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Title: (Dallas) Police Deny Excessive Force In Bloody Arrest (black cop, white girl)
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URL Source: http://www.nbc5i.com/news/6158812/detail.html
Published: Jan 16, 2006
Author: NBC5
Post Date: 2006-01-16 20:18:09 by BTP Holdings
Keywords: Excessive, (Dallas), Police
Views: 12747
Comments: 855
POSTED: 5:16 pm CST January 16, 2006
DALLAS -- E-mails and pictures circulating the Internet tell the tale of a Dallas woman's bloody run-in with police after a roller-skating outing escalated into an arrest with excessive force, but officers and some witnesses Monday told a different story.
The incident happened early Saturday morning in Deep Ellum after police attempted to speak with Michelle Metzinger, 25, who, according to a police report, was intoxicated and weaving through traffic on roller skates.
Images: The Arrest & Other Slideshows
The pictures that stemmed from the events that followed are dramatic. They show an officer arresting Metzinger. Her face is covered in blood and there is a puddle of blood on the sidewalk.
"Very excessive. Uncalled for, you know. We're talking about a 250-pound guy and a 100-pound girl. It was just over the top," witness "D.C." said. "All I saw were her feet in the air and disappearing behind a cop car."
However, Dallas police and other witnesses tell a totally different story.
They said Metzinger was drunk and that she not only ignored officers who asked her to stop skating in the street, but also shouted profanities.
According to reports, an officer then tried to arrest Metzinger for public intoxication.
She resisted and attacked the officer, Lt. Rick Watson said.
"The officer attempted to turn her around, at which time the suspect then reached up and grabbed the officer's -- right part of his face -- trying to gouge the officer's eye," Watson said.
Despite the interest that the story has generated online and in the media, Metzinger said she would not comment on the incident until she had consulted with a lawyer.
Metzinger also had not filed a complaint report, so Dallas police were not conducting an internal investigation.
When I worked concert security and someone got bloodied, it was always proper for us to "get our stories straight." Or, as Eddie Murphy said in that movie, "You were lying your asses off." That LT is a lying piece of shit and so is the black cop who LIED in his report.
I'll tell you one thing for certain, this bastard needs to be caught and given a damn hard ball-batting. And then a WHITE magic marker taken to his forehead and the words BAD COP inscribed thereon. What was done was brutal, inexcusable and unjustified.
Police Deny Excessive Force In Bloody Arrest
Dramatic Pictures, Rumors Circulate Online
UPDATED: 6:11 pm CST January 16, 2006
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Pictures taken by a witness clearly show the cops are LIARS!
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#744. To: Jethro Tull (#743)
Which PROVES what? That he's been accused by people before? That suggests a problem but it doesn't PROVE anything at all. It's all subjective. WHO accused him? When? Why? Why were they deemed unsupported or inconclusive? Is there a cover up or was there really NO EVIDENCE because it didn't really happen? You simply don't know. All that information does (for me) is reinforce my unwillingness to decide that I "know" what really happened. I believe, I don't know anything.
I don't know about you, but the present STATE OF THE UNION scares the crap outa me...
Be that as it may, there is another thing here which takes this a step further, and that is best described by the word experience. By this we take the truth to a higher plane. It is impossible to relate this by mere words alone. Trust me on this. I know what I'm talking about. ;0)
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Which PROVES what? That he's been accused by people before? That suggests a problem but it doesn't PROVE anything at all. It's all subjective. WHO accused him? When? Why? Why were they deemed unsupported or inconclusive? Is there a cover up or was there really NO EVIDENCE because it didn't really happen? You simply don't know. All that information does (for me) is reinforce my unwillingness to decide that I "know" what really happened. I believe, I don't know anything. That is a very high number of complaints, whether or not they were unfounded is irrelevant. I can tell you that I have had literally hundreds of incidents during the 11 years I did my thing. And during that time I had maybe 2 complaints that I had to deal with, one of which I had to go to court on. All of my immediate supervisors said the same thing, that I was one of their best guys. JT, how many incidents did you have in your work record in that jungle we call NYC? I'll bet it wasn't as many as this guy in Dallas has had in a similar period of time.
