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Title: (Dallas) Police Deny Excessive Force In Bloody Arrest (black cop, white girl)
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URL Source: http://www.nbc5i.com/news/6158812/detail.html
Published: Jan 16, 2006
Author: NBC5
Post Date: 2006-01-16 20:18:09 by BTP Holdings
Keywords: Excessive, (Dallas), Police
Views: 12721
Comments: 855
POSTED: 5:16 pm CST January 16, 2006
DALLAS -- E-mails and pictures circulating the Internet tell the tale of a Dallas woman's bloody run-in with police after a roller-skating outing escalated into an arrest with excessive force, but officers and some witnesses Monday told a different story.
The incident happened early Saturday morning in Deep Ellum after police attempted to speak with Michelle Metzinger, 25, who, according to a police report, was intoxicated and weaving through traffic on roller skates.
Images: The Arrest & Other Slideshows
The pictures that stemmed from the events that followed are dramatic. They show an officer arresting Metzinger. Her face is covered in blood and there is a puddle of blood on the sidewalk.
"Very excessive. Uncalled for, you know. We're talking about a 250-pound guy and a 100-pound girl. It was just over the top," witness "D.C." said. "All I saw were her feet in the air and disappearing behind a cop car."
However, Dallas police and other witnesses tell a totally different story.
They said Metzinger was drunk and that she not only ignored officers who asked her to stop skating in the street, but also shouted profanities.
According to reports, an officer then tried to arrest Metzinger for public intoxication.
She resisted and attacked the officer, Lt. Rick Watson said.
"The officer attempted to turn her around, at which time the suspect then reached up and grabbed the officer's -- right part of his face -- trying to gouge the officer's eye," Watson said.
Despite the interest that the story has generated online and in the media, Metzinger said she would not comment on the incident until she had consulted with a lawyer.
Metzinger also had not filed a complaint report, so Dallas police were not conducting an internal investigation.
When I worked concert security and someone got bloodied, it was always proper for us to "get our stories straight." Or, as Eddie Murphy said in that movie, "You were lying your asses off." That LT is a lying piece of shit and so is the black cop who LIED in his report.
I'll tell you one thing for certain, this bastard needs to be caught and given a damn hard ball-batting. And then a WHITE magic marker taken to his forehead and the words BAD COP inscribed thereon. What was done was brutal, inexcusable and unjustified.
Police Deny Excessive Force In Bloody Arrest
Dramatic Pictures, Rumors Circulate Online
UPDATED: 6:11 pm CST January 16, 2006
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Pictures taken by a witness clearly show the cops are LIARS!
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#761. To: ruthie (#759)
Now this interesting from one of the links: "Michelle was on rollerskates and was out weighed by the officer by approximately 150 pounds. Was such force necessary? Officer Gordon has numerous complaints and internal affairs reports against him for using excessive force (see the Recent News articles)."
welcome to 4, ruthie. do you know if Michelle (nice pic of her, btw) is pursuing action against Ceaphus?
Thanks for the update on Michelle, ruthie. From everything I've seen and read it appears the police overreacted. I'm glad Michelle has legal help and is carefully planning her strategy. I'll be following her case with great interest. Good luck to all!
WOW, this is a longass thread... Christine, I live in Dallas, and I have not heard any more news on this event since it happened. So far as I know, and I just watched our local news, the officer was never removed from his duties in any way and the woman arrested has not filed any sort of complaint yet. As of now it is a non-story around these parts. There were two shootings in Deep Ellum over the weekend, not officer involved, and the suspects were detained without incident. I'll letcha know if I hear anything else.
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." Richard Feynman
You think you could edit BTP's original post and add these links (as img's - so they show) to the photo's at the end of the poster comments? That way these new photo's will appear for anyone reviewing this thread. You might also include a link to ruthie's post with a note for anyone who wishes to help out Michelle? http://www.helpmichelle. org/images/Bloody.jpg (The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)
Damn Starwind, I just came across this post of yours. I really need to start
checking my pings. Great research. Take a look at ruthie’s post. Michelle
appears to be preparing to take this to the wall - just as we thought. It's a
slam dunk.
