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Published: Apr 30, 2015
Author: Stephen Lendman
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Putin on WW II Hardships by Stephen Lendman May 9 marks the 70th anniversary of what Russians call the Great Patriotic War - representing victory over Nazi Germany. No nation endured more and today gets less credit than Russia. Without its contribution, Hitler might have won. No one knows for sure how many Russians perished. A 1993 Russian Academy of Sciences study estimated 26.6 million. Some independent Russian researchers believe 40 million died - including combatants and civilians. Millions more suffered serious injuries. Human misery endured can't be quantified. Large parts of Russia were devastated. Many years of rebuilding and recouping were required. Americans can't imagine what Russians endured. The National WW II Museum indicates 407,000 US military deaths - around 671,000 others wounded. War didn't touch US soil. Americans old enough to remember recall minor inconveniences - including rationing gasoline and other goods needed for the war effort. Except for loved ones away at war, life was mostly normal. Conflict raged out of sight and mind. Americans today mostly ignore Victory in Europe Day (May 8, 1945) and Victory over Japan Day - August 14 and 15 when Japan's surrender was announced, or September 2 when done formally aboard the USS Missouri in Tokyo Bay. Victory Day in Moscow is special. Kremlin officials invited 68 world leaders to participate in this year's commemoration. On April 30, Putin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said around 30 world leaders confirmed their plans to attend along with heads of international organizations. Obama will be conspicuously absent. Other Western European leaders aren't coming. Angela Merkel plans arriving on May 10. She'll join Putin laying wreaths at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. All countries involved in defeating Nazi Germany were invited. They should feel obligated and honored to attend. Russia's Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova commented, saying: "Nobody in the west is even hiding that the whole issue of not coming to Russia is not based on what the population of Europe thinks about the issue, but is owing to extreme pressure from Washington." "Everyone seems to have forgotten that heads of state are there to reflect the interests of their own countries and people." "No one has asked the European veterans of the second world war whether it is right to boycott those who lost hundreds of thousands of people while saving Europe from fascism." Its headquarters moved from Berlin to Washington - threatening world peace more than ever before in world history. Putin calls Victory Day Russia's "biggest holiday." It commemorates its enormous sacrifices to defeat the scourge of fascism. Ahead of commemorations next week, Putin commented on his family's hardships during WW II - in a Russia's Pioneer magazine op-ed. He was born in October 1952, over seven years after war ended. "Frankly, father did not like even to touch this topic," he said. "Usually I would listen to the adults share their memories." "It's from these adult conversations that I drew all the information there was to know about the war, and everything that had happened to my family, although sometimes they would talk to me directly." Putin's father was a Soviet Russia submariner in the 1930s based in Sevastopol. He worked at a Leningrad military plant (today's St. Petersburg) when Nazi Germany invaded in June 1941 (Operation Barbarossa). He served at the front as a volunteer - sustained a severe leg injury. It "was a heavy one," said Putin. "He lived all his life with shell fragments in his leg that hadn't been taken out…They left the smaller bits inside so as not to fracture the bone." Putin's older brother was evacuated from Leningrad's siege. He died from diphtheria. His mother was ill close to death when his father returned home at war's end. He nursed her back to health. They lived until their late 80s. Many Putin relatives perished during wartime. His father had six brothers. Five died. "It was a disaster for the family," said Putin. "Mother also lost her relatives. I was a late child. She gave birth to me when she was 41." "Despite all this grief, misery and tragedy, they harbored no hate for the enemy, which was difficult for me to understand." "Frankly, it still is…Mother was a very kind, gentle person…She said: 'How can you hate these (German) soldiers?" "They were ordinary people who died at war too…How can you blame them? They are hard workers like us. It's just that they were sent to fight.' " "These are the words which I remember since my childhood." "There was not a family not having someone killed (in the war). There were, of course, sorrow, trouble, tragedy, but what is surprising is they did not feel hatred for their enemies." He still doesn't understand it, he added. "Everything that my parents told me about the war was true. They did not make up a single word. They did not mix up a single day." For those who lived through it, the horror can't ever be forgotten. It's madness to risk repeating what could be much worse next time. Pioneer magazine editor Andrei Kolesnikov called Putin's comments "very sincere and intimate, maybe even too intimate." "Apparently, this topic still strikes a chord with" him. For sure it does for anyone old enough to remember - especially Europeans, East Asians and North Africans experiencing it directly. Endless wars followed. Washington bears full responsibility for all major conflicts. Lunatics in charge may have WW III in mind. Humanity may not survive the onslaught. Stephen Lendman lives in Chicago. He can be reached at lendmanstephen@sbcglobal.net. His new book as editor and contributor is titled "Flashpoint in Ukraine: US Drive for Hegemony Risks WW III." http://www.claritypress.com/LendmanIII.html Visit his blog site at sjlendman.blogspot.com. Listen to cutting-edge discussions with distinguished guests on the Progressive Radio News Hour on the Progressive Radio Network. It airs three times weekly: live on Sundays at 1PM Central time plus two prerecorded archived programs.
