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Title: How the South Skews America
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URL Source: http://www.politico.com/magazine/st ... erica-119725.html#.VZyklflkk-8
Published: Jul 3, 2015
Author: MICHAEL LIND
Post Date: 2015-07-08 00:26:19 by Dakmar
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Every year the Fourth of July is marked by ringing affirmations of American exceptionalism. We are a special nation, uniquely founded on high ideals like freedom and equality. In practice, however, much of what sets the United States apart from other countries today is actually Southern exceptionalism. The United States would be much less exceptional in general, and in particular more like other English-speaking democracies such as Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand were it not for the effects on U.S. politics and culture of the American South. I don’t mean this in a good way. A lot of the traits that make the United States exceptional these days are undesirable, like higher violence and less social mobility. Many of these differences can be attributed largely to the South. All English-speaking democracies share certain characteristics in common. Compared to continental European and East Asian democracies, the Anglophone nations tend to be more market-oriented and less statist, with somewhat lower levels of social spending and weaker bureaucracies. We might even speak of “Anglosphere exceptionalism.” But even by the standards of the English-speaking world, the U.S. appears as an extreme outlier, in areas ranging from religiosity to violence to anti-government attitudes. As we learned after the slaughter last month in Charleston, S.C., some deluded Southerners still pine for secession from the Union. Yet no doubt there are also more than a few liberal Northerners who would be happy to see them go. Minus the South, the rest of the U.S. probably would be more like Canada or Australia or Britain or New Zealand—more secular, more socially liberal, more moderate in the tone of its politics and somewhat more generous in social policy. And it would not be as centralized as France or as social democratic as Sweden. As a fifth-generation Texan, and a descendant of Southerners back to the 1600s, I don’t want to encourage lurid stereotypes of a monolithic South. The states of the former Confederacy include ethnic minorities like Louisiana Cajuns and Texas Germans, along with African Americans. And the dominant conservatives in the South have always been challenged from within the ranks of the white community by populists, liberals and radicals. But the South really is different from the rest of the country. Here are some examples of how the South skews American statistics. Today there is more inter-generational social mobility in Europe than in the United States, contrary to the American myth that the United States is still the world’s No. 1 land of opportunity. The Economic Mobility Project of Pew Charitable Trusts has shown that children are far less likely to rise above the socio-economic levels of their parents in the U.S. than are those in Britain, Canada and Australia, as well as Germany, France and the Nordic nations. The American South, with the lowest rates of intergenerational social mobility in the U.S., clearly skews the national statistics, creating an embarrassing and depressing version of American exceptionalism. Economic inequality? Apart from California and New York, where statistics reflect the wealth of Wall Street, Hollywood and Silicon Valley, the South is the region with the greatest income inequality. Southern exceptionalism has helped to ensure that the American Dream is more likely to be realized in the Old World than in the New. The mythology of American exceptionalism holds that ever since 1776 the United States has led the rest of the world in expanding individual liberty and the growth of the middle class. This makes for inspiring Fourth of July rhetoric, but it has never been true. In reality, the United States has frequently lagged behind Britain and her other offspring in these areas. Britain peacefully abolished slavery within its empire in the 1830s; thanks to Southern opposition, the U.S. did so only as the result of the catastrophic Civil War. And thanks to mid-century Southern members of Congress, welfare-state policies from home ownership to Social Security were designed to reinforce segregation or exclude the disproportionately-Southern black and white poor. Not until the 1960s, with the help of federal military intervention in Southern states, was the right of African-Americans to vote secured. And today white Southern Republicans are at the forefront of efforts to roll back the voting rights revolution by making voter registration more difficult. Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/07/how-the-south-skews-america-119725.html#ixzz3fGpG6n9B Poster Comment: Get the sandbags, somebody's head is about to 'splode. Apart from California and New York, where statistics reflect the wealth of Wall Street, Hollywood and Silicon Valley, the South is the region with the greatest income inequality.
