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Title: GREECE VOTES NO – LET THE CHAOS BEGIN…
Source: ECONOMIC COLLAPSE
URL Source: http://www.infowars.com/greece-votes-no-let-the-chaos-begin/
Published: Jul 6, 2015
Author: MICHAEL SNYDER
Post Date: 2015-07-06 07:23:49 by Ada
Keywords: None
Views: 155
Comments: 11

The result of the referendum in Greece is a great victory for freedom, but it is also threatens to unleash unprecedented economic chaos all across Europe.

With almost all of the votes counted, it is being reported that approximately 61 percent of Greeks have voted “no” and only about 39 percent of Greeks have voted “yes”. This is a much larger margin of victory for the “no” side than almost everyone was anticipating, and it represents a stunning rejection of European austerity. Massive celebrations have erupted on the streets of Athens and other major Greek cities, but the euphoria may not last long. Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras is promising that Greece will be able to stay in the euro, but that gives EU bureaucrats and the IMF a tremendous amount of power, because at this point the Greek government is flat broke. Without more money from the EU and the IMF, the Greek government will not be able to pay its bills and virtually all Greek banks will inevitably collapse. Meanwhile, the rest of Europe is about to experience a tremendous amount of pain as financial markets respond to the results of this referendum. The euro is already plummeting, and most analysts expect European bond yields to soar and European stocks to drop substantially when trading opens on Monday morning.

Personally, I love the fact that the Greek people decided not to buckle under the pressure being imposed on them by the EU and the IMF. But amidst all of the celebration, the cold, hard reality of the matter is that your options are extremely limited when you are out of money.

How is the Greek government going to pay its bills without any money?

How are the insolvent Greek banks going to operate without any money?

How is the Greek economy going to function without any money?

Now that the Greek people have overwhelmingly rejected the demands of the creditors, it will be very interesting to see what the EU and the IMF do. Prior to the referendum, European leaders were insisting that a “no” vote would put an end to negotiations and would force Greece to leave the euro.

Now that the results are in, are they going to change their tune? Because the ball is definitely in their court…

“This does two things: it legitimises the stance of the Greek government and it leaves the ball in Europe’s court,” ANZ Bank analysts said in a note.

“Europe either folds or Greece goes bankrupt; over to you Merkel.” So would they actually let Greece go bankrupt?

It is going to be fascinating to watch what happens over the next few days. Right now, Greek banks are on life support. If the European Central Bank decides to pull the plug, they would essentially destroy the entire Greek banking system. The only thing that can keep Greek banks alive and kicking is more intervention from the ECB. The following comes from the New York Times…

Now that Greek voters have said no to the economic demands of its international creditors, the fate of the country’s struggling banks is in the hands of the European Central Bank.

Greece’s banks, closed since last Monday because they are perilously low on cash, have been kept alive in recent weeks by emergency loans from the European Central Bank. On Monday, the central bank’s policy makers plan to convene to determine how much longer they are willing to prop up the Greek banks, now that the country has essentially said no to the unpopular dictates of the other eurozone countries. Of much greater concern to the rest of the world is how financial markets are going to respond to all of this. As I write this article, things already appear to be unraveling. The following comes from CNBC…

Germany’s Dax is indicated sharply lower from Friday’s close at around 4 percent, while the euro was down 2 percent against the yen as the news emerged. U.S. stocks are expected to open around 1 percent lower Monday, according to recent stock futures data.

What could be most important for those worried about contagion from the Greek crisis is how Portuguese, Spanish and Italian government bonds perform in Monday morning trade.

If these peripheral euro zone countries, often lumped in with Greece, suffer a sharp spike in yields, this could cause alarm about whether Greece leaving the currency might cause further contagion to other weaker euro zone economies. This could potentially become a “trigger event” that unleashes a wave of financial panic all over Europe. And once financial panic begins, it is very difficult to end.

If the EU and the IMF want to avoid a crisis, they could just give in to the new Greek government. But that would be politically risky for certain high profile European leaders. For instance, Angela Merkel would face a huge backlash back home if she conceded to the new Greek government now. And other German leaders are already calling the referendum result a “disaster”…

German politicians branded the result a ‘disaster’, with the country’s economy minister Sigmar Gabriel Sigmar accusing Tsipras of ‘tearing down the last bridges on which Greece and Europe could have moved towards a compromise’.

