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Title: Waco witness: ‘It was a setup from start to finish’
Source: The Dallas Morning News
URL Source: http://www.dallasnews.com/news/stat ... setup-from-start-to-finish.ece
Published: May 24, 2015
Author: Wire Reports
Post Date: 2015-05-25 12:51:36 by X-15
Keywords: Waco, Bandidos, Cossacks
Views: 1017
Comments: 34

WACO — Richie was the first to die, then Diesel, then Dog.

Whatever else they were in life, the men with the biker nicknames were Cossacks, loud and proud and riders in a Texas motorcycle gang. And that’s what got them killed, shot to death in a brawl with a rival gang in the parking lot of a Texas “breastaurant” that advertised hot waitresses and cold beer.

“I saw the first three of our guys fall, and we started running,” said their brother-in-arms, another Cossack, who said he was there a week ago when the shooting started at the Twin Peaks restaurant.

The Cossack, president of a North Texas chapter of the motorcycle gang, asked not to be identified because he is in hiding and said he fears for his life. He is a rare eyewitness speaking publicly about the Waco shootings, one of the worst eruptions of biker-gang violence in U.S. history.

Since last week’s violence, Waco police have offered few conclusions in their investigation. But they have said that the violence was touched off when an uninvited group, presumed to be the Cossacks, showed up at a meeting of a larger confederation of motorcycle clubs dominated by the Bandidos.

In several interviews in recent days, the Cossacks rider offered a different story. He said the Cossacks were invited to the Twin Peaks patio that day — by a Bandido leader, who offered to make peace in a long-running feud between the two gangs. That invitation was a setup for an ambush, though, according to the Cossack. That’s why the dead included six Cossacks, one Scimitar (an ally of the Cossacks) and only two Bandidos.

The biker’s story could not be independently verified; most of those involved in the shootout are still in jail. But significant parts of his account square with police statements, as well as security camera videos obtained by The Associated Press.

The biker culture has unwritten rules that everybody in its world knows and has predictable consequences for stepping out of line.

So when a biker from the Bandidos, the oldest gang in Texas and one of the largest in the world, ran into a young Cossack in the Twin Peaks parking lot last Sunday, everyone knew what was coming. First words, then fists, then guns. Within seconds, Richie, Diesel and Dog were dead.

“I took off,” the Cossacks rider said. “I got out of there. I didn’t have a weapon. I couldn’t fight anybody.”

At odds for years

It started with a phone call.

About a week before the gunfight, according to the Cossack, a leader of the Bandidos, a man named Marshall from East Texas, contacted Owen Reeves, the “nomad,” or leader, of the Cossacks’ Central Texas region.

The two gangs had been at odds for years. The Bandidos consider themselves the big dogs of the Texas biker world, and other gangs — or clubs, as they prefer to be called — generally don’t cross them.

The Bandidos wear their claim to the Lone Star State on their backs. Their vests have “Bandidos” across the shoulders, just above their logo, a caricature based on Frito-Lay’s Frito Bandito. Below, the word “Texas” is stitched boldly in an inverted crescent.

That crescent, the “Texas rocker,” has long belonged to the Bandidos, and they consider it a provocation if someone else wears it without permission, which is exactly what the Cossacks did.

The Bandidos are second in numbers only to the Hells Angels and have as many as 2,500 members in 13 countries, according to the Justice Department, which considers the group a violent criminal enterprise engaged in running drugs and guns. The Cossacks, a smaller group, do not show up on law enforcement lists of criminal gangs, but the group has been growing more aggressive in recent years. Officials have warned of the potential for violence between the two gangs.

“We don’t claim any territory, but the reason that the Bandidos have such an issue with us is that we wear the Texas rocker on our back, but we don’t pay them $100 a month per chapter to do it,” the Cossack said.

On May 1, the Texas Department of Public Safety issued a bulletin to law enforcement agencies across the state warning about the Bandidos having “discussed the possibility of going to war” with the Cossacks, largely over the issue of the Texas rocker.

The bulletin noted that on March 22, several Cossacks attacked a Bandido with chains, batons and metal pipes. On the same day, Bandidos attacked a Cossack with a hammer and demanded that he remove the Texas rocker from his vest.

After all that, the phone call from Marshall was a welcome olive branch, the Cossack said.

