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Title: McDonald's response to the $15 dollar an hour minimum wage
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Published: May 28, 2015
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Post Date: 2015-05-28 09:46:33 by Jethro Tull
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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
Ayn Rand... "The masses are but mere lice, with barely a right to live".
I have asked this question many times from those that decry unions, minimum wages etc etc... If union and wage laws were repealed, would the hourly rate go up, remain the same or go down????
If wage laws were repealed some would be paid more than others related to their skill and dependency, among other things.
Some of each, imo. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
If that were true, would it not also apply now? That current employers would pay some employees more, or is it most likely they pay only what the law requires? Having been child labor in the great depression, employers never, ever, paid for dependent or skilled help. Never happened. They could hire four children for twenty five cents each for ten to twelve hours labor, or hire a man for a dollar. We know who they hired. There is no milk of human kindness in employers, that will never happen.
If the law does not allow lesser wages and does not prohibit greater wages, one has to wonder why 99 per cent of employers have no employees warranting more than minimum wage.
They could hire four children for twenty five cents each for ten to twelve hours labor, or hire a man for a dollar. We know who they hired. There is no milk of human kindness in employers, that will never happen. Since there aren't unions for every category of work, it seems that only certain employers would be egregiously unfair like the lucrative coal mining industry, for example -- lucrative, as well, for the union industry that shields those employers from being bothered about any worker wage increases for years at a stretch until the next scheduled union negotiations. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
We could revert to the good olde days, "laborers" had no rights, no recourse, had nothing. How dare they? Example... My wife was taken at age twelve from an orphanage, by a judge, given to a school teacher for free labor, for six long years. That was during the great depression, humans were given away, no rights, nothing. Not so long ago, we had slave labor in this country, then we went to child labor, now some would revert back in time.
Some jobs are just meant to be entry level minimum wage jobs. In other cases, employees that have worked years to rise slowly and slightly above minimum wage are being reset back to minimum wage, or very close to it, every time that minimum wage is raised and they don't get a comparable cost of living increase in their wages too. No matter how much minimum wage is raised, it is still just minimum wage. Businesses can simply increase their prices by the percentage of increase, regardless if they have just one or very few minimum wage workers, and they profit much from the rest of their staff's earnings staying the same (thereby losing more and more of their percentage margin above minimum wage each time). Businesses make a big show of grumbling about it but they are actually being enriched each time by that raise robbery sleight-of-hand scam and its resultant virtual rollback of their longterm/above minimum wage workfore closer towards entry level payment where they started. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
HISTORY.... Henry Ford broke ranks with the capitalist barons by paying his workers five dollars a day. The business world was outraged. Ford was making millions, then he turned greedy, he "needed" to make more millions, but how? Ford invented the assembly line system. He had a bright idea, he could make more millions by speeding up the assembly line, paying the "laborers" the same pay to turn out more cars. Brilliant idea, make labor sweat, Ford has more millions to count. When the dastardly laborers had the audacity to go on strike, Ford and the police shot and killed a few of them, how dare they strike. No one went to jail, good men were dead and labor had learned their place at the bottom of the ladder.
Employers who only pay the bare minimum, will only have the bare-minimum type employees. Locally, I can see the difference in my Costco and SamsClub stores; night and day. Costco is one of the highest rated places to work, while Walmart is one of the most despised employers in the world. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
I think it's significant that McDonald's happens to be the one shown as computerizing counters. It's the most soulless and institutional-feeling of all the fast food chains. Well, I don't know about Jack-in-the-Box, because I would never and have never patronized a place with such an inane name and architectural look. McD's comes close, and I virtually never eat there either.
Not so long ago, we had slave labor in this country, then we went to child labor, now some would revert back in time. You should write up an essay about your & your wifes experience of what child labor was really like. That would generate a lot of interest because most people have never heard. Stories like that. I think laws against child labor today aren't to prohibit forced labor, but serve to quash enginuity and parents teaching their kid work ethic. When I was a kid I had candy stands and made a good profit. Id also do extra stuff like wash cars and walk dogs for extra cash. And it wasn't because I needed cash or was lacking anything, but rather it was fun to earn your own money. Today those would be prohibited by gov regulations. "Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Ha! That's funny, because we just went to jack in the box yesterday, in OKC. They have a 2 tacos for one dollar and I told my wife, I wonder what is this stuff they call meat because its just a weird mush, not like any meat I've ever seen. At least del taco has ground beef. But this mush stuff at Jacks is very shady. "Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
That's sad. I could recount some similar examples but it's not necessary to revert to the cruelties of times past in order to regulate businesses that want to be outlandish. Currently, the Federal Gov is itself basically in a pact with some commercial enterprises to subcontract Food Stamp recipients who are assigned to work-for-food. I suspect the Federales are profiting somehow as a sort of Temp Worker outlet for businesses that want to pay those centers an access fee for worker slaves who'll get zero actual-wages from them. That, of course, is not a good incentive for businesses to function more properly, fairly and supportively for the overall economy.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
I'm 33 years into a total boycott of McDonald's, and it feels great. I quit them even before I was awake to the health perils of their food. I quit them when they started using the obese football player "Refrigerator" Perry to ghetto rap their disgusting commercials. As far as I remember, McDonald's was the first to do that sort of thing. Can't stand it; won't support it.