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
By this we take the truth to a higher plane. It is impossible to relate this by mere words alone. Trust me on this. I know what I'm talking about. ;0) Yes, and I related MY EXPERIENCE to y'all. I work in an emergency room and in the psychiatric field. I see this stuff all the time. I live in the boonies NOW but I lived & worked in an inner city for 15 years. I'm not naive in any sense of the word. I am aware of what happens when ANYONE tries to handcuff or subdue a person unwilling to submit. There is NO WAY to accomplish it without a fight. That means that the officer gets kicked, bitten, spat on, hair pulled, scratched, elbowed, WHATEVER... and it follows that the person being handcuffed gets banged up as well. Whose fault is that? Well gee, it depends on who decided to resist arrest? Should the officer just let her go because she resists????? HOWEVER, if the person was NOT resisting, THEN we blame the officer. How do we decide the truth then? Witnesses. Photographs. Statements of those involved. The witnesses all corroborate the fact that the girl WAS resisting arrest. One can safely assume that she struggled and might have fallen. She was drunk, that is NOT a question. She was wearing roller skates WITH WHEELS. That is not a question. Her injuries are minor. The photos imply she was defiant. That SUPPORTS his view.
I don't know about you, but the present STATE OF THE UNION scares the crap outa me...
When a police officer average more than two formal complaints a year, it’s my experience that where there’s smoke, there’s fire. IMO, he’s one of the many 250 pound assholes who are unfit to be “policing” anything, never mind anyone. If that stuffed bag of doughnuts couldn’t control a 90 pound kid on skates, who completely submitted btw, he’s in the wrong business. Been there, seen it, it blows.
Okay, fair enough. Has anyone checked HER record? I'd be interested in hearing all about what made her get drunk, go rollerskating in the middle of a highway, and then resist arrest... If this is a real issue with true merit, why is there no press on it aside from this ONE obscure article? I have run out of time for now... I'll catch up later... See if anyone can find out more about her?
I don't know about you, but the present STATE OF THE UNION scares the crap outa me...
Far fewer than that, and I was in stationed in all the dumps NYC has to offer. And another thing. For every formal complaint lodged, countless go unreported. The public isn't dopey - they know the investigation of a cop is a routine whitewash. That said, multiply his 27? complaints by 5 and you'll be closer to the actual number.
I hear that. I know it's right what you're saying. And for all the cops back in the "old neighborhood" they were as tough as they were fair-minded most of the time. And when we ran across one with a bad attitude he either had a case of "small man syndrome" of was under orders of some sort. And if it happened to be something else, a word to the right cop you knew got back to the jerk in question and things chilled out. If it didn't we could count on the good guys to make things right. I was lucky I knew alot of the good guys. ;0)
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Have we proven she was drunk? And even if she was drunk,
being on skates, she’d be far easier to control. Let’s take the
officers story as fact for the sake of argument. What harm would it have been
if he back up and let her kick at thin air? That would have been the right
thing to do, since her efforts would have lasted 5 minutes, and threatened
nobody. And talk about the neat pics that would have generated (g).
What bothers me in this matter is her size, his bulk, and the pictures of her
submitting prior to the incident. Also, the general trend of police behavior
over the past few years is troubling. They've become increasingly aggressive,
especially in places like this Deep Ellum-type area. To "protect and serve"
has been replaced with "to arrest and summons".
They've allowed themselves to become revenue collectors for local government,
and they love it.