Marshall invited the Cossacks to Twin Peaks last week when the Texas Confederation of Clubs and Independents was scheduled to hold a major meeting. Those meetings are generally about bikers’ rights, safety and other administrative issues. The Bandidos dominate that organization; the Cossacks are not members.

Marshall said that the Bandidos “wanted to get this cleared up,” according to the Cossack, who was relating what he said Reeves told him.

“He said, ‘Bring your brothers, hang out, and let’s get this fixed and we can all leave in peace and be happy.’ He was talking to our chapter in Waco. ... The leader of our Central Texas chapter said, ‘OK, I’m going to make this happen.’ ”

Reeves, who was jailed after the melee, could not be reached for comment. No members of the Bandidos could be reached for comment.

On the patio

Last week, about 70 Cossacks on Harley-Davidsons thundered down Interstate 35 through Waco and rolled into the parking lot of the Twin Peaks.

The Cossack said he and the others congregated on the outdoor patio and started ordering food and drinks. They chatted with other bikers from smaller mom-and-pop bike clubs ahead of the 1 p.m. confederation meeting.

Guns and other weapons are a common part of biker culture, and the Cossack acknowledged that members of his gang were armed.

“But not all of us,” he said. “We had no reason to believe that this was going to go that way.”

The parley with the Bandidos had been set for 11 a.m., the Cossack said, but the Bandidos didn’t arrive until about 12:15, when about 100 of them pulled up in a long, loud line of Harleys.

Trouble started almost immediately, he said: One of the Bandidos, wearing a patch that identified him as a chapter president, ran his bike into a Cossack standing in the parking lot. The Cossack who was hit was a prospect, a man seeking to become a full member of the club.

“They came up really fast, and the prospect turned and faced the bikes,” the Cossack chapter president said. “He fell backward into other parked bikes. The guy who hit him stopped and got off of his bike and said, ‘What are you doing? Get ... out of my way. We’re trying to park.’”

Cossacks quickly jumped to the prospect’s defense, he said: “Guys were saying, ‘You’re disrespecting us,’ or, ‘We’re not backing down.’ ”

In a blink, it started, he said: “Two punches: One from them, one from us.”

A Bandido with a patch identifying him as sergeant-at-arms of the same chapter threw a punch at Richard Matthew Jordan II, 31, known as “Richie,” who was from Pasadena. Jordan punched back.

“At that point in time, the sergeant-at-arms shot Richie point-blank,” the Cossack said.

Police said Jordan died of a gunshot wound to the head.

“Then all the Bandidos standing in the parking lot started pulling guns and shooting at us,” he said. “There were maybe 60 or 70 of us in the parking lot. ... We took off running. We scattered. Three of our guys went down instantly. They caught a couple more that tripped and fell, and Bandidos were shooting at them.”

He said that the second man to die was Daniel Raymond Boyett, 44, a Cossack known as “Diesel.” Police said that the Waco man died from gunshot wounds to the head.

The third man down was “Dog,” Charles Wayne Russell, 46, of Winona. Russell’s cause of death was listed as a gunshot wound to the chest.

The Cossack said that he believes the Bandidos had no intention of making peace that day.

“It was a setup from start to finish,” he said.

A parking issue

The Cossack’s story has been impossible to verify, but it is largely consistent with what police have said about how the brawl began.

Waco police spokesman Sgt. W. Patrick Swanton said the shooting started in the parking lot with a confrontation over what he called a parking issue. A leader of the Bandidos, who goes by “Gimmi Jimmy,” told The New York Times that there had been no incident in the parking lot but that he had heard there was a fight in the restaurant bathroom. He did not respond to numerous emails.

The Cossack’s account is also consistent with a Twin Peaks security video. The Associated Press reported that the video shows the shooting started in the parking lot at 12:24 p.m., and that panicked bikers started running into the restaurant to flee.

The AP reported that the video shows one shot being fired, but it did not say who fired the shot.

After the bloodshed, Texas authorities warned of the threat of further violence, saying that the Bandidos had called for reinforcements from outside the state.

“History has a way of repeating itself,” Swanton said. “Violence amongst these groups leads to more violence amongst these groups.”

The Cossack said he, too, believes more violence is brewing. He said he received a call late Thursday from a friend in Bandidos leadership, who warned him to get out of his house and spread the word that the Bandidos were “coming hard” after Cossacks.