People of this "modern" age do not want to read or hear of the past history of this country. The internet is replete with hundreds of photos of children working in American factories, as young as six years olde. At six he should become more "skilled" for higher wages? Hunger is a stern taskmaster, its lessons are never forgotten.
Remove minimum wage laws. Would pay increase, decrease or remain the same?
Henry Ford broke ranks with the capitalist barons by paying his workers five dollars a day. The business world was outraged. Ford was making millions, then he turned greedy, he "needed" to make more millions, but how? Ford invented the assembly line system. He had a bright idea, he could make more millions by speeding up the assembly line, paying the "laborers" the same pay to turn out more cars. Brilliant idea, make labor sweat, Ford has more millions to count. When the dastardly laborers had the audacity to go on strike, Ford and the police shot and killed a few of them, how dare they strike. No one went to jail, good men were dead and labor had learned their place at the bottom of the ladder. I'd have to check but that strike might be what sent Ford to Russia, where he likely made additional millions from his factory set ups there instead roundabout here. Do people really need a union to go on strike? I don't think so. The coal miners, for example, should have asserted that the resources being extracted were their State's property and theirs too as citizens of it, imo, and if the proprietors didn't see it that way, they could try to go elsewhere and the workers would continue working for their economy. The unions did nothing to facilitate any bargainings like that to benefit laborers. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
I have a head full of useless information. Ford and Stalin were olde buddies in the early 1930s. Of course Ford made millions off Stalin but Stalin got auto and truck factories with which to build tanks etc etc for WWII. The workers were shot in late 1930s, I cannot recall what year. If you ask why Stalin wanted armaments in 1930s, I will send along. Remember in early 1930s, Germany was training their army and air force in Russia, by and for Stalin.
I quit them even before I was awake to the health perils of their food. I quit them when they started using the obese football player "Refrigerator" Perry to ghetto rap their disgusting commercials. As far as I remember, McDonald's was the first to do that sort of thing. Can't stand it; won't support it. I boycotted Arby's for a long time because of their degrading commercial. After they stopped broadcasting that and seemed to be consistently moving away from those tactics, I decided to give them another chance. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
If anybody thinks this stinks, just wait until the Trans Pacific-Partnership is passed: every last job that can be sent to the Pacific Rim will fly out of America. Between that and the increase in H1-B visa's, a person will be lucky to get any job at all. This nation is just swirling around the (Pacific) rim before the final plunge.
#2. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
#3. To: Cynicom (#2)
If union and wage laws were repealed, would the hourly rate go up, remain the same or go down????
#4. To: Cynicom (#2)
If union and wage laws were repealed, would the hourly rate go up, remain the same or go down????
#5. To: Jethro Tull (#3)
If wage laws were repealed some would be paid more than others related to their skill and dependency, among other things.
#6. To: Lod (#4)
Some of each, imo.
#7. To: Cynicom (#5)
Having been child labor in the great depression, employers never, ever, paid for dependent or skilled help. Never happened.
#8. To: GreyLmist (#7)
#9. To: Cynicom (#6)
(Edited)
If the law does not allow lesser wages and does not prohibit greater wages, one has to wonder why 99 per cent of employers have no employees warranting more than minimum wage.
#10. To: GreyLmist (#9)
#11. To: Cynicom, 4 (#8)
#12. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
#13. To: Cynicom (#8)
My wife was taken at age twelve from an orphanage, by a judge, given to a school teacher for free labor, for six long years. That was during the great depression, humans were given away, no rights, nothing.
#14. To: NeoconsNailed (#12)
Well, I don't know about Jack-in-the-Box, because I would never and have never patronized a place with such an inane name and architectural look.
