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Title: McDonald's response to the $15 dollar an hour minimum wage
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Published: May 28, 2015
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Post Date: 2015-05-28 09:46:33 by Jethro Tull
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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
Ayn Rand... "The masses are but mere lice, with barely a right to live".
I have asked this question many times from those that decry unions, minimum wages etc etc... If union and wage laws were repealed, would the hourly rate go up, remain the same or go down????
If wage laws were repealed some would be paid more than others related to their skill and dependency, among other things.
Some of each, imo. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
If that were true, would it not also apply now? That current employers would pay some employees more, or is it most likely they pay only what the law requires? Having been child labor in the great depression, employers never, ever, paid for dependent or skilled help. Never happened. They could hire four children for twenty five cents each for ten to twelve hours labor, or hire a man for a dollar. We know who they hired. There is no milk of human kindness in employers, that will never happen.
If the law does not allow lesser wages and does not prohibit greater wages, one has to wonder why 99 per cent of employers have no employees warranting more than minimum wage.
They could hire four children for twenty five cents each for ten to twelve hours labor, or hire a man for a dollar. We know who they hired. There is no milk of human kindness in employers, that will never happen. Since there aren't unions for every category of work, it seems that only certain employers would be egregiously unfair like the lucrative coal mining industry, for example -- lucrative, as well, for the union industry that shields those employers from being bothered about any worker wage increases for years at a stretch until the next scheduled union negotiations. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
We could revert to the good olde days, "laborers" had no rights, no recourse, had nothing. How dare they? Example... My wife was taken at age twelve from an orphanage, by a judge, given to a school teacher for free labor, for six long years. That was during the great depression, humans were given away, no rights, nothing. Not so long ago, we had slave labor in this country, then we went to child labor, now some would revert back in time.
Some jobs are just meant to be entry level minimum wage jobs. In other cases, employees that have worked years to rise slowly and slightly above minimum wage are being reset back to minimum wage, or very close to it, every time that minimum wage is raised and they don't get a comparable cost of living increase in their wages too. No matter how much minimum wage is raised, it is still just minimum wage. Businesses can simply increase their prices by the percentage of increase, regardless if they have just one or very few minimum wage workers, and they profit much from the rest of their staff's earnings staying the same (thereby losing more and more of their percentage margin above minimum wage each time). Businesses make a big show of grumbling about it but they are actually being enriched each time by that raise robbery sleight-of-hand scam and its resultant virtual rollback of their longterm/above minimum wage workfore closer towards entry level payment where they started. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
HISTORY.... Henry Ford broke ranks with the capitalist barons by paying his workers five dollars a day. The business world was outraged. Ford was making millions, then he turned greedy, he "needed" to make more millions, but how? Ford invented the assembly line system. He had a bright idea, he could make more millions by speeding up the assembly line, paying the "laborers" the same pay to turn out more cars. Brilliant idea, make labor sweat, Ford has more millions to count. When the dastardly laborers had the audacity to go on strike, Ford and the police shot and killed a few of them, how dare they strike. No one went to jail, good men were dead and labor had learned their place at the bottom of the ladder.
Employers who only pay the bare minimum, will only have the bare-minimum type employees. Locally, I can see the difference in my Costco and SamsClub stores; night and day. Costco is one of the highest rated places to work, while Walmart is one of the most despised employers in the world. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
I think it's significant that McDonald's happens to be the one shown as computerizing counters. It's the most soulless and institutional-feeling of all the fast food chains. Well, I don't know about Jack-in-the-Box, because I would never and have never patronized a place with such an inane name and architectural look. McD's comes close, and I virtually never eat there either.