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#1. To: NeoconsNailed, Jethro Tull, X-15, Lod, Obnoxicated (#0)
Messing with Texas Sam Francis, April 7, 2003 Michael Lind’s willingness to buttress what the establishment Left wants to believe (and wants the rest of the country to believe) is perhaps one explanation for his sudden splash into celebrity only a few years ago, but surely not the only one. His first full-length book, The Next American Nation, was a learned and cleverly argued interpretation of American history that comprised the ideological foundation of the author’s “liberal nationalism,” a creed he has served up in most of his other books as well. Of the three Lind books that I have read, all, including his latest, display the same flashes of brilliance and often ingenious talent of spying historical and cultural patterns that no one else has detected. All of them also suffer from the same flaws: his efforts to push cultural, political, and historical realities into the convenient categories he has discovered, even when they don’t fit, and a steady, harsh, almost obsessively angry polemic directed against a standard set of the author’s favorite targets: conservatives (neoconservatives in particular); the American South, especially its Celtic manifestations; and religion of almost all species (especially “supernaturalist” Christianity). In Made In Texas, Lind not only trips into the same fallacies but also eagerly seizes the opportunity offered by the administration of George W. Bush to clobber the same targets. The argument is that Texas, or at least one cultural-political pattern in it, has taken over the country through the persona of George W. Bush, his Christian Right allies, and a Republican Party controlled by fellow Lone Star rangers Dick Armey, Phil Gramm, Tom DeLay, and Dick Cheney. With a little help from the brains provided by the neoconservative Jews of the northeast, the Texas mafia has plotted a cowboy crusade against Iraq and other Arab states, permitted the country to be flooded with illegal immigrants to supply cheap labor, and, out of subservience to Texas oil and agribusiness interests, gutted all the environmental policies constructed by previous administrations. In addition to warmongering, greed, and reckless disregard for nature, the Bush gang is also racist, and while no special manifestation of that sin comes easily to mind, Lind throws it in anyway to complete the picture he is trying to paint. The Texas Mr. Bush and his cabal represent is symbolized by the city of Waco. It is in Waco that Baylor University, a Southern Baptist center, is located, there in 1916 that Jesse Washington—a black teenager who confessed to raping a white woman—was burned alive and there that the Ku Klux Klan in 1923 held a public parade of some 2,000 members. It was in Waco, too, that David Koresh and his Branch Davidians nested, and the city is thus doubly notorious, “first for the ritual public burning of Jesse Washington and then for the apocalyptic immolation of David Koresh and his cult.” The relevance of the heart of darkness that festers in Waco ought to be obvious enough, as the city is only 18 miles from Crawford, where President Bush has a ranch. If you think that Waco, Crawford, and the demons that seem to reside around them are all that Texas has to offer, be not deceived. As Lind makes clear, Waco and Crawford are not really in the West at all, “but in the Deep South.” There is another Texas, one that shines in Lind’s eye as a kind and gentle land, not settled by Anglo-Celtic Southern Protestants whose ancestors “had been conquering and expropriating other ethnic nations for centuries,” but by German and Scandinavian pioneers, who made friends with the Indians, collected large libraries, cultivated orchards, and in general just loved mankind. It was out of this “German-Scandinavian” Texas that one of Lind’s heroes, Lyndon Johnson came, as did the author himself. Lind, you see, is from Texas, and in the preface to his book he spends nearly three pages telling us all about his ancestry and why they have little to do with the Evil Texas. It soon becomes clear that in spite of a good deal of erudition in Texas history, geography, folklore, and politics, much of what he might have imparted to his readers is soon immersed in a fog of ideological-political bias, social snobbery, and personal resentment. At every opportunity he delivers a few more insults to the Anglo-Celtic lowlifes he despises. “While the Waco/Crawford area is infamous for its violent religious fanatics and its shocking lynchings,” he writes, “the [German-settled] Hill Country has long been a haven for mavericks of all kinds—the very sort of people who are not welcome among many of George W. Bush’s neighbors,” and in contrast to the utopian German-Scandinavian areas of peace-loving orchard-keepers, In the regions of Texas infused with traditional Southern culture … deviance in political views, religious belief, behavior, or even dress could—and sometimes still can—subject one to ostracism, verbal harassment, physical beatings, or even murder. A small-m maverick in the vicinity of the present-day Johnson ranch could always be certain that his life and property would be secure. Throughout most of the history of Texas, a maverick living near the present-day Bush ranch could not be sure about his safety. This sort of bitter characterization of the conservative, Confederate, fundamentalist, and mainly Anglo-Celtic Texas he hates—“a toxic by-product of the hierarchical plantation society of the American South, a cruel caste society in which the white, brown, and black majority labor for inadequate rewards while a cultivated but callous oligarchy of rich white families and their hirelings in the professions dominate the economy, politics, and the rarefied air of academic and museum culture,” on the one hand—and the “modernist” or “cosmopolitan,” Unionist, secular, and mainly Germanic-Scandinavian Texas he coos over—“a