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Title: U.S. Air Crew Shot Down over Japan Were Dissected Alive
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URL Source: http://downtrend.com/admin/u-s-air- ... d-alive?utm_source=Outbrain_C6
Published: Apr 17, 2015
Author: Downtrend
Post Date: 2015-04-17 09:14:32 by Jethro Tull
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A Japanese university has opened a museum acknowledging that its staff dissected downed American airmen while they were still alive during World War II. A gruesome display at the newly-opened museum at Kyushu University explains how eight U.S. POWs were taken to the center’s medical school in Fukuoka after their plane was shot down over the skies of Japan in May 1945. The flyers were subjected to horrific medical experiments. Doctors dissected one soldier’s brain to see if epilepsy could be controlled by surgery, and removed parts of the livers of other prisoners as part of tests to see if they would survive. Another soldier was injected with seawater, in an experiment to see if it could be used instead of sterile saline solution to help dehydration. Poster Comment: Just one small piece of the WWII Japanese war atrocities committed against American servicemen. 
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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
horrible...
Truth is still truth even if no one believes it. A lie is still a lie even if everyone believes it.
Thankfully their parents are long gone so they never knew what a cruel world they birthed their sons to face.
For sure these poor souls found
themselves inside the infamous Unit 731. The war crimes of the Japanese, altho
rarely discussed especially in Japan, were horrific.
B-29 crewmembers were told that they should expect torture/execution/etc. if forced to bail out over Japan. Unlike Germany, I think (without available historical documents to prove otherwise) American/allied POW's in Japan were facing immediate execution once Operation Olympic commenced.
#2. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
#3. To: scrapper2, christine, 4 (#2)
#4. To: Jethro Tull, Cynicom (#0)
-Alex Kurtagic
#5. To: X-15, 4 (#4)
Yes, from all I've read the Germans treated downed Americans far better than the Japanese did. Japan had not signed the Geneva Convention, so there was that.
#6. To: Jethro Tull, 4 (#5)
history of the geneva conventions -
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#7. To: X-15 (#4)
We were told same thing if shot down over Korea or Russia. A .45 was provided. We were young but there were no kids involved. B-29 crewmembers were told that they should expect torture/execution/etc. if forced to bail out over Japan.
#8. To: scrapper2 (#2) (Edited)
DON'T READ THIS. Those parents had all lived through WW1 and years of very sane warnings about getting into WW2. They willingly, giddily allowed themselves to be Jewed all over again. The dog had doggedly returned to its vomit and was calling it sirloin steak. It became a matter of shame not to sacrifice your sons, your future to fight the so-called yellow peril half a world away. When it was over, 350,000 of these youth were dead -- only the most physically and mentally perfect specimens, of course. What an impressive second act for white amerika's century of suicide! HAVA NAGILA! I told you all not to read this.
#9. To: Cynicom (#7)
No Kids Allowed when hot engine parts made from *magnesium* and high-octane gas lines are involved. Sounds like a good way to go prematurely grey just from worrying about that alone.
-Alex Kurtagic
#10. To: X-15, Jethro Tull (#9)
Full load 500 pounders, on take off gas fumes so thick you could cut with a knife, dont dare move, touch anything. Sweat or something running into your shoes, cannot communicate, do nothing. Tower finally figures you in trouble, meat wagons and fire trucks, rolling down runway. You pray a lot.
#11. To: Cynicom (#10)
On a happier note, those bomber pilots became the best airline pilots in history. After dealing with four field-maintained engines and all manner of in- flight emergencies they were already prepared for anything in civil aviation transportation. They inspired great confidence in a flying public after both wars.
-Alex Kurtagic
#12. To: X-15 (#11)
Very perceptive. I can tell you why. Nowadays they want you to be Harvard grad, multiple degrees etc etc. In yore they took farm boys with high school education, that divides into two separate classes of people. Chuck Yeager for instance. Two of the best pilots I ever flew with, never saw the insides of a college, barely made it thru high school. Check the records, of any profession, doctors have the worst accident record of any profession. those bomber pilots became the best airline pilots in history.
#13. To: Cynicom (#12)
Farm boys know how machines work, and how to keep'em working as needed. No degree necessary.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#14. To: Lod (#13)
Indeed... One of best I ever knew was from barn storming days. Fly anything with wheels on it, never had a license of any kind. Farm boys know how machines work, and how to keep'em working as needed.
#15. To: Cynicom (#12) (Edited)
Do you suppose it's because more doctors fly (have airplanes) than other folks, or what? Edit: I always heard doctors & aircraft don't mix, never knew why or just don't remember. Check the records, of any profession, doctors have the worst accident record of any profession.
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#16. To: Cynicom (#14)
Man, you must've been one hell of a pilot, I always needed wings when I was flying. ;) I was fussy that way. Nowadays, I can't even stand up without falling down, bet I'd be a really good pilot now. I was thinking about getting a motorcycle before the accident, but now I fear I'd only ride it once. Better get a cheap one if I do. And good insurance. Fly anything with wheels on it,
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#17. To: Esso (#15)
As education is added, especially doctors, they have a false sense of assurance, they can do anything that lesser mortals can do. They are in charge at all times. In aviation that can be fatal. Arrogance is a good word. Edit: I always heard doctors & aircraft don't mix, never knew why or just don't remember.