He added: ‘Tsipras and his government are leading the Greek people on a path of bitter abandonment and hopelessness.’ And the president of the European Parliament, a German, told a German radio station over the weekend that a “no” vote would almost certainly mean that the Greeks will be forced out of the euro…

“If after the referendum, the majority is a ‘no,’ they will have to introduce another currency because the euro will no longer be available for a means of payment,” Martin Schulz, European Parliament president, said on German radio. That is pretty strong language, eh?

Here is yet another quote from Schulz…

“Without new money, salaries won’t be paid, the health system will stop functioning, the power network and public transport will break down, and they won’t be able to import vital goods because nobody can pay,” he said. So at this point it is all up to the EU and the IMF, and in particular the focus will be on the Germans.

What will they decide to do?

Will they give in, or will they force the Greeks to leave the euro?

If the Greeks do transition from the euro to a new currency, it will be a process that takes months (if not longer). You just can’t change ATMs, computer systems, cash registers, etc. overnight. So a move to the drachma would not be as simple as many are suggesting…

British firms like De La Rue, which prints 150 currencies worldwide, are believed to have been contacted with a view to providing such services.

It’s done in great secrecy to prevent currency speculation. The other big problem is the logistical challenges of switching a currency. All ATMs, computers and other machinery of commerce that bears the euro symbol will have to be adjusted. It could, and would, take months. And if Greece does leave, it will be a massive shock for global financial markets. Faith in the European project will be shattered, the euro will drop like a rock, bond yields all over the continent will rise to unsustainable levels and major banks all over Europe will fail.

I think that the following quote from Romano Prodi sums things up quite well…

Romano Prodi, former chief of the European Commission and Italy’s ex-premier, said it is the EU’s own survival that is now at stake as the botched handling of the Greek crisis escalates into a catastrophe. “If the EU cannot resolve a small problem the size of Greece, what is the point of Europe?“ Meanwhile, we should all keep in mind that a financial crisis has already erupted over in Asia as well. Chinese stocks have lost 30 percent of their value in just the last three weeks. In fact, the amount of “paper wealth” wiped out in China over the past three weeks is approximately equivalent to “10 times Greece’s gross domestic product”…

A dizzying three-week plunge in Chinese equities has wiped out $2.36 trillion in market value — equivalent to about 10 times Greece’s gross domestic product last year. The great financial collapse of 2015 is well underway, and it should be a very interesting week for global markets.

But no matter what happens this week, we all need to keep in mind that this is just the tip of the iceberg.

A “perfect storm” is on the way, and we all need to get prepared for it while we still can.

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#1. To: Ada (#0)

But amidst all of the celebration, the cold, hard reality of the matter is that your options are extremely limited when you are out of money.

How is the Greek government going to pay its bills without any money?

How are the insolvent Greek banks going to operate without any money?

How is the Greek economy going to function without any money?

These are exactly the questions the Greek celebrants failed to ask, or didn't understand. Today, the Greek government will seek a new loan in Brussels, with what they claim is additional leverage. The EU will kick the talks into low gear and watch the shortages pinch the populace. Unless the Russians or Chinese decide to buy Greece on a fire sale - a real possibility - the socialistic Greek government will walk away with the same deal they rejected.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-07-06   7:53:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Ada (#0)

Just a thought about these international bankruptcies ... how is it possible that the entire world is bankrupt when all wealth is extracted from the earth ? The banker's have seduced the planet with their fiat/credit ponzi scheme.

"Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day".

Doug Scheidt

noone222  posted on  2015-07-06   8:07:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: noone222 (#2)

Ya know Doug, that's my question as well. The propaganda machine has worked perfectly.

I'm not hearing/reading one single damn commentary anywhere, not that I'm turning up stones looking, talking about how when a financial "system" becomes so damned (literally damned) big that it becomes "too big to fail" without screwing the world over, that maybe, just maybe, something's wrong.

I've gotta run, but I've got more analysis on this piece later when I return.

But you hit the nail right on the head. All anyone's concerned about are the markets and financial indicators instead of what's truly healthy for a free people globally.