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#1. To: Stephen Lendman (#0)
Sorry to disagree with you, Stephen. If anything, Russia needs to apologize to the other countries it's bludgeoned and the scores of millions of people it's murdered purely for being of the wrong ethnicity, religion or political persuasion. Or merely because it wanted their land! Ukraine would be an excellent place for Puttinsky to start the healing process -- by personally arranging and dedicating a monument to victims of the Holodomor, and giving back Crimea. Just think, the two emaciated white boys in the iconic photo, one sharing his gruel with the other, might even still be alive to receive Russian honors!
Perhaps Obongo could apologize to Mexico for taking Texas and offer it back to them. He can throw in California while he's at it. [Edit] And oh yeah, let's build a monument to all the Native Americans who were slaughtered by the white man. I'm sorry we don't agree on this, Form, but am sticking to my guns re Russia and Puttinskovitch.
Crimea was part of Russia since shortly after the birth of the United States. It's certainly been Russian territory much longer than most US states have been part of the US. Additionally, they have their Black Sea Fleet based there in Sevastopol, and it's been there for centuries. The odds of Russia "giving back" their base, their people, and their land to a gang of Nazis in Kiev are less than zero. The situation was stable. In view of how smaller countries have been capriciously carved up since the Congress of Vienna and many of them killed by the USSR, I'm not buying. Nobody in any forum I haunt seems to give a damn about Russia's rap sheet. At the very least they should have been required to permanently lay off Chechnya to make this heist. Wonder what the rest of the world thinks of it. Suspect Europe's feeling a touch of what they did for most of the 20th century, creeping dread.
The situation was stable. In view of how smaller countries have been capriciously carved up since the Congress of Vienna and many of them killed by the USSR, I'm not buying. Wrong. It WAS stable until the US decided to instigate, fund, and politically support neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine in their desire to overthrow their government. It is OUR government which destabilzed Ukraine and brought civil war to that country, not Russia. Nobody in any forum I haunt seems to give a damn about Russia's rap sheet. You're confusing the Soviet Union with the modern day Russian Federation. The people of Russia overthrew the communist regime and instituted a constitutional republic over two decades ago. You can't hold them responsible for the crimes of those who oppressed them. I didn't SAY Russia destabilized it. I've been saying all along that Washington did so. Russia and the USSR were one, and for all the oppression and repressions that went on the whole time, most Russians appear to have supported it after it settled in. It was after all still Mother Russia to them (Hedrick Smith's The Russians). Lots are stupidly wanting to return to the communist good old days. Russians overthrew nothing, and Jew bosses still dominate. It's not for nothing the word Slav has so much in common with slave. If Russia can be excused for the USSR's behavior, all amerika's present atrocities can too -- they happened under communist Jew supremacy, you see. Russia and Putin are horrible. AH -- don't nobody jump up and say "he's still better than Obama, dude!" TOTALLY IRRELEVANT even if true.
