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Title: 'Moon rock' given to Holland by Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin is fake
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URL Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/sci ... g-and-Buzz-Aldrin-is-fake.html
Published: May 24, 2015
Author: The Telegraph
Post Date: 2015-05-24 13:11:54 by christine
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Views: 2505
Comments: 87

Curators at Amsterdam's Rijksmuseum, where the rock has attracted tens of thousands of visitors each year, discovered that the "lunar rock", valued at £308,000, was in fact petrified wood.

Xandra van Gelder, who oversaw the investigation, said the museum would continue to keep the stone as a curiosity.

"It's a good story, with some questions that are still unanswered," she said. "We can laugh about it."

The rock was given to Willem Drees, a former Dutch leader, during a global tour by Neil Armstrong, Michael Collins and Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin following their moon mission 50 years ago.

J. William Middendorf, the former American ambassador to the Netherlands, made the presentation to Mr Drees and the rock was then donated to the Rijksmuseum after his death in 1988.

"I do remember that Drees was very interested in the little piece of stone. But that it's not real, I don't know anything about that," Mr Middendorf said.

Nasa gave moon rocks to more than 100 countries following lunar missions in 1969 and the 1970s.

The United States Embassy in The Hague is carrying out an investigation into the affair.

Researchers Amsterdam's Free University were able to tell at a glance that the rock was unlikely to be from the moon, a conclusion that was borne out by tests.

"It's a nondescript, pretty-much-worthless stone," said Frank Beunk, a geologist involved in the investigation.

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#3. To: christine (#0)

Gee...maybe the moon landing was faked after all as a number of people keep claiming.

Tatarewicz  posted on  2015-05-24   22:36:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Tatarewicz (#3)

Gee...maybe the moon landing was faked after all as a number of people keep claiming.

well it is questionable how the rocket thruster of egale one can land on the moon without leaving a blast crater underneath it... i mean on earth a rocket propelled deceleration blasts everything in its path out of the way but i guess the moon has special rules .... just like most government things.

titorite  posted on  2015-05-24   22:57:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: titorite (#4)

Well, the wit and wisdom are really flowing on this page -- a gas. Yeah, I'm calling fraud on the moon walk. This rock business technically doesn't prove anything but it sure wouldn't look good in a court of law!

Anybody want to chew the fat on this? Nice colorful page full of accusations. Kubrick's widow would be a coup and probably realer than Orwell's ;daughter by a good bit.

My Husband Directed The Fake Moon Landing Says Stanley Kubrick's Widow.

Why indeed so glum, lifeless, sloppy: Apollo astronauts press conference

There's no way to answer that question as things stand now, but you know, if people had trained as astronauts, made the grade for the first moon flight ever, and then been ordered to go along with a hoax and keep mum about it or expect to die..... the above is exactly how I'd think such men would act.

In the text below the screen there, a question I can't remember debunkers taking on thus far -- "If we did go to the moon back then, then why did we never go back?" Hey, this was supposedly the absolute pinnacle of all known human achievements since time began, and maybe the biggest reason ever that the rest of the world was supposed to bow down before amerika's incomparable greatness and excellency.

Why do I find it utterly impossible to believe that no 1960s technology would have allowed us to go to the moon anyway? Am I just a natural-born heretic, or what?

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-05-25   2:58:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: NeoconsNailed (#6)

Why do I find it utterly impossible to believe that no 1960s technology would have allowed us to go to the moon anyway? Am I just a natural-born heretic, or what?

Yes, you are a natural-born heretic.

The Saturn V rocket was an awesome marvel of science and engineering. Some of the smartest people in the world worked on the Apollo project, including Wernher Magnus Maximilian, Freiherr von Braun.

How come "we" never went back? According to NASA, they landed men on the moon in 6 different Apollo flights between 1969 and 1972.

But that was a pretty weird press conference; no doubt about it. ???

StraitGate  posted on  2015-05-25   3:32:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: StraitGate, All (#7)

First of all, it's Werner Von Braun, not Freiherr von Braun. Not sure what your point is.

We never did go to the moon. Several of those top German scientists stated shortly before we supposedly went that we were nowhere close to going.

NN: Why do I find it utterly impossible to believe that no 1960s technology would have allowed us to go to the moon anyway? Am I just a natural-born heretic, or what?