I don't doubt your personal experience with the aftermath of these sort of incidents. I've also known another woman who worked in ER in Cook County Hospital (Chicago). You can't get much more "inner city" than that. So I've heard this all before and I do not doubt anything you say in this regard. (HA! She used to mess with the darkies when they would mess with her. She would withhold meds from the junkies and the junkies would start screaming, "Doc, she's stealing my dope." She would say, "Don't listen to him, Doc, he's just trying to get more." ROTFLMAO!) It does not always turn out like this, not by a long shot. Like JT says, been there, seen it (and done it), and it does indeed blow. Handcuffing someone was only a measure of last resort to protect all parties involved, them and us. In short, there's been times when all that was necessary was to just put them down and that was only on rare occasion at that. Sometimes there had to be a thumping dished out but that wasn't common at all. One time (Lollapalooza in Des Moines) when I had a kid just haul off and start swinging at me it was really easy to subdue him and put him down and cuff him. So I don't believe one minute that what I see in those pics was necessary or reasonable. I could relate dozens more incidents where there was never any blood drawn or for that matter anyone sent to jail. It's all a matter of perspective and rarely was there ever any hard feelings at a later date if you happened to encounter someone you had a previous altercation with. Matter of fact, I bumped into a guy at an after show party and he reminded me that I threw him out of one venue a couple years before. He bought me a drink and we shook hands. He admitted he was being a jerk at the time. I can tell you what happened when I had to thump a one time acquaintance of mine when he got out of line. Sure, I put some lumps on his head. I did not have to kick his ass. It was very simple, really, all I did was sit on him. What can I say, he made a huge tactical error. And this was only after I did the proper thing and tried to retreat to defuse the situation. ;0) Excuse me, but one of the first news reports I saw with interviews of witnesses said nothing of the sort, unlike a certain BOZO who has been dismissed from this forum. The vast majority of witnesses say it was excessive force. But then, you can line up twenty people and have them witness a pre-arranged incident and you will get 20 different descriptions of what they have seen. So, whom do you believe? I believe what my gut instinct tells me based on my own experience in the trenches. I've lived it and survived and seen others bad hurt. I know when I see a situtation that stinks and this one sure as hell does. They would not want me on the jury for this even if I had no knowledge of the incident since I have a very strict interpretation of what it takes to cross that thin blue line. I've been on both sides of it and walking that line is one of the most hair raising things anyone can choose to do. I've always lived on the edge and I haven't changed a whit. Just ask some bureauRATS about me some time. I guarantee I leave an impression on them even though they just meet my mighty pen. ;0)
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Some of the biggest laughs I've had was when some drunken clown would square off and think he was going to give me a pasting. I would just let him commit and reach out and grab his wrist and it was all over faster than you could say "Cuff 'em and stuff 'em." ;0)
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Yep. The stewballs who wanted to fight made me feel like Muhammad Ali in his prime. Step to the right, and Ole! (g).
It wasn't a highway, and perhaps she was legally drunk (considering her size, "a couple" would likely do it). Whether she was drunk enough to attack a police officer, the 1st photo of her standing by the cruiser seems to indicate compliance, but the "eyewitness" accounts seem to be at either extreme of 'she started it' or 'he beat her'. I suspect the truth may be more like, she took her hands off the car, perhaps turned, the officer instead of telling her to resume her position began to force her back into position, at which point: We've yet to see/hear credible evidence of what happened between the time she was standing to when she was under the officer on the street. Here is some more background: Using street & town and business names from various news articles, I did a Google search to generate a picture of the "scene". You can do the same with this link: local Google tattoo OR bar OR alley near July Aly & N Crowdus St, Dallas, TX 75226 Wait for the image to load, then click "hybrid" in upper right corner (to get satellite photo w/labels overlaid). Then in the upper left corner, click zoom "+" incrementally. If you do that, you should see: Note the streets are shown in yellow with traffic directions and note that Elm St is one-way southwest bound, seemingly a 4-lane with parking on both sides. "B" (Elm St Tattoo) seems to be where the arrest was made. "D" (Elm Street Bar) is where Metzinger had just left, crossed Elm street to the north, arriving at Elm St Tattoo. Note also that the Elm St Bar seems to be set back from the street with a parking lot in front (empty at the time this satellite photo was taken). "C" (July Alley) is where