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Title: Sorry CopBlockers, But Sometimes a Police Shooting Is Justified
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URL Source: http://libertyfight.com/2015/photos ... than_Frost_Deven_Guilford.html
Published: Jun 22, 2015
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Post Date: 2015-06-22 16:36:20 by Artisan
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Comments: 50
There is a right and wrong way to assert your rights during encounters with police. Deven Guilford chose the very wrong way, and ended up dead, shot seven times by a county sheriff. If you look at these photos of Sgt. Jonathan Frost after the Deven Guilford shooting, you can see the officer suffered a savage beating. Judge for yourself if you think lethal force was justified. I'm far from a police state apologist or cop bootlicker, but not every police shooting is unjustified. Regardless of how this altercation began, if you beat a man like that, cop or not, he has a right to defend himself. I agree with the prosecutors report which states "law enforcement officers have the same privilege of self defense as anyone else." The recent story of 17-year old Deven Guilford brings up the issue of police abuse once again. There seems to be a never-ending stream of cases where cops gun an unarmed person down. But the tendency for civil rights advocates seems to be to blindly condemn the cops every time, even before all the facts are in. This is not sensible, nor does it lend credibility to the cause of liberty or civil rights. The shooting of the 'unarmed 17-year old white youth' in Michigan appears by all evidence to be very well justified. Deven may have been trying to 'flex his rights.' but he did it in a very unwise and irrational way. His choice of actions are what led to his death. I'll preface this by conveying the facts, very clearly, that I am not a police bootlicker or police state apologist. With that said, look at this latest case, this is an absurd case of crying wolf, CopBlock.org's recent article 17 Year-Old Boy Dead After Traffic Stop in Mulliken, MI states, in part, "What I see here is a young boy trying to take a step and possibly flex his rights for the first time. Sure, he wasn't perfect at it, but he was learning and I give him an applaud for this. What a shame it had to end in a death of a young child. The officer could have avoided such a horrific situation like this if he just let this young boy flex his rights. Nobody, especially unarmed, deserves to die for the rights we have as Americans. Justice needs to be served." Applauded?? Justice needs to be served? Try not acting like a belligerent maniac who refuses to show a license during a traffic stop and don't attacks the cop, and you most likely won't get shot. The video of this tragic exchange on a dark roadside is below. Look at the pictures below, of 'innocent looking' Deven and Officer Frost, after the obviously savage beatdown he suffered at the hands of the 17-year-old "boy." 
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#7. To: Artisan (#0)
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Try not acting like a belligerent maniac who refuses to show a license during a traffic stop and don't attacks the cop, and you most likely won't get shot. The video of this tragic exchange on a dark roadside is below. X-rays showed the officer had no fractures -- just a cut on his nose and a bruised eye, which could have been self-inflicted, for all anyone really knows, because video showed no physical fight with the officer, despite his allegation of being assaulted/punched. It showed Guilford on the ground trying to film the officer who had refused to provide his own ID#. Guilford wasn't acting like a belligerent maniac but was told at gunpoint anyway to get out of the car and was made to lay down on the edge of the road near traffic. He told the officer that he wasn't armed but was shot with a stun gun, then shot to death 7 times: in the head, twice in the chest, in the stomach, armpit, forearm and wrist. Guilford had simply flashed his lights at the officer's vehicle out of concern for traffic safety because it seemed the headlight high-beams were on and the officer stated on camera that others had done the same. The officer had called for backup and wasn't being threatened at all, so he didn't have to open the door of the car and forcefully pull the teen from it before that help arrived or draw his weapon for his own safety -- all of which he did while obviously not having any cause to be in fear for his life. That this wasn't a racial issue is not enough grounds, imo, to presume the killing was justified.
Gee, if the kid had produced his STATE-ISSUED driver's license he would be alive. You don't own that license, the STATE owns it.
The officer's video that I posted at #7 is no longer available. Will try to find a replacement but the teen had stated at one point that he didn't have his license with him.
That's an arrestable offense, and the man was STUPID for driving without his STATE-ISSUED license if what you allege is true.
#19. To: X-15, Artisan, Jethro Tull (#17)
I may or may not have a license with me at all times, but I always told the officer when I was stopped "I don't have my license with me." It gave him the option to write me for that (no points) instead of speeding and it worked more often than not. There is something bad wrong with the idea that the cop in the pictures was under medical care and had all that dried blood all over his face.
It is true and he seemed somewhat scared that it would be an arrestable offense. I think he tried to say that he'd just given his brother a ride to church and had forgotten it before he left home but that he did have a valid one, then said something at a later point to the effect that he did have it with him after all. Am not sure now when exactly the officer opened the car door and pulled him out during the discussion, forcing him to the pavement at the edge of the road near traffic, but it was apparent that the officer could have reasonably waited for the help he had summoned to arrive because he wasn't being threatened by the teen.
Driving unlicensed is a moving violation. Driving with out carrying your license is nothing. A non crime. You cant be arrested for it if you provide your info so as to allow the state sanction standing army to verify that all of your papers are in order..... I still dont understand how a vetran cop who has been trained to physically handle himself could not over power a child without killing him.... This is all the cops now. It's like the only people they use.their self defense training on his their wives.and children, everyone else gets a.tazer and a bullet because "Cops lives matter more" and our lives are worth less than nothing to them.
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestIf you look at these photos of Sgt. Jonathan Frost after the Deven Guilford shooting, you can see the officer suffered a savage beating.
#11. To: GreyLmist (#7)
#16. To: X-15 (#11)
Gee, if the kid had produced his STATE-ISSUED driver's license he would be alive. You don't own that license, the STATE owns it.
#17. To: GreyLmist (#16)
Replies to Comment # 17. That's an arrestable offense, and the man was STUPID for driving without his STATE-ISSUED license if what you allege is true.
#20. To: X-15 (#17)
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That's an arrestable offense, and the man was STUPID for driving without his STATE-ISSUED license if what you allege is true.
#21. To: X-15 (#17)
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