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Title: The other Kennedy conspiracy (RFK)
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URL Source: http://www.salon.com/2011/11/21/the_other_kennedy_conspiracy/
Published: Jun 7, 2015
Author: staff
Post Date: 2015-06-07 02:31:26 by Horse
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Each November, the media recalls the assassination of President Kennedy and its attendant controversies. Rarely, however, is a second Kennedy anniversary acknowledged. On Nov. 20, 2011, Robert Kennedy — JFK’s brother and devoted political partner — would have turned 86 years old had he not also been assassinated. Although the mainstream media has been all but silent on this case, the facts scream out for a deeper investigation. The story of Robert Kennedy’s assassination seems deceptively simple. After winning the California Democratic presidential primary on June 4, 1968, Sen. Robert Kennedy traversed a pantry at the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles. A young Palestinian Christian named Sirhan Sirhan pulled a gun and fired. Kennedy died roughly 25 hours later. Five others were wounded. Sirhan was tried and convicted. End of story, right? Not so fast. A crime is like a jigsaw puzzle. You can’t solve the puzzle by forcing a piece where it doesn’t belong. The theory that Sirhan killed Kennedy is an ill-fitting piece not supported by the physical evidence. Here are some facts that are not in dispute. Fact: The medical evidence showed that Kennedy was shot four times from behind from a distance of 1 to 6 inches. The fatal shot entered Kennedy from 1 inch behind Kennedy’s right ear. Fact: All witnesses placed Sirhan in front of Kennedy. Not one witness put Sirhan’s gun muzzle closer than a foot to Kennedy, and most witnesses placed the muzzle about 3 feet away. Based on these two facts alone, Los Angeles County coroner Thomas Noguchi wrote in his memoir, “Thus I have never said that Sirhan Sirhan killed Robert Kennedy.” Fact: Seven bullets were recovered from six pantry victims. Another bullet was lost in the ceiling space. Sirhan’s gun could only hold eight bullets. But an FBI agent photographed four additional “bullet holes” in the pantry. This so worried Los Angeles County officials that, nine years later, they asked the FBI essentially for a retraction, noting that if those were, in fact, “bullet holes,” as the bureau unequivocally stated, “We should certainly find out who else was firing.” In recent years, an audiotape recorded by Stanislaw Pruszynski, a Polish reporter covering the 1968 presidential campaign for Canadian newspapers, resurfaced that supported the FBI’s finding. Sound engineer Philip Van Praag used sophisticated equipment to analyze the tape and found at least 12 shot sounds on the tape. He also found that two pairs of shots came too close together to have been fired from a single gun. The evidence clearly points to at least two shooters that night in the Ambassador pantry. In addition to the physical evidence, multiple witnesses spotted other men with drawn guns in the pantry. Fact: Richard Lubic, a televison producer, was standing behind Kennedy during the shooting. Lubic saw an arm to his right with a gun but could not see who was holding the gun. After Kennedy fell, Lubic knelt to help Kennedy and saw a security guard, Thane Eugene Cesar, with his gun drawn and pointing toward the floor. The Los Angeles Police Department later put enormous pressure on Lubic to change his story. Lubic was visited at home by LAPD investigators, who told him, “Don’t bring this up, don’t be talking about this.” Fact: Donald Schulman, a young runner for a local TV station, claimed he saw security guard Cesar fire his gun. Schulman also told the LAPD he saw three guns in the pantry. (Some authors have mistakenly suggested Schulman wasn’t in the pantry, but LAPD records confirm that he was.) Fact: Sandy Serrano, a Kennedy campaign volunteer, told NBC News reporter Sander Vanocur on live TV about seeing a young woman in a polka dot dress and a male companion who had passed her on a fire escape. The woman in the polka dot dress said, “We shot him, we shot him!” Serrano asked whom they shot. The woman said, “Senator Kennedy,” and ran off. A witness in the pantry, Vincent DiPierro, told the LAPD about a woman in a white dress with dark polka dots who seemed to be “holding” Sirhan just before the shooting. Fact: The police were so interested in this “girl in the polka dot dress” that they issued an APB for her and specifically asked nearly all the witnesses interviewed whether they had seen