many of the eyewitnesses (like " Richard") claim to have been standing. At maximum zoom, you can see the Elm St traffic lanes clearly and the 'point' of the red balloon "B" is probably where the partrol crusier was parked, pointing to the left, and the photos we see were taken from the sidewalk in front of Elm St Tattoo facing south across Elm St towards the parking lot in front of the Elm St. Bar "D": Here is a thread supposedly posted by the person who actually took the photos: I met up with Amanda outside of Elm St. Tattoo, and there was a derby girl skating from the bar across the street to the tattoo parlor. No big deal. But a cop stopped her to give her a ticket. Well, she gave some attitude, but went with it. Kept her hands on the car while he wrote her a ticket. I crossed the street to the bar, and another skater went past me, nothing happened to her, even though her friend was getting a ticket for skating in the street.... very wierd. I turned back around to look at the girl and the cop, and I see him wrestling her to the ground. She's screaming, this tiny girl, is struggling, while about 50 people gather and start yelling. Turns out someone on the sidewalk yelled something to her, she turned to see the person, took her hands off of the car, and the cop got pissed. She gave attitude, I think he shoved her back on the car, so she stuggled back up, and he shoved her around. He was at least 200 pounds. She was about 100. Her face was bloody. I have a few pictures. I was questions, they got my info to call me. I hope they do. Honestly, this whole mess makes me fucking sick and sad. I want to be a cop, so it's not like I'm against them. About 6 more cop cars showed up. 18 cops. One ambulance. They're treating us, including us ones trying to be helpful and nice, like shit. And when we're explaining it to other people, they yelling at us, and threating us "we'll give you tickets for standing on the street, we don't care!" What.... what the hell? How ignorant. The girl got checked up, seemed fine, and then they took her off to jail. Oh my God. These are MY PICTURES all over the internet. She was NOT skating through traffic. That's what gets me. She crossed the street. And, I'm not sure where you're from, but in a place like Deep Ellum, it's like 6th street in Austin, people are walking all over the streets. She was NOT weaving in and out of traffic like the damn news said. And I'm ticked off they reported that. I know these pictures are all over the internet, but they came from ME. Here's a Google news search on Metzinger OR Gordon and you'll note there are many news stories, including an appearance in court. If you click "web" you'll find about 150 or so hits, but be careful as there are another couple of Michelle Metzinger's elsewhere.
(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)
Okay guys... We'll have to agree to disagree... Let the jury sort it out.
I don't know about you, but the present STATE OF THE UNION scares the crap outa me...
Happy Valentine's Day. :D
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
for more info here's the link to the photographer... http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=1064892&blogID=77774019 and if you want to help Michelle... http://www.helpmichelle.org/ and a pic of her under her skating name... http://www.assassinationcityderby.com/agents/pages/images/MuffThumper.jpg love ruthie XXXXXX
Welcome to 4 ruthie.. glad you joined us
Now this interesting from one of the links: "Michelle was on rollerskates and was out weighed by the officer by approximately 150 pounds. Was such force necessary? Officer Gordon has numerous complaints and internal affairs reports against him for using excessive force (see the Recent News articles)."
welcome to 4, ruthie. do you know if Michelle (nice pic of her, btw) is pursuing action against Ceaphus?
Thanks for the update on Michelle, ruthie. From everything I've seen and read it appears the police overreacted. I'm glad Michelle has legal help and is carefully planning her strategy. I'll be following her case with great interest. Good luck to all!
WOW, this is a longass thread... Christine, I live in Dallas, and I have not heard any more news on this event since it happened. So far as I know, and I just watched our local news, the officer was never removed from his duties in any way and the woman arrested has not filed any sort of complaint yet. As of now it is a non-story around these parts. There were two shootings in Deep Ellum over the weekend, not officer involved, and the suspects were detained without incident. I'll letcha know if I hear anything else.
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." Richard Feynman
You think you could edit BTP's original post and add these links (as img's - so they show) to the photo's at the end of the poster comments? That way these new photo's will appear for anyone reviewing this thread. You might also include a link to ruthie's post with a note for anyone who wishes to help out Michelle? http://www.helpmichelle. org/images/Bloody.jpg (The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)
Damn Starwind, I just came across this post of yours. I really need to start
checking my pings. Great research. Take a look at ruthie’s post. Michelle
appears to be preparing to take this to the wall - just as we thought. It's a
slam dunk.