Not so long ago, we had slave labor in this country, then we went to child labor, now some would revert back in time. You should write up an essay about your & your wifes experience of what child labor was really like. That would generate a lot of interest because most people have never heard. Stories like that. I think laws against child labor today aren't to prohibit forced labor, but serve to quash enginuity and parents teaching their kid work ethic. When I was a kid I had candy stands and made a good profit. Id also do extra stuff like wash cars and walk dogs for extra cash. And it wasn't because I needed cash or was lacking anything, but rather it was fun to earn your own money. Today those would be prohibited by gov regulations. "Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Ha! That's funny, because we just went to jack in the box yesterday, in OKC. They have a 2 tacos for one dollar and I told my wife, I wonder what is this stuff they call meat because its just a weird mush, not like any meat I've ever seen. At least del taco has ground beef. But this mush stuff at Jacks is very shady. "Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
That's sad. I could recount some similar examples but it's not necessary to revert to the cruelties of times past in order to regulate businesses that want to be outlandish. Currently, the Federal Gov is itself basically in a pact with some commercial enterprises to subcontract Food Stamp recipients who are assigned to work-for-food. I suspect the Federales are profiting somehow as a sort of Temp Worker outlet for businesses that want to pay those centers an access fee for worker slaves who'll get zero actual-wages from them. That, of course, is not a good incentive for businesses to function more properly, fairly and supportively for the overall economy.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
I'm 33 years into a total boycott of McDonald's, and it feels great. I quit them even before I was awake to the health perils of their food. I quit them when they started using the obese football player "Refrigerator" Perry to ghetto rap their disgusting commercials. As far as I remember, McDonald's was the first to do that sort of thing. Can't stand it; won't support it.
People of this "modern" age do not want to read or hear of the past history of this country. The internet is replete with hundreds of photos of children working in American factories, as young as six years olde. At six he should become more "skilled" for higher wages? Hunger is a stern taskmaster, its lessons are never forgotten.
Remove minimum wage laws. Would pay increase, decrease or remain the same?
Henry Ford broke ranks with the capitalist barons by paying his workers five dollars a day. The business world was outraged. Ford was making millions, then he turned greedy, he "needed" to make more millions, but how? Ford invented the assembly line system. He had a bright idea, he could make more millions by speeding up the assembly line, paying the "laborers" the same pay to turn out more cars. Brilliant idea, make labor sweat, Ford has more millions to count. When the dastardly laborers had the audacity to go on strike, Ford and the police shot and killed a few of them, how dare they strike. No one went to jail, good men were dead and labor had learned their place at the bottom of the ladder. I'd have to check but that strike might be what sent Ford to Russia, where he likely made additional millions from his factory set ups there instead roundabout here. Do people really need a union to go on strike? I don't think so. The coal miners, for example, should have asserted that the resources being extracted were their State's property and theirs too as citizens of it, imo, and if the proprietors didn't see it that way, they could try to go elsewhere and the workers would continue working for their economy. The unions did nothing to facilitate any bargainings like that to benefit laborers. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
I have a head full of useless information. Ford and Stalin were olde buddies in the early 1930s. Of course Ford made millions off Stalin but Stalin got auto and truck factories with which to build tanks etc etc for WWII. The workers were shot in late 1930s, I cannot recall what year. If you ask why Stalin wanted armaments in 1930s, I will send along. Remember in early 1930s, Germany was training their army and air force in Russia, by and for Stalin.
I quit them even before I was awake to the health perils of their food. I quit them when they started using the obese football player "Refrigerator" Perry to ghetto rap their disgusting commercials. As far as I remember, McDonald's was the first to do that sort of thing. Can't stand it; won't support it. I boycotted Arby's for a long time because of their degrading commercial. After they stopped broadcasting that and seemed to be consistently moving away from those tactics, I decided to give them another chance. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
If anybody thinks this stinks, just wait until the Trans Pacific-Partnership is passed: every last job that can be sent to the Pacific Rim will fly out of America. Between that and the increase in H1-B visa's, a person will be lucky to get any job at all. This nation is just swirling around the (Pacific) rim before the final plunge.
#2. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
#3. To: Cynicom (#2)
If union and wage laws were repealed, would the hourly rate go up, remain the same or go down????