#18. To: Esso (#16)
Was not me. Was older farm boy turned plumber. He was olde before I found out he never had a license of any kind. Man, you must've been one hell of a pilot, I always needed wings when I was flying. ;) I was fussy that way.
#19. To: Cynicom (#17)
Were not the V-tailed Bonanzas marketed towards doctors?
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#20. To: Cynicom (#18)
Ah, one of the guys who actually helped eradicate diseases that the doctors & their needles took credit for. Was older farm boy turned plumber.
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#21. To: Esso (#19)
Beech Bonanza was a pilots airplane, not a doctors.
#22. To: Cynicom (#21)
A search for V-tailed Bonanza and doctors led to some interesting articles. The V-tail design gained a reputation as the "forked-tail doctor killer", due to crashes by overconfident amateur pilots with high-level skills outside aviation, fatal accidents, and inflight breakups. "Doctor killer" has sometimes been used to describe the conventional-tailed version as well.
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#23. To: Jethro Tull (#5)
Only by comparison. The Germans considered airmen as war criminals (as indeed they are) and did shoot them. OTOH they were more lenient with spies than the allies where--they did not shoot them but the allied forces did. Yes, from all I've read the Germans treated downed Americans far better than the Japanese did. Japan had not signed the Geneva Convention, so there was that.
#24. To: Ada (#23)
I never felt bad about it, still dont. Only by comparison. The Germans considered airmen as war criminals (as indeed they are)
#25. To: Cynicom (#24)
Depends on whose ox is being gored, I suppose.
#26. To: Ada (#23)
Prove to me that the Germans considered downed US airmen as "war criminals." The Germans considered airmen as war criminals
#27. To: Jethro Tull (#26)
It is apparent some people have never lived in the real world. They live in fantasy land, with tooth fairy, Santa, Easter bunny. Prove to me that the Germans considered downed US airmen as "war criminals."
#28. To: Ada (#25)
I am always interested in true life experiences concerning the military time of most anyone. Not particularly interested in imprinted brainwashing by the system. Depends on whose ox is being gored, I suppose.
#29. To: Cynicom (#28)
My Grampa was WW-2 Flight Crew for B-17's flying over The Hump. He used to tell us about the people (Japs, mostly) that were eaten by British East Africa Corp stationed in India. Poor old fella came back to The States in 1945/46 an old man. The Japanese don't owe me anything.
corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
#30. To: Dakmar (#29)
Yes they do, plenty. Anyone that pays taxes is paying to protect Japan from China/Russia. This has been so since 1945, most taxpayers are oblivious to such. Of course schools and college do not educate students these days about many things. The Japanese don't owe me anything.
#31. To: Cynicom (#30)
Let's find some Koreans and stage a cage match! :) Anyone that pays taxes is paying to protect Japan from China/Russia. This has been so since 1945, most taxpayers are oblivious to such.
corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
#32. To: Dakmar (#31)
Japanese are Koreans. Let's find some Koreans and stage a cage match! :)
#33. To: Cynicom (#32)
Uh-huh, just like I'm Scottish. Can I get ye a rabid pup missy, to dry yer tears? Japanese are Koreans.
corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
#34. To: Cynicom (#27)
They live in fantasy land, with tooth fairy, Santa, Easter bunny. I want to hear it too. That would be much more like amerikan policy from everything I've read. Just because "our boys" were whipped into a frenzy about the "evil Huns" 75 years ago doesn't mean Germans are still suitable for demonization and target practice. Countries need to grow up -- this one needs to acknowledge its own war crimes past and present if it's ever to reach its mental late teens. Prove to me that the Germans considered downed US airmen as "war criminals." It is apparent some people have never lived in the real world.
#35. To: Dakmar (#29) (Edited)
You mean because of the horrors he'd witnessed, Dak? Interesting. Are you calling all airmen war criminals in #5 above? He used to tell us about the people (Japs, mostly) that were eaten by British East Africa Corp stationed in India. Poor old fella came back to The States in 1945/46 an old man.
#36. To: Cynicom (#32)
Can I borrow your '63 Corvette?
corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
#37. To: NeoconsNailed (#35) (Edited)
Slogging it out across the Asian land-mass has never been easy, AFAICT. You mean because of the horrors he'd witnessed?
corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
#38. To: Dakmar (#37)
My FIL flew the hump; toughest duty he ever pulled. Blessed with some cheap cigars and a spot o'rye, he lived to fly many more days. RIP
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#39. To: Lod (#38)
I would have welcomed a drink too, those guys were tough. My FIL flew the hump; toughest duty he ever pulled. Blessed with some cheap cigars and a spot o'rye, he lived to fly many more days.
corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
#40. To: Esso, Cynicom (#19)
It took a doctor to afford one, still does: https://www.bonanza.org/component/aclassif/?ct=veh1&Itemid=155 The tragedy with that mix was the doctors arrogance/ego towards flying into bad weather when they should have turned back/diverted or landed to wait for the weather to pass. Plus the doctors infrequent flying led to their airman's skills atrophying. Also, as Cynicom pointed out, a Bonanza requires top piloting skills. That's not due to it being a dangerous aircraft but rather being significantly more complex than a Piper Cherokee, which is where most doctors belong.
-Alex Kurtagic
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