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Title: Officials say more biker gang members headed to Waco; 9 confirmed dead in Twin Peaks shooting
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Waco Tribune Herald
URL Source: http://www.wacotrib.com/news/police ... e5-505a-98b4-ecbef08a2a87.html
Published: May 17, 2015
Author: Olivia Messer
Post Date: 2015-05-17 18:54:04 by X-15
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Keywords: Bandidos, Cossacks
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UPDATE, 5:00 p.m.: Officials are hearing reports and seeing evidence of many biker gang members coming into town from throughout the state. In response, police are moving some witnesses to a secure location, said Waco police Sgt. W. Patrick Swanton. Multiple police sources confirmed that the Banditos and Cossacks biker gangs were involved in Sunday’s shooting. Swanton said police have also stepped up the law enforcement presence in the area, but won’t say what else officials are doing to prepare. At least 18 people are confirmed injured, in addition to the nine confirmed dead. Most of the injured have gunshot or stab wounds, and some have suffered both. Some of those injured have been transferred to other hospitals for their own safety, Swanton said. Swanton added officials are in the process of shutting down all of Central Texas Marketplace. “We don’t feel it is safe to keep these businesses open,” Swanton said. Three additional biker gang members were arrested with weapons and taken to the McLennan County Jail on charges of engaging in organized crime. The sergeant said police will charge suspects with the most severe charges possible. There are still a large number of people being detained, he noted. “This is not something we’re playing around with,” Swanton said. “This is a major crime scene. ... It is a pretty gruesome scene.” UPDATE, 4:00 p.m.: At least nine people are confirmed dead in a shooting around noon Sunday at Twin Peaks restaurant, said Waco police Sgt. W. Patrick Swanton. All of the fatalities are members of biker gangs. No patrons, servers or law enforcement officials were killed, Swanton said. There is a very significant increase in law enforcement in McLennan County right now, Swanton said. Local, county, state and federal agencies are involved in investigations into the biker gangs. DPS and intelligence agents were working on the investigation long before today and Waco police have been aware of the inquest for more than a month, said Swanton. Twin Peaks and Don Carlos were closed down after the shooting, and witnesses are being questioned on the scene and at the police department, according to the sergeant. “The management wanted them here,” Swanton said of Twin Peaks officials. “Management knew that there were issues, and we were here, but they continued to let those groups of people into their business.” Brad Doan, general manager of the Twin Peaks at Central Texas Marketplace, said the restaurant did not have an immediate statement in response to the shootings or Swanton’s claim that Twin Peaks was not cooperative with police until after Sunday’s shootings. Doan referred all questions to Twin Peaks’ corporate management. They were unable to be immediately reached Sunday afternoon. Numerous people have been detained, but it is not clear how many people have been taken into custody. “A lot of innocent people could have been injured today,” Swanton said. “These are very dangerous, hostile criminal biker gangs.” There were at least three rival gangs on the scene when the shooting occurred, Swanton said, though he did not immediately provide the names of the gangs. At least 12 Waco officers, including a SWAT team, and other DPS troopers were at Twin Peaks or in the immediate area when the incident broke out. Waco police officers moved in and did fire rounds during the incident, Swanton said, praising their quick response. “Their action has saved lives by keeping this from spilling into a busy Sunday morning,” he said. Eight people were confirmed dead on the scene and one other at the hospital, Swanton added. Helicopters continued to fly overhead about 4 p.m., and officials asked citizens not to come near the area. ORIGINAL STORY: Multiple people were killed or injured in a shooting that started just after noon Sunday inside Twin Peaks restaurant in Central Texas Marketplace and involved two biker gangs. Officials would not immediately release information about the number of people who were either killed or injured. Police also would not immediately say if any of the injured parties were restaurant servers or patrons but said no law-enforcement officials were injured, said Waco police Sgt. W. Patrick Swanton. The altercation began inside Twin Peaks and spilled into the parking lot, Swanton said. One witness described the dangerous, chaotic scene as something akin to a war zone. “There were maybe 30 guns being fired in the parking lot, maybe 100 rounds,” said Michelle Logan, 37, who was at Twin Peaks at the time of the shooting and said she knows some of the victims. “They just opened fire.” Logan said she saw several people injured by the shooting. “There’s a lot of people in the hospital, a lot of people shot,” she said, adding that people scattered after the shooting began. The incident did not appear to be random, Logan said. “It was a set up,” she said. The meeting between the two biker gangs was being monitored by police before the incident started, Swanton said, after officials became aware that the gangs were frequenting the establishment. Swanton said management at the restaurant was not cooperative with police until after the shooting Sunday. Officers quickly had bikers at gunpoint after the altercation moved into the parking lot. Suspects were being held at bay as far from the doors of Twin Peaks as the Interstate 35 access road. Officials called the scene “secure but active” as of about 2:30 p.m. Officers said there were multiple types of weapons used, including guns, chains, knives, bats and clubs. Officers from Lacy Lakeview, the McLennan County Sheriff’s Office and multiple other agencies were on scene, as well as ambulances from as far as Limestone County. Officials locked down Don Carlos restaurant, which is next door to Twin Peaks. It was not immediately known how many people were taken into custody. Victims were taken to both Baylor Scott & White Hillcrest Medical Center and Providence Health Center. I-35 traffic has been diverted from the area. Officials would not release more information about the circumstances of the incident, or if it was related to others throughout the city. Poster Comment: Helluva shootout....it was the Bandidos MC and the Cossacks MC.