anyone fitting her description. But when the story started to gain traction in the press, the LAPD declared that a blond girl on crutches in a bright green dress with yellow lemons dotting it was “the girl in the polka dot dress” and closed the book on this subject. A new novel called “The Girl in the Polka Dot Dress” conjures an imaginary history for this illusory character. It’s a shame the novelist didn’t review the actual record, as the LAPD files suggest an even more provocative back story, which has not yet appeared in print, but will, when I finish the nonfiction book I’m writing about this case. If one accepts the existing evidence, at least two people were firing bullets. And if two people were shooting, not only was there a conspiracy, it was such a sophisticated one that it has eluded prosecution for over 40 years. The piece that has never fit has been Sirhan himself. Why did he never identify his co-conspirators? In addition, Sirhan has always claimed he had no memory of this crime. He had no idea why he shot Kennedy, nor did he remember writing in a notebook, over and over, “RFK must die.” Could Sirhan have been hypnotized? I know how crazy this sounds to people who haven’t studied the history of mind control. It sounds like the stuff of Hollywood fiction. (On the other hand, where do you think Hollywood gets those stories? William Bryan, a renowned hypnotist who consulted on the making of the film “The Manchurian Candidate,” called a radio show shortly after Kennedy was shot to suggest Sirhan had been hypnotically programmed.) Several witnesses, including some of the Los Angeles police officers who interacted with Sirhan immediately after the shooting, commented on Sirhan’s preternatural calmness before, during and after the shooting. LAPD officer Randolph Adair said in later years, “The guy was real confused. It was like it didn’t exactly hit him what he had done. He had a black, glassed-over look on his face — like he wasn’t in complete control of his mind at the time.” Both Sirhan’s defense team and the prosecution tried and failed to get Sirhan to recall shooting Kennedy under hypnosis. Both, however, presumed his guilt and tried to get him to “admit” it while in a trance, which Sirhan never did. Sirhan’s current attorney, William Pepper, recently had an expert hypnotize Sirhan in an open-ended fashion, during which Sirhan finally recalled that the touch of a girl in the pantry sent Sirhan into a mode where he thought he was firing at a target on a range. Could the girl in a polka dot dress DiPierro saw “holding” Sirhan moments before the shooting began have triggered his act? On Channel 4 in the U.K. last month, hypnotist Derren Brown tested this scenario on his TV show “The Experiments.” He took a highly hypnotizable subject and, over a two-month period, trained him to shoot and “kill” a celebrity. The subject, however, did not know this was the experiment’s goal. Brown gave his subject a two-part trigger that would send him into a hypnotic state: a polka dot pattern and a unique cellphone ring tone. When he saw this pattern and heard the tone, the young man was taught to touch his head to focus his concentration, and then fire a gun at a target on a range. But his final test occurred not at a range, but at a taping of British entertainer Stephen Fry’s show. As the subject watched the show from a back row, a hidden camera showed a girl in a polka dot dress enter and sit in front of the subject. The cellphone rang. The girl turned to the subject and whispered, “The target is Stephen Fry.” The subject hesitated a moment, then touched his forehead, opened the case, pulled out a gun loaded with blanks, stood, and fired. Stephen Fry, who was wired with squibs (the exploding fake blood packets used in movies to simulate gunshots), fell down “dead.” The hypnotized man showed no reaction at the time. When shown a video of his act later, the subject seemed genuinely surprised at what he had done. If Sirhan was hypnotized, is there any chance he could be “innocent” of the crime, as his current lawyers are pleading? While I’m not aware of any American precedent to such a claim, there was a similar case in Denmark in the 1950s. Palle Hadrup, who had committed a murder, was charged only with temporary insanity because the jury believed he had killed under the hypnotic influence of another man, a hardened criminal who directed Hadrup to commit crimes. Poster Comment: RFK was shot 4 times at close range from the rear so Sirhan didn't do it. A total of 12 to 13 shots were fired according sound engineers. Sirhan's revolver held only 8 bullets.