This I just included for fun because it is proof that you do not know what you are talking about and that you are making things up as you go along. There is NO evidence to date that she was bloodied with her face on the pavement under the officer57;s knee. Here is a new photo of Michelle with Officer Ceaphus's blood dripping from his bruises on to her face. (The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)
Thanks, ruthie. I hope Michelle is doing well. That pic of Gordon's partner still in the car is just amazing. It is unbelievable incompetence. I know for sure I never would have left my partner alone in any kind of confrontation. It is unprofessional not to mention he might have slugged me for leaving him hanging. ;0)
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
hi there Michelle wrote me and said that "(this)...web site you sent me made me very happy to know that people who don't even know me or the whole story know injustice when they see it and are willing to stand up and say it..." please, if you want to give Michelle a chance to see justice done, contribute at http://www.helpmichelle.org/ thank you for reading this :) love ruthie XXXXXX
please, if you want to give Michelle a chance to see justice done, contribute at http://www.helpmichelle.org/ I would do it for anyone under the same conditions and without hesitation. I have been a victim of injustice myself and we witness it on a daily basis. People need to know the truth as to why these things happen and that our public servants only have limited authority and must obey the law themselves. If I were able to send a few bucks I would do so, but I am strapped because of one of those instances of injustice I was speaking of above. I would encourage anyone reading this to send something if they are able since the lawyers do not work for free. Drop in any time you like and tell friends about our site. Guaranteed to give them a quick education, if they ask the right questions. Kisses back atcha. ;0)
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
(catches his kisses and blushes) thank you for starting this thread...and thanks to Richard for entertaining me with his open-minded, unbiased posts! (i hope that wasn't too melodramatic for you, Richard - it is one of my defects as a mere woman LOL) seriously, i know that Michelle is very grateful for the kind words of encouragement and any practical help would be appreciated :) love ruthie XXXXXX (please visit http://www.helpmichelle.org/)
(catches his kisses and blushes) Thanks for the little belated Valentine's Day encounter. Nicest thing to come my way in a long while. Maybe I can get down that way later this year and catch Michelle doing her roller derby gig. It would be a blast. ;0)
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
oops - the link shouldn't have a bracket on the end! sorry about that, it should be... and here's a pic of Michelle in happier times with some of her team-mates at roller derby...
LOL That's a great pic. Gotta love the skull and crossbones. The ears are fun also. They should give the cops a Jolly Roger to fly over the cop shop since all they are interested in is working their game of legal plunder against the very people who have given them their powers in the first place. I can tell you how it's fixed and it will get your blood boiling, guaranteed. People have no idea, really, what is going on and most are too busy trying to make ends meet to bother with it. They just pay and keep going. It's like the boys in the back room used to say, "They've got a swell racket." Trouble is many of the cops have no idea they are out of line. They've been brain washed, and as it says in the Bible, "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge (Hosea 4:6). So that brings us back to those higher up the chain of command who are taking orders from above, and those creeps are the politicians (most of them are lawyers) and other lawyers working for the government. I have no doubt that many of the middle upper level supervisors in the PD are complicit and know what they are doing. They've sold us out for their daily bread; the politicians likewise. Now government employs more people, directly, and indirectly because of various vendor contracts, than are in private industry. It's big business with a capital 'B' and together with their private industry allies they've got us all in a jam. It's what is more commonly known as fascism. They've reversed it to where we, the people, are now serving them when it should be as originally intended, that government serve the interests of the people. After all, we created the government for our benefit, not theirs. It is a privelege to work in that capacity. It is they, our public officials who are bound to obey ALL of the stautes since it is the public domain and the law was written for them, not private citizens. That is just the simple parts of how our public servants have usurped their power and authority. Later I can tell you how the game of legal plunder operates. It's not a pretty picture at all. When folks wise up and start to raise some hell, things will begin to change. It's like a friend of mine from Holland says, "The tide always turns." I hope this isn't too much for you at one time. But if we do not do anything it is going to get worse. Drop back any time and say hello. ;0)
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
ruthie, do you know where the laceration was which caused the large amount of blood on Michelle's face? under her chin in the one photo, the flow of blood is heavy. i hope that it wasn't her face because of scarring. do you know if she's healed, without visible permanent scarring, from her injury?
Christine, It has only been a couple weeks since the cut, you wouldn't be able to tell about permanent scarring at this stage. I have been checking the news locally for ya and there still is no more word about this incident that I have seen. I'll keep ya posted if anything turns up on this.