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#18. To: StraitGate (#16)
Feel free to watch :) corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
Always good to see state pride wipe out a few mexicons. GO TEXAS! “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
None of them look like anyone I would want my sister to marry.
corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
To quote an infamous American personage, "can't we all just get along?"
This would be a good time for a Ren and Stimpy video, but I am too sober. I know nothing of either the Cossacks or the Banditos, but both have gained a little of my respect by demonstrating this one simple principle: Keep It To Yerselves, Idjits! Disgusting. Liberal Intellectuals Race-Bait over Waco Biker Gang Shootout corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
Further example: a club of crotch rockets (Yamaha's/Suzuki's/Honda's/etc.) had "Abilene, TX" on their vests. The Bandidos told them that "Abilene" was OK, but to remove "TX" from their vests. The ricers complied without complaint.
Please let us know if any details emerge that either support or refute that view.
#19. To: X-15 (#17)
#20. To: X-15 (#17)
#21. To: X-15 (#17)
Bottom line: put "Texas" on your vest and the Bandidos WILL get in your face about it. If you don't remove it they will.
#22. To: X-15 (#17)
(Edited)
Bottom line: put "Texas" on your vest and the Bandidos WILL get in your face about it. If you don't remove it they will.
#23. To: Pridie Nones (#21)
-Alex Kurtagic
#24. To: X-15 (#17)
Yes, I could believe that, too. I see your point; anyone who devotes his life to membership in a motorcycle gang probably isn't a paragon of temperance. Or it was just a bunch of hot-headed bikers being themselves.
#25. To: Dakmar (#22)
If I were in a restaurant and saw both clubs enter for a 'club conference' I would leave AT ONCE. Ain't worth it to get randomly stabbed/shot as an innocent tourist.
-Alex Kurtagic
#26. To: StraitGate (#24) (Edited)
Of course not, they (1%) infict violence at the drop of a hat, over Cub Scout patches and other juvenile shit. If one punch is thrown their own club rules mandate that everybody else participate in the rodeo.
-Alex Kurtagic
#27. To: Dakmar (#18)
Thanks for the link. I'm with you on the sister sentiment; I feel sorry for any woman that marries (or otherwise takes up with) one of those vermin. A high school girlfriend's father called them "human cockroaches". Feel free to watch :)
#28. To: X-15 (#25)
There is something hinky about the restaurant, they (Fox) keep saying it had been under surveillance for months. Yeah, I'd get the hell out too, it smells like a setup. was it two gangs, or however many are required for an official summit? Does the Fox video jibe with your understanding of what happened? Like I said, hundreds of bikes in parking lot, this was not some random ironic hamburger jones. If I were in a restaurant and saw both clubs enter for a 'club conference' I would leave AT ONCE
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#29. To: Dakmar (#28)
They're always under surveillance. Two or more 1% clubs meeting causes the cops to freak out for just this reason: random violence by the hotheads is a great probability. The cops are surprised and very thankful that no civilians were hurt, they're truly looking out for the regular people in a case like this. This was the Bandidos ironing out differences with the Cossacks and the Scimitars (alleged 'puppet clubs' who do dirty work for the big clubs). Also, the Leathernecks and Los Pirados were present, and both of them claim to NOT be outlaws and to be family-oriented. Also some prospecting going on. It was just a disaster in-the-making and Twin Peaks management blew it by not banning cuts (vests). Waco PD and Texas DPS were there, in uniform and out in the open, but the bikers threw down in full view anyway. That tells about their animal mentality and disregard of ANY laws of civilization.
-Alex Kurtagic
#30. To: Dakmar (#28)
I agree that there was something much larger than just a couple of MCs happening to be there, and then things going south. It was much larger than that; what? I do not know.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#31. To: X-15 (#29) (Edited)
Sounds familiar. Since many of them are white I think we just destroyed the "no one wants me for a neighbor because the color of my skin" meme. Good job, X. Two or more 1% clubs meeting causes the cops to freak out for just this reason: random violence by the hotheads is a great probability.
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#32. To: Lod (#30) (Edited)
reservoir dogs? They were six perfect strangers assembled to pull off the perfect crime, but when their simple robbery explodes into bloody ambush, the ruthless killers realize one of them is a police informer. But which one? I agree that there was something much larger than just a couple of MCs happening to be there, and then things going south.