society eager to embrace the Space Age and the Information Age … led … by a visionary and earnest elite of entrepreneurs, engineers, reformist politicians, and dedicated civil servants, many of them self-made men and women from humble origins … a broadly egalitarian meritocracy, not a traditional social order stratified by caste and class” on the other—continues without surcease throughout the first two chapters and is a steady refrain in most of the remainder. Lind’s inability to let it go for even a moment is at first offensive in its determination to issue the meanest and most sweeping generalizations he can imagine about an entire population group and its culture but soon becomes merely tiresome and at last comically predictable and childishly one-sided. Lind insists that George W. Bush is a creature of the degraded culture, he describes. However improbable that may seem for a descendant of New England Brahmins, whatever the president’s antecedents, he is certainly the arch-villain of the book, while the collective hero is a whole tradition that Lind dubs “Texas modernism.” Its proponents include Edward House, Woodrow Wilson’s adviser at the Paris Peace Conference and author of a novel advocating a Progressivist dictatorship in the United States, and continue with Lyndon Johnson himself, Ross Perot, Bobby Ray Inman, Barbara Jordan, Sam Rayburn, and John Connally. “Their goal,” much like that of House’s fictional dictator Philip Dru, “was a modernizing economic and social revolution from above in Texas, and their chosen instrument was state capitalism—civilian or military. They were not socialists, but they were statists,” and they “were the major rivals to the traditionalists in twentieth-century Texas.” The “traditionalists,” of course, are the genocidal religious neurotics whom Lind thinks have the Good Guys surrounded down at the corral. When Lind is forcing himself to be nice, they are representatives of “traditional Southern conservatism,” but more often he prefers the term “reactionary.” Indeed, it seems to be an unexamined article of Mr. Lind’s simple faith that human history is a unilinear process involving a continuous struggle between the Good Guys (“modernists”) and the Bad Guys (“reactionaries” and “traditionalists”). Lind seems to think that Progress must come, even if a small band of “modernists” needs to seize power in the state and force utopia onto the unwilling. “Texas modernism” is merely the local manifestation of the “liberal nationalism” that Lind has boomed in his other books, a “nationalism” that relies on the centralizing federal government to sponsor social reforms, economic growth, and progress in general. Lind is quite right that just such a tradition exists in American history, and his analysis of who does and who does not belong to it is usually keen. It is also, of course, a tradition that, pace Mr. Lind, is responsible for just about everything wrong in the annals of the American nation, launching most of the wars in our history, ballooning the size and power of the federal government, and wrecking American society through state-managed social engineering and economic regulation. Given Lind’s affection for statism, his hostility to the projected war against Iraq may seem difficult to explain—until one recalls that the war is in part the brainchild of the wicked President Bush, in league with what Lind keeps telling us are the “mostly Jewish” neoconservatives allied with the “reactionary white Southern Protestant fundamentalists.” Lind does offer a brief paragraph explaining that the “Jewish hawks” are not representative of “Jewish-Americans in general” and that not all neocons are Jewish, but the paint on his picture is already dry by the time he scribbles in the obligatory disclaimers. Despite Lind’s own thinly disguised ethnic hatred of the Other Texas, his book contains quite a bit of useful information and some striking insights. His account of the neoconservative policy empire in Washington and New York is valuable in itself, as is his discussion of the Judaeophilic theology of the Christian Right as a foundation of its alliance with the neoconservatives. Lind also effectively demolishes the claim that reducing immigration will result in higher production costs and shows how free trade leads to colonial dependency on the part of those countries that practice it. As for George W. Bush, Lind has probably attributed to him a far more sinister and sophisticated character than this president possesses. The president’s actual personality and character vanish as Lind stuffs them into his prefabricated bag of cultural and political stereotypes. What Lind wants for the future is simply the triumph of “Texas modernism” forever and ever, with the federal government managing American society and the economy in such a way as to redistribute the urban underclass away from the “coastal rim” of the country throughout the rural heartland and to construct a “high-tech infrastructure” throughout rural areas. If nothing else, such a state-managed program of demographic and economic redistribution would gut the Evil Texas and its analogues in other states that Lind loathes so much. Had he been able to overcome whatever demons seem to haunt him, Lind might have written a far more useful contribution to American political-cultural analysis. Sadly, he has not. corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
I have no ear for anything the author has to say. The bigot has an issue with southerners cause he is a racist biggot. Fuck that. ______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) If you don't control your mind someone else will.
Liberalism often works by smashing something and then declaring it hopelessly discombobulated. Who was it that killed off 1/4 of all Southern males old enough to shoulder a gun in the 1860s? Income equality? Before the above genocide, something like 4 of the richest states in the country were in Dixie -- including Mississippi as I recall.
