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Title: Sorry CopBlockers, But Sometimes a Police Shooting Is Justified
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URL Source: http://libertyfight.com/2015/photos ... than_Frost_Deven_Guilford.html
Published: Jun 22, 2015
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Post Date: 2015-06-22 16:36:20 by Artisan
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There is a right and wrong way to assert your rights during encounters with police. Deven Guilford chose the very wrong way, and ended up dead, shot seven times by a county sheriff. If you look at these photos of Sgt. Jonathan Frost after the Deven Guilford shooting, you can see the officer suffered a savage beating. Judge for yourself if you think lethal force was justified. I'm far from a police state apologist or cop bootlicker, but not every police shooting is unjustified. Regardless of how this altercation began, if you beat a man like that, cop or not, he has a right to defend himself. I agree with the prosecutors report which states "law enforcement officers have the same privilege of self defense as anyone else." The recent story of 17-year old Deven Guilford brings up the issue of police abuse once again. There seems to be a never-ending stream of cases where cops gun an unarmed person down. But the tendency for civil rights advocates seems to be to blindly condemn the cops every time, even before all the facts are in. This is not sensible, nor does it lend credibility to the cause of liberty or civil rights. The shooting of the 'unarmed 17-year old white youth' in Michigan appears by all evidence to be very well justified. Deven may have been trying to 'flex his rights.' but he did it in a very unwise and irrational way. His choice of actions are what led to his death. I'll preface this by conveying the facts, very clearly, that I am not a police bootlicker or police state apologist. With that said, look at this latest case, this is an absurd case of crying wolf, CopBlock.org's recent article 17 Year-Old Boy Dead After Traffic Stop in Mulliken, MI states, in part, "What I see here is a young boy trying to take a step and possibly flex his rights for the first time. Sure, he wasn't perfect at it, but he was learning and I give him an applaud for this. What a shame it had to end in a death of a young child. The officer could have avoided such a horrific situation like this if he just let this young boy flex his rights. Nobody, especially unarmed, deserves to die for the rights we have as Americans. Justice needs to be served." Applauded?? Justice needs to be served? Try not acting like a belligerent maniac who refuses to show a license during a traffic stop and don't attacks the cop, and you most likely won't get shot. The video of this tragic exchange on a dark roadside is below. Look at the pictures below, of 'innocent looking' Deven and Officer Frost, after the obviously savage beatdown he suffered at the hands of the 17-year-old "boy." 
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#30. To: Artisan (#0)
Ok ok drivers stuff aside. We are still talking about a tactically trained professonal authority armed with a baton, a tazer and a gun right? Vrs seventeen nothing punk kid with no training or weapons. Right? Why did the tazer in the neck fail? Why not just do a jonit lock into submission? You only shoot to kill but thats a last resort...could the grown man really not take.that boy?
We do not live in a perfect world. Until we do, it is best not to start shit with a cop. Leave that to your lawyer. The system is rigged, I get it, but an unfair ticket is better that an ass beating any day, in my book.
Of course of course.and i get.that and i get the need for.authorities to.bring the.tardy and criminal in..... But im.just saying.... training, age, weapons, vrs inexperience,.youth, and no weapons..... I dont understand why the cop.couldnt take him with out killing him... but then again most cops are lazy lver.weight incompetents.these days , unable to.tell.the.differnece.between a bannana and a gun....
You can beat the rap but you can't beat the ride. You have to pick and choose your battles in life, roadside with a cop is about the worst place to resist/fight.
Good advice. However, if the officer had ordered him to wait in the back of the squad car until the backup help arrived because he was going to be transported to the police station, he probably would have done that, since there was a weapon being pointed at him when he complied with the order to get on the ground near traffic, at risk of his life or bodily harm. The weather alone last winter in that area could have caused bodily harm in a very short time. Sometimes there are almost warmish days in February around the Great Lakes region but doubtful that was the case in Michigan last February -- coldest winter in at least a century, maybe ever on record. On one day, the temp rose 34 degrees and still only got to 17 degrees. One year, I had to try and shovel the driveway in a hurry but could only find one glove. Made the mistake of not putting a sock on my other hand as a mitten and my fingertips have never fully recovered from being frostbit. Oddly enough, the officer's last name in this issue is Frost, so I think it's all the more topical to point out the weather endangerment issue as an indication that the officer wasn't acting rationally, regardless of Guilford's delayed compliance. Edit to add that the officer's first name being Jonathan, Jack might be his nickname...Jack Frost.
That possible scenario ended when Deven exited the car after violently kicking the door open.
Cops don't let you get away with escalating the situation when they have you pulled over, They Are Going To Show You Who Is Boss, right up to the moment that they shoot you. You can take that to the bank. That doesn't mean it's right, that's just how it is. Dad told my brother and I that some cops carry throw-downs and what they're for. He only had to tell us once.
Cops don't let you get away with escalating the situation when they have you pulled over, They Are Going To Show You Who Is Boss, right up to the moment that they shoot you. You can take that to the bank. That doesn't mean it's right, that's just how it is. Dad told my brother and I that some cops carry throw- downs and what they're for. He only had to tell us once. Understood but, Dakmar, did you watch the officer's video at #29? Deven didn't violently kick the door open before exiting or kick it all. You can verify that at 4:30, where you can also hear a gun-clicking sound before it's pointed at him while he's still in the car. If he had kicked the door at any time, he might have been shot or tased immediately. Had there been no refuting camera footage, the officer might have falsely but successfully claimed that Deven was violent and kicked the door, even though it didn't happen, because Deven wouldn't be able to defensively object. But, afaik, he hasn't made any allegation of that. Can we at least agree that the officer had no problem opening Deven's car door so it should have been a simple matter for him to open the back door of the squad car, then order Devin to get in and wait for the officer's backup? -- or, even easier, he could have told Deven to open the door himself and get into the squad car.
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#31. To: titorite, GreyLmist (#30)
#32. To: Dakmar (#31)
#33. To: titorite (#32)
#39. To: X-15 (#33)
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You can beat the rap but you can't beat the ride. You have to pick and choose your battles in life, roadside with a cop is about the worst place to resist/fight.
#40. To: GreyLmist (#39)
However, if the officer had ordered him to wait in the back of the squad car until the backup help arrived
#46. To: Dakmar, GreyLmist (#40)
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That possible scenario ended when Deven exited the car after violently kicking the door open.
#48. To: X-15, Dakmar (#46)
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That possible scenario ended when Deven exited the car after violently kicking the door open.
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