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#33. To: Pridie Nones (#21)
Not if that means a future of nothing but being on the supplying end of the gibsmedat. To quote an infamous American personage, "can't we all just get along?"
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#34. To: Dakmar (#31)
This goes back to 2013 in Abilene, Texas: Bandidos and Cossacks fighting in the parking lot of a restaurants (Logans Roadhouse):
-Alex Kurtagic
#35. To: Lod (#30)
Ping to my post #34
-Alex Kurtagic
#36. To: All (#22)
Ping to #22. I added the link about liberals exploiting this, it's pretty funny. Nevermind ping, starting liberal biker exploitation thread.
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#37. To: X-15, Dakmar, 4 (#35)
Interesting history and speculation, thanks guys. This one's gone crazy.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#38. To: Dakmar, X-15 (#33)
In the case of this article and my reply to X-15, there is no attempt at discussing socialism, which seems very popular today. Nope. My entire short-lived post is quite serious: these MC clubs are not friendly unless they have some sort of immediate control on membership; it is a heritage event that they celebrate and as a result, when being invaded there is trouble. It shall be the same sort of situation as the US government encourages illegal aliens in America against the citizenry. Not if that means a future of nothing but being on the supplying end of the gibsmedat.
#39. To: Lod (#37)
Feel free to read my speculation any time. That's what it's there for. Interesting history and speculation, thanks guys.
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#40. To: Pridie Nones (#38)
So you are in the "No, we can't all get along" brigade?
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#41. To: Dakmar (#40)
Who shall pay for my bullets?
#42. To: Dakmar, 4 (#40)
Sadly, the demographics of my 'hood don't qualify us for a Twin Peaks franchise; but I keep hoping that we can slide down a bit.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#43. To: Lod (#42)
I can identify several gang members in my neighborhood, who should I call?
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#44. To: Pridie Nones (#41) (Edited)
Why wouldn't you? Who shall pay for my bullets?
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#45. To: Dakmar (#44)
Don't tread on me, Dakmar. I don't care how many government grants, licenses, privileges and permits you may have from the US government. You aren't free until you eliminate the hand-outs.
#46. To: Pridie Nones, Dakmar, Lod (#38)
Outlaw bikers make for dubious neighbors. They'll spout platitudes about freedom, liberty, riding in the wind, and it's all good............until they FUCKING STEAL YOUR LAWNMOWER.
-Alex Kurtagic
#47. To: Pridie Nones (#38)
Invaded? At what point does more than 1000 dinner guests become a concern? these MC clubs are not friendly unless they have some sort of immediate control on membership; it is a heritage event that they celebrate and as a result, when being invaded there is trouble.
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#48. To: Dakmar (#47)
1000? Where do you capture that threshold?
#49. To: Pridie Nones (#45)
I cut hick'ry just to fire the stillDon't tread on me, Dakmar. I don't care how many government grants, licenses, privileges and permits you may have from the US government. You aren't free until you eliminate the hand-outs
Drink down a bottle and be ready to kill
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#50. To: Pridie Nones (#48)
However many bikes, make up your own number. :) Where do you capture that threshold?
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#51. To: Dakmar, Pridie Jones, Lod (#50)
Two outlaw bikers by themselves is my limit, any more and I walk away from the area. Your mileage my vary, it'll be less if you're on a leaking, wheezing Harley :)
-Alex Kurtagic
#52. To: X-15 (#51)
Don't get me started on the acoustic shortcomings of the V-Twin, I could go on for weeks.
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#53. To: X-15 (#46)
Funny, and true.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#54. To: Dakmar (#52)
That's the Sound of Freedumb!!!!! shortcomings of the V-Twin
-Alex Kurtagic
#55. To: Lod (#42)
Just for a little balance, my favorite tavern has a Motorcycle Club/MC right next door to it. Some sort of military veterans group. No problems at all. I was even invited to Sunday poker games - small stakes, and since they're some legitimate private club they serve adult beverages for a fair price. I enjoy poker but didn't feel right going to church and then going out to play cards and drink. A few stop in the tavern from time to time. I know them by sight and a few by name and exchange hellos. In the last year or two the other tavern across the highway went out of business. A different MC purchased it - maybe 2nd Brigade or something like that. They stay in their joint and we stay in ours and I've never heard of a single problem. They're adults 40-60 age group, not a gang by any stretch of the imagination.
#56. To: X-15 (#54)
Boooodn, Boooodn
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#57. To: Fred Mertz (#55)
Would you immediately loot your local convenience store if one of them were shot by a cop? Or would you wait to see what happened? These are the important social questions, as I see them.
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#58. To: Dakmar (#57)
No. I live in a rural area and the convenience stores are in gas stations. They seem to be about 4 or 5 miles apart from each other, now that I think about it. I know many of the workers and customers. I really don't get the purpose of your questions.
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