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Title: Open carry of firearms, Things to consider
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Published: Jun 9, 2015
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Post Date: 2015-06-09 16:18:54 by christine
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Houston, TX—Like many people I believe in our Constitution and Bill of Rights. There is no question in my mind that Americans have the absolute right to keep and carry arms everywhere. Politicians and some courts differ with this as they attempt to violate Americans rights under color of law. Saying that, mentioning the foolishness of civilians openly carrying firearms must be discussed and debated. The debate about the law here is long over for me. Open carry or any carry is the law of the land. The debate about the wisdom of open carrying in an urban setting must continue. Just because you can carry openly should you? I say that open carry is incredibly problematic and will put you in prison or worse! Let’s begin with the worse. If you’re carrying a gun for personal and family security doing that openly, deprives you of the element surprise needed to survive a violent event. Even worse, experienced violent criminals can be counted upon to attempt to strong-arm you for your weapon. The tactical disadvantages of open carry are huge. Other challenges are laid out like mines in a minefield. I’ve seen the fallout of open carry first hand. Here are just some scenarios: A gun rights hater sees you with your gun and calls 911. The story this jerk tells is exaggerated in many different ways because the caller wants to see the police confront you and your gun. The 911 caller will say, “the guy appears drugged up or drunk” or “The guy looks mean and angry and has his hand on the gun!” or “The guy is paying quick draw in the street!” The police can be counted on to treat the call like it is valid and the potential for disaster here is enormous. Then there is the town troublemaker who will see your weapon and will try to aggravate you and instigate to the point where something stupid happens. Last but not least is the malicious person that you may or may not know. He or she wants to see you in jail and calls 911 saying, “there’s a guy with a gun and he pointed at me and threatened to shoot me!” The police arrive and see you carrying the gun as described. With a complainant that continues with this lie the police have absolute probable cause to arrest you for a felony crime of Aggravated Assault. They will arrest you, seize your gun and you will spend the next year of your life fighting the lie in court. Between the huge cost for bail and lawyers, even if you win in court you lose. Yes, I’ve seen innocent people sent to prison for as much as seven years this way. If you are arrested for Aggravated Assault there is an 80% chance you will be convicted. Innocence is really irrelevant in today’s American courtrooms. If you are discreet and keep your weapon concealed you can avoid so many real booby traps that can kill you or ruin your life. Why would you take the unnecessary risks of open carry? Saying all of that there are places where open carry is not a problem Events like those put on by SASS (Single Action Shooting Society) or for filmmaking. I simply ask you to think before you place yourself in harm’s way by openly carrying. Poster Comment: Some valid points...
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#1. To: christine (#0)
The ideal is for many more people to be carrying, openly or otherwise. A store or theater in which half the people are wearing heat openly will be a safer one by far. Admittedly, it's tricky in this intermediate stage.
The people I've seen open carrying are generally on edge or should I say hyper alert. They are very conscious that strangers see their gun, and that's a large part of why they do it. They are asserting their right and proud of it, probably not worried about being accosted. Id like to hear details of the case the author refers to, the guy who went to jail for 7 years over a false accusation.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Extremely valid, imo
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
From what I understand, califrnia still allows open carry of rifles, but they outlawed open carry of handguns a few yrs ago. Even when they allowed it though, the gun had to be unloaded, which is useless anyway. The assemblyman who wrote the law introduced it days after returning from an Israel "legislative study trip", paid in full by some Ca Jew group. No shit. "Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
By an odd coincidence, all the red states in the chart touch on a national border. These patterns emerge over and over again. I realize they're tangential to the main issue but would love to know why they occur. Rich liberal fools live on oceanfronts, true, but SC isn't known for having any wealth beyond plutocratic Charleston. The yellow states are a pleasant shock. Is it really true that so many states allow total freedom on this? No surprise SC's in the red -- historically a gutsy, rebellious entity, it's ruled by the scum of the earth today, most of it pearly white I'm sorry to say.
I openly carry a rifle on my frequent walks down my road. For protection against vicious dogs as much as against violent criminals. But every warning in the article is valid, and should be carefully considered. I have seen many videos of people killed by trigger happy cops who invariably "feared for their life" upon seeing an armed citizen and shot him on sight. And there really are thousands or millions of people who would love see a gun owner gunned down -- or his life ruined by bogus felony charges -- and they would lie through their teeth to see that happen.