Idiots, the world's full of 'em, that and gullible fools that deserve to live in economic slavery/serfdom.

Katniss  posted on  2015-07-06   8:43:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: All (#3)

In Defense of Marxism

So much for the myth of the casual Greek worker. The Marxists reject that silly noting flat out.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-07-06   8:56:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: noone222 (#2)

The banker's have seduced the planet with their fiat/credit ponzi scheme.

Debt is the sound basis to build an economy with infinite growth that will never end.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2015-07-06   11:02:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: abraxas (#5)

Debt is the sound basis to build an economy with infinite growth that will never end.

Ha hahaha ... stated like a true banker !

"Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day".

Doug Scheidt

noone222  posted on  2015-07-06   11:14:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: abraxas (#5)

Debt is the sound basis to build an economy with infinite growth that will never end.

Just curious how it ever ends.

What, they pawn all their debt off as "public debt" because "that's what the people voted for," LOL, and then start over.

It's entirely rhetorical I realize, just askin' for asking's sake.

Katniss  posted on  2015-07-06   14:24:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Katniss (#7)

What, they pawn all their debt off as "public debt" because "that's what the people voted for," LOL, and then start over.

Of course, then the people are left holding an empty bag instead of pensions. In this way, the dastardly 100 trillion in unfunded "entitlements" (and that is just the US) will go the way of the dodo bird and the politicians who ripped it off and gambled it away can blame those people who refuse to take austerity packages.

Yes, then they begin again with a one world currency because the real trouble was this variety in currency, not that the lot of them were fiat and dependent upon debt to carry on.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2015-07-06   19:23:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: abraxas (#8)

The currency is at the heart of it, but keep in mind, they wouldn't be able to pull it off unless a whole lot of people were complicit via their greed and desire for "easy-street."

There are a whole lot of people that got rich via the government which overpays almost across the board many times exorbitantly so. That's how they get the people hooked, at least some of 'em.

The "suckers," as it were, are those of us that work hard, truly and not just on paper, outside that system truly earning the money we make.

Katniss  posted on  2015-07-06   21:00:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: noone222, All (#0) (Edited)

With almost all of the votes counted, it is being reported that approximately 61 percent of Greeks have voted “no” and only about 39 percent of Greeks have voted “yes”. This is a much larger margin of victory for the “no” side than almost everyone was anticipating, and it represents a stunning rejection of European austerity. Massive celebrations have erupted on the streets of Athens and other major Greek cities, but the euphoria may not last long.

It's not going to last long either way, not simply because Tsipras is promising to stay in the EU. Either way there will be cuts. Unless people recognize that the government(s) simply cannot overpay people, either via direct compensation or pensions, they will screw themselves either way. Problem is that I don't hear anything about reducing the size of government, only "austerity" measures for the people at large.

Sounds like same-old same-old to me.

How is the Greek government going to pay its bills without any money?

How are the insolvent Greek banks going to operate without any money?

How is the Greek economy going to function without any money?

How about reducing the size of what is very likely an unnecessarily large government. Nah! Won't happen. Hence, no long-term solution.

Insofar as the banks go, screw 'em is the right answer there. They should exist to serve the people, not be a big business in their own right beyond the banking basics.

How about printing their own money and coming up with bartering system or other short-term system or combination of both in the interim. In fact, here's a novel idea, let's let the people figure it out and create a real economy. Screw Greece's international debtors.

It is going to be fascinating to watch what happens over the next few days. Right now, Greek banks are on life support. If the European Central Bank decides to pull the plug, they would essentially destroy the entire Greek banking system. The only thing that can keep Greek banks alive and kicking is more intervention from the ECB. The following comes from the New York Times…

Now that Greek voters have said no to the economic demands of its international creditors, the fate of the country’s struggling banks is in the hands of the European Central Bank.

I don't buy this! Why can't Greece tell its international creditors to go pound sand and restore their own currency without the Zio banking system. This is the same shit that "Judea" has pulled time and time again, probably most notably against Germany in the 30's. Continue to play ball, which is what the wealthy politicians want to do because they ultimately get paid (off) by the ECB/IMF, again, same as the Fed.

If the banks "go under," then new ones will arise once the needs do. Should anyone feel sorry for an entity? Why?