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#1. To: Horse (#0)
Right! Sirhan is another patsy or fall guy. Good for Salon, bringing this up -- liberals normally deride what they call conspiracy "theories", not feature them. Before any of this was known, Wilmot Robertson noted in either Instauration or The Dispossessed Majority that it was understandable if Palestinians hated Bobby since he was apparently a flaming Zionist.
And yet again we have the who, what, when and how but never the why. His brother was killed in Dallas and still to this day, the question of motive is rarely if ever discussed. Because if it were, we would have to question why. To do that would lead to the real powers behind the throne. Two men were killed. Two brothers. You could venture a guess that those that "hired" them were part of a cabal that has murdered millions and probably will kill millions more. These "people" and their ilk are long termers and their agenda would become clearer.
Nice try at deflection from current events, Salon. I'll take your work seriously when your left-wing, POS mag "screams" for an investigation of the current state of the nation - Hillary, Obama, Bush, et al. Until then I'll leave 1968 to history and stay focused on what will affect myself & family today, tomorrow and in the immediate future.
I think there is a conspiracy to hide the conspiracy to confuse the conspiracy lovers?
Don't forget Jon-Jon's plane was blown-up on descent to Martha's Vineyard; yet another Kennedy hit that allowed Hillary! to be junior Senator from NY.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
I wonder if Salon, or any other magazine, right or left, would consider
investigating Arthur Bremer and how he single-handedly destroyed the 3rd party
movement in America?
Can you give us a sketch of this? thanks.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
I just Googled it to refresh my memory. Wallace as a 3rd party candidate had
won the FL primary & was leading in MD when he was shot by Bremer. Prior to
the shooting Bremer had traveled to Canada & NYC (staying in the Waldorf) w/o any
visible means of support meeting with unknown people. He then left for MD where
he shot Wallace. Later, thanks to the Watergate tape revelations, it showed that
Nixon tried to plant McGovern campaign material in Bremer's apt, but the FBI had
sealed it off so that didn't happen. Wallace, paralyzed, went on to distance
himself from his past politics while Bremer was paroled in 2007. Wallace's son
made noise about a congressional hearing, but congress refused his request.
Rather than parole, I have no idea why Bremer wasn't charged w/murder once
Wallace succumbed to his wounds.
And simply befuddle those unable to disassemble their matryoshka doll-like machinations. Wallace was taken out, Perot was scared off and Paul was part of the scheme to make sure no third party arose.
Thanks for the refresher; didn't Wallace live for several years using a wheelchair before passing?
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
I thought of Perot when I was researching Bremer. As we know he was leading both Clinton & Bush when (IMO) the Bush family whispered in his ear. BTW, have you considered what would have happened historically if Nixon challenged the 1960 vote? That was a grand larceny, and it was common knowledge that Daley delivered dead voters from Cook County, IL to Joe Kennedy. I wonder who put the cork in Nixon's mouth?
Yes, quite a few years and normally the charge of murder (there is no statute of limitations on it) are filed in these kinds of cases.
Glad you mentioned Nixon... Younger ones here will not recall. Nixon was beaten by about 100,000 votes if I recall correctly. EVERYONE including myself expected a massive recount. The country was shocked when Nixon said no, it would not be good for the country to go through such a crisis. It could have been pressure but I have always believed that Nixon acted for the good of the country. I voted Nixon because of his war on communists in the government. That is why the Jews finally got him for payback.
Didn't he go after Alger Hiss in the 50s?
He lived 26 more years. Bremer update - “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
He nailed Hiss among others. That is why Nixon will go down in history as a terrible president. Nixon and Chambers unveiled the rotten lot of jew communists in our government. Jews never forget.
Good stuff. We're becoming walking history books by virtue of longevity.
He ripped Jews good in the Watergate tapes.
I become highly agitated when Americans ridicule Nixon because they have been brainwashed by the jew media. Same Americans were not around when Nixon stood alone against jew communist bastards in our government.
Jew Norman Felt wanted Hoovers job at FBI, Nixon said he would never make a jew head of FBI. Felt became DEEPTHROAT. May he rot in hell.