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman OK Richard, I for one can't play any longer. We all know your feelings about this matter from our last go around. Please stop trying to introduce your persona #2 as some impartial concerned citizen. ruthie has linked Michelle’s web site and it’s clear this case has legs. Sorry bub, that’s the system.
Jethro Tull, What the hell are you talking about?
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman i want to know where the laceration occurred though. it's likely that both sides would be closed-mouthed while investigation and preparation for a possible trial is in progress.
love ruthie XXXXXX
Christine, I don't know for sure, but looking at the photo, I would guess that it was somewhere on the left side of her chin, which would make sense if her face was pressed into the pavement. Hard to say for sure, cuz even the smallest facial cuts bleed something awful.
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman Richard Says: January 23rd, 2006 at 8:15 pm “She was brutalized by a Dallas police officer twicer her size during a citation for public intoxication. ” Sorry to disappoint you, but I was one of those first-hand witnesses. I was just coming out of July Alley, not 25 feet from where this went down. She was drunk and abusive. When the officer went to put her in handcuffs, she swung on him. He wrestled her to the ground. He did NOT strike her. Once on the ground, Miss Metzinger continued to fight him and started kicking him with her skates. The officer flipped her over onto her belly and handcuffed her. She sustained MINOR cuts on her face. This woman is a professional rollerderby skater, she fights for a living. She was NOT brutalized in any sense of the term. In fact, from what I saw, the officer used incredible RESTRAINT in his use of force. Given her struggle, he could easily have maced her or punched her in that situation, but he did not - he simply grappled her and handcuffed her, causing the least amount of damage to either party. She was drunk, resisted arrest and assaulted the officer… she was not a nun fresh from the convent. Joel Says: January 24th, 2006 at 8:56 am After further fact checking on my part and thanks to Richard’s input, I’m more than willing to eat crow on this one. I’m glad more has come out about this other than the official story and the one eye-witness account I read. Yes, it’s difficult to make a judgment based on only two stories without further corroborating evidence. Yes, a minor head cut bleeds like the dickens. So that can account for the aftermath photos. Still, I’m ashamed of myself and of the general state of media organizations that I feel the need to second guess and question their reporting on most issues. Oh well. Thanks, Richard! ruthie Says: February 16th, 2006 at 12:30 pm gosh, fancy finding you here, Richard! what an interesting set of posts you put in this forum and in http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi? ArtNum=17934&Disp=All unfortunately, you don’t seem to be as impartial and unbiased as you’d like people to believe, in fact you seem sexist to the point of mysogeny by your comments. if you checked your facts, you would discover that Michelle is not a professional skater and the photographs at http://www.helpmichelle.org show a little bit more blood than you would like people to believe. another inaccuracy is your bold assertion that she would plead guilty and this would all die down - she denied the charges and has the support of many other people including witnesses who contradict your own statements. perhaps you might think carefully before making any assertions about Michelle, as you might be called to account in court. have a nice day, by the way :) p.s. i am just another “hysterical woman” so you can ignore me and belittle my words, okay? ruthie XXXXXX
Gee Richard DOES seem to get around doesnt he?
hi5, christine ;) love ruthie XXXXXX
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#745. To: siagiah (#740)
You've added nothing to the story other than personal reference UNRELATED to this incident. It's all good and all that you "know" cops but you don't know THIS COP or THIS GAL and the truth isn't based on anecdotes unrelated to the situation being judged...
#746. To: siagiah, Jethro Tull (#744)
In his 13-plus years on the force, Officer Gordon has received his fair share of commendations and awards. But he's also had 27 complaints filed against him, most of which were deemed "unfounded" or "inconclusive." His record also includes at least two allegations of excessive force that were found to be inconclusive.
#747. To: BTP Holdings (#745)
Be that as it may, there is another thing here which takes this a step further, and that is best described by the word experience.
#748. To: siagiah (#744)
Which PROVES what?
#749. To: Jethro Tull (#748)
#750. To: BTP Holdings (#746)
JT, how many incidents did you have in your work record in that jungle we call NYC?
#751. To: Jethro Tull (#750)
Far fewer than that, and I was in stationed in all the dumps NYC has to offer. And another thing. For every formal complaint lodged, countless go unreported. The public isn't dopey - they know the investigation of a cop is a routine whitewash. That said, multiply his 27? complaints by 5 and you'll be closer to the actual number.
