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Published: May 28, 2015
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Post Date: 2015-05-28 09:46:33 by Jethro Tull
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#30. To: GreyLmist (#25)
Here is written historical account, one of many. There are also photos on internet.
www.washingtonpost.com/wp...aily/nov98/ nazicars30.htm By Michael Dobbs Washington Post Staff Writer Monday, November 30, 1998; Page A01 When American GIs invaded Europe in June 1944, they did so in jeeps, trucks and tanks manufactured by the Big Three motor companies in one of the largest crash militarization programs ever undertaken. It came as an unpleasant surprise to discover that the enemy was also driving trucks manufactured by Ford and Opel -- a 100 percent GM-owned subsidiary -- and flying Opel-built warplanes. (Chrysler's role in the German rearmament effort was much less significant.) When the U.S. Army liberated the Ford plants in Cologne and Berlin, they found destitute foreign workers confined behind barbed wire and company documents extolling the "genius of the Fuehrer," according to reports filed by soldiers at the scene. A U.S. Army report by investigator Henry Schneider dated Sept. 5, 1945, accused the German branch of Ford of serving as "an arsenal of Nazism, at least for military vehicles" with the "consent" of the parent company in Dearborn. The relationship of Ford and GM to the Nazi regime goes back to the 1920s and 1930s, when the American car companies competed against each other for access to the lucrative German market. Hitler was an admirer of American mass production techniques and an avid reader of the antisemitic tracts penned by Henry Ford. "I regard Henry Ford as my inspiration," Hitler told a Detroit News reporter two years before becoming the German chancellor in 1933, explaining why he kept a life-size portrait of the American automaker next to his desk. Although Ford later renounced his antisemitic writings, he remained an admirer of Nazi Germany and sought to keep America out of the coming war. In July 1938, four months after the German annexation of Austria, he accepted the highest medal that Nazi Germany could bestow on a foreigner, the Grand Cross of the German Eagle. The following month, a senior executive for General Motors, James Mooney, received a similar medal for his "distinguished service to the Reich." Could you post that armament and training info for us?
#31. To: Cynicom (#28)
-Alex Kurtagic
#32. To: pmg (#24)
Never met an irreligious person. if you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people
#33. To: Artisan (#14)
I had the red burrito combo at Hardee's yesterday, Art -- nice price and the meat was pretty convincing.
#34. To: X-15 (#26)
And yet, he established factories in Communist Russia. It's probably not even been 5 minutes since I once again tried to dislodge the thought of him possibly being a camouflaged Communist and it's back already. Ford hated communism with a passion because they tend to nationalize factories.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#35. To: Cynicom (#32)
Never met an irreligious person. Don't mind him cynicon,that guy is a moron as evidenced by his willingness to aid and abed in international felonies. if you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people
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Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) If you don't control your mind someone else will.
#36. To: X-15 (#31)
Thanks... Big business did business with both sides. My complaint is that they also sent useless eaters such as myself to bleed and die for the bastards. Big business is now doing well with China, making billions, when war is decided, the lice at the bottom will once again be thrown into the death trap.
#37. To: Cynicom (#18)
Would pay increase, decrease or remain the same? Pay would decrease for some, but it would overall be a benefit for them and most other people. Minimum wage may have been needed 100 years ago, but socialist utopians have turned it into a cancerous growth along with most other things that offer any benefit. Remove minimum wage laws.
#38. To: titorite (#35)
Thanks.
#39. To: Cynicom (#38)
LOL! Thanks.
#40. To: Cynicom (#32)
Wise words! Everybody has a religion. A religion is any system of beliefs and values that someone clings "religiously", i.e. the most fervently. Most atheists embrace humanism, ruled a religion in American Humanist Association v. United States. So-called liberalism seems to be the religion most passionately clung to today. Thus there are no atheists in Ivy League foxholes, er, dorm rooms. The creation account on which this cult hangs is evolutionism, which looks as silly to truly independent minds as Adam and Eve do to Harvard faculty until those good ole TRANSITIONAL FORMS turn up in the fossil record. Maybe they're right down there among all those "fossil fuels", hm hmmm..... Never met an irreligious person.
#41. To: Jethro Tull (#39)
Spare time today, have been wading thru the impending possible war scenarios being floated for upcoming war in Asia. There are NO opinions or thoughts of possibility of no war. None. Americans need to wake up.
#42. To: X-15 (#31)
Great stuff, thanks.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#43. To: Cynicom (#36)
My complaint is that they also sent useless eaters such as myself to bleed and die for the bastards. Big business is now doing well with China, making billions, when war is decided, the lice at the bottom will once again be thrown into the death trap. Take pride in being one of the very few veterans actually honoring his oath, Cynicom -- on the battlefield or off. Barbaric countries love war and eagerly sacrifice their youth to it -- the only citizens young and clueless enough to go. In this sense amerika and the other largest countries (and supposedly best-educated) are pre-medieval in their level of basic decency. I was probably about 7 when they told me it was just normal and required that every young man spend a couple of years in the military whether there was a war on or not. Every atom of my being revolted against this even back then! I really, REALLY didn't like the idea that I was expected to do anything when I grew up, including paying taxes -- and every bit of that revulsion has been vindicated by the rest of life. Big business did business with both sides.