#4. To: Cynicom (#2)
If union and wage laws were repealed, would the hourly rate go up, remain the same or go down????
#5. To: Jethro Tull (#3)
If wage laws were repealed some would be paid more than others related to their skill and dependency, among other things.
#6. To: Lod (#4)
Some of each, imo.
#7. To: Cynicom (#5)
Having been child labor in the great depression, employers never, ever, paid for dependent or skilled help. Never happened.
#8. To: GreyLmist (#7)
#9. To: Cynicom (#6)
(Edited)
If the law does not allow lesser wages and does not prohibit greater wages, one has to wonder why 99 per cent of employers have no employees warranting more than minimum wage.
#10. To: GreyLmist (#9)
#11. To: Cynicom, 4 (#8)
#12. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
#13. To: Cynicom (#8)
My wife was taken at age twelve from an orphanage, by a judge, given to a school teacher for free labor, for six long years. That was during the great depression, humans were given away, no rights, nothing.
#14. To: NeoconsNailed (#12)
Well, I don't know about Jack-in-the-Box, because I would never and have never patronized a place with such an inane name and architectural look.
#15. To: Cynicom (#8)
(Edited)
#16. To: NeoconsNailed, Jethro Tull (#12)
McD's comes close, and I virtually never eat there either.
#17. To: Artisan (#13)
#18. To: GreyLmist (#15)
That's sad. I could recount some similar examples but it's not necessary to revert to the cuelties of times past in order to regulate businesses that want to be outlandish
#19. To: Cynicom (#10)
(Edited)
HISTORY....
#20. To: GreyLmist (#19)
I'd have to check but that strike might be what sent Ford to Russia, where he likely made additional millions from his factory set ups there instead roundabout here
#21. To: StraitGate (#16)
I'm 33 years into a total boycott of McDonald's, and it feels great.
#22. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
-Alex Kurtagic
#23. To: Cynicom (#20)
Henry Ford built plants in Europe, which he was compensated for by FDR when we bombed them in WWII. His dislike of jews made him a supporter of Uncle Adolf. 
-Alex Kurtagic
#24. To: Jethro Tull (#0) (Edited)
McDonald's is better off closing for the population and economic heath reason anyway
if you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people
#25. To: Cynicom (#20)
Ford and Stalin were olde buddies in the early 1930s. Of course Ford made millions off Stalin but Stalin got auto and truck factories with which to build tanks etc etc for WWII. The workers were shot in late 1930s, I cannot recall what year. If you ask why Stalin wanted armaments in 1930s, I will send along. Remember in early 1930s, Germany was training their army and air force in Russia, by and for Stalin. Could you post that armament and training info for us? I suspect Ford may have been a camouflaged Communist and appreciate your insights on the past. I have a head full of useless information.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#26. To: GreyLmist (#25)
Holy shit!! Ford hated communism with a passion because they tend to nationalize factories. Get that ugly thought out of your head. I suspect Ford may have been a camouflaged Communist
-Alex Kurtagic
#27. To: X-15 (#23)
In France in particular. We were not allowed to bomb them, even tho the French were building and selling trucks to Hitler. Big business does in fact own and operate this criminal government. Henry Ford built plants in Europe,
#28. To: X-15, GreyLmist (#26)
Holy shit!! Ford hated communism with a passion because they tend to nationalize factories. Get that ugly thought out of your head. Ford would and did business with the Devil if he made a buck. Hitler and Stalin both paid. I suspect Ford may have been a camouflaged Communist
#29. To: X-15 (#26)
Easier said than done. Will give it another try but it usually returns like a boomerang. I suspect Ford may have been a camouflaged Communist Holy shit!! Ford hated communism with a passion because they tend to nationalize factories. Get that ugly thought out of your head.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#30. To: GreyLmist (#25)
Here is written historical account, one of many. There are also photos on internet. Could you post that armament and training info for us?
