture has phenomenal effects on releasing ones natural endorphines and having the patient connect to ones own body. 1Like Roderic Roca| Registered Nurse (RN) 12 hours ago

Interesting! After 3 ablations and years of meds a more rational, holistic approach to AF. Like Dr. Steven Morrell| Anesthesiology 12 hours ago

I see posters mentioning aspirin almost as an alternative "anticoagulant" for use in AF. I was under the impression, especially in view of recent articles, that this is not really the case. Like Eleanor Matta| Other Healthcare Provider 17 hours ago

Interesting. Change patient views first. They don' t believe they' re being helped if they don' t get a tablet. Of course we doctors started it....pill for every ailment... Whether effective or not. 3Like azra tanrikulu| Physician Assistant 18 hours ago

Thank you so much for the writing!! 3Like Dr. Joalie Davie| Preventive Medicine 20 hours ago

There is often a knee jerk reaction to doing procedures and giving drugs for a diagnosis such as AF. This treatment fails to correct the AF if the origin is thyroid disease, hemochromatosis, or Polycythemia Vera, all these are cases I have seen. 2Like robert schrank| Dentist/Oral Health Professional 21 hours ago

Thank you! It is about time, after two ablations, years on meds and blood thinners I have an answer why I still don't feel as well as I did living with my afib! Amen. 3Like Barbara Feltman| Other Healthcare Provider 21 hours ago

If we would return to seeing exercise as medicine to be prescribed, and the short term intervention of physic therapy to teach people how to take this medication, things would improve. I love when older Midwest folk actually say they "take exercise" every day, referring to stretching, or lifting or walking or mowing the grass. Ask your patient s, do they take their prescribed pills/medications as prescribed? If yes, why? Exercise is to be taken the same way. If no, why? Is it the side effects or lack of improvement? Exercise prescription by trained health care professionals is how the side effects of poorly or inappropriately prescribed exercise is avoided. Refer to your local physical therapists. CMS wants to see improved function and QOL. PT's are the one who have the skill set and the time to help get the AF patients functioning better, with the medical support from physicians. 4Like C C| Other Healthcare Provider 22 hours ago

I was diagnosed with PAF last week after a 30 day event monitor detected it while I was lying down before sleep. I activated the sensor when I felt my heart flutter /race. I was wearing the monitor due to pre syncope and ongoing dizziness. My heart rate was in rhythm every time I sent alerts for dizziness which have been occuring with increased frequency and severity over the last year. After follow up with both my cardiologist and primary care physician, the subject of ...... What is causing my a fib? never came up. I do not have any risk factors other than high cholesterol, female and 57 years old. Cardiologist prescribed beta blocker and aspirin. I appreciate this article as I am always looking for the WHY when a change occurs rather than just treating it. I plan on taking more control over my health and make more healthy choices. Thank you! 7Like Dr. Deborah Wardly| Pediatrics, General 19 hours ago

@C C get a sleep study 3Like O S| Other Healthcare Provider 22 hours ago

Indeed, lifestyle choices affect us all in every aspect of our health, not just AF.

Research referenced by the author is well covered, but may be turned upside down within a couple of years from additional insight.

What concerns me, however, as an observer of this debate, is how the author is sounding increasingly like a convert with a missionary zeal.

JMM has an enviable pulpit for his views, and I wish for presentations that include glances to the sides for important clues that we may otherwise miss. 4Like Sonia DiSalvo| Health Business/Administration 22 hours ago

I have several relatives who have atrial fibrillation. I wonder what age range or age groups were studied to arrive at the article conclusions. How many cases were studied?

What other existing conditions such as diabetes, hardening of heart walls, or high cholesterol were considered in the research. 1Like Dr. Deborah Wardly| Pediatrics, General 19 hours ago

@Sonia DiSalvo

what causes Afib, diabetes, arteriosclerosis, and high cholesterol?

obstructive sleep apnea. 1Like Frank LeFever| Psychologist 23 hours ago

I have reason to believe that restoration of normal sinus rhythm after several years of continuous afib was due to my adding large daily doses of NAC to my prior regimen of taurine. It has been reported that those ablation procedures that worked removed large areas of fibrotic tissue, regardless of location, which provides a rationale for how the NAC worked in my case. Unfortunately, this came only after warfarin suppression of menaquinone (vitamin K-2) required replacement of a calcified aortic valve. 2Like Mark Barch| Other Healthcare Provider 23 hours ago

Excellent article. I had AF and was on medications for several years but they did little to no good. I reluctantly agreed to ablation after about 5 years of medications. While undergoing the procedure something interesting happened - the doctor doing the procedure was working on the side of the atrium where the pulmonary vein joins because in his opinion that is the focal point of AF. However, I went into AF during the procedure and he noted that the focal point was actually on the opposite side of the atrium. So, he redirected the catheter and did the ablation to the opposite side of the atrium. It took a couple of weeks but the AF is gone and I have been symptom free for 3 years. That gave me the energy to start exercising again. However, I don't deal with stress very well and my diet could be a lot better, so I think I may need to make some life-style changes based on the information provided in this article.