He said he was told “they’re going to hit houses. They’re going to hit funerals. And if another Cossack or a cop gets in the way, so be it.”

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#1. To: All (#0)

"Even back then though it was apparent that, if the outlaw element of the motorcycling community never became aware that you even existed, you were better off. Seemed like, besides running meth and the strip clubs, what the outlaws mostly did for a hobby was get PO'd at people.

When I first moved to San Antonio I would ride across town occasionally to a bar called "Little Sturgis" just to drink a beer and look at motorcycles. I stopped about the time one of the Bandidos' non-patched hangers-on, a regular patron, fed the dead body of his wife through a wood chipper in his back yard.

SAPD harassed the place out of business shortly after."

"If I'm in a restaurant or bar and a couple of Bandidos come in and sit down, it's no big deal. If a group of Bandidos come in, it's time to go. Most of these guys are want-a-be outlaws and nothing but talk. But put a whole group together and mix in alcohol, it's best to not be anywhere around."

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“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2015-05-25   12:58:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: X-15 (#0) (Edited)

In other words, these "clubs" are just another form of identity-group "diversity" that's been a heap of trouble even though amerikan-born.

http://heavy.com/news/2015/05/bandidos-cossacks-motorcycle-biker-club-gang- history-waco-texas-deadly-feud-rivalry-brawl-shootout-fight-killing-stabbing- arrest-hells-angels-scimitars/

Supposedly bikers personify iconize and emblemize freedom, but how many kinds of slavery are they in?

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-05-25   13:02:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: X-15 (#0)

Richie, Diesel and Dog were dead.

Three down, dozens more to go.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-05-25   13:03:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: X-15 (#0)

Another wonderful outcome from the "War on Drugs".

John Howard says: There are 4 schools of economics:
Marxism: steal everything
Keynesianism: steal by counterfeiting whenever needed
Chicago school (Milton Friedman): steal by counterfeiting at a steady, predictable rate
Austrians: don't steal

Democrats don't mind war as long as they can have big government. Republicans don't mind big government as long as they can have war.
'Wiped off the Map' – The Rumor of the Century

PnbC  posted on  2015-05-25   13:10:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: NeoconsNailed (#2) (Edited)

I went to a beer brewery grand opening Saturday here in N. Texas, it was a very yuppified event. Two Leathernecks (motorcycle club) showed up. They were harmless by themselves, but I was glad that no more showed up. They were just very unsavory and unwashed characters, rather disgusting to see the state of their 'dress' considering that they're ex-Marines. They just weren't 'squared away' anymore. But, their bikes (HD's) were clean.

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“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2015-05-25   13:13:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: PnbC (#4)

The WOD didn't make the outlaws victims-on-two-wheels, they're just bad people from the get-go.

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“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2015-05-25   13:18:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: X-15 (#5)

Oh, yeah, Marines -- looking for a few good men. But what do they turn them into? Killing machines unfit for peacetime in many cases, it would seem.

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-05-25   13:22:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Cynicom, X-15 (#3)

Three down, dozens more to go.

Weep for the *Waco Nine?

No thanks.

* I just made up this nonsense up, but watch it grow on the interwebs!

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-05-25   13:23:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Jethro Tull (#8)

You just wait, it'll become a meme and a rallying cry for some folks.

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“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2015-05-25   13:28:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: X-15 (#9)

Yes we can! I mean, Yes it will!

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-05-25   13:38:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Jethro Tull (#10)

Stephen Lendman or Paul Craig Roberts will tie it all in to a leading indicator of societal upheaval of biblical proportions and include the stock phrase "And so it begins..."

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“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2015-05-25   13:41:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: X-15 (#11)

Good. They should.

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-05-25   13:49:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: X-15, Cynicom, Linderman (#11)

The entire Baltimore event is a false flag. Freddie Gray is living in Bermuda under an alias and the cops were disappeared in exchange for crisis actors.

Prove me wrong Linderman, you COMMIE Jew bastard!

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-05-25   13:54:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: X-15 (#11)

You think maybe God is unhappy with you Texans, rain, rain and more rain?

Anyone building arks?

Cynicom  posted on  2015-05-25   13:54:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: X-15 (#0)

The Bandidos are second in numbers only to the Hells Angels

Really ?!! Number 2 ?

I still know a few guys wearing Outlaws MC patches who would dispute that statement.

Fear makes the masses predictable.