If Russia can be excused for the USSR's behavior, all amerika's present atrocities can too -- they happened under communist Jew supremacy, you see. If or when we form a new government, shall that new government be held responsible for the atrocities committed by the present one? Russia and Putin are horrible. AH -- don't nobody jump up and say "he's still better than Obama, dude!" TOTALLY IRRELEVANT even if true. Putin is a better leader, statesman, and president than any person we've had at the helm since JFK. Of course the neocons hate him, he stands in their way of world domination and conquest. If or when we form a new government, shall that new government be held responsible for the atrocities committed by the present one? Of course, if it's run by the same gangsters as now. It certainly would be, even if all present ones are changed out for others for cosmetic purposes. If the mafia changes its leadership, do present "made men" get their rap sheets erased? OK, even if we threw the bums out entirely and replaced them with real patriots of our own choosing, it still wouldn't erase amerika's bloodguilt and pressing need for restitution toward other countries. If I'm the only one seeing and saying this, amerika really does deserve to die. Putin is a better leader, statesman, and president than any person we've had at the helm since JFK. And like I said, it's irrelevant even if true. There's no contest going in between the Oral Office and Kremlin. But have it your way.... say he's better than Obongo. Who isn't? It doesn't get you anywhere. That plus $15 will get you across the George Washington Bridge. Of course the neocons hate him, he stands in their way of world domination and conquest. I don't know why you invoke those clods -- you may have noticed I'm not one of their biggest fans?
All I'm trying to say is that Putin is doing what is right for Russia, and what's right for the Russian people. He's not a corrupt egocentric clod like most of our past presidents of the last several decades, and truly does seem to be the only factor stopping the NWO from outright worldwide conquest, besides China. In my view, he's a decent guy who cares about his country, and is far from the "tyrant" he's portrayed to be by the western press. Extra! This just in.... whew, gotta keep up with the 4um news feed along with everything else. Stalin Billboards Go up in Crimea Ahead of Victory Day freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=176375 Isn't that wonderful? Yaaaay, Putin and "LIBERATED" Crimea. I'm sure its Ukrainian citizens are just thrilled to pour vodka for Russian military celebrating the Marxist beast's escape from the jaws of death. Know what I mean? About Ukrainians cheering former Soviet officers? Maybe some of them were even in on the USSR's 60-year crucifixion of the onetime "breadbasket of Europe".
What is he doing that's so all-fired wonderful for Russia? I don't see him organizing any seminars in free enterprise, racial and Jew reality, or Protestantism. Has he called for Rooskies to stop drinking? Believe that would be a priority somewhere near the top. On the contrary, every time you turn around he's yammering about how evil racists, anti-Semites and neo-nazis are, smear terms for the only people actually trying to keep Russia Russian. I still don't get what the point is if he's better than Obongo, W, Slick or any other sexident we've had lately. Is somebody holding a heads of state popularity contest somewhere? If so I wouldn't personally consider it relevant to anything. If that's your bent, go with it, but it doesn't help your case at all. I don't gauge my morality or competence by my next-door neighbor's but by what I know I'm supposed to be. Is this backwards? Stalin billboards, Form. Stalin billboards.
Marxists/Bolsheviks are the ones who traded Russia's entire Ukrainian region away to our World War I foes (the Central Powers: Germany, Austria-Hungary, Bulgaria, and Turkey) for recognition of their overthrow of the Russian government (that was not Communist until then) and also to stop the Central Powers from fighting on the Russian front against Communists like they had been fighting againt the Tsar's forces (which were our allies). That is how Ukraine was separated from Russia -- intended to be put under Germany's rulership. When the Allied Powers won WWI, treaties of the Central Powers were dissolved "officially" but Ukraine was not returned to Russia because it was still being run by the Communist coup (which had also caused more Allied casualties on the Western front by their supposed "peace treaty deals" with the Central Powers). Cross-referencing transcripted video (excerpts below from first 1 minute 25 seconds) at Post #6 of 4um Title: The Polar Bear Expedition: US/Allied Forces ordered into Russian Revolution/Civil War at close of WWI Wikipedia references: Treaty of Brest-Litovsk (Ukraine– Central Powers) || SFSR = Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic Treaty of Brest-Litovsk || Background Edited spelling, punctuation + first and last sentences + for additional linked references. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
The "enormous sacrifices" were due to the evil NKVD forcing Russians and conquered nationals to fight or be killed by the NKVD. V-day as biggest holiday for Russia - I can see why - that's when FDRs grand bargain with Stalin went into effect. Pity the Eastern Europeans - FDR handed them over to a Monster.