7Like Dr. Justin Baldwin| Internal Medicine 1 day ago

Bold article. Bravo! 6Like Dr. Varudeyam Veluswamy MD| Psychiatry/Mental Health 1 day ago

Now the question is about medications like Xarelto, Etc. May be small dose aspirin might do well. 4Like Sue Minsky| Psychologist 1 day ago

Brilliant article see Dr Caldwell Esselstyn research preventing and reversing CVD with a whole plant food diet . 3Like Dr. Steven Morrell| Anesthesiology 1 day ago

This is all very interesting. However most discussion is usually related to PAF. I came down with permanent AF about 6 months ago. It was discovered during an exam for a persistent upper respiratory infection. After 4 weeks of Eliquis I failed a flecainide cardio version. I've been on rate control with a beta blocker and diltiazem, and anticoagulated with Eliquis ever since. 59 y/o with no other contributing conditions. I feel OK on this regimen but obviously would like to be free of AF. Not sure how the ongoing discussion relates to permanent AF. 1Like Mark Barch| Other Healthcare Provider 23 hours ago

@Dr. Steven Morrell I had permanent AF and I am the same age as you. I was on various anticoagulants including aspirin, Flecainide and other antiarrhythmic meds but nothing worked - I was constantly going into and out of AF until I got to a point where I was continuously in AF. I had the ablation and it worked - 3 years later I am AF-free. However the doctor doing the procedure got a big surprise when he was doing my ablation - I went into AF on the table and he discovered the focal point was actually on the opposite side of the atrium. He redirected the catheter and now the rest is history. But I do still probably make lifestyle changes. 1Like Dr. Deborah Wardly| Pediatrics, General 19 hours ago

@Dr. Steven Morrell

what was worse with a persistent URI? your OSA. that was the trigger. you say you have no other contributing conditions, but you are 59 years old. According to Tufik et al., you have a 39% chance of NOT having OSA. next year that drops to 28% chance of NOT having OSA. if you went to Stanford, your likelihood of being diagnosed with OSA would be 30% higher. 1Like J L| Medical Student 1 day ago

1. Prevention is easier than a cure.

2. Lifestyle Modification + Ablation = Greatest success in maintaining sinus rhythm.

(Based on Legacy data for a certain population with comorbidities)

3." Lone AFib" = Still a lot to learn. 5Like B N| Health Business/Administration 1 day ago

Dr. Mandrola, Thank You!

I believe the way to treat AF as you propose will come through a change in the reimbursement for physicians and hospitals.

Sutton's Law: Because that's where the money is.

If CMS or payers reimburse a physician to educate, counsel, and follow for 6 months the modification in exercise, nutrition, stress reduction for a patient equal to the reimbursement for AF Ablations then you get to where you propose we go. After 6 months of COMPLIANCE and the patient still requires therapeutic ablation, then give the approval. If the patient is not in compliance, recycle them to another 6 months. This should be the standard for all reimbursement approvals for all providers.

Now if the hospital executives want to make money, then they should think about opening up AF Clinics where all the education, nursing, nutrition programs are accessible and tracked. Give the hospital payments to establish effective programs and cover the costs as well as bonus payments for improved outcomes. (Does that sound familiar?) The payments and reimbursements probably shouldn't be $100,000 per patient like the AF Ablation, but be revenue positive to encourage hospitals to initiate these clinics.

Oh, for those who think the patient wants a quick and simple pill or procedure solution, your thinking is misguided, regardless of how many patients have come into your office and got that solution. That was YOUR solution. The patient didn't prescribe the medication nor ablate the atrium. It was you. The patients will do what their insurance allows and what course of therapy is offered. After 6 months or a year of compliance, then they get the procedure. If they don't comply, then they can pay for it themselves. Yeah. I know what you are thinking. That sounds kind of heavy, but the species is stubborn and difficult to train to do the right thing. But they will only if you make the choices clear to them and then the patients make the decision for themselves. Not You.