And another thing, britian, canada, austraila, and new zealand are not seperate nations. They are part of the UK. When my credit card transactions come up in billing they call Canada UK. It is a common wealth empire. It is all the same nation.... a nation we fought a war against to win our independence.... we are not nor should we ever want to be like them. They , of the UK are happy subjects of her majesties owl worshiping crown..... we american prefer liberty to tyranny.... at least the few.of.us left with any common sense.
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So you are both going on record in favor of rolling back (whatever that means) voting rights of african americans?
corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
Dear God, how I miss having Sam Francis around. What a golden age that was. Now Gordon Baum's gone too -- it's a different world anymore, but we still get by from day to day. So far.
No, you're kinda taking liberties with what i said.... Im just pissy about some pinko being prejudiced against me for nothing more than being southern. This has nothing to do with race and everything to do with latitude. Which is silly. The south is the problem and blame for all of americas woes? No no no no no, fuck that guy. ______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) If you don't control your mind someone else will.
standard polling technique! corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
standard polling technique! lol and so it is , aint it. ______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) If you don't control your mind someone else will.
I cannot believe that I read all that garbage.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Imacherrybomblool corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
Americans probably should contemplate a repeal of the 14th Amendment altogether, since even a majority of the supposed "Supreme Court" is recently on record as not understanding it correctly. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
shadoobie...shattered
corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
Couldn't do that and be askeered of snakes and wolves too, so I deported 'em all from this Prairie O' Mine: ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Sing Flower Duet with me, GLMist, no one has ever done that before. Here's the words: Thick dome of jasmine Under the dense canopy where the white jasmine, Blends with the rose, That blends with the rose, Bank in bloom, fresh morning, On the flowering bank, laughing in the morning, alright, who else loves big block V-8?s corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
shadoobie corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
No doubt, you're right. I see it, you see it, a rare few others do too but with odds stacked like they are and the nation acting as it is,...... i have no clue how to correct the beast, know what i'm saying? ______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) If you don't control your mind someone else will.
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Lettuce ... huh? ... What kind of puzzling salad bar tyranny is that about picking only blue lotus flowers from bank property! ... Sounds like a secret squirrel code of some sort. If this duet is at the Fed Res, they don't even rate a musical Christmas card from me.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
You got me there, I wrote a song about lotus bank flowers too but no one listened. corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
Depends on what kind it is. If it's a dragon, they like milk but it makes them sleepy. In the Old Testament for a different situation, David used calming music. Dakmar's the 4um music expert for this shift, I think. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
I'll listen. Would like to see if it could possibly help to bring about a positive paradigm shift for America. Exquisite 'Flower Duet' from Lakmé (piano solo) ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Glad to see somebody appreciates music that is, in a sense, central to western civilization. Anybody heard of this guy named Wagner? Bad news -- the SC House has just sold us out. After 3 attempts in 13 hrs' debate, the communists got the votes to bring the flag down in Columbia. Our ancestors were the lucky ones -- they only had to fight this war for 18 years. I've been in it for 27!
Our ancestors were the lucky ones -- they only had to fight this war for 18 years. I've been in it for 27! It's only about 10:30 in the morning. Did they just vote without debating the matter at all? ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
No idea. The only details I'll check are who voted commie, and we're going to target them for de-election when the time comes. They'll learn nothing from it, the GOP and Dummacrats will learn nothing from it and will go on with the Soviet Socialist agenda -- but it's an open door for us to exploit and stoke voter dissatisfaction.
Didn't know much about him until after 9/11, when a Nostradamus scholar/author called me Wagnerian -- and not in a polite tone because I'd been contesting his translations. Prior to that, I had vaguely heard of the name but associated it more with Germanic opera generally rather than the particulars of his specific works. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
They'll learn nothing from it, the GOP and Dummacrats will learn nothing from it and will go on with the Soviet Socialist agenda -- but it's an open door for us to exploit and stoke voter dissatisfaction. Do you know yet which 3 Senators voted to not remove the flag? ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Got it somewhere. I'd like to think they did it from right motives but have learned never to assume anything. Just had phone interview from black AP guy and really gave it to him -- called it betrayal, treason, a massive blow against representative govt by the Chamber of Communism and other special interests -- "Mississippi will be indistinguishable from Michigan before this is over". At the end he asked whether I'll "be there for the ceremony tomorrow" and I said "No. Hell no, I won't go!"