We all witnessed the unrelenting Al Gore in 2000 when he dragged out the electoral process despite calls for him to cease and desist his efforts "for the good of the country".
#2. To: Horse (#0)
#3. To: All (#0)
Although the mainstream media has been all but silent on this case, the facts scream out for a deeper investigation.
#4. To: Jethro Tull (#3)
Until then I'll leave 1968 to history and stay focused on what will affect myself & family today, tomorrow and in the immediate future.
#5. To: john stadtmiller, 4 (#2)
#6. To: Cynicom (#4)
#7. To: Jethro Tull (#6)
#8. To: Lod (#7)
#9. To: Cynicom (#4)
I think there is a conspiracy to hide the conspiracy to confuse the conspiracy lovers?
#10. To: Jethro Tull (#8)
#11. To: Jethro Tull (#8)
#12. To: Cynicom, Lod (#10)
Wallace was taken out, Perot was scared off and Paul was part of the scheme to make sure no third party arose.
#13. To: Lod (#11)
didn't Wallace live for several years using a wheelchair before passing?
#14. To: Jethro Tull, Lod, X-15 Americans (#12)
BTW, have you considered what would have happened historically if Nixon challenged the 1960 vote? That was a grand larceny, and it was common knowledge that Daley delivered dead voters from Cook County, IL to Joe Kennedy. I wonder who put the cork in Nixon's mouth?
#15. To: Cynicom, 4 (#14)
#16. To: Jethro Tull (#13)
#17. To: Jethro Tull (#15)
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#18. To: Lod (#16)
#19. To: Cynicom (#17)
Nixon and Chambers unveiled the rotten lot of jew communists in our government. Jews never forget.
#20. To: Jethro Tull (#19)
#21. To: Jethro Tull (#19)
#22. To: Cynicom (#14)
-Alex Kurtagic
#23. To: X-15 (#22)
Gore was born, lived and raised in a hotel in Washington. Never lived in a common home. Thanks to jew communist Armand Hammer. We all witnessed the unrelenting Al Gore in 2000 when he dragged out the electoral process despite calls for him to cease and desist his efforts "for the good of the country".
#24. To: Horse (#0)
It seems that the article author is attempting to make a conspiracy where none exists: On the evening of 6th June 1968 Senator Robert Kennedy, younger brother of President John F. Kennedy, was shot and killed by Sirhan Sirhan, a Christian Arab who disagreed with RFK’s support for Israel. Kennedy was holding a rally and press conference at the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles, as part of his campaign for the Democratic Party’s Presidential nomination. Sirhan Sirhan had grown to resent America’s support of Israel and saw RFK as one of key supporters who should be targeted. Sirhan’s diary showed that his desire to kill Kennedy had reached obsessive levels. It was at the rally at the Ambassador when he hoped to strike, taking with him a .22 Iver- Johnson Cadet revolver. As Kennedy left the rally and proceeded through the hotel’s kitchen to speak at a press conference in another part of the hotel Sirhan stepped out from behind an ice machine and shot RFK 3 times, once in the head and twice in the back, Kennedy fell immediately. The small calibre of the pistol, .22, initially gave those at the scene hope however it was found that the first round had entered Kennedy’s skull just behind the right ear at almost point blank range causing the bullet and skull fragments to enter his brain. Despite this RFK remained conscious speaking to his wife, his FBI bodyguard William Barry and the busboy, Juan Romero, whose hand he was shaking when shot -who appears in the iconic photo taken by Boris Yaro (image one). Sirhan was immediately rushed by Barry who punched him in the face, along with Rosey Grier and several others Barry managed to restrain and eventually disarm the gunman, but by this time Kennedy was already fatally wounded and 5 more had been injured. During his initial attack and the struggle following it Sirhan had emptied his pistol’s 8 rounds into Kennedy and those surrounding him. www.historicalfirearms.in...e-gun-that-killed-rfk-22- caliber-iver-johnson
-Alex Kurtagic
#25. To: Cynicom, X-15, JT, 4 (#23)
searching for "are all jews communists?" revealed -
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#26. To: X-15 (#24)
SS was standing in front of Bobby who was shot in the back. Lee Harvey Sirhan.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#27. To: Lod, Cynicom (#25)
Even Cynicom has detailed the Jewish communists behind Chairman Mao dating back to his guerilla days in WWII.