=================================== There are only 7 privately owned guns for every 100 Israelis; the rate in America is 89. U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
agreed (An aside: My husband doesn't want me to carry because he fears me being harassed (or worse) by a thug cop than he fears me being endangered by an everyday thug) Truth is still truth even if no one believes it. A lie is still a lie even if everyone believes it.
It's the Jues, it's the Jues, it's the Jues -- on every issue, whipping up problems from thin air and blowing real ones up 10 or 100 times what they would normally be! The above quote is re just ONE rock that's been turned over where ants, worms and centipedes are discovered strangely dancing the hora and singing hatikvah together. Give most any other a gentle nudge and it's the same thing. I'll be HAPPY to guide you.
This article is full of alarmist bullshit. Period. Here's how things actually work in the real world. The state you live in, affects whether or not you can or cannot open carry, with or without a permit. If you have a permit where I live, you may carry concealed, or you may open carry. I myself do not have a preference. The fact that I carry is my business and not something that affects others, because in just about every instance that someone takes notice of my firearm, nobody has said or done anything to make me hostile. I have had on more than one occasion had a gas station attendant stop my pump so that I could come inside, which sent a pack of teen thugs scurrying because they thought 5-O was on the scene. I have had one instance where a police officer was called to where I was with a "Man With A Gun" scenario. When he showed up, he went inside the gas station to talk to the person that called, then walked out and talked to me. When he told me what was up I was quite surprised, as I hadn't seen any crazy person with a gun. When he told me that I was the person they called about, he thought it was funny because at first glance, he thought I was an undercover cop. He was very nice to me, and he had no issues with carry permit holders exercising their god given right to self defense. You are going to find that nearly every cop on the planet believes that way. The only ones who don't are the ones who have something to be scared of. If you do indeed brandish a firearm and scare someone, then yes you will go to jail. The problem with that is, you have to have proof. Witnesses who are credible who see you do it, or video. Video is always best for the police. Otherwise the police when they roll up, if they have no proof, they can't do anything to you. Now, if they suspect you of being under the influence of alcohol or drugs, then yes you are going to jail. If you are carrying you cannot, ABSOLUTELY Cannot avoid being tested. As far as the other bullshit where you have the gangster who wants to take your gun, if you are aware of your surroundings, you will know immediately who is and who is not looking to rob you. Thugs travel in packs. The lone nut who is going to try and take your gun, will stand out because you will literally feel their eyes on you. I think that this article makes way too much of things that can go wrong, when a novice is carrying. "Call Me Ishmael" -Ishmael, A character from the book "Moby Dick" 1851. "Call Me Fishmeal" -Osama Bin Laden, A character created by the CIA, and the world's Hide And Seek Champion 2001-2011. -Tommythemadartist
What? I thought you and Chief Acevedo were BFF's!! : )
#2. To: christine (#0)
#3. To: christine (#0)
#4. To: NeoconsNailed, christine, lod, artrisan (#1)
#5. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#4)
#6. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#4)
#7. To: NeoconsNailed, christine (#1)
#8. To: Artisan (#5)
The assemblyman who wrote the law introduced it days after returning from an Israel "legislative study trip", paid in full by some Ca Jew group. No shit.
#9. To: StraitGate (#7)
And there really are thousands or millions of people who would love see a gun owner gunned down -- or his life ruined by bogus felony charges -- and they would lie through their teeth to see that happen.
#10. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#8)
(Edited)
The assemblyman who wrote the law introduced it days after returning from an Israel "legislative study trip", paid in full by some Ca Jew group. No shit.
#11. To: christine (#0)
#12. To: christine (#9)
-Alex Kurtagic
#13. To: christine, 4 (#0)
I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would carry open. The list of negative consequences is a long one when compared to concealed.
#14. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#11)
Given the number of states where OC is currently not subject to LE persecution, I'd say you're right. Either there's wholesale censorship on the topic, or there's an astounding lack of stories regarding open carry incidents. I doesn't seem to be much of a problem or the generally anti-gun press would be all over it on a daily basis. It's good to know that OC is available, especially in times of disorder or civil disturbance when abiding by the customary concealment requirements might be burdensome or even dangerous. Nevertheless, under normal, everyday circumstances, I'd feel like more of a target with a hog leg strapped to my thigh than with a nine in my belt nestled under a vest or jacket. Plus I'd have to trash that nylon thing that doesn't scratch, is easy to clean and doesn't wear the bluing on a piece. You know for daily wear you're going to have to pay $150 for a decent holster and you're going to have to have both black and brown to match your shoes and accessories. This article is full of alarmist bullshit.