The technology did not allow us to go to the moon. Many said so at the time and were hushed, including the three "collateral damage" astronauts that cooked in that pre-liftoff capsule fire in one "failed" mission.

The simple reason why we "cannot" go back to the moon, even with a relatively insignificant cost unmanned vehicle, is because there's absolutely no way to recreate the scene.

It's not there, flags, cars, capule bases, etc. The southwestern landscape that was used to film it no doubt has been drastically altered by an atmosphere that exists here on earth but not on the moon.

So we will never see a trip back unless it's completely computerized. Who knows, maybe they're working on that now.

It's quite simple. There's no doubt that if it were real, with our infatuation with ourselves as a nation, we'd have sent 20th, 30th, 40th anniversary revisits, at least with unmanned vehicles. Seriously, if we really did it in '69, then HTF difficult or expensive would it be to send a simple unmanned up there to photograph it.

Answer: Not difficult or expensive at all.

About 15 years ago Japan was supposed to launch one up, but that was quashed. Coincidence? Hardly.

Katniss  posted on  2015-05-25   13:57:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Katniss (#8)

Not sure what your point is. ... The technology did not allow us to go to the moon.

My point is that in 1969 some pretty awesome technology did exist. What evidence do you have that such technology did not allow us to go to the moon?

Engineers knew how to propel the spacecraft beyond the earth's gravitational field after orbiting the earth, and they could calculate where the moon would be when the spacecraft reached it. They had spent decades and billions and billions of dollars with thousands of engineers and scientists researching, developing, and testing all of the various required systems -- propulsion, navigation, communications, life support, etc.

Lots of people were surprised when the Soviet Union shot down a U-2 spy plane flying at 70,000 feet in 1960.

I remember watching television during the first moon landing. The picture of the "lunar landing" on the TV was captioned "Simulated Image", and looked like it could have been filmed in New Mexico or West Texas. But that per se doesn't mean that that the lunar landing didn't take place.

Who were these several top German scientists who stated shortly before we supposedly went that we were nowhere close to going?

Are you serious that the reason you are so certain that man never made it to the moon is because the US government hasn't sent anniversary revisits, at least with unmanned vehicles? I really don't see how that proves that all the supposed moon landings were hoaxes.

StraitGate  posted on  2015-05-25   18:41:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: StraitGate (#15)

Who were these several top German scientists who stated shortly before we supposedly went that we were nowhere close to going?

Are you serious that the reason you are so certain that man never made it to the moon is because the US government hasn't sent anniversary revisits, at least with unmanned vehicles? I really don't see how that proves that all the supposed moon landings were hoaxes.

This is something that I researched a good 10 years ago, maybe more, to ad nauseum.

There were a number of pivotal people that just months prior to the missions said that it could not be done and laughed it off.

Also, I think it was Armstrong that has pretty much gone into hiding as it were to avoid media appearances over it.

I also mentioned the three burned to death, you didn't mention them. Coincidence that it happened?

You can spend your time doing all the research I did, I don't have time (or desire) to do it again, I didn't save it or compile my findings. I approached it objectively and with an entirely open mind, and much as with 9II I came to the conclusion that it was hokey.

If they can pull off 9II, OKC, FF war starting things, a simple trip to the moon which is out of sight and unverifiable by just about everyone isn't out of the question by a long shot.

Also, Russians were astonished and said that they never could make it. They always copied us back in the day.

Anyway, sounds like a good project for you in your independent study.

This is the one link I saved for whatever reason;

http://shatteringthematrix.com/profiles/blogs/my-husband-directed-the-fake?xg_source=activity#.VWPctkbMKJ8

Here's a quick YT search of hoax documentaries;

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=moon+landing+hoax+documentary+

Here's the one I think I watched that got me thinking;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj5r3jXhV2Q

Katniss  posted on  2015-05-25   22:45:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Katniss (#27)

Anyway, sounds like a good project for you in your independent study.

Fair enough. I'll take a look at the links you supplied.

Thanks.

StraitGate  posted on  2015-05-25   23:49:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: StraitGate (#33)

Fair enough. I'll take a look at the links you supplied.

Thanks.

You're welcome!

I can't afford to spend tons of time on this, but if you need an assist or have a question, feel free to ping me.

Katniss  posted on  2015-05-25   23:52:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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