#15. To: Cynicom (#8)
(Edited)
#16. To: NeoconsNailed, Jethro Tull (#12)
McD's comes close, and I virtually never eat there either.
#17. To: Artisan (#13)
#18. To: GreyLmist (#15)
That's sad. I could recount some similar examples but it's not necessary to revert to the cuelties of times past in order to regulate businesses that want to be outlandish
#19. To: Cynicom (#10)
(Edited)
HISTORY....
#20. To: GreyLmist (#19)
I'd have to check but that strike might be what sent Ford to Russia, where he likely made additional millions from his factory set ups there instead roundabout here
#21. To: StraitGate (#16)
I'm 33 years into a total boycott of McDonald's, and it feels great.
#22. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
-Alex Kurtagic
#23. To: Cynicom (#20)
Henry Ford built plants in Europe, which he was compensated for by FDR when we bombed them in WWII. His dislike of jews made him a supporter of Uncle Adolf. 
-Alex Kurtagic
#24. To: Jethro Tull (#0) (Edited)
McDonald's is better off closing for the population and economic heath reason anyway
if you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people
#25. To: Cynicom (#20)
Ford and Stalin were olde buddies in the early 1930s. Of course Ford made millions off Stalin but Stalin got auto and truck factories with which to build tanks etc etc for WWII. The workers were shot in late 1930s, I cannot recall what year. If you ask why Stalin wanted armaments in 1930s, I will send along. Remember in early 1930s, Germany was training their army and air force in Russia, by and for Stalin. Could you post that armament and training info for us? I suspect Ford may have been a camouflaged Communist and appreciate your insights on the past. I have a head full of useless information.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#26. To: GreyLmist (#25)
Holy shit!! Ford hated communism with a passion because they tend to nationalize factories. Get that ugly thought out of your head. I suspect Ford may have been a camouflaged Communist
-Alex Kurtagic
#27. To: X-15 (#23)
In France in particular. We were not allowed to bomb them, even tho the French were building and selling trucks to Hitler. Big business does in fact own and operate this criminal government. Henry Ford built plants in Europe,
#28. To: X-15, GreyLmist (#26)
Holy shit!! Ford hated communism with a passion because they tend to nationalize factories. Get that ugly thought out of your head. Ford would and did business with the Devil if he made a buck. Hitler and Stalin both paid. I suspect Ford may have been a camouflaged Communist
#29. To: X-15 (#26)
Easier said than done. Will give it another try but it usually returns like a boomerang. I suspect Ford may have been a camouflaged Communist Holy shit!! Ford hated communism with a passion because they tend to nationalize factories. Get that ugly thought out of your head.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#30. To: GreyLmist (#25)
Here is written historical account, one of many. There are also photos on internet. Could you post that armament and training info for us?
#31. To: Cynicom (#28)
www.washingtonpost.com/wp...aily/nov98/ nazicars30.htm By Michael Dobbs Washington Post Staff Writer Monday, November 30, 1998; Page A01 When American GIs invaded Europe in June 1944, they did so in jeeps, trucks and tanks manufactured by the Big Three motor companies in one of the largest crash militarization programs ever undertaken. It came as an unpleasant surprise to discover that the enemy was also driving trucks manufactured by Ford and Opel -- a 100 percent GM-owned subsidiary -- and flying Opel-built warplanes. (Chrysler's role in the German rearmament effort was much less significant.) When the U.S. Army liberated the Ford plants in Cologne and Berlin, they found destitute foreign workers confined behind barbed wire and company documents extolling the "genius of the Fuehrer," according to reports filed by soldiers at the scene. A U.S. Army report by investigator Henry Schneider dated Sept. 5, 1945, accused the German branch of Ford of serving as "an arsenal of Nazism, at least for military vehicles" with the "consent" of the parent company in Dearborn. The relationship of Ford and GM to the Nazi regime goes back to the 1920s and 1930s, when the American car companies competed against each other for access to the lucrative German market. Hitler was an admirer of American mass production techniques and an avid reader of the antisemitic tracts penned by Henry Ford. "I regard Henry Ford as my inspiration," Hitler told a Detroit News reporter two years before becoming the German chancellor in 1933, explaining why he kept a life-size portrait of the American automaker next to his desk. Although Ford later renounced his antisemitic writings, he remained an admirer of Nazi Germany and sought to keep America out of the coming war. In July 1938, four months after the German annexation of Austria, he accepted the highest medal that Nazi Germany could bestow on a foreigner, the Grand Cross of the German Eagle. The following month, a senior executive for General Motors, James Mooney, received a similar medal for his "distinguished service to the Reich."
