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Title: 'Moon rock' given to Holland by Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin is fake
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URL Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/sci ... g-and-Buzz-Aldrin-is-fake.html
Published: May 24, 2015
Author: The Telegraph
Post Date: 2015-05-24 13:11:54 by christine
Keywords: None
Views: 4107
Comments: 87

Curators at Amsterdam's Rijksmuseum, where the rock has attracted tens of thousands of visitors each year, discovered that the "lunar rock", valued at £308,000, was in fact petrified wood.

Xandra van Gelder, who oversaw the investigation, said the museum would continue to keep the stone as a curiosity.

"It's a good story, with some questions that are still unanswered," she said. "We can laugh about it."

The rock was given to Willem Drees, a former Dutch leader, during a global tour by Neil Armstrong, Michael Collins and Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin following their moon mission 50 years ago.

J. William Middendorf, the former American ambassador to the Netherlands, made the presentation to Mr Drees and the rock was then donated to the Rijksmuseum after his death in 1988.

"I do remember that Drees was very interested in the little piece of stone. But that it's not real, I don't know anything about that," Mr Middendorf said.

Nasa gave moon rocks to more than 100 countries following lunar missions in 1969 and the 1970s.

The United States Embassy in The Hague is carrying out an investigation into the affair.

Researchers Amsterdam's Free University were able to tell at a glance that the rock was unlikely to be from the moon, a conclusion that was borne out by tests.

"It's a nondescript, pretty-much-worthless stone," said Frank Beunk, a geologist involved in the investigation.

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#3. To: christine (#0)

Gee...maybe the moon landing was faked after all as a number of people keep claiming.

Tatarewicz  posted on  2015-05-24   22:36:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Tatarewicz (#3)

Gee...maybe the moon landing was faked after all as a number of people keep claiming.

well it is questionable how the rocket thruster of egale one can land on the moon without leaving a blast crater underneath it... i mean on earth a rocket propelled deceleration blasts everything in its path out of the way but i guess the moon has special rules .... just like most government things.

titorite  posted on  2015-05-24   22:57:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: titorite (#4)

Well, the wit and wisdom are really flowing on this page -- a gas. Yeah, I'm calling fraud on the moon walk. This rock business technically doesn't prove anything but it sure wouldn't look good in a court of law!

Anybody want to chew the fat on this? Nice colorful page full of accusations. Kubrick's widow would be a coup and probably realer than Orwell's ;daughter by a good bit.

My Husband Directed The Fake Moon Landing Says Stanley Kubrick's Widow.

Why indeed so glum, lifeless, sloppy: Apollo astronauts press conference

There's no way to answer that question as things stand now, but you know, if people had trained as astronauts, made the grade for the first moon flight ever, and then been ordered to go along with a hoax and keep mum about it or expect to die..... the above is exactly how I'd think such men would act.

In the text below the screen there, a question I can't remember debunkers taking on thus far -- "If we did go to the moon back then, then why did we never go back?" Hey, this was supposedly the absolute pinnacle of all known human achievements since time began, and maybe the biggest reason ever that the rest of the world was supposed to bow down before amerika's incomparable greatness and excellency.

Why do I find it utterly impossible to believe that no 1960s technology would have allowed us to go to the moon anyway? Am I just a natural-born heretic, or what?

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-05-25   2:58:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: NeoconsNailed (#6)

Why do I find it utterly impossible to believe that no 1960s technology would have allowed us to go to the moon anyway? Am I just a natural-born heretic, or what?

Yes, you are a natural-born heretic.

The Saturn V rocket was an awesome marvel of science and engineering. Some of the smartest people in the world worked on the Apollo project, including Wernher Magnus Maximilian, Freiherr von Braun.

How come "we" never went back? According to NASA, they landed men on the moon in 6 different Apollo flights between 1969 and 1972.

But that was a pretty weird press conference; no doubt about it. ???

StraitGate  posted on  2015-05-25   3:32:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: StraitGate, All (#7)

First of all, it's Werner Von Braun, not Freiherr von Braun. Not sure what your point is.

We never did go to the moon. Several of those top German scientists stated shortly before we supposedly went that we were nowhere close to going.