Germany’s Dax is indicated sharply lower from Friday’s close at around 4 percent, while the euro was down 2 percent against the yen as the news emerged. U.S. stocks are expected to open around 1 percent lower Monday, according to recent stock futures data.

What could be most important for those worried about contagion from the Greek crisis is how Portuguese, Spanish and Italian government bonds perform in Monday morning trade.

Who cares?! Those are merely symptoms of a corrupt system whereby primarily the swine benefit. Despite common and pervasive propaganda, the financial markets are not indicators of the true health of economies.

If these peripheral euro zone countries, often lumped in with Greece, suffer a sharp spike in yields, this could cause alarm about whether Greece leaving the currency might cause further contagion to other weaker euro zone economies. This could potentially become a “trigger event” that unleashes a wave of financial panic all over Europe. And once financial panic begins, it is very difficult to end.

There's either going to be financial panic or the like or a continuation of the current financial hell that evelops the world. Any "fixes" involving the current system can only be short-term ones.

The choice is that of the Greek people and those that run their government. If those that run the government stick with the establishment and the people don't riot and overthrow them, then it won't say much for the will of the people, which is a modern day joke.

And other German leaders are already calling the referendum result a “disaster”…

German politicians branded the result a ‘disaster’, with the country’s economy minister Sigmar Gabriel Sigmar accusing Tsipras of ‘tearing down the last bridges on which Greece and Europe could have moved towards a compromise’.

Of course it is, for them, because, ironically, Germany is being run by the same central bankers. Anything outside of their will will be billed as a disaster or catastrophe.

He added: ‘Tsipras and his government are leading the Greek people on a path of bitter abandonment and hopelessness.’ And the president of the European Parliament, a German, told a German radio station over the weekend that a “no” vote would almost certainly mean that the Greeks will be forced out of the euro…

Abandonment? By whom? The central banking syndicate and cartel? We could only be so lucky to be abandoned by them in this country. Forced out of the Euro? Oh boo f'ing hoo!

I'm sure that just as they destroyed Germany and Russia they'll also destroy Greece too though if they so choose, just to attempt to show that leaving their clutches is "costly." More an indictment of our time than anything else.

If the Greeks do transition from the euro to a new currency, it will be a process that takes months (if not longer). You just can’t change ATMs, computer systems, cash registers, etc. overnight. So a move to the drachma would not be as simple as many are suggesting…

British firms like De La Rue, which prints 150 currencies worldwide, are believed to have been contacted with a view to providing such services.

It’s done in great secrecy to prevent currency speculation. The other big problem is the logistical challenges of switching a currency. All ATMs, computers and other machinery of commerce that bears the euro symbol will have to be adjusted. It could, and would, take months.

LMAO

I'm also sure that it shouldn't take months. Any good programmer could change things within a few weeks, and please, changing signs and shit, people routinely have signs made in a couple of days.

And if Greece does leave, it will be a massive shock for global financial markets. Faith in the European project will be shattered, the euro will drop like a rock, bond yields all over the continent will rise to unsustainable levels and major banks all over Europe will fail.

Again, boo f'ing hoo that the major banks and bond yields might fail and many peoples' gods are shattered.

And please, Greece should give a shit?

But no matter what happens this week, we all need to keep in mind that this is just the tip of the iceberg.

A “perfect storm” is on the way, and we all need to get prepared for it while we still can.

What we are now seeing is the result of the central banking system being "too big to fail." It's so infested the world, like terminal cancer, that the only options are chemotherapy and how much time it has to live.

It's become one gigundous poison-pill, and since no one said anything but accepted the fruits off of its tree for decades, well, the fiddler is now standing outside the front door with the invoice marked "past due."

The only long-term way out is for the people, en masse, and not just in Greece, to terminate the central banking system. But the problem is that they are all so chock full of propaganda that they are clueless as to that. They may understand smaller aspects of it, but so few have the big picture, a far too irrelevant few. Even all of these articles continue to mentions solutions rooted in the interests of the core problems, clearly without realizing it.

Also, people simply are not willing to make the short-term sacrifices, they all want their goodies and they want them now.

Katniss  posted on  2015-07-06   22:45:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Katniss (#10)

Good stuff! ;>)

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2015-07-07   0:39:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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