#31. To: Cynicom (#28)
www.washingtonpost.com/wp...aily/nov98/ nazicars30.htm By Michael Dobbs Washington Post Staff Writer Monday, November 30, 1998; Page A01 When American GIs invaded Europe in June 1944, they did so in jeeps, trucks and tanks manufactured by the Big Three motor companies in one of the largest crash militarization programs ever undertaken. It came as an unpleasant surprise to discover that the enemy was also driving trucks manufactured by Ford and Opel -- a 100 percent GM-owned subsidiary -- and flying Opel-built warplanes. (Chrysler's role in the German rearmament effort was much less significant.) When the U.S. Army liberated the Ford plants in Cologne and Berlin, they found destitute foreign workers confined behind barbed wire and company documents extolling the "genius of the Fuehrer," according to reports filed by soldiers at the scene. A U.S. Army report by investigator Henry Schneider dated Sept. 5, 1945, accused the German branch of Ford of serving as "an arsenal of Nazism, at least for military vehicles" with the "consent" of the parent company in Dearborn. The relationship of Ford and GM to the Nazi regime goes back to the 1920s and 1930s, when the American car companies competed against each other for access to the lucrative German market. Hitler was an admirer of American mass production techniques and an avid reader of the antisemitic tracts penned by Henry Ford. "I regard Henry Ford as my inspiration," Hitler told a Detroit News reporter two years before becoming the German chancellor in 1933, explaining why he kept a life-size portrait of the American automaker next to his desk. Although Ford later renounced his antisemitic writings, he remained an admirer of Nazi Germany and sought to keep America out of the coming war. In July 1938, four months after the German annexation of Austria, he accepted the highest medal that Nazi Germany could bestow on a foreigner, the Grand Cross of the German Eagle. The following month, a senior executive for General Motors, James Mooney, received a similar medal for his "distinguished service to the Reich."
-Alex Kurtagic
#32. To: pmg (#24)
Never met an irreligious person. if you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people
#33. To: Artisan (#14)
I had the red burrito combo at Hardee's yesterday, Art -- nice price and the meat was pretty convincing.
#34. To: X-15 (#26)
And yet, he established factories in Communist Russia. It's probably not even been 5 minutes since I once again tried to dislodge the thought of him possibly being a camouflaged Communist and it's back already. Ford hated communism with a passion because they tend to nationalize factories.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#35. To: Cynicom (#32)
Never met an irreligious person. Don't mind him cynicon,that guy is a moron as evidenced by his willingness to aid and abed in international felonies. if you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people
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#36. To: X-15 (#31)
Thanks... Big business did business with both sides. My complaint is that they also sent useless eaters such as myself to bleed and die for the bastards. Big business is now doing well with China, making billions, when war is decided, the lice at the bottom will once again be thrown into the death trap.
#37. To: Cynicom (#18)
Would pay increase, decrease or remain the same? Pay would decrease for some, but it would overall be a benefit for them and most other people. Minimum wage may have been needed 100 years ago, but socialist utopians have turned it into a cancerous growth along with most other things that offer any benefit. Remove minimum wage laws.
#38. To: titorite (#35)
Thanks.
#39. To: Cynicom (#38)
LOL! Thanks.
#40. To: Cynicom (#32)
Wise words! Everybody has a religion. A religion is any system of beliefs and values that someone clings "religiously", i.e. the most fervently. Most atheists embrace humanism, ruled a religion in American Humanist Association v. United States. So-called liberalism seems to be the religion most passionately clung to today. Thus there are no atheists in Ivy League foxholes, er, dorm rooms. The creation account on which this cult hangs is evolutionism, which looks as silly to truly independent minds as Adam and Eve do to Harvard faculty until those good ole TRANSITIONAL FORMS turn up in the fossil record. Maybe they're right down there among all those "fossil fuels", hm hmmm..... Never met an irreligious person.
#41. To: Jethro Tull (#39)
Spare time today, have been wading thru the impending possible war scenarios being floated for upcoming war in Asia. There are NO opinions or thoughts of possibility of no war. None. Americans need to wake up.
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