NN: Why do I find it utterly impossible to believe that no 1960s technology would have allowed us to go to the moon anyway? Am I just a natural-born heretic, or what?

The technology did not allow us to go to the moon. Many said so at the time and were hushed, including the three "collateral damage" astronauts that cooked in that pre-liftoff capsule fire in one "failed" mission.

The simple reason why we "cannot" go back to the moon, even with a relatively insignificant cost unmanned vehicle, is because there's absolutely no way to recreate the scene.

It's not there, flags, cars, capule bases, etc. The southwestern landscape that was used to film it no doubt has been drastically altered by an atmosphere that exists here on earth but not on the moon.

So we will never see a trip back unless it's completely computerized. Who knows, maybe they're working on that now.

It's quite simple. There's no doubt that if it were real, with our infatuation with ourselves as a nation, we'd have sent 20th, 30th, 40th anniversary revisits, at least with unmanned vehicles. Seriously, if we really did it in '69, then HTF difficult or expensive would it be to send a simple unmanned up there to photograph it.

Answer: Not difficult or expensive at all.

About 15 years ago Japan was supposed to launch one up, but that was quashed. Coincidence? Hardly.

Katniss  posted on  2015-05-25   13:57:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Katniss (#8)

A+

and isn't just oh-so convenient that all of the film from the moon walk was lost?

christine  posted on  2015-05-25   18:50:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: christine, StraitGate (#17)

and isn't just oh-so convenient that all of the film from the moon walk was lost?

Yeah, isn't it.

Ever see the footage of the men hopping around on the moon slowed down?

Also, just one of many of the hundreds if not thousands of vids out there, this one's new to me and hysterical;

Katniss  posted on  2015-05-25   22:55:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Katniss (#29)

In the video, it's pretty clear to me that the astronaut on the left is holding on to the right hand of the astronaut on the right, and gets a pull-up (and a pitch-up spin) from him (notwithstanding the video's assertion that the other astronaut isn't even touching him). The astronaut on the left also pushes himself up from the ground with his right hand. The moon's gravity is only 17% that of earth's, so that impulse, along with the hand hold pull-up from his partner, would easily allow him to get upright without violating any of the laws of physics.

I'm not saying that there isn't any evidence disproving a lunar landing; all I'm saying is this ain't it.

StraitGate  posted on  2015-05-25   23:46:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: StraitGate (#32)

The moon's gravity is only 17% that of earth's, so that impulse, along with the hand hold pull-up from his partner, would easily allow him to get upright without violating any of the laws of physics.

Why the struggle to get up initially and the request for help?

Think big picture here, not everything in its own little microcosm.

Also, I've been down this road before and why, when the astronauts seem to be leaping about on the surface, why they're not leaping 4, 5, or more feet into the air based on what you said.

Explanation: Packs weigh 200 lbs.

OK, something's not adding up somewhere.

Katniss  posted on  2015-05-25   23:51:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Katniss (#35)

Explanation: Packs weigh 200 lbs.

That would be like wearing 24 gallons of water. Hard to imagine.

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-05-26   0:02:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: NeoconsNailed, StraitGate (#37)

That would be like wearing 24 gallons of water. Hard to imagine.

That's correct, and it's one among hundreds of data points making that even less plausible than 9II.

And while apologists for the OFT talk about how that was possible on the moon, what about inside the capsule and getting down that ladder? Doesn't look as if they have/had the same issues.

Another critical data point is that one money shot of "the earth" from the capsule, but then "unofficial" footage shows that it was simply a shot of the ocean while in orbit. Factor in all of the "green screen news" these days, and it's hardly a far-fetched notion that there was world-class hanky-panky going on.

Here's one link with the greater search link below it, and I've seen one where they remove everything and it's clear that there merely in orbit above the earth. But the main question is why? Why would they do this given that it was completely unnecessary if it were all real.

And let's not forget, that they could easily disprove a good chunk of "conspiracy-theory-ism" by simply sending an unmanned vehicle to the moon to rove around and take pics in hi-def for the world to scrutinize. I'm guessing that at best they'd look like the laughable footage of what they claim is a 757 hitting the Pentacon.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=window+shot+of+earth+from+moon+rockets+fake

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