Methinks that the good people of SC will more than make up for the loss of your flag from the crapitol grounds.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
They won't, but thanks for the thought. Crapitol, yes -- in serious ways a symbol of honor doesn't belong anywhere near that stinking whorehouse, but we can't just let them take everything! I'm not a leader per se, but am the only person I know of that's been active in the thick of the flag war the whole time -- not only in SC either. We actually cover the whole gamut of issues. Any non-liberal reading this, I'll send 'em a copy of our newspaper. Multiples for your friends if you like. Or the publisher's PDF by email?
God willing , the free people of south carolina will surround that flag pole and tell those pathetic limp wristsed bureaucrats to go to hell.
______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) If you don't control your mind someone else will.
They won't, just like in 2000. The idiot SCV will probably even go down there and do a salute!
According to the leftist GreenvilleOnline.com, the legistraitors made their final vote last night at 1:12 am.
Oh! How DRAMATIC. Great fodder for Walter Edgar to mumble on public radio as the evil deed is done. There's no issue, no grounds for any argumentation, no substance, but once it's an endless yammering PROCESS airheads feel it has this great historic WEIGHT to it.
Harvey Peeler, Lee Bright, and Danny Verdin. Nimrata Nikki Randhawa Haley is scheduled to sign the bill at 4:00 pm today, and they're planning to yank the Flag down tomorrow at 10:00 am. House vote roll call is given in this article: http://www.wltx.com/story/news/2015/07/07/confederate-flag-south-carolina-house- of-representatives/29842863/
Whoa. Bob Taylor's daughter voted to keep the Flag up! I wonder if the good folks at her church will throw her out now? Her church has a history of siccing the police on any non-PC political candidate who dares to pass out campaign literature on the PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY near their parking lot.
This is my South: - My South is full of honest, hard-working people. - My South is colorblind. In my South, we don't put a premium on pigment. No one cares whether you are black, white, red, or green with orange polka dots. - My South is the birthplace of blues and jazz, and rock n' roll. It has banjo pickers and fiddle players, but it also has B.B. King, Muddy Waters, the Allman Brothers, Emmylou Harris, and Elvis. - My South is hot. - My South smells of newly mowed grass. - My South was the South of The Partridge Family, Hawaii 5-0, and kick the can. - My South was creek swimming, cane-pole fishing, and bird hunting. - In my South, football is king, and the Southeastern Conference is the kingdom. - My South is home to the most beautiful women on the planet. - In my South, soul food and country cooking are the same thing. - My South is full of fig preserves, cornbread, butter beans, fried chicken, grits and catfish. - In my South we eat foie gras, caviar, and truffles. - In my South, our transistor radios introduced us to the Beatles and the Rolling Stones at the same time they were introduced to the rest of the country. - In my South, grandmothers cook a big lunch every Sunday. - In my South, family matters, deeply. - My South is boiled shrimp, blackberry cobbler, peach ice cream, banana pudding, and oatmeal cream pies. - In my South people put peanuts in bottles of Coca Cola and hot sauce on almost everything. - In my South the tea is iced and almost as sweet as the women. - My South has air-conditioning. - My South is camellias, azaleas, wisteria, and hydrangeas. - In my South, the only person that has to sit on the back of the bus is the last person that got on the bus. - In my South, people still say "yes, ma'am," "no ma'am," "please," and "thank you." - In my South, we all wear shoes....most of the time. My South is the best-kept secret in the country. Please continue to keep the secret....it keeps the idiots away. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Harvey Peeler, Lee Bright, and Danny Verdin. Nimrata Nikki Randhawa Haley is scheduled to sign the bill at 4:00 pm today, and they're planning to yank the Flag down tomorrow at 10:00 am. House vote roll call is given in this article: http://www.wltx.com/story/news/2015/07/07/ Thank you for the reports of those who stood heroically to guard the flag from the hatred of its totalitarian enemies. Link for the wltx.com article July 9, 2015: Confederate Flag to Come Down Friday Morning Excerpts: Each of those was overwhelmingly rejected [by] fellow lawmakers. ... other proposals ... One called for the U.S. flag to fly upside down on the dome of the capitol; another would have put a white flag of defeat on the pole at the State House, to represent what the sponsor defined as the "flag of the South Carolina Republican Party." Suggested boycotts: Charleston tourism ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
The mayor of Columbia is so sodomiphillic that I'm surprised they haven't proposed flying the rainbow flag. One of the reports said that the traitors voted to not only take down the Flag, but also the flag pole and the little iron fence around it. The fence was only decorative, as two Africans were easily able to scale it last week and jerk down the Flag (temporarily) a few days early. They were arrested and charged with defacing a monument, but I'm betting that the prosecutor will quietly drop the charges now.