#44. To: titorite (#35)
personal attacks again..mmmm
if you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people
#45. To: Cynicom, 4 (#41)
I'm listening to the talking Macaws dispense economic advice on CNBC. They mentioned China's biggest one day stock market plunge since 2008 exactly once. I know of one sure fire way to kick start an economy.... profit.ndtv.com/news/mark...t-crash-since-2008-766688
#46. To: pmg (#44)
Says the moron that raises his voice to.a.child.because he's not a real man. You tabarnak are despicable. personal attacks again..mmmm
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Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) If you don't control your mind someone else will.
#47. To: Cynicom (#30) (Edited)
Here is written historical account, one of many. There are also photos on internet. Thanks much but it happened while I was reading through it that this part was not at all helpful to my efforts of reimaging Henry Ford as something other than a camouflaged Communist: Couldn't manage to translate those German words and all I could find about the company was that it has something to do with applied-research services for private and public enterprise. Back now to working at not thinking about Henry Ford anymore as maybe a disguised Communist. SUBARU LEGACY | JR. DRIVER COMMERCIAL Could you post that armament and training info for us?
During the months of August and September of 1923, the German company of GEFU (Gesellschaft für Förderung gewerblicher Unternehmungen) created a joint-venture company with its Soviet counterpart, Bersol. Two headquarters were created; one in Berlin and one in Moscow.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#48. To: titorite (#46)
sure all in your head all in there juste for you
if you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people
#49. To: pmg (#48)
In my head. Dude their is a pm system you could use it to insult me like you normally do instead of shitting all over.this thread thanks. sure all in your head all in there juste for you
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Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) If you don't control your mind someone else will.
#50. To: titorite (#49)
are you ever reading your own post?? LMFAO
if you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people
#51. To: GreyLmist (#47)
GEFU = society for the promotion of commercial enterprises. I guess since everybody already knows I'm a heretic, I'll posit that Ford and Detriot wordlessly demonstrate that mfg is no basis for a healthy long-term economy. Well, the total state of things shouts it in my view. Even if Ford wasn't a commie, mfg requires a constant stream of consumption and this breeds massive overkill and waste. Mfg has wings -- it suddenly flees an area after making it a major paragon of prosperity. Gary, Camden, the whole rust belt, this whole damn country!
#52. To: NeoconsNailed (#51)
Invention, innovation, and manufacturing new goods and products are the very backbone of a healthy society and economy, in my view.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#53. To: Lod, Cynicom, 4 (#52)
We have to keep in mind this oligarchic shite posing as capitalism today isn't related to Adam Smith at all. What we have is greed stuffed in an undersized 3-piece suit.
#54. To: NeoconsNailed (#33)
That's interesting, I know a little bit about the history of hardees and their mexican menu. Hardees is the east coast spin off of Carls Jr, which was foinded in CA by Carl Karcher, a Catholic guy who began with a hot dog stand in So. Cal. (Karcher & his brother Frank donated lots of $$ to a beautiful Passionist Retreat Center called Mater Dolorosa in sierra Madre, CA.` Carls Jr only sold hamburgers and stuff for years. Pretty good burger. Meanwhile in the 80s a startup called Green Burrito began in So Cal and had very good quality Mex fast food. Burrito combos tacos, nachos, et, with fresh salsa bar. The chain began to franchose their stores and expan. I was friends with two guys who opened one in so. Cal. It was an amazing success story as they both, childhood pals from NY, quickly earned brand new homes & mercedes. They were PR genius and genuinely great wth people and great food to boot at their green urrito. (Which had nothing whatsoever to do with mega chain Carls jr/Hardees). Then, someone at corporate GB sold out to Carls which then began adding green burrito to its menu. However, the food quality and uniquiness went down the drain sadly. The independent green burriros still existed along with the green burritos in Carls jr. East coast Hardees callled it "Red Burrito", same menu as the GB in Carls. While its not bad for americanized Mx fast food, it doesn't hold a candle to the original GB. Though GB will always hold nice memories for me for many reasons. ;-)
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
#55. To: NeoconsNailed (#51)
Ford was a friend of Fr Coughlin and despised by the jews, so I think that qualifies him as OK in my book. Where-t-f did this Ford/Commie meme come from?
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
#56. To: Lod (#52)
And most people's, 'tis clear. Invention, innovation, and manufacturing new goods and products are the very backbone of a healthy society and economy, in my view.
#57. To: Jethro Tull (#53) (Edited)
Fine, but what else is there ever with a mfg basis? What else could there ever be, in view of life, exploitation and pollution since the Industrial Revo began? We have to keep in mind this oligarchic shite posing as capitalism today isn't related to Adam Smith at all. What we have is greed stuffed in an undersized 3-piece suit.
#58. To: Artisan (#55)
I have no idea. Corporations only have loyalty/ideology to profits; they don't care the country of origin. Where-t-f did this Ford/Commie meme come from?