You have totally failed to make a case for the bear with the reeking human flesh between its claws. On this subject, you seem mad as a hatter and I'm not going to take it any further with you. "Russia's entire Ukrainian region" -- by your logic, Russia has the right to annex the whole place. Ukrainians make up 77.8% of the Crimean population, Russkies only 17% -- wicked pedia! This Russian infatuation is the scourge of the amerikan right wing. People are desperate to believe the bear is dead, so the flights of fancy they indulge in are mindblowing. The Politburo never had defenders among amerikan liberals in the Cold War like the Puttinskovich has in people like you. You just ignore facts and factors inconvenient to your fixation. Have the last word -- have 500 last words. Be my guest. It's totally, absolutely meaningless.
Uh, you obviously should be checking Wikipedia instead of "wicked pedia". The ethnic makeup of the population comprised the following self-reported groups (2001 census): Being that Ukraine never existed as a nation until AFTER the collapse of the Soviet Union, and Crimea was Russian territory since 1783, I'd say you're pretty much full of it. Ping to #16.
Also from WIKIPEDIA... Since the Nazis in Kiev decreed the Russian language to be illegal and could no longer be used in Ukraine, I guess they were getting ready to exterminate 77% of the Crimean population. Is it any wonder 96% of the Crimean population decided to rejoin Russia? Crimean Demographics data at #16 and #18 provided by FL. Comment excerpt from #18: That reminded me about this YouTube video of Ukrainian Draft Resistors, posted 2015-02-10 at 4um Title: Ukrainian Woman Takes down War & Draft with Honesty, Heart and Love by Southern Style Transcription at 1:26-1:35 Edited punctuation. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
OK, so in the 3 tons of research I do every day I read the Ukraine instead of the Crimea figures, but I repeat: You have totally failed to make a case for the bear with the reeking human flesh between its claws. “Russia's entire Ukrainian region" -- by your logic, Russia has the right to annex the whole place. What, you don't think they'd just love to do that too – and plan to when the times are opportune? Russia is in a state of total disgrace until it apologizes for its 60 years of murder, repression and mayhem around the world and starts making restitution for it. Maybe I'm all alone in this, but I have a historical memory that stretches waaaaay back all the way to the NINETEEN-EIGHTIES when this was still going on and was the horror and dread of much of mankind. My prescription for even a 99% Russian Crimea would be for them to go home and study up on the basic rights of people and duties of nations, and leave the region for the longsuffering Ukrainians to fill up. I'm still waiting to hear how actual Ukrainians feel about all this from Russia's promoters. In the 100 or more blog posts, columns etc. I've seen stumping for the bear and its swipe, mention of that factor is hard to impossible to come by. That's how much computer commandos in the US care about p-e-o-p-l-e over there. But even if all of Ukraine were OK with the land grab, it would only show how pervasive Patty Hearst syndrome can be in my opinion. I'm not defending the war or the draft – related but different subjects. I knew numerous refugees from the USSR's “client states” (just LOVE that expression!!) up north and can promise you that they who actually lived through this stuff would have NO use for Russia now either. Conversely, I don't remember any agitation going on for Crimea to rejoin Russia before it did.... but even if there was, I think it does the world no good for Russia to expand, and it sets a very bad precedent. And that, my good friend, is all I'm going to say about it.... in this thread.
