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Title: The Pope Rebukes Turkey—and Should Challenge America and Israel
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URL Source: http://www.theamericanconservative. ... d-do-about-america-and-israel/
Published: Apr 21, 2015
Author: PHILIP GIRALDI
Post Date: 2015-04-21 07:09:30 by Ada
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Views: 248
Comments: 7

The pontiff recognizes the Armenian genocide of a century ago, but can he do more about today's wars and injustices?

Last week Pope Francis described the slaughter of Armenians by the Ottoman Empire as “genocide,” joining France and 20 other countries in adopting that designation. The massacres and forced relocations of Armenian civilians began 100 years ago and concluded with the end of the First World War in 1918. Even Turkey’s German military advisers were appalled by what they were witnessing. Turkish historians have tended to argue that the deaths were consequences of the war itself, in which Imperial Russian armies overran predominantly Armenian regions in Eastern Anatolia, leading to a forced evacuation of a population that had allegedly greeted the invaders and was considered unreliable. Food and other resources were scarce or nonexistent along the largely arid countryside that the evacuees passed through.

Nevertheless, though wartime conditions might in part explain the scale of the deaths of civilians, there is more than enough documentary evidence to make a convincing case that Armenians far removed from the fighting were also systematically slaughtered as policy initiated by senior government officials. Not every official or Turkish soldier was part of the process, but many certainly were.

The usual Turcophobes have praised the papal pronouncement, while Ankara has recalled its ambassador from the Holy See and has expressed its anger. The Turks’ response is in part fueled by their belief that they were victims in the First World War as much as anyone, having been invaded and occupied by foreign armies during the fighting and in its aftermath. Still, while the concern of Ankara lest it be associated with a crime against humanity carried out on its soil is understandable, the intention either to kill or drive out all or most Armenians from Ottoman lands qualifies as a genocide if anything does, making it, as Pope Francis noted, the first such outrage in the 20th century. It was followed by Stalin’s starvation of the Ukrainians, the Wannsee program by the Nazis to kill or expel all European Jews, Pol Pot’s mass slaughters in Cambodia, and the horrors of Rwanda at the century’s end.

But one nevertheless has to wonder at the consequences of an ex post facto establishment of accountability for a crime that began 100 years ago in a now nonexistent political entity with victims and perpetrators who are no longer alive. When I lived in Istanbul in the 1980s I knew many Armenians well enough to be invited into their homes and attend their church services. I also knew Roman Catholics with whom I went to Mass, and had friends at the Greek Patriarchate, the Phanar. Christians were allowed to worship freely, but there was always a sense that they were being permitted to do so on sufferance and that it was a privilege rather than a right in an overwhelmingly Muslim country. I visited Istanbul again this summer, and the increase in visible Islamic religiosity was startling, so I assume that Christians are even more on edge.

Given that Christians in Turkey are still allowed to worship and associate more or less freely, Pope Francis’s declaration can only make their status somewhat more delicate, as those who see Turkey as a Muslim rather than a secular nation, including Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, will be able to play the nationalist card to make that vision a reality. The pace of the conversion of surviving historic churches into mosques will no doubt accelerate. In short, Pope Francis makes their situation more difficult in exchange for what I believe to be no actual net gain.

And then there is the essential hypocrisy of papal pronouncements. All too often the Church fails to live up to its own values. For me that occurred in dramatic fashion when Pope John Paul II conferred the appearance of Christian legitimacy on President George W. Bush by granting him four papal audiences. To his credit, the pope raised the issue of the deteriorating status of Christians in Iraq and elsewhere in the Middle East and called for peace in the region, but he did not do or say anything that might have a serious impact. If Turkey must be held accountable for massacres that took place in wartime 100 years ago, one has to wonder why the man who started a war unnecessarily, which at that point had killed scores of thousands of civilians and enabled the destruction of the ancient Christian communities in the Middle East, should be rewarded with multiple papal audiences.

I for one would have liked to have seen the pope refuse to meet with Bush or at least politely but publicly confront the president during the audience over what he had unleashed. Such a gesture could have had a real impact in the United States and just might have put the lie to the claims of success of the Iraq venture, which one still tends to hear on occasion, recently from Bush himself declaring that it brought “democracy.”

I understand that the sensitivities of the U.S. Catholic Church are important to the Holy See, and no pope would want to gratuitously contradict an American president, but it seems to me that the Church has a responsibility to bear witness as an antidote to ongoing evil backed by an assertion of Christian values. A public display of disapproval delivered to 78 million American Catholics might have served to restrain Bush-Cheney. And even if it did not, it would have been the right thing to do.