3Like Dr. j w| Cardiology, General 1 day ago

BUT:

Didn't I read that Dr Mandrola is still doing atrial ablations, but less often ?

Didn't I also read that thorough ablation(s) can lead to "stiff" LA's but that "scarring" of LA's by "stretch" (causing AF) can be reversed by effective weight control and exercising ?

Please clarify these impressions for all of us 3Like Joerg Pirl| Other Healthcare Provider 1 day ago

Read the article with great interest. My AF was first diagnosed in 1996. It is clear today, that it was and still is brought on by severe stress, physical, psychological or a combo. I have been on a variety of antiarrhythmic drugs, anticoagulants, etc. For the past 8 years it is clear that all I need is an Aspirin per day and stress control. Yet the last physician, 9 months ago, still tried to put me on all kinds of drugs which I refused because, I am lucky to know better. I am a retired toxicologist. Most patients don't have that advantage.

Thank you for the excellent article. 6Like Dr. Josie Kinkade| Physician 1 day ago

Amen! Eat real food, not too much, mostly plants. Walk every day. Too bad a drug company can't patent that -- we'd have a huge push for it! 8Like anita St.| Other Healthcare Provider 1 day ago

@Dr. Josie Kinkade What a wonderful life if drug companies didn't control so much and so many...sigh... 2Like Dr. Eric Rubinstein| Psychiatry/Mental Health 1 day ago

You're right, of course, but most patients prefer magic (pills or procedures) rather than change their lifestyle. 2Like R C| Other Healthcare Provider 1 day ago

Amen.

But the notion that this ship will easily reverse once payer and payee systems notice the reduction in cost is naive. A "system" has been established, and breaking it will result in anger and denial due to the money involved.

Changing a persons lifestyle is probably the best medical therapy that could ever be given. However, it is also one of the most difficult. 2Like Marra Williams| Other Healthcare Provider 1 day ago

As a Certified Health Education Specialist (CHES), I am respectfully asking the healthcare providers to demand from their administrators that they begin to hire and include patient health educators as part of the healthcare team. I work at an academic medical center and we offer health classes and valid health education resources for our population served.

If other hospitals and healthcare agencies provided these same services, we would all educate and motivate our populations to improve their health. Health educators are taught and trained to help people change health behaviors. There is an entire field dedicated to this concern.

Health educators are also taught to use our resources. Our clinical experts are wonderful in treating patients while advancing healthcare treatments. We help your patients understand their prescriptions and treatment recommendations in a way that is meaningful to them so we can help them make a difference in their own life. Now providers, please use your resources - Certified Health Education Specialists - to help you treat your patients and improve the health of our communities served. 3Like David Olson| Health Business/Administration 1 day ago

I am a retired health care executive who has had three ablations at Cedars Sinai in Los Angeles. I was originally diagnosed in 1999, put on anticoagulants and I stopped drinking -- but not caffeine. Once my INR was in the therapeutic range, I began taking Rhythmol and resumed light drinking (5-8 glasses of wine/week). After about six weeks I spontaneously converted but it didn't last (chocolate ice cream?). In 2003 I developed atrial flutter and in May of that year my EP ablated the RA and reduced the Rhythmol dose. I remained in SR for quite some time. But, in 2006 the episodes of AF became more frequent and of longer duration. Hence, the second ablation in June of '07. That one didn't work. Two cardioversions later I went on amiodarone which I did not tolerate well at all. Finally, in November of '10 I had a third ablation and I've been in SR ever since except for occasional episodes of PACs. I've stopped anitcoagulants and take no other medications. My conclusions -- 1) the causes of AF are different with every patient; 2) Ablation is a necessary tool in the EP toolbox though probably not a first line therapy as some suggest; 3) long term anticoagulant use is bad; 4) the search for lifestyle "cause" may be long and complicated. We need to better understand the mechanism and underlying causes. In my case, I am now convinced that I possess a hypersensitivity to caffeine. But proving that to a clinician's satisfaction is a tall order. 4Like Mark Weingarden| Dentist/Oral Health Professional 1 day ago

Well said.

I am a periodontist. Our outcomes treating periodontitis when we effect lifestyle change and remove the irritants (best w/o surgery- using a periodontal endoscope) are excellent and long lasting. Surgery while ignoring the cause is the accepted approach and the supported approach by insurers. We know that these outcomes are most commonly unsatisfactory.

4Like sal mortilla| Other Healthcare Provider 1 day ago

Within the last year I underwent two procedures one for A fib one for a flutter the SVT caused by the afib no longer occurs wile I still take two control drugs the procedures so far have been effective.