#752. To: siagiah (#749)
I'd be interested in hearing all about what made her get drunk,
go rollerskating in the middle of a highway, and then resist arrest...
#753. To: siagiah, Jethro Tull (#747)
Yes, and I related MY EXPERIENCE to y'all. I work in an emergency room and in the psychiatric field. I see this stuff all the time. I live in the boonies NOW but I lived & worked in an inner city for 15 years. I'm not naive in any sense of the word.
I am aware of what happens when ANYONE tries to handcuff or subdue a person unwilling to submit. There is NO WAY to accomplish it without a fight. That means that the officer gets kicked, bitten, spat on, hair pulled, scratched, elbowed, WHATEVER... and it follows that the person being handcuffed gets banged up as well. Whose fault is that?
The witnesses all corroborate the fact that the girl WAS resisting arrest.
#754. To: Jethro Tull (#752)
What harm would it have been if he back up and let her kick at thin air? That would have been the right thing to do, since her efforts would have lasted 5 minutes, and threatened nobody. And talk about the neat pics that would have generated (g).
#755. To: BTP Holdings (#754)
#756. To: Jethro Tull, siagiah (#752)
I'd be interested in hearing all about what made her get drunk, go rollerskating in the middle of a highway, and then resist arrest...
I dunno.
#757. To: Jethro Tull, BTP Holdings (#755)
#758. To: siagiah (#757)
#759. To: Starwind (#756)
#760. To: ruthie (#759)
#761. To: ruthie (#759)
#762. To: ruthie (#759)
Michelle Metzinger was wrongly arrested on the night of Friday, January 13th. The arresting officer, Ceaphus Gordon, claimed she was intoxicated; however, Michelle was with numerous friends who swear that she was not intoxicated. Officer Gordon then used excessive force to arrest Michelle as is portrayed in the pictures below. He found it necessary to cut off Michelle's circulation by putting his knee on her throat (see bottom picture). Michelle was on rollerskates and was out weighed by the officer by approximately 150 pounds. Was such force necessary? Officer Gordon has numerous complaints and internal affairs reports against him for using excessive force (see the Recent News articles).
#763. To: ruthie (#759)
#764. To: christine (#762)
welcome to 4, ruthie. do you know if Michelle (nice pic of her, btw) is pursuing action against Ceaphus?
#765. To: christine, BTP Holdings, ruthie (#762)
#766. To: Starwind (#756)
#767. To: Richard, Jethro Tull, Siagiah (#709)
(Starwind) #649 "the evidence to date is that she was bloodied with her face on the pavement under the officers' knee."
#768. To: ruthie, Jethro Tull (#759)
#769. To: BTP Holdings (#768)
#770. To: ruthie (#769)
Michelle wrote me and said that "(this)...web site you sent me made me very happy to know that people who don't even know me or the whole story know injustice when they see it and are willing to stand up and say it..."
#771. To: BTP Holdings (#770)
Kisses back atcha. ;0)
#772. To: ruthie (#771)
Kisses back atcha. ;0)
#773. To: BTP Holdings (#772)
i just LOVE those ears LOL! :) ruthie XXXXXX
#774. To: ruthie (#773)
#775. To: ruthie (#773)
#776. To: christine (#775)
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#777. To: Feynman Lives! (#776)
#778. To: Jethro Tull (#777)
OK Richard, I for one can't play any longer. We all know your feelings about this matter from our last go around. Please stop trying to introduce your persona #2 as some impartial concerned citizen. ruthie has linked Michelle’s web site and it’s clear this case has legs. Sorry bub, that’s the system.
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#779. To: Feynman Lives! (#776)
#780. To: Jethro Tull (#777)
well well - "Richard" is at it again - take a look at http://jombe.com/blog/2006/01/18/state-propaganda-1-fact-checkers-0/
#781. To: christine (#779)
want to know where the laceration occurred though.
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#782. To: ALL, ruthie (#780)
from ruthie's link and thanks for the link, ruthie!
#783. To: christine (#782)
#784. To: christine (#782)
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