Which brings us to here and now. Concerning Pope Francis and his condemnation of Armenian genocide, I have to ask, “What have you done for me today?” The reticence of Christian organizations to get behind the Boycott, Divestments, and Sanctions (BDS) movement against Israel in an attempt to help deliver self- determination and fundamental human rights to the Palestinians has mystified me. I understand that the Catholic Church does not want to make more confrontational its interaction with the often difficult Israeli overlords of ecclesiastical properties in Jerusalem, and the Church has its own priorities in support of Christian-Jewish dialogue that it would not want to damage. There is also lurking the issue of historic anti-Semitism within the Church, but BDS is a perfect vehicle for helping to redress a current wrong. It is nonviolent, nonconfrontational, and conforms with international law. Precisely what is boycotted, divested, or sanctioned can be tailored to specific issues like settlement building. BDS seeks to establish fundamental liberties for Palestinians, including the freedom to run their own affairs either as a separate state or as part of a truly democratic Israel that grants equal rights to all.

For Catholics there is also a personal stake in what goes on in Israel, namely that the Church has an ancient physical presence in Israel and Palestine that is diminishing and under siege. The abuse of Christian clergy and laity in Israel has been widely reported, and there are 50 laws that discriminate in various ways against non-Jews. The Israeli bureaucracy de facto aids the process by refusing basic services for non-Jews, appropriating or infringing on Christian and Muslim religious sites, and systematically denying things like building permits even if there is no law that is directly applicable.

Demands to turn Israel into an increasingly apartheid-like Jewish State will have additional real-life consequences, not unlike Erdogan’s promoting Islam as the state religion in Turkey. Some Israeli politicians are on record calling for the expulsion of all Arabs or creating incentives for them to leave voluntarily. Christians, many of whom are in communion with Rome, confronted by a government hostile to their interests have already done and will continue to do the latter, emigrating to find a better life within their diaspora community overseas. The number of Catholics in Israel declined by half between 1980 and 2008. The death of the Christian community in the very land where the religion was founded ought to be of concern to the head of the Roman Catholic Church.

To be sure there will be strong resistance to any papal pronouncement in support of any element of BDS. Israelis will unleash their considerable propaganda resources to denigrate the pope, including labeling him as an anti-Semite. Indeed, other Christian groups that have supported BDS, often in a lukewarm fashion, have been so denounced, including the Presbyterians, who recently divested from three companies well known for their involvement in the Israeli- occupied territories.

Media coverage of Pope Francis’s comments on the Armenians cited his outspokenness and “sympathy for all victims.” Apart from his reference to the “state of Palestine” on a visit to the Holy Land in May, any recognition of Palestinian suffering has been rather thin gruel. One has to ask, when the Roman Catholic Church’s sympathy will be extended in tangible form to the Palestinians?

Philip Giraldi, a former CIA officer, is executive director of the Council for the National Interest.

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#1. To: Ada (#0)

Ankara has recalled its ambassador from the Holy See and has expressed its anger. The Turks’ response is in part fueled by their belief that they were victims in the First World War as much as anyone, having been invaded and occupied by foreign armies during the fighting and in its aftermath.

Turkish historians have tended to argue that the deaths were consequences of the war itself, in which Imperial Russian armies overran predominantly Armenian regions in Eastern Anatolia, leading to a forced evacuation of a population that had allegedly greeted the invaders and was considered unreliable.

Armenia - Wikipedia

Excerpts:

When World War I broke out leading to confrontation between the Ottoman Empire and the Russian Empire in the Caucasus and Persian Campaigns, the new government in Istanbul began to look on the Armenians with distrust and suspicion. This was because the [Tsarist] Imperial Russian Army contained a contingent of Armenian volunteers. ... There was local Armenian resistance in the region, developed against the activities of the Ottoman Empire. ... Although the Russian Caucasus Army of Imperial forces commanded by Nikolai Yudenich and Armenians in volunteer units and Armenian militia led by Andranik Ozanian and Tovmas Nazarbekian succeeded in gaining most of Ottoman Armenia during World War I, their gains were lost with the [Communist] Bolshevik Revolution of 1917. ... Armenia was annexed by Bolshevist Russia

Armenian Genocide - Wikipedia: Arrest and deportation of Armenian notables, April 1915

Excerpts:

On the night of 23–24 April 1915, known as Red Sunday, the Ottoman government rounded up and imprisoned an estimated 250 Armenian intellectuals and community leaders of the Ottoman capital, Constantinople, and later those in other centers, who were moved to two holding centers near Ankara.This date coincided with Allied troop landings at Gallipoli after unsuccessful Allied naval attempts to break through the Dardanelles to Constantinople in February and March 1915.

Later, the scope of the deportation was widened in order to include the Armenians in the other provinces.

The Russian Empire's response to the bombardment of its Black Sea naval ports was primarily a land campaign through the Caucasus. Early victories against the Ottoman Empire from the winter of 1914 to the spring 1915 saw significant gains of territory, including relieving the Armenian bastion resisting in the city of Van in May 1915.

On 29 May 1915, the CUP Central Committee passed the Temporary Law of Deportation ("Tehcir Law"), giving the Ottoman government and military authorization to deport anyone it "sensed" as a threat to national security.