My fear is coming off the drugs, but I have to agree with you that life style is a major factor.

Sal Mortilla

Retired New York state advanced emergency medical technicians. 2Like b s| Other Healthcare Provider 1 day ago

Is there any evidence that yeast infections initiate AF? 1Like Deborah Inaba| Other Healthcare Provider 1 day ago

Excellent when the physicians realize and post that excesses and lifestyle modifications are what are truly needed. Thank you for posting. Now to create a huge domino effect. I would ask physicians to WRITE THE Rx for monitored EXERCISE and monitored weight loss management. Patients cannot muster the will power to make changes alone and so look for the quick fix. It will take prescriptions for exercise and diet and handholding until they develop will as a skill.

As a clinical exercise physiologist I see what a bit of handholding and cheerleading can accomplish when the physicians refer and prescribe exercise and diet. KEEP ON!!! 7Like Dr. ROBERTO NOVOA| Surgery, Cardiothoracic 2 days ago

I could not agree more. For a while it has appeared to me that atrial fibrillation is the harbinger of bad things to come. It is in a way the result of excess and extremes that we inflict on ourselves and others. If we fail to change course the inevitable comes sooner than it needs to come. 6Like Maureen horsley| Nurse Practitioner (NP) 2 days ago

Respectfully, I concur that counseling patients on lifestyle changes IS the ideal! As a Post Masters prepared Advanced Nurse Practitioner - I was taught to PREVENT illness. Becker's Health Promotion model was the basis for several courses on Health Promotion. I work as intently as possible to counsel EVERY smoker by saying, "How can I help you quit?" And proceed to show them pictures comparing lungs, show them costs and tell them of shortened life. I encourage them to "think about this healthy, life and money saving change". What I find is our patients want "an easy fix" - many expect pills to solve their problem. I was taught AF was the "sign of other cardiac problems". I certainly hope our capitalistic "money, money, money" system allows us the opportunity to truly explain and follow up on healthy life style changes. AND GET PAID for preventing illness! 9Like Janice Baker| Registered Nurse (RN) 3 days ago

I see that the majority of responses fall into three areas - lifestyle/risk management can make a difference, it is difficult to implement and treatment with antiarrhythmics and ablation are still needed. I do not see anyone other than myself advocating or speaking to getting this diagnosis approved for cardiac rehabilitation. We know it works (see the literature) in reducing stress, changing behaviors and better outcomes. It is secondary prevention in CAD and can be as well in AF. One of the top reasons a patient will try to changeunhealthy behaviors is a strong recommendation, a prescription as it were from the physcian. You all need to prescribe and follow up on your wellness prescription for patients to take heed. If you only pay lip service to risk reduction and from the posts many of you have already concede defeat, how can you expect your patients to take you seriously? Yes we still need the current treatment strategies of medications and ablation, but we need to embrace the fact that risk reduction/lifestyle management must be part of the treatment protocol. 8Like Dr. Tien Cheng| Cardiology, General 3 days ago

I agree but watch how pundits handled the criticism when COURGE was published. Like Dr. YIHONG SUN 3 days ago

Agreed! AF as the most common arrythmia is a marker rather than a disease. 5Like Dr. David Coyle 3 days ago

Very true 3Like Dr. S N 4 days ago

In my opinion, the before and after moment in AF are:

1. For the General Cardiologist/ Internist

Before moment: ( 20 years ago) : Majority of AF is a lifestyle epiphenomenon and is thus modifiable

After moment: (2015): Majority of AF is a lifestyle epiphenomenon and is thus modifiable

2. For the electrophysiologist:

Before moment (15 years ago) : All AF can be fixed. We know it. We have 3D. We create dots. One in Two patients require more than 2 procedures and we ensure a stiff dead left atrium. We interpret secondary atrial tachycardias the best; We AFphysiologists are the MEN in the team of boys (our fellow cardiologists)

After moment (2015): Sorry my patient, the informed consent I took your signatures on before every PVI was all b(i)ased on the literature, but it was me who wrote the literature (to burn your atria and earn my private bread). Every procedure I did in the last 15 years, my soul knew that I am lying to your soul every minute. But now I have humbly realised (my mistake) and created a "'new'"piece of literature that will help you against AF (and get me fame and funds). And the new literature goes: Majority of AF is a lifestyle epiphenomenon and is thus modifiable. I will continue to ablate your PV, but if AF recurs, the blame now will be on you, and not my fault.

The before and after change has only been in the eye of the beholder!!