Modern day Russia did not do the things you accuse them of. It was the Soviet Union which did those things, and that includes UKRAINE and the PEOPLE from there. That, and as much as you refuse to accept the fact Crimea has been part of RUSSIA, in other words, the Russian Empire, the Russian Soviet Republic, and NOW the Russian Federation, since 1783, it IS a fact. The ONLY reason it was ever part of the region called Ukraine is due to a questionable decision make by Nikita Khrushchev back in the 50's. From Crimea: Nikita Khrushchev’s ‘gift on a golden dish’ “The Ukrainians will, of course, be delighted if we give Crimea to them. I think we shall be able to agree it with the Russian Federation, too. It’s just that we have to be smart about how we do it all,” Khrushchev said, according to Mr Shepilov. Mr Shepilov’s predecessor as Soviet foreign minister, Vyacheslav Molotov, who was also at the meeting, said: “This proposal is, of course, wrong. But it looks like we shall have to adopt it.” The reasoning given by Khrushchev was almost word for word repeated at a session of the presidium of the Supreme Council of RSFSR on February 5, 1954, in “stirring speeches” by Mikhail Tarasov and Otto Kuusinen. The arguments came down to three points: Ukraine was nearer Crimea than Russia; the new configuration would make it easier to run the region’s economy; what difference did it make since Ukraine and Russia were parts of the same country? In the Fifties, the people of Crimea did not think of opposing the handover, largely for the reasons outlined above. Since the change was taking place in the same country, nobody noticed any difference. Many had no idea a change had occurred until they started seeing street signs in Ukrainian. Perhaps your concern should be for the thousands of EAST UKRAINE people who have been murdered this past year by your apparent buddies in Kiev. Egads! Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia have disappeared from our maps ... American troops sent over there but not to find those missing countries. Chickenhawks that didn't have to go too are generally ok with all of that. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#2. To: NeoconsNailed (#1)
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Ukraine would be an excellent place for Puttinsky to start the healing process -- by personally arranging and dedicating a monument to victims of the Holodomor, and giving back Crimea.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#3. To: FormerLurker (#2)
#4. To: NeoconsNailed (#3)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#5. To: FormerLurker (#4)
#6. To: NeoconsNailed (#5)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#7. To: FormerLurker (#6)
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#8. To: NeoconsNailed (#7)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#9. To: FormerLurker (#8)
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#10. To: NeoconsNailed (#9)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#11. To: All (#9)
#12. To: FormerLurker (#10)
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#13. To: NeoconsNailed (#11)
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Yaaaay, Putin and "LIBERATED" Crimea. I'm sure its Ukrainian citizens are just thrilled to pour vodka for Russian military celebrating the Marxist beast's escape from the jaws of death.
... the Russian Revolution ... riots led to utter chaos for the next couple of months and from the ashes of this chaos rose the Bolsheviks, a political party led by
Stalin [Lenin] ... This rise would end Tsar Alexander's reign and his brother's short reign thereafter, and the Revolution would come to an end. This rise also concerned the Allies, as the Bolsheviks would pull Russia out of the War eventually and Germany would then direct their attention on the Western Front, something the Allies couldn't afford. This ended up happening when the Bolsheviks and the Central Powers created the Treaty of Brest-Letovsk and many major concessions of land by Russia would happen. This gave up 25% of Russia's population and 75% of its natural resources.
#14. To: Stephen Lendman (#0)
Putin calls Victory Day Russia's "biggest holiday." It commemorates its enormous sacrifices to defeat the scourge of fascism.
#15. To: GreyLmist (#13)
#16. To: NeoconsNailed (#15)
Ukrainians make up 77.8% of the Crimean population, Russkies only 17% -- wicked pedia!
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#17. To: GreyLmist (#16)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#18. To: All (#16)
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According to the 2001 census, 77% of Crimean inhabitants named Russian as their native language; 11.4% – Crimean Tatar; and 10.1% – Ukrainian.[63] In 2013, however, the Crimean Tatar language was estimated to be on the brink of extinction, being taught in Crimea only in around 15 schools at that point. Turkey provided the greatest support to Ukraine, which had been unable to resolve the problem of education in their mother tongue in Crimea, by bringing the schools to a modern state.[64][65]
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#19. To: FormerLurker, Southern Style (#18)
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Since the Nazis in Kiev decreed the Russian language to be illegal and could no longer be used in Ukraine, I guess they were getting ready to exterminate 77% of the Crimean population. Is it any wonder 96% of the Crimean population decided to rejoin Russia?
"We talk Russian, Donetsk talks Russian! You had no right to take our language from us! We don't make you talk in Russian!" [Crimea issue, etc., addressed at 1:00-1:26]
#20. To: FormerLurker (#16)
#21. To: NeoconsNailed (#20)
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Russia is in a state of total disgrace until it apologizes for its 60 years of murder, repression and mayhem around the world and starts making restitution for it
Dmitry Shepilov, a future Soviet foreign minister who was at that meeting, later wrote: “Khrushchev wanted to present Ukraine with a gift on a golden dish, so that the whole republic knew how generous he was and how he cared about Ukraine’s prosperity.”
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#22. To: NeoconsNailed (#20)
My prescription for even a 99% Russian Crimea would be for them to go home and study up on the basic rights of people and duties of nations, and leave the region for the longsuffering Ukrainians to fill up.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#23. To: NeoconsNailed (#20)
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I have a historical memory that stretches waaaaay back all the way to the NINETEEN-EIGHTIES
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