-Alex Kurtagic
#28. To: Lod (#26)
Rosy Grier was very open about the whole affair: www.pbs.org/wnet/pioneers...sey-grier-on-the-kennedy- assassination/
-Alex Kurtagic
#29. To: X-15 (#28)
I was surprised that none of the previous articles mentioned Grier; he was in all the stories back when it happened, it seems like in my memory. Sorry, page not found.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#30. To: X-15, 4 (#28)
Here X I haven't heard the name George Plimpton in years. www.pbs.org/wnet/pioneers...elevision/theme/westerns/
#31. To: Horse (#0) (Edited)
Lisa Pease is making a living off of the conspiracy cottage-industry, and any association with Michael Moore immediately puts me off. She is a regular contributor to ConsortiumNews.com, Common Dreams, Truthout and Michael Moore’s site.
-Alex Kurtagic
#32. To: Lod, Christine (#29) (Edited)
I do wish that Christine would repair the auto-link feature, it never works for me.
-Alex Kurtagic
#33. To: X-15 (#28)
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/pioneers-of-television/video/rosey-grier-on-the-kennedy-assassination/ While they made Rosey Grier sound like a great guy for what he did, he failed to protect.
#34. To: X-15 (#32)
Thanks, I'd never seen that interview; but then, I've never watched PBS...
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#35. To: X-15 (#27)
Jew communists recruited Mao in 1919 when he was a student in Paris. Therein lies something many Americans fail to understand. Jew communists are in this for the long haul, going BEYOND generations. They never faltered, they picked Mao and stuck with him until they took China, Mao at the top as a figure head, they ran the store from the backroom. Does that sound similar to a situation we now have?
#36. To: X-15 (#24)
BS. Sirhan said he would have voted for RFK. RFK wanted to have the Jewish Lobby register as foreign agents for Israel. There were 12 or 12 shots fired. The fatal bullets were from the rear and from a closer range than Sirhan ever achieved.
The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie
#37. To: Horse (#36)
Go back up and read my post #24, especially the bolded parts.
-Alex Kurtagic
#38. To: Jethro Tull (#6) (Edited)
You are insensitive bringing that up at this time with no warning, and I think we should stop the proceedings and give you a special award. Arthur Bremer -- a name 1/100th as familiar as Lee Harvey Oswald, and probably 90% as important. Bremer....... Bremer, is that an Italian name? Lots of Jews are named Arthur, do you think he's -- JEWISH? HE'S STILL ALIVE........ why aren't Bill Moyers, Judy Woodruff et al flocking to him to get the real story on a clear conspiracy hit? He's free, even! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Bremer I wonder if Salon, or any other magazine, right or left, would consider investigating Arthur Bremer and how he single-handedly destroyed the 3rd party movement in America?
#39. To: Cynicom (#35) (Edited)
Keep this handy, everybody -- oh, NO, the Jewish Faces site is gone????? Text without pictures: Jewish Faces in the Chinese Government (Read 4399 times) http://theinfounderground.com/smf/index.php?topic=11956.0 Hold onto this till the doctor comes: Jews Created Communist China http://josministries.prophpbb.com/topic2027.html Ah! Here you are -- we're saved: Jewish Faces in Chinese Government http://www.radioislam.org/islam/english/jewishp/china/jew-china-gov.htm
#40. To: X-15, Pinguinite (#32)
Neil, could you please take a look at the Auto Hyperlink feature? Thanks! I do wish that Christine would repair the auto-link feature, it never works for me.
Truth is still truth even if no one believes it. A lie is still a lie even if everyone believes it.
#41. To: NeoconsNailed, 4 (#38)
Had it not been for Bremer, Wallace would have been known as the man who broke the R v D political death grip that has the country by it's throat. Arthur Bremer -- a name 1/100th as familiar as Lee Harvey Oswald, and probably 90% as important.
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