-Alex Kurtagic
#32. To: pmg (#24)
Never met an irreligious person. if you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people
#33. To: Artisan (#14)
I had the red burrito combo at Hardee's yesterday, Art -- nice price and the meat was pretty convincing.
#34. To: X-15 (#26)
And yet, he established factories in Communist Russia. It's probably not even been 5 minutes since I once again tried to dislodge the thought of him possibly being a camouflaged Communist and it's back already. Ford hated communism with a passion because they tend to nationalize factories.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#35. To: Cynicom (#32)
Never met an irreligious person. Don't mind him cynicon,that guy is a moron as evidenced by his willingness to aid and abed in international felonies. if you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people
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#36. To: X-15 (#31)
Thanks... Big business did business with both sides. My complaint is that they also sent useless eaters such as myself to bleed and die for the bastards. Big business is now doing well with China, making billions, when war is decided, the lice at the bottom will once again be thrown into the death trap.
#37. To: Cynicom (#18)
Would pay increase, decrease or remain the same? Pay would decrease for some, but it would overall be a benefit for them and most other people. Minimum wage may have been needed 100 years ago, but socialist utopians have turned it into a cancerous growth along with most other things that offer any benefit. Remove minimum wage laws.
#38. To: titorite (#35)
Thanks.
#39. To: Cynicom (#38)
LOL! Thanks.
#40. To: Cynicom (#32)
Wise words! Everybody has a religion. A religion is any system of beliefs and values that someone clings "religiously", i.e. the most fervently. Most atheists embrace humanism, ruled a religion in American Humanist Association v. United States. So-called liberalism seems to be the religion most passionately clung to today. Thus there are no atheists in Ivy League foxholes, er, dorm rooms. The creation account on which this cult hangs is evolutionism, which looks as silly to truly independent minds as Adam and Eve do to Harvard faculty until those good ole TRANSITIONAL FORMS turn up in the fossil record. Maybe they're right down there among all those "fossil fuels", hm hmmm..... Never met an irreligious person.
#41. To: Jethro Tull (#39)
Spare time today, have been wading thru the impending possible war scenarios being floated for upcoming war in Asia. There are NO opinions or thoughts of possibility of no war. None. Americans need to wake up.
#42. To: X-15 (#31)
Great stuff, thanks.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#43. To: Cynicom (#36)
My complaint is that they also sent useless eaters such as myself to bleed and die for the bastards. Big business is now doing well with China, making billions, when war is decided, the lice at the bottom will once again be thrown into the death trap. Take pride in being one of the very few veterans actually honoring his oath, Cynicom -- on the battlefield or off. Barbaric countries love war and eagerly sacrifice their youth to it -- the only citizens young and clueless enough to go. In this sense amerika and the other largest countries (and supposedly best-educated) are pre-medieval in their level of basic decency. I was probably about 7 when they told me it was just normal and required that every young man spend a couple of years in the military whether there was a war on or not. Every atom of my being revolted against this even back then! I really, REALLY didn't like the idea that I was expected to do anything when I grew up, including paying taxes -- and every bit of that revulsion has been vindicated by the rest of life. Big business did business with both sides.
#44. To: titorite (#35)
personal attacks again..mmmm
if you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people
#45. To: Cynicom, 4 (#41)
I'm listening to the talking Macaws dispense economic advice on CNBC. They mentioned China's biggest one day stock market plunge since 2008 exactly once. I know of one sure fire way to kick start an economy.... profit.ndtv.com/news/mark...t-crash-since-2008-766688
#46. To: pmg (#44)
Says the moron that raises his voice to.a.child.because he's not a real man. You tabarnak are despicable. personal attacks again..mmmm
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#47. To: Cynicom (#30) (Edited)
Here is written historical account, one of many. There are also photos on internet. Thanks much but it happened while I was reading through it that this part was not at all helpful to my efforts of reimaging Henry Ford as something other than a camouflaged Communist: Couldn't manage to translate those German words and all I could find about the company was that it has something to do with applied-research services for private and public enterprise. Back now to working at not thinking about Henry Ford anymore as maybe a disguised Communist. SUBARU LEGACY | JR. DRIVER COMMERCIAL Could you post that armament and training info for us?