The good old lifestyle modification and exercise improve everything (even irritable bowel syndrome, depression, inflammatory arthritis, sleep disorders,..many more), besides the well known effects in coronary and vascular disease, heart failure (Stage A to C), diabetes, hypertension and lipids. It has been the first line recommendation to implement before or alongside any other therapy (including for AF), since the birth of wisdom medicine. It is the electrophysiologists who had put the cart before the horse.

AF is a fascinating disease and needs continued research to improve. But we should not fool our patients either.

(I am an ordinary EP who reads signals)

Robert Caplan 5 days ago

FLUKE TESTING? My AF was coincident w/dehydration (I was rappelling down a canyon in Southern California) and with NEGATIVE tests on all scans and other test of my heart function and pathology. As an AF patient who is lean, family hist. of CHD, nonsmoker, avid exerciser, on statins, borderline diabetic, would most physicians feeling confident treating my AF as a fluke? Is there a statistically reliable and valid fluke test or does "better safe than sorry" address this issue? Thanks to Dr. Mandrola for raising the issue and for the discussion. 4Like M J 5 days ago

@Robert Caplan dehydration unbalances electrolytes and causes tachycardia to raise blood pressure and these together probably explain your AF. Rehydration probably did not replace magnesium and may have washed out water soluble vitamins probably prolonging your AF. Fluke testing, looking for electrolyte changes or anything compromising the energy production in heart cells in a man strong enough to rappel down a canyon would be valuable. Healthy people as they age, can develop mineral and nutrient deficiencies by being much more active at a time when their nutrition is limited by circumstances (like out in the wild away from a kitchen or development of a bowel problem or excessive sweating draining nutrients and fluids). I am another athlete who developed AF but I fixed it with Magnesium, CoQ10 and B vitamin supplements so evidently I had some deficiencies. If I had seen a doctor, I expect they would have been ablating, anticoagulating and slowing my AV conduction which was not necessary.

1Like K P 5 days ago

So we should actively practice HEALTH care not illness care which is what is routinely practiced in the USA. Preventive medicine, TALK with the patient. You are right on the mark! 9Like Dr. j w 5 days ago

Please tell me:

1. What is the frequency of AF in (say) the average (under-nourished) native African ?

2. Why not treat all our AF patients with diuretics ?

Like M J 5 days ago

@Dr. j w Diuretics (thiazides and loop) deplete magnesium and K+ and B vitamins which increase the risk of AF and weaken the heart.

6Like David ELLER 5 days ago

STOPPING all sources of MSG and cutting alcoholic drinks back from excessive consumption both work to stop AF.

If also eating right in other ways and regular exercise do too, this can be a huge advance! 3Like anne mccann 2 days ago

@David ELLER MSG is a HUGE risk factor! 1Like K P 5 days ago

So we should actively practice HEALTH care not illness care which is what is routinely practiced in the USA. Preventive medicine, TALK with the patient. You are right on the mark! 9Like Dr. j w 5 days ago

Please tell me:

1. What is the frequency of AF in (say) the average (under-nourished) native African ?

2. Why not treat all our AF patients with diuretics ?

Like M J 5 days ago

@Dr. j w Diuretics (thiazides and loop) deplete magnesium and K+ and B vitamins which increase the risk of AF and weaken the heart. 2Like Gary Mezo 5 days ago

It seems as if the term "Holistic Cardiology" now has been justified. Specialties, down to super-subspecialties have just drilled-drilled & drilled down so far that all that they see and/or consider is the biochemistry.....John Mandrola's article is timely and, well.....way overdue. We have gotten to the medical and scientific point where we understand biochemical reactions and pathophysiology at the chemical level, but when we back-off and take a look at the "WHY" component from "50,000 feet" to see the bigger picture: "The Person" IN VIVO and IN TOTO......we realize that we don't know the WHY at that level......it's too complicated with too many moving parts. We've drilled-down as far as we can it seems. It's time to back off and take a look at the person as a WHOLE. BRAVO....Relax your Cath hand....Put down the Rx pen with "&%@$#" printed on the side......and just think about the miracle sitting across the desk from you....the one that's having episodic P.A.T.........ask them "What's going on with you in your life?" what's causing this extreme stress (maybe causing chronic catecholamine elevation - SA node trying to hyper-respond....over time developing functional extra-SA nodes that fire all at once) causing your PAT or AFib. Looking at the whole person, considering John Mandrola's suggestion.....will cure rather than palliate. "Primum Non Nocere".....Thanks for the voice of reason.....someone needs to preach this attitude to all specialties...it's time. I think most will agree. Very refreshing point of view, and wise.

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