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Title: Sorry CopBlockers, But Sometimes a Police Shooting Is Justified
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URL Source: http://libertyfight.com/2015/photos ... than_Frost_Deven_Guilford.html
Published: Jun 22, 2015
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Post Date: 2015-06-22 16:36:20 by Artisan
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Comments: 50
There is a right and wrong way to assert your rights during encounters with police. Deven Guilford chose the very wrong way, and ended up dead, shot seven times by a county sheriff. If you look at these photos of Sgt. Jonathan Frost after the Deven Guilford shooting, you can see the officer suffered a savage beating. Judge for yourself if you think lethal force was justified. I'm far from a police state apologist or cop bootlicker, but not every police shooting is unjustified. Regardless of how this altercation began, if you beat a man like that, cop or not, he has a right to defend himself. I agree with the prosecutors report which states "law enforcement officers have the same privilege of self defense as anyone else." The recent story of 17-year old Deven Guilford brings up the issue of police abuse once again. There seems to be a never-ending stream of cases where cops gun an unarmed person down. But the tendency for civil rights advocates seems to be to blindly condemn the cops every time, even before all the facts are in. This is not sensible, nor does it lend credibility to the cause of liberty or civil rights. The shooting of the 'unarmed 17-year old white youth' in Michigan appears by all evidence to be very well justified. Deven may have been trying to 'flex his rights.' but he did it in a very unwise and irrational way. His choice of actions are what led to his death. I'll preface this by conveying the facts, very clearly, that I am not a police bootlicker or police state apologist. With that said, look at this latest case, this is an absurd case of crying wolf, CopBlock.org's recent article 17 Year-Old Boy Dead After Traffic Stop in Mulliken, MI states, in part, "What I see here is a young boy trying to take a step and possibly flex his rights for the first time. Sure, he wasn't perfect at it, but he was learning and I give him an applaud for this. What a shame it had to end in a death of a young child. The officer could have avoided such a horrific situation like this if he just let this young boy flex his rights. Nobody, especially unarmed, deserves to die for the rights we have as Americans. Justice needs to be served." Applauded?? Justice needs to be served? Try not acting like a belligerent maniac who refuses to show a license during a traffic stop and don't attacks the cop, and you most likely won't get shot. The video of this tragic exchange on a dark roadside is below. Look at the pictures below, of 'innocent looking' Deven and Officer Frost, after the obviously savage beatdown he suffered at the hands of the 17-year-old "boy." 
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#30. To: Artisan (#0)
Ok ok drivers stuff aside. We are still talking about a tactically trained professonal authority armed with a baton, a tazer and a gun right? Vrs seventeen nothing punk kid with no training or weapons. Right? Why did the tazer in the neck fail? Why not just do a jonit lock into submission? You only shoot to kill but thats a last resort...could the grown man really not take.that boy?
We do not live in a perfect world. Until we do, it is best not to start shit with a cop. Leave that to your lawyer. The system is rigged, I get it, but an unfair ticket is better that an ass beating any day, in my book.
Good advice, although it should also be considered that it might be just a minor traffic ticket to an issuing officer and a way for the local gov to collect money but, in some cases, a simple traffic ticket can mean the end of a job in these times for some people -- maybe a very long suspension or even doors closed permanently to employment in certain fields. For instance, a truckdriver in this area who got a left of center ticket while driving their own car and not on duty lost their job because the ticket was uncontestable: the officer's word against theirs -- a "small fine" for the ticket, in addition to the many thousands of dollars in lost income for a year of mandatory employment suspension from that job and others like it. In the North, an unfair ticket for simply turning on a car's engine at all to get some heat in the winter but not driving -- still in the park gear and stationary while waiting for assistance or a taxi -- can amount to something of a DUI citation if they've been drinking alcohol. Fear of such an unfair ticket and maybe unemployment for trying to stay warm could result in being frozen to death or nearly so. That's especially problematic for truckdrivers who sleep in their vehicles when off duty and might want to drink a couple of beers after work like other people can do without such risks.
There are two issues here. The first is idling, most states, and even most shippers and truck stops have signs warning truckers that idling over 5 minutes is illegal. Of course this is insane given the fact that there are also at the same time federal laws governing sleeper berths, that a climate control system must be operational for the health and safety of the driver. So the truck must have the system, but jail the driver if he dares to refuse to freeze or roast to death. I dare any pig to give me a ticket while idling when its 80, 90, or 100 degrees, or if its 30 or 40 or 15. Id take it to the top appeals court. The other issue you gave though is silly. Truckers cannot drink between shifts like other professions, they're not even allowed to go in bars. On their hometime is another matter. As long as they haven't been drinking a certain number of hours (I think 24??) Prior to going back on duty.
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#31. To: titorite, GreyLmist (#30)
#44. To: Dakmar (#31)
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We do not live in a perfect world. Until we do, it is best not to start shit with a cop. Leave that to your lawyer. The system is rigged, I get it, but an unfair ticket is better that an ass beating any day, in my book.
#50. To: GreyLmist, lod (#44)
Fear of such an unfair ticket and maybe unemployment for trying to stay warm could result in being frozen to death or nearly so. That's especially problematic for truckdrivers who sleep in their vehicles when off duty and might want to drink a couple of beers after work like other people can do without such risks.
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