During the months of August and September of 1923, the German company of GEFU (Gesellschaft für Förderung gewerblicher Unternehmungen) created a joint-venture company with its Soviet counterpart, Bersol. Two headquarters were created; one in Berlin and one in Moscow.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#48. To: titorite (#46)
sure all in your head all in there juste for you
if you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people
#49. To: pmg (#48)
In my head. Dude their is a pm system you could use it to insult me like you normally do instead of shitting all over.this thread thanks. sure all in your head all in there juste for you
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#50. To: titorite (#49)
are you ever reading your own post?? LMFAO
if you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people
#51. To: GreyLmist (#47)
GEFU = society for the promotion of commercial enterprises. I guess since everybody already knows I'm a heretic, I'll posit that Ford and Detriot wordlessly demonstrate that mfg is no basis for a healthy long-term economy. Well, the total state of things shouts it in my view. Even if Ford wasn't a commie, mfg requires a constant stream of consumption and this breeds massive overkill and waste. Mfg has wings -- it suddenly flees an area after making it a major paragon of prosperity. Gary, Camden, the whole rust belt, this whole damn country!
#52. To: NeoconsNailed (#51)
Invention, innovation, and manufacturing new goods and products are the very backbone of a healthy society and economy, in my view.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#53. To: Lod, Cynicom, 4 (#52)
We have to keep in mind this oligarchic shite posing as capitalism today isn't related to Adam Smith at all. What we have is greed stuffed in an undersized 3-piece suit.
#54. To: NeoconsNailed (#33)
That's interesting, I know a little bit about the history of hardees and their mexican menu. Hardees is the east coast spin off of Carls Jr, which was foinded in CA by Carl Karcher, a Catholic guy who began with a hot dog stand in So. Cal. (Karcher & his brother Frank donated lots of $$ to a beautiful Passionist Retreat Center called Mater Dolorosa in sierra Madre, CA.` Carls Jr only sold hamburgers and stuff for years. Pretty good burger. Meanwhile in the 80s a startup called Green Burrito began in So Cal and had very good quality Mex fast food. Burrito combos tacos, nachos, et, with fresh salsa bar. The chain began to franchose their stores and expan. I was friends with two guys who opened one in so. Cal. It was an amazing success story as they both, childhood pals from NY, quickly earned brand new homes & mercedes. They were PR genius and genuinely great wth people and great food to boot at their green urrito. (Which had nothing whatsoever to do with mega chain Carls jr/Hardees). Then, someone at corporate GB sold out to Carls which then began adding green burrito to its menu. However, the food quality and uniquiness went down the drain sadly. The independent green burriros still existed along with the green burritos in Carls jr. East coast Hardees callled it "Red Burrito", same menu as the GB in Carls. While its not bad for americanized Mx fast food, it doesn't hold a candle to the original GB. Though GB will always hold nice memories for me for many reasons. ;-)
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
#55. To: NeoconsNailed (#51)
Ford was a friend of Fr Coughlin and despised by the jews, so I think that qualifies him as OK in my book. Where-t-f did this Ford/Commie meme come from?
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
#56. To: Lod (#52)
And most people's, 'tis clear. Invention, innovation, and manufacturing new goods and products are the very backbone of a healthy society and economy, in my view.
#57. To: Jethro Tull (#53) (Edited)
Fine, but what else is there ever with a mfg basis? What else could there ever be, in view of life, exploitation and pollution since the Industrial Revo began? We have to keep in mind this oligarchic shite posing as capitalism today isn't related to Adam Smith at all. What we have is greed stuffed in an undersized 3-piece suit.
#58. To: Artisan (#55)
I have no idea. Corporations only have loyalty/ideology to profits; they don't care the country of origin. Where-t-f did this Ford/Commie meme come from?
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#59. To: Artisan (#55)
Kudos for the (I think) proper (for once) use of the word meme. People might have gotten carried away with here calling him a communist, but if (!) it's true he did such business with the USSR that's not good at all. That's the problem with the super-wealthy -- nasty revelations about them keep popping up. Ford gave Americans affordable wheels and workers a decent wage, bravo for that, but was FoMoCo overall a blessing or a curse on Detriot? The town I live in has never known the heights of luxury and prestige Detriot did, but it's also never been turned into a black hole despite having its negro content. How long, in fact, was Detroit's Ford-induced heyday -- 30 years, say from 1925 to 1955? It's been an infamous negropolis as long as this baby boomer can remember. I don't mind a bit if Henry Ford helped the Nazis. Has a mighty purty ring to it! Ford was a friend of Fr Coughlin and despised by the jews, so I think that qualifies him as OK in my book. Where-t-f did this Ford/Commie meme come from?