Some issue-comparative Comments from an AL.com article: A close-up look at Birmingham's embattled Confederate monument "When they remove the monument, they should erect a sign that says 'BLACKS ONLY'." "Absolutely disgusting that civic leaders would attempt to destroy the heritage and history of their own city and choose to blatantly discriminate against those of us with Confederate heritage by attempting to remove a monument erected by her own citizens, in memory of her sons who fought and died to defend them." "I am insulted that the so called leaders of the city in which I was born would try to erase part of that history. From this day forward, I will never again purchase anything within the city of Birmingham. Not a gallon of gas, a loaf of bread or a stick of gum. Nothing that will bring the city of Birmingham a single penny of revenue." ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestI had Lind pegged as a bad egg, I guess I'm in good company.
#2. To: Dakmar (#0)
I don’t mean this in a good way. A lot of the traits that make the United States exceptional these days are undesirable, like higher violence and less social mobility. Many of these differences can be attributed largely to the South.
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#4. To: Dakmar (#0)
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#5. To: NeoconsNailed, titorite (#3)
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#7. To: Dakmar (#5)
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So you are both going on record in favor of rolling back (whatever that means) voting rights of african americans?
#8. To: titorite (#7)
No, you're kinda taking liberties with what i said....
#9. To: Dakmar (#8)
#10. To: Dakmar (#0)
#11. To: Lod, NeoconsNailed (#10)
I cannot believe that I read all that garbage.
#12. To: Dakmar (#5)
So you are both going on record in favor of rolling back (whatever that means) voting rights of african americans?
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#14. To: GreyLmist (#12)
Lighten up Francis!
#15. To: Dakmar (#14)
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Lighten up Francis!
#16. To: GreyLmist (#15)
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Couldn't do that and be askeered of snakes and wolves too, so I deported 'em all from this Prairie O' Mine:
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#18. To: GreyLmist (#12)
Americans probably should contemplate a repeal of the 14th Amendment altogether, since even a majority of the supposed "Supreme Court" is recently on record as not understanding it correctly.
#19. To: titorite (#18)
God save The Queen, We mean It ManG!
#20. To: Dakmar (#16)
#21. To: GreyLmist (#20)
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Lettuce ... huh? ... What kind of puzzling salad bar tyranny is that about picking only blue lotus flowers from bank property!
#22. To: titorite, Dakmar (#18)
i have no clue how to correct the beast, know what i'm saying?
#23. To: Dakmar (#21)
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I wrote a song about lotus bank flowers too but no one listened.
#24. To: GreyLmist (#23)
#25. To: NeoconsNailed (#24)
Bad news -- the SC House has just sold us out. After 3 attempts in 13 hrs' debate, the communists got the votes to bring the flag down in Columbia.
#26. To: GreyLmist (#25)
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#27. To: NeoconsNailed (#24)
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Glad to see somebody appreciates music that is, in a sense, central to western civilization. Anybody heard of this guy named Wagner?
#28. To: NeoconsNailed (#26)
No idea. The only details I'll check are who voted commie, and we're going to target them for de-election when the time comes.
#29. To: GreyLmist (#28)
#30. To: NeoconsNailed (#29)
#31. To: Lod (#30)
#32. To: NeoconsNailed (#31)
#33. To: titorite (#32)
#34. To: GreyLmist (#25)
It's only about 10:30 in the morning. Did they just vote without debating the matter at all?
#35. To: StraitGate (#34)
#36. To: GreyLmist (#28)
Do you know yet which 3 Senators voted to not remove the flag?
#37. To: NeoconsNailed (#33)
#38. To: StraitGate, 4 (#37)
stolen from fr back in '03 - enjoy -
#39. To: StraitGate (#36)
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Do you know yet which 3 Senators voted to not remove the flag?
confederate-flag-south-carolina-house-of-representatives/29842863/ [Some] proposed amendments would have created a display case for the Confederate flag that would have been in front of the monument at the capitol, one to remove all monuments, and even one that would have required ... flowers to be planted near the monument.
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#40. To: GreyLmist (#39)
#41. To: StraitGate (#40)
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One of the reports said that the traitors voted to not only take down the Flag, but also the flag pole and the little iron fence around it.
"I say good, remove the statue! Get it out of this racist city run by racists and supported by racists! It deserves to be in a less filthy and far more honorable place"
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