Buzzard  posted on  2015-05-25   13:58:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: NeoconsNailed (#2)

In other words, these "clubs" are just another form of identity-group "diversity"

Nope, they are white according to popular culture and court filings.

corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus

Dakmar  posted on  2015-05-25   14:01:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Cynicom (#14)

I wore my wader boots while picking blackberries yesterday, I splashed with every step I took. Rained yesterday, raining later today. It's supposed to rain every day until the end of this week, maybe more.

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“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2015-05-25   14:04:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Jethro Tull (#13)

Prove me wrong Linderman, you COMMIE Jew bastard!

LMAO!!!!!!!

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“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2015-05-25   14:05:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Cynicom (#14)

You think maybe God is unhappy with you Texans, rain, rain and more rain?

Anyone building arks?

The primary reservoir in central TX is still at less than 50% of capacity.

At this stage we're better off continuing with the rain water collection projects.

Fear makes the masses predictable.

Buzzard  posted on  2015-05-25   14:06:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Dakmar (#16)

Nope, they are white according to popular culture and court filings.

Diversity doesn't only refer to skin color.

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-05-25   14:07:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: X-15 (#17)

Thank goodness that your terrain is much more flat than here, CenTex Hill Country is just a flood-disaster waiting to happen.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-05-25   14:08:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Buzzard (#15)

I have family who were Outlaw's, and they'd probably dispute that comment also. I rode (if you wanna call it that) with some 1%ers a couple times, and their idea of getting in the wind was racing from strip club to strip club thru inner city streets at 80 mph. No thank you. I'll stick to puttin' on the country roads and take my chances with the deer, june bugs and washout gravel.

Obnoxicated  posted on  2015-05-25   14:15:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: X-15 (#0)

Minor point. I'd call it an ambush rather than a setup.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-05-25   16:12:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Fred Mertz (#23)

It will be interesting to see how the DPS crime lab works the bullets and casings forensics on this one.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-05-25   16:48:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: X-15, jethro tull (#0)

for what its worth, I spent several days in Waco last week, and there is no inkling of problems, bikers, murders or murderers, killer cops, crisis actors, false flags , fema camps, boogiemen, or any of it.

its just like any other city anywhere, people going about there business as usual.

I sometimes think that conspiracy types (of which I am one) become WAY too immersed and concerned about what amounts to a bunch of completely irrelevant b.s.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2015-05-25   17:22:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Buzzard (#19)

Lake Travis has risen 7 ft in the last 12 hours. I feel really sorry for Wimberley residents--so much destruction and loss.

Truth is still truth even if no one believes it. A lie is still a lie even if everyone believes it.

christine  posted on  2015-05-25   19:26:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Obnoxicated, Buzzard (#22)

Food for thought, I like this:

"The state of Texas has never granted the Bandidos a charter to collect a fee for the privilege of putting a Texas rocker on their colors. Therefore, when they extort a fee backed up by an implied (and apparently quite real) threat of violence for "permission" to wear the rocker, that makes them a true criminal enterprise.......even if they never ran guns or sold drugs or murdered rivals, or any of the other crimes of which they are suspected. They have no LEGAL authority to demand or collect the fee, and they have no LEGAL authority to enforce their claim. That makes them a criminal gang. Period."

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“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2015-05-25   19:55:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: christine (#26)

Travis is now over ten feet up, but still 57% empty.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-05-25   20:48:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Lod (#28)

that is still dangerously low.

Truth is still truth even if no one believes it. A lie is still a lie even if everyone believes it.

christine  posted on  2015-05-25   20:59:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Artisan, 4 (#25)

I sometimes think that conspiracy types (of which I am one) become WAY too immersed and concerned about what amounts to a bunch of completely irrelevant b.s.

A false flag requires flawless execution by 100s of people in live time + the ability to keep these actors, parents, cops, judges, DAs, etc. silenced, not only immediately after the event, but for years thereafter. This latter point is overlooked by most false flaggers. Time isn’t the friend of silence. To think that not one person has broken ranks and come forward with details of a false flag is to ignore human nature and the lure of fame & fortune. Given this, and the knowledge that government can’t find it’s ass with both hands, the statical odds of success veers off into the land of the absurd. It could even be argued that the bickering over false flags are a false flags themselves. FFs are the shinny glitter that InterWeb hacks throw up in the air to distract us from reality. While some of us still discuss the validity of the 1969 moon landing, our Southern border has collapsed, the national debt is exploding and what remains of the middle class is being hammered with high taxes, diversity and a bevy of other distasteful progressive social programs. Today, on the front page of Drudge, there are 2 articles from reputable economic sources. They both talk about the pending economic collapse. This is reality and this is where I am concentrating my time & energy.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-05-26   9:28:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Jethro Tull (#30)

This is reality and this is where I am concentrating my time & energy.