#60. To: Artisan (#54)
Don't tell anybody, but I think the mushroom and swiss thickburgers a work of art. Must be full of MSG or something -- I do see double and can't sleep for 3 days after eating one (just kidding).
#61. To: Cynicom, christine (#17)
The internet is replete with hundreds of photos of children working in American factories, as young as six years olde. I don't think that's true, I think that many people would be very interested in your stories, myself included. I could publish it and I think it would get a lot of readership. Small snippets on 4um now & again don't do all your knowledge & experiences justice, in my opinion. I told some others here the story of my dad. I made a point to record many hours of video interviews with him about his life, etc for the future generations of our family. It is a priceless collection lept intact and I encourage everyone else to do the same with their parents and grandparents. I bet you have a lot of interesting photos & momentos too. I love that kind of stuff. People of this "modern" age do not want to read or hear of the past history of this country.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
#62. To: Artisan, Cynicom, 4 (#61)
I agree; anecdotal history is just fascinating. I bet you have a lot of interesting photos & mementos too. I love that kind of stuff.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#63. To: NeoconsNailed, Jethro Tull, Tatarewicz (#57)
Fine, but what else is there ever with a mfg basis? What else could there ever be, in view of life, exploitation and pollution since the Industrial Revo began? Interesting suggestions recently by Tatarewicz that might be workable for a self-employed, labor based alternative-economy option instead of just the one that's business/mfg/financing based: Post #5 of 4um Title: SECRET MEETING IN LONDON TO “END CASH” We have to keep in mind this oligarchic shite posing as capitalism today isn't related to Adam Smith at all. What we have is greed stuffed in an undersized 3-piece suit.
Eliminate monetary reward altogether; operate as a family under guidance of computer programmers. Western society now has more than enough resources and skilled labor to provide everyone with the basics of food, shelter and medical. Items beyond basics available on the basis of merit in terms of wealth production and training achieved to be available to do a job. Money stewards and counters are a redundancy in a cyber-robotics age; would be more useful in fixing potholes.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#64. To: Artisan (#55) (Edited)
I don't remember. lol Just kidding. : ) It was me. Just something that I've wondered about now and again amongst the run-up of things to WWII. Didn't know he was friends with Fr. Coughlin...but a Commie surely might want to infiltrate his ministry. Just sayin'. Ford was a friend of Fr Coughlin and despised by the jews, so I think that qualifies him as OK in my book. Where-t-f did this Ford/Commie meme come from?
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#65. To: GreyLmist (#63)
Many aspire to much more than surviving here. Operating "under guidance of computer programmers" sounds like a socialist's wet dream. No thank you.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#66. To: GreyLmist (#63)
That's intriguing! One of my own: since the govt (or Fed)* just prints all the money it needs for what it wants to do and even misplaces trillions at a time, why doesn't it simply write every adult a check for 50 grand a year? Or say 10 or 20 grand to each household to keep people motivated to do more. It would instantly cure poverty and if they want to provide free drugs to proven addicts (or just legalize everything) that will end the drug war. To keep people responsible it could start really enforcing penalties on those that drive stoned etc. *or FED as lots of our folk would naively write it.
#67. To: Lod (#65) (Edited)
Now, did you have to say wet dream? The word dream wouldn't have done it, is that right? Wet is gross, and we're in mixed company. Merely curious.
#68. To: NeoconsNailed (#67)
Yes, I did. It's a juvenile, never to be realized, sleep induced, orgasmic fantasy.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#69. To: Lod (#68)
No, you didn't. Wet dreams happen in teenage boys' pajamas. I fail to see why they must pepper conversation between conservatives like they do with liberals'.
#70. To: NeoconsNailed (#66)
It should do all of its printing on whatever brands of unperishable paper was seen around the grounds of the WTC on 9/11. I suppose the main reason that the govt doesn't issue yearly profit-sharing checks/dividends from its enterprisings is because it's miserly and usually claims to be a pauper. Also, we'd be like the Indians then who get such checks from their casino establishments. That's intriguing! One of my own: since the govt (or Fed)* just prints all the money it needs for what it wants to do and even misplaces trillions at a time, why doesn't it simply write every adult a check for 50 grand a year? Or say 10 or 20 grand to each household to keep people motivated to do more.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#71. To: All (#63)
Would be more workable if people who prefered to use cash had the option of being issued spendable certificates for their labor and contributions. Similarly, I remember when items could be purchased with Green Stamps and Blue Chip Stamps. That could maybe work well again, too, as an alternative monetary system. Possibly, the reason those were phased out is because they functioned very well transactionally and the Fed Res conglomerates lobbied against it. Eliminate monetary reward altogether; operate as a family under guidance of computer programmers. ... Money stewards and counters are a redundancy in a cyber-robotics age; would be more useful in fixing potholes.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#72. To: NeoconsNailed (#69)
How did your street agitation go yesterday? Any pics?