"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan
#15. To: randge (#14)
I made my own holster. It goes with everything I own.
"Call Me Ishmael" -Ishmael, A character from the book "Moby Dick" 1851. "Call Me Fishmeal" -Osama Bin Laden, A character created by the CIA, and the world's Hide And Seek Champion 2001-2011. -Tommythemadartist
#16. To: Jethro Tull (#13)
Oh? Like there aren't negative consequences for carrying concealed. Like for instance if you have to get through a jacket, or if you have to shift your body to remove a gun from a back holster. The element of surprise only works if you have the time to get to your gun. I understand that some people think that they will always have the element of surprise. Guess again. Before you can get to your gun, I can have a knife to your throat if you don't see me coming. The same with open carry only the difference is, you have less clothing or whatever in the way to get to it. Which ever you feel comfortable doing, that's your perogative, but if you think for one moment that one is superior to the other, it is not. If you are going to be attacked, it will likely be whether you have a gun or not. Cops are attacked every day, and they carry openly and concealed. Reading articles like this tells me that not enough is said on the topic that has a real basis in reality.
"Call Me Ishmael" -Ishmael, A character from the book "Moby Dick" 1851. "Call Me Fishmeal" -Osama Bin Laden, A character created by the CIA, and the world's Hide And Seek Champion 2001-2011. -Tommythemadartist
#17. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#15)
1. Do you hand-stitch? 2. What's your riveting method? 3. How do you finish edges? I made my own holster.
"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan
#18. To: christine (#9)
A few years ago while collecting tools and food for 2ASisters.org , I found a gorgeous little S&W .357MAG revolver for our friend Mari to upgrade from her .38 revolver. She doesn't leave home without it.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#19. To: X-15 (#12)
My buddy in Houston tells me Texas passed an open carry law. Do you?
U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
#20. To: randge, TommyTheMadArtist, x-15 (#14)
U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
#21. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#19)
No open carry for me, I don't like to 'advertise' I want it to be a surprise.
-Alex Kurtagic
#22. To: X-15 (#21)
==================================================== Always. I don't say a word. Not one. 'show and tell' No open carry for me, I don't like to 'advertise' I want it to be a surprise.
U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
#23. To: X-15 (#21)
================================================== Sorry X. My question more clearly state was has there been a major change to Texas' gun carry laws? No open carry for me, I don't like to 'advertise' I want it to be a surprise.
U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
#24. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#23)
You still need a license from the state to carry openly, total bullshit.
-Alex Kurtagic
#25. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#20)
Dang 410s are quite expensive. I'm thinking about getting some 410 brass and reloading it. You can use this brass over many, many times.
"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan
#26. To: randge (#25)
Huh! never heard of .410 brass. Same as .45LC brass?
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#27. To: Lod (#26)
You can make .410 shells out of 303 British, .444 Marlin, or 9.3 x 74R brass. if you like to fiddle. .45LC is too fat and short. 410 brass is available and lasts forever.
"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan
#28. To: randge, lod (#25)
I haven't seen the 410 brass, but don't have a reloader either. The PDX1 carries both magnum and scatter shot in the same load and is a good solution for the Judge (up to 7 yards). It also fires straight .45 cartridges can be alternated with the PDX1 also.
U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
#29. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM, randge, shooters, 4 (#28)
The Judge and the Senator are way cool, but way lame as a carry piece, imo.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#30. To: randge (#17)
Hand stitching is the only way to guarantee beautiful results. Riveting is a compression rivet, where the two halves are pressed together with either a press or a hammer. Finishing edges is also pretty simple. After you have put the edges on a belt sander to make them both even. Then apply this coating of Edge Dressing in order to both seal the edge, and make the two halves that are sewn bond better and make them look uniform.
"Call Me Ishmael" -Ishmael, A character from the book "Moby Dick" 1851. "Call Me Fishmeal" -Osama Bin Laden, A character created by the CIA, and the world's Hide And Seek Champion 2001-2011. -Tommythemadartist
#31. To: Lod (#29)
=========================================== Way too big for personal carry, good for home defense. The Judge and the Senator are way cool, but way lame as a carry piece, imo.
U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
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