According to Henry Theriault, while current members of Turkish society cannot be blamed morally for the destruction of Armenians, present-day Republic of Turkey, as successor state to the Ottoman Empire and as beneficiary of the wealth and land expropriations brought forth through the genocide, is responsible for reparations. [archive.org/Wayback Machine article-copy: The Global Reparations Movement and Meaningful Resolution of the Armenian Genocide" by Henry Theriault]

The Global Reparations Movement doesn't stop at the WWI era's Ottoman Empire/Turkey. That article opens with 500 years of allegations against "perpetrator societies", the bulk of which it claims are European states and settlers. To the Global Reparations Movement agendists, International Law is retroactively stretchable as far back in history as they want it to go. So, whether the case is Armenia or any other plaintiff, it doesn't matter to them that the issues predate Post WWII War Crimes courts and the United Nations or the Post WWI League of Nations. America, like Turkey, is similarly expected to pay on demand without questions or disputes and the apparent push is to suppress any protestations whatsoever as nigh unto "Holocaust Denial".

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2015-05-12   1:15:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: GreyLmist, ada (#1)

Giraldi asks some very good questions. An international group of Catholic bishops has addressed this issue, although it didn't get corporate media coverage:

Catholic Bishops condemn "Israeli occupation" & mistreatment of Palestinians; tell Jews that "use of scripture to wrongly justify injustices is not acceptable." http://libertyfight.com/2014/ Catholic_Bishops_condemn_Israeli_occupation_of_P alestine.html

... Vatican Rep. Recounts Horrors Of Gaza: "The Level Of Destruction Was Unprecedented; Palestinians Forced To Sleep In Rubble, Children Dying of Hypothermia" 1/28/15

.. http://libertyfight.com/2015/ Vatican_rep_recounts_horrors_of_Gaza_unpreceden ted_destruction.html.....

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2015-05-12   3:33:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: GreyLmist (#1)

Oh, popes and historians are only obligated to decry genocides once they're 100 years old..... it seems. News readers, however, feel they're under no obligation ever to acknowledge even the worst killfests if it doesn't suit their bosses' whims -- past ones or present. They also believe they have the luxury of creating and maintaining fake genocides on paper.

Let's not get started how popes treat this Holocaust(TM) business. Gets my blood pressure up.

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-05-12   3:47:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Artisan (#2) (Edited)

Giraldi asks some very good questions. An international group of Catholic bishops has addressed this issue, although it didn't get corporate media coverage:

Catholic Bishops condemn "Israeli occupation" & mistreatment of Palestinians; tell Jews that "use of scripture to wrongly justify injustices is not acceptable."
http://libertyfight.com/2014/
Catholic_Bishops_condemn_Israeli_occupation_of_Palestine.html

Vatican Rep. Recounts Horrors Of Gaza: "The Level Of Destruction Was Unprecedented; Palestinians Forced To Sleep In Rubble, Children Dying of Hypothermia" 1/28/15
http://libertyfight.com/2015/
Vatican_rep_recounts_horrors_of_Gaza_unprecedented_destruction.html

Thank you for posting those informative articles about the Catholic Church's concerns and efforts for Palestinians -- and for this insightful interview, too, posted at the 2nd one:

Vatican Rep. Visits Gaza :"The Level Of Destruction Was Unprecedented" - YouTube

Corporate media coverage seems to heavily favor the conflict rabble-rousings of Protestant, etc., Zionistas and the Global Reparations Movement that I linked to didn't mention the plight of Palestine at all.

Didn't know until I read it at your 2nd article that "The Pontifical Mission for Palestine was founded in 1949 by Pope Pius XII." Probably has something to do with why he's been so denigrated by bashers as "Hitler's Pope" in WWII. In January of 2009, Pope Benedict XVI attempted to repair a rift in the Catholic Church (as you know) by lifting the excommunication of the SSPX Bishops who were opposed to Vatican II, which happened to include Bishop Williamson (alleged to be Anti-Semitic). The media stormed its disapprovals about that for a while, I think until about the time he announced that June 2009-June 2010 was to be an inspirational celebration of the Priesthood as a devotional vocation of ministry. That seemed to be going rather well, I think until about the time he beatified Pope Pius the XII in December of 2009 and then it was a like a deluge of media smear-campaigning was retaliatively launched against him and Catholicism until he resigned.

Edited formatting, spelling + 3rd and last sentences of last paragraph.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2015-05-12   8:56:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Ada (#0)

BDS bump

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-05-12   9:32:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: GreyLmist (#4) (Edited)

Probably has something to do with why he's been so denigrated by bashers as "Hitler's Pope" in WWII.

You mean he wasn't Hitler's pope? What a disappointment -- the last thread we had to hang on by!!!

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-05-12   13:22:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: NeoconsNailed (#3) (Edited)

Oh, popes and historians are only obligated to decry genocides once they're 100 years old..... it seems.

Not so...afaik. Or, possibly, I just haven't heard that yet about any Popes a hundred years old.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2015-05-12   17:23:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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