#73. To: Jethro Tull (#72)
It went great, thanks. No pics. The 15th anniv of the Confederate flag sellout in Columbia is coming up June 1. Anybody want to picket some of the traitors?
#74. To: NeoconsNailed (#73)
Can I picket from the comfort of my sofa?
#75. To: X-15, 4 (#22) (Edited)
Archiving some relevant migrant and economic info: From 4um Title: 49 U.S. Governors Request Refugees from Feds May 25, 2015 Exclusive From AFP [American Free Press] Activist Frank George of Wyoming has been working tirelessly to bring attention to the so-called U.S. Refugee Resettlement Program (RRP). Officially, the program falls under the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. But unlike most federal programs, the process is pretty simple. What happens is that the governor of a state, who wants to become a part of the program, contacts the federal government, which works in conjunction with the United Nations (UN) and non-governmental organizations (NGOs) like the secular Lutheran Services in America. The Catholic Church is also deeply involved in this program along with other denominations that sound like churches but are in reality NGOs. The NGOs are key to this, because they, with the help of the UN, seek out refugee populations to bring into the U.S. These private organizations are then paid by the head, much as with cattle, by the federal government, and sometimes even state funds are tapped for this purpose. Directors of these NGOs can earn as much as $400,000 a year, and the more people they bring into the U.S., the more money they make. Many population foreign-imports are likely to apply for gov assistance. Comparing that stage of the business profiteering process above to observations at Post #15 about regulating businesses that want to be outlandish and slave labor acquisitionists: Additionally: washingtontimes.com: Federal appeals court deals blow to President Obama’s amnesty [4um reference here] just wait until the Trans Pacific-Partnership is passed: every last job that can be sent to the Pacific Rim will fly out of America. Between that and the increase in H1-B visa's, a person will be lucky to get any job at all. This nation is just swirling around the (Pacific) rim before the final plunge.
At a time when the United States suffers from record high joblessness, unprecedented debt and a failing economy, governors in 49 states across the country have been taking money from the federal government to “resettle” refugees from third world countries in Africa and the Middle East. It’s all part of a little-known program whereby states like Wyoming and Minnesota, which have seen thousands of good-paying, middle-class jobs exported to foreign lands, agree to take in tens of thousands of foreign immigrants, who will no doubt have to depend on taxpayer-funded medical care and other welfare services.
Currently, the Federal Gov is itself basically in a pact with some commercial enterprises to subcontract Food Stamp recipients who are assigned to work-for-food. I suspect the Federales are profiting somehow as a sort of Temp Worker outlet for businesses that want to pay those centers an access fee for worker slaves who'll get zero actual-wages from them. That, of course, is not a good incentive for businesses to function more properly, fairly and supportively for the overall economy.
judges have ruled that Mr. Obama can’t go further and grant many [illegal alien] people an affirmative status carrying all sorts of benefits, including driver’s licenses, tax credits and preferential work status under the terms of Obamacare.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#76. To: Jethro Tull (#74) (Edited)
Suit yourself, but it sounds like you could use a little fresh air.
#77. To: NeoconsNailed, Jethro Tull, Lod, Cynicom (#76) (Edited)
I for one am thankful I can get in my car and buy toothpaste. It was getting tiresome finding chalky deposits near cliffsides, pulverising it in a pestal really got to be a chore. It left me with no time to forage for fresh mint leaves.
corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
#78. To: Dakmar (#77)
Life's a bitch, move to Waco; they've lots of toothpaste and mouthwash there.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#79. To: Lod (#78)
Free roaming mouthwash bushes? I'm there dude!
corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
#80. To: Lod, Dakmar (#78)
And used Harley-Davidson's, thought the titles might be a bit 'murky' :-o move to Waco; they've lots of toothpaste and mouthwash there.
-Alex Kurtagic
#81. To: GreyLmist (#21)
I haven't been to Arby's in many years, but out of curiosity I just checked their website, and that smokehouse brisket sandwich looks pretty good. I'll have to try when I'm in town one of these days. McDonalds doesn't show any sign of resting from its role in the culture war against us; they're 365 Black now, and have been for some time. http://www.mcdonalds.com/365black/en/home.html I boycotted Arby's for a long time because of their degrading commercial. After they stopped broadcasting that and seemed to be consistently moving away from those tactics, I decided to give them another chance.