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#59. To: Artisan (#55)
Kudos for the (I think) proper (for once) use of the word meme. People might have gotten carried away with here calling him a communist, but if (!) it's true he did such business with the USSR that's not good at all. That's the problem with the super-wealthy -- nasty revelations about them keep popping up. Ford gave Americans affordable wheels and workers a decent wage, bravo for that, but was FoMoCo overall a blessing or a curse on Detriot? The town I live in has never known the heights of luxury and prestige Detriot did, but it's also never been turned into a black hole despite having its negro content. How long, in fact, was Detroit's Ford-induced heyday -- 30 years, say from 1925 to 1955? It's been an infamous negropolis as long as this baby boomer can remember. I don't mind a bit if Henry Ford helped the Nazis. Has a mighty purty ring to it! Ford was a friend of Fr Coughlin and despised by the jews, so I think that qualifies him as OK in my book. Where-t-f did this Ford/Commie meme come from?
#60. To: Artisan (#54)
Don't tell anybody, but I think the mushroom and swiss thickburgers a work of art. Must be full of MSG or something -- I do see double and can't sleep for 3 days after eating one (just kidding).
#61. To: Cynicom, christine (#17)
The internet is replete with hundreds of photos of children working in American factories, as young as six years olde. I don't think that's true, I think that many people would be very interested in your stories, myself included. I could publish it and I think it would get a lot of readership. Small snippets on 4um now & again don't do all your knowledge & experiences justice, in my opinion. I told some others here the story of my dad. I made a point to record many hours of video interviews with him about his life, etc for the future generations of our family. It is a priceless collection lept intact and I encourage everyone else to do the same with their parents and grandparents. I bet you have a lot of interesting photos & momentos too. I love that kind of stuff. People of this "modern" age do not want to read or hear of the past history of this country.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
#62. To: Artisan, Cynicom, 4 (#61)
I agree; anecdotal history is just fascinating. I bet you have a lot of interesting photos & mementos too. I love that kind of stuff.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#63. To: NeoconsNailed, Jethro Tull, Tatarewicz (#57)
Fine, but what else is there ever with a mfg basis? What else could there ever be, in view of life, exploitation and pollution since the Industrial Revo began? Interesting suggestions recently by Tatarewicz that might be workable for a self-employed, labor based alternative-economy option instead of just the one that's business/mfg/financing based: Post #5 of 4um Title: SECRET MEETING IN LONDON TO “END CASH” We have to keep in mind this oligarchic shite posing as capitalism today isn't related to Adam Smith at all. What we have is greed stuffed in an undersized 3-piece suit.
Eliminate monetary reward altogether; operate as a family under guidance of computer programmers. Western society now has more than enough resources and skilled labor to provide everyone with the basics of food, shelter and medical. Items beyond basics available on the basis of merit in terms of wealth production and training achieved to be available to do a job. Money stewards and counters are a redundancy in a cyber-robotics age; would be more useful in fixing potholes.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#64. To: Artisan (#55) (Edited)
I don't remember. lol Just kidding. : ) It was me. Just something that I've wondered about now and again amongst the run-up of things to WWII. Didn't know he was friends with Fr. Coughlin...but a Commie surely might want to infiltrate his ministry. Just sayin'. Ford was a friend of Fr Coughlin and despised by the jews, so I think that qualifies him as OK in my book. Where-t-f did this Ford/Commie meme come from?
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#65. To: GreyLmist (#63)
Many aspire to much more than surviving here. Operating "under guidance of computer programmers" sounds like a socialist's wet dream. No thank you.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#66. To: GreyLmist (#63)
That's intriguing! One of my own: since the govt (or Fed)* just prints all the money it needs for what it wants to do and even misplaces trillions at a time, why doesn't it simply write every adult a check for 50 grand a year? Or say 10 or 20 grand to each household to keep people motivated to do more. It would instantly cure poverty and if they want to provide free drugs to proven addicts (or just legalize everything) that will end the drug war. To keep people responsible it could start really enforcing penalties on those that drive stoned etc. *or FED as lots of our folk would naively write it.
#67. To: Lod (#65) (Edited)
Now, did you have to say wet dream? The word dream wouldn't have done it, is that right? Wet is gross, and we're in mixed company. Merely curious.
#68. To: NeoconsNailed (#67)
Yes, I did. It's a juvenile, never to be realized, sleep induced, orgasmic fantasy.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#69. To: Lod (#68)
No, you didn't. Wet dreams happen in teenage boys' pajamas. I fail to see why they must pepper conversation between conservatives like they do with liberals'.
#70. To: NeoconsNailed (#66)
It should do all of its printing on whatever brands of unperishable paper was seen around the grounds of the WTC on 9/11. I suppose the main reason that the govt doesn't issue yearly profit-sharing checks/dividends from its enterprisings is because it's miserly and usually claims to be a pauper. Also, we'd be like the Indians then who get such checks from their casino establishments. That's intriguing! One of my own: since the govt (or Fed)* just prints all the money it needs for what it wants to do and even misplaces trillions at a time, why doesn't it simply write every adult a check for 50 grand a year? Or say 10 or 20 grand to each household to keep people motivated to do more.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
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