Today is article about looming showdown in East China Sea between US and China.

Any interest with our resident Moonbeams? Of course not.

Reality is an unwanted diversion to such.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-05-26   10:04:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Jethro Tull (#30) (Edited)

I would love to believe as you do on this, but like I said before, the spineless sheeple literally worship the government, which has an infinite budget and infinite bullets and is known to work by threat, intimidation and murder.

9/11 is clearly a massive theatrical production whose cast is known to be keeping totally mum even as the public builds a master's degree in why it's a fraud. As you see, it doesn't require flawless execution -- despite the obviously lousy job Mossad et al did, Amurrica still believes it and lives by it!

Some of the alleged hijackers are known to still be living (or were after the big day), but they're never heard from -- certainly the media aren't going to ring them up to help expose the colossal fraud they've unanimously presented and maintained all these years. The media, the propaganda arm of government, are virtually as powerful as anything going on within the beltway. People believe what the media present more than God -- media are their other god.

Human nature? This IS human nature, chile!

I've already theorized that the astronauts were threatened into going along with the moon fraud and there's no other explanation in sight for their freakish behavior in that press conference. With victory as well as tragedy, you've got a public desperate for unity of emotion. OH, blubber blubber, 9/11 really happened because our daughter defending us from those MOOZLUMS that did it and keep flitting from one country Israel hates to another, escaping capture for 13 years now, the varmints! OH, ain't it great to be an Amurrican, we got to the moon first and everybody in the whole world knows we did -- we're the biggest and baddest and bestest country on effing EARTH. USA! USA! USA!!!!!

One of the few actually great things about what's left of amerika is our freedom to discuss what the system's doing to us all we want in places like this -- and since the moon walk is one of the prime false flags (literally this time) on which Washington's legitimacy hangs, I'm delighted people are willing to get into it. We think it matters, you don't, that's life. Say, by your logic your stab at throwing us the trail could be a false flag. Who you with, huh -- the ILLUMINATI? (Little joke there.)

Further insights into Waco II --

http://www.castefootball.us/forums/showthread.php/17307-Guns-of-Anarchy? highlight=bandidos

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-05-26   10:31:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: NeoconsNailed (#32)

9/11 is clearly a massive theatrical production whose cast is known to be keeping totally mum even as the public builds a master's degree in why it's a fraud.

I push 9/11 off to the side for many reasons, but chief among them is that as a false flag it was, and is, an abject failure. Contemporaneous accounts from survivors & first responders called the official account BS from the get go. More than 50? Israelis were arrested (only to be released & deported), 100s of highly educated engineers formed together to debunk the collapse story & Larry Silverstein 's pulling of Bld 7 is immortalized forever on YouTube. My favorite witness to the crime is William Rodriquez who saved countless ppl that day. His testimony is riveting and it comes from a man with no dog in the fight. The last nationwide poll regarding 9/11 showed more Americans believing that it was an inside job than those who didn't. There are countless other nuggets of 9/11 truth we can discuss, but at least some of the inconvenient truths that have emerged post 9/11 are what I'd expect to see with the other FFs put forward.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-05-26   11:21:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Jethro Tull (#33)

Right. Some polls show most amerikans see the 9/11 fraud. Parenthetically, however, we're as stuck with it as we are with the also charlatanical Martin Lucifer King cult. All newscasters and politicians still mouth fervent belief in these and 9/11's 100-year extension, the "war" on "terror," and the sheeple keep consuming it -- partly by remaining passionately devoted to the mindless non-9/11 programming that pays the media gods' bills. The world mourned the passing of Seinfeld as of an only son, but I'm proud to say I barely knew who he was.

"There are countless other nuggets of 9/11 truth we can discuss, but at least some of the inconvenient truths that have emerged post 9/11 are what I'd expect to see with the other FFs put forward" -- start talking! In a relevant thread, natcherly.

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-05-26   11:53:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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