#82. To: StraitGate (#81)
The brisket sandwich is a disappointment after my love affair with the reuben, the $1+ chocolate turnovers and all-too-temporary Andes mint chocolate shake. Arby's ain't your usual fast food joint. The one near me has an almost chic interior formerly including fake plants. The drive-through's alongside a curving row of mimosas. They had good club sandwiches for awhile on real bread. Curly fries are decadently delicious when fresh enough.
#83. To: GreyLmist (#71)
Certificates like cash seem to me to be a redundancy which uses up manpower, energy and resources. In Canada today medical and hospital care is available to all without having to pay any cash or present any certificates other than ID. Only medications have a charge and even these are mostly paid for out of taxes in the case of seniors. Patients don't even get a statement of what care costs and now there are so many doctors that clinics are advertising for patients and hospital docs make a real pitch for some therapy they feel you need. Food production is in so much surplus that it is estimated up 40% has to be thrown out. Add to this the cost of retailing. Would be much less wasteful to have programmers set up algorithms to determine each family's food requirements in advance, centrally package a week's supply and deliver the entitlement the way milk used to be delivered. Algorithms could likewise be devised to survey the population for needs/wants and determine what training/skills are required to meet people's desires. If you came up with an idea for a service or product (to enhance your merit status) an algorithm would do a market survey and determine feasibility, then arrange supply of resources and manpower to put your idea into production. Thanks for your input. Would be more workable if people who preferred to use cash had the option of being issued spendable certificates for their labor and contributions.
#84. To: Tatarewicz (#83)
15-20 years ago when this was all a lot newer we consistently heard that Canadians had endless long waits for basic (even urgent) procedures, it wasn't really that economical, Canadians were mobbing doctors south of the border in amerika. No longer the case? Never was? As ripped up by "diversity" as Canada is, I suspect it's not even half as bad as amerika yet in that regard, and if things like this "free" care work up there, it may not be a given they'd work here.
#85. To: NeoconsNailed (#84)
Reason Canucks went south for operations is that Canada lagged by ten years the advances made in US. This was told to me by a hospital worker when I mentioned a stenting technique or something like that. Canadians were mobbing doctors south of the border in amerika. No longer the case? Never was?
#86. To: Tatarewicz (#85) (Edited)
I have no way to dispute it, but it seems really strange that our only immediate first-world naber, sometimes dubbed the 51st state, would lag that far -- especially with less of the affirmative action shackles on them than we. DO you live in or near Canada?
#87. To: pmg (#24)
I don't know...I think the metabolic syndrome look has a certain appeal. McDonald's is better off closing for the population and economic heath reason anyway
#88. To: Tatarewicz (#83) (Edited)
Certificates like cash seem to me to be a redundancy which uses up manpower, energy and resources. In Canada today medical and hospital care is available to all without having to pay any cash or present any certificates other than ID. Only medications have a charge and even these are mostly paid for out of taxes in the case of seniors. Patients don't even get a statement of what care costs and now there are so many doctors that clinics are advertising for patients and hospital docs make a real pitch for some therapy they feel you need. Food production is in so much surplus that it is estimated up 40% has to be thrown out. Add to this the cost of retailing. Would be much less wasteful to have programmers set up algorithms to determine each family's food requirements in advance, centrally package a week's supply and deliver the entitlement the way milk used to be delivered. Algorithms could likewise be devised to survey the population for needs/wants and determine what training/skills are required to meet people's desires. If you came up with an idea for a service or product (to enhance your merit status) an algorithm would do a market survey and determine feasibility, then arrange supply of resources and manpower to put your idea into production. Thanks for your input. Similarly: zengardner.com Jun 24, 2015: Tim Jenkin – The Community Exchange System [20.75 minute video -- sport scoring comparison to explain the alternative monetary concept of cashless earnings by electronic-accounting; credit/debit card-like, as people have long been accustomed to using but usually with an option to convert their earnings into cash as well.] Published at YouTube on Jul 2, 2013 by School of Business and Economics This interview is part of an article published in the online magazine Talkin'Business of the School of Business and Economics at Maastricht University. Would be more workable if people who preferred to use cash had the option of being issued spendable certificates for their labor and contributions.
Very informative interview with Tim Jenkin, who founded the CES in Cape Town, an amazingly user-friendly alternative economy that has gone global over the last few years.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
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