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Title: Sorry CopBlockers, But Sometimes a Police Shooting Is Justified
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URL Source: http://libertyfight.com/2015/photos ... than_Frost_Deven_Guilford.html
Published: Jun 22, 2015
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Post Date: 2015-06-22 16:36:20 by Artisan
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There is a right and wrong way to assert your rights during encounters with police. Deven Guilford chose the very wrong way, and ended up dead, shot seven times by a county sheriff. If you look at these photos of Sgt. Jonathan Frost after the Deven Guilford shooting, you can see the officer suffered a savage beating. Judge for yourself if you think lethal force was justified. I'm far from a police state apologist or cop bootlicker, but not every police shooting is unjustified. Regardless of how this altercation began, if you beat a man like that, cop or not, he has a right to defend himself. I agree with the prosecutors report which states "law enforcement officers have the same privilege of self defense as anyone else." The recent story of 17-year old Deven Guilford brings up the issue of police abuse once again. There seems to be a never-ending stream of cases where cops gun an unarmed person down. But the tendency for civil rights advocates seems to be to blindly condemn the cops every time, even before all the facts are in. This is not sensible, nor does it lend credibility to the cause of liberty or civil rights. The shooting of the 'unarmed 17-year old white youth' in Michigan appears by all evidence to be very well justified. Deven may have been trying to 'flex his rights.' but he did it in a very unwise and irrational way. His choice of actions are what led to his death. I'll preface this by conveying the facts, very clearly, that I am not a police bootlicker or police state apologist. With that said, look at this latest case, this is an absurd case of crying wolf, CopBlock.org's recent article 17 Year-Old Boy Dead After Traffic Stop in Mulliken, MI states, in part, "What I see here is a young boy trying to take a step and possibly flex his rights for the first time. Sure, he wasn't perfect at it, but he was learning and I give him an applaud for this. What a shame it had to end in a death of a young child. The officer could have avoided such a horrific situation like this if he just let this young boy flex his rights. Nobody, especially unarmed, deserves to die for the rights we have as Americans. Justice needs to be served." Applauded?? Justice needs to be served? Try not acting like a belligerent maniac who refuses to show a license during a traffic stop and don't attacks the cop, and you most likely won't get shot. The video of this tragic exchange on a dark roadside is below. Look at the pictures below, of 'innocent looking' Deven and Officer Frost, after the obviously savage beatdown he suffered at the hands of the 17-year-old "boy." 
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#7. To: Artisan (#0)
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Try not acting like a belligerent maniac who refuses to show a license during a traffic stop and don't attacks the cop, and you most likely won't get shot. The video of this tragic exchange on a dark roadside is below. X-rays showed the officer had no fractures -- just a cut on his nose and a bruised eye, which could have been self-inflicted, for all anyone really knows, because video showed no physical fight with the officer, despite his allegation of being assaulted/punched. It showed Guilford on the ground trying to film the officer who had refused to provide his own ID#. Guilford wasn't acting like a belligerent maniac but was told at gunpoint anyway to get out of the car and was made to lay down on the edge of the road near traffic. He told the officer that he wasn't armed but was shot with a stun gun, then shot to death 7 times: in the head, twice in the chest, in the stomach, armpit, forearm and wrist. Guilford had simply flashed his lights at the officer's vehicle out of concern for traffic safety because it seemed the headlight high-beams were on and the officer stated on camera that others had done the same. The officer had called for backup and wasn't being threatened at all, so he didn't have to open the door of the car and forcefully pull the teen from it before that help arrived or draw his weapon for his own safety -- all of which he did while obviously not having any cause to be in fear for his life. That this wasn't a racial issue is not enough grounds, imo, to presume the killing was justified.
I read the entire report & watched the vid & stand by my defense of the cop. I understand it was a chicjen shit reason to stop him, but guess what? When you get stopped while driving & a cop demands id, you must give it to him. Struggling, refusing & then attacking a cop is flat out insane, and this pothead maniac, a graduate of youtube university, caused his own death. I pity those who hail him as some reasonable martyr, because if they really believe that, their future looks bleak.
#10. To: jeethro tull (#9)
I think I've actually joined your side, these rabid cop haters are really too much. I feel like I did in the early 2000s when id go to a protest & commiserate with leftists who knew 9/11 was a hoax & that the bushs were all war criminals.
Agree, but IMO the problem here is that people are trying to enforce the Constitutional rights that cops otherwise have taken from them de facto. It's a natural thing for "the pendulum" to swing the other way in societal matters, and while he may have been wrong, that doesn't alter the general trend amongst LE to use excessive (highly understated) as a rule throughout the nation. This also doesn't include the highway robbery of their thefts of peoples' money and possessions on the interstates, falsely planting and contriving evidence against otherwise innocent arrestees, etc. I think we need to parse this discussion a little bit. Bottom line is that at some point there's simply going to be a blow back like this unless the general trend of the establishment LE changes. We always talk about when people are going to say that "enough is enough," these are symptoms and signs of that. Yet, when it happens we all chastise those that draw those lines. Again, not saying that this kid was right, he wasn't, but the cops in general, are far more wrong far more consistently.
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestIf you look at these photos of Sgt. Jonathan Frost after the Deven Guilford shooting, you can see the officer suffered a savage beating.
#9. To: GreyLmist, neoconsnailed, christine, lod, titorite, jethro tull, katniss, x-15, purplerose (#7)
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#15. To: Artisan, All (#9)
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When you get stopped while driving & a cop demands id, you must give it to him. Struggling, refusing & then attacking a cop is flat out insane, and this pothead maniac, a graduate of youtube university, caused his own death. I pity those who hail him as some reasonable martyr, because if they really believe that, their future looks bleak.
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