This I just included for fun because it is proof that you do not know what you are talking about and that you are making things up as you go along. There is NO evidence to date that she was bloodied with her face on the pavement under the officer57;s knee. Here is a new photo of Michelle with Officer Ceaphus's blood dripping from his bruises on to her face. (The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)
Thanks, ruthie. I hope Michelle is doing well. That pic of Gordon's partner still in the car is just amazing. It is unbelievable incompetence. I know for sure I never would have left my partner alone in any kind of confrontation. It is unprofessional not to mention he might have slugged me for leaving him hanging. ;0)
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
hi there Michelle wrote me and said that "(this)...web site you sent me made me very happy to know that people who don't even know me or the whole story know injustice when they see it and are willing to stand up and say it..." please, if you want to give Michelle a chance to see justice done, contribute at http://www.helpmichelle.org/ thank you for reading this :) love ruthie XXXXXX
please, if you want to give Michelle a chance to see justice done, contribute at http://www.helpmichelle.org/ I would do it for anyone under the same conditions and without hesitation. I have been a victim of injustice myself and we witness it on a daily basis. People need to know the truth as to why these things happen and that our public servants only have limited authority and must obey the law themselves. If I were able to send a few bucks I would do so, but I am strapped because of one of those instances of injustice I was speaking of above. I would encourage anyone reading this to send something if they are able since the lawyers do not work for free. Drop in any time you like and tell friends about our site. Guaranteed to give them a quick education, if they ask the right questions. Kisses back atcha. ;0)
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
(catches his kisses and blushes) thank you for starting this thread...and thanks to Richard for entertaining me with his open-minded, unbiased posts! (i hope that wasn't too melodramatic for you, Richard - it is one of my defects as a mere woman LOL) seriously, i know that Michelle is very grateful for the kind words of encouragement and any practical help would be appreciated :) love ruthie XXXXXX (please visit http://www.helpmichelle.org/)
(catches his kisses and blushes) Thanks for the little belated Valentine's Day encounter. Nicest thing to come my way in a long while. Maybe I can get down that way later this year and catch Michelle doing her roller derby gig. It would be a blast. ;0)
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
oops - the link shouldn't have a bracket on the end! sorry about that, it should be... and here's a pic of Michelle in happier times with some of her team-mates at roller derby...
LOL That's a great pic. Gotta love the skull and crossbones. The ears are fun also. They should give the cops a Jolly Roger to fly over the cop shop since all they are interested in is working their game of legal plunder against the very people who have given them their powers in the first place. I can tell you how it's fixed and it will get your blood boiling, guaranteed. People have no idea, really, what is going on and most are too busy trying to make ends meet to bother with it. They just pay and keep going. It's like the boys in the back room used to say, "They've got a swell racket." Trouble is many of the cops have no idea they are out of line. They've been brain washed, and as it says in the Bible, "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge (Hosea 4:6). So that brings us back to those higher up the chain of command who are taking orders from above, and those creeps are the politicians (most of them are lawyers) and other lawyers working for the government. I have no doubt that many of the middle upper level supervisors in the PD are complicit and know what they are doing. They've sold us out for their daily bread; the politicians likewise. Now government employs more people, directly, and indirectly because of various vendor contracts, than are in private industry. It's big business with a capital 'B' and together with their private industry allies they've got us all in a jam. It's what is more commonly known as fascism. They've reversed it to where we, the people, are now serving them when it should be as originally intended, that government serve the interests of the people. After all, we created the government for our benefit, not theirs. It is a privelege to work in that capacity. It is they, our public officials who are bound to obey ALL of the stautes since it is the public domain and the law was written for them, not private citizens. That is just the simple parts of how our public servants have usurped their power and authority. Later I can tell you how the game of legal plunder operates. It's not a pretty picture at all. When folks wise up and start to raise some hell, things will begin to change. It's like a friend of mine from Holland says, "The tide always turns." I hope this isn't too much for you at one time. But if we do not do anything it is going to get worse. Drop back any time and say hello. ;0)
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
ruthie, do you know where the laceration was which caused the large amount of blood on Michelle's face? under her chin in the one photo, the flow of blood is heavy. i hope that it wasn't her face because of scarring. do you know if she's healed, without visible permanent scarring, from her injury?
Christine, It has only been a couple weeks since the cut, you wouldn't be able to tell about permanent scarring at this stage. I have been checking the news locally for ya and there still is no more word about this incident that I have seen. I'll keep ya posted if anything turns up on this.
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman OK Richard, I for one can't play any longer. We all know your feelings about this matter from our last go around. Please stop trying to introduce your persona #2 as some impartial concerned citizen. ruthie has linked Michelle’s web site and it’s clear this case has legs. Sorry bub, that’s the system.
Jethro Tull, What the hell are you talking about?
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman i want to know where the laceration occurred though. it's likely that both sides would be closed-mouthed while investigation and preparation for a possible trial is in progress.
love ruthie XXXXXX
Christine, I don't know for sure, but looking at the photo, I would guess that it was somewhere on the left side of her chin, which would make sense if her face was pressed into the pavement. Hard to say for sure, cuz even the smallest facial cuts bleed something awful.
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman Richard Says: January 23rd, 2006 at 8:15 pm “She was brutalized by a Dallas police officer twicer her size during a citation for public intoxication. ” Sorry to disappoint you, but I was one of those first-hand witnesses. I was just coming out of July Alley, not 25 feet from where this went down. She was drunk and abusive. When the officer went to put her in handcuffs, she swung on him. He wrestled her to the ground. He did NOT strike her. Once on the ground, Miss Metzinger continued to fight him and started kicking him with her skates. The officer flipped her over onto her belly and handcuffed her. She sustained MINOR cuts on her face. This woman is a professional rollerderby skater, she fights for a living. She was NOT brutalized in any sense of the term. In fact, from what I saw, the officer used incredible RESTRAINT in his use of force. Given her struggle, he could easily have maced her or punched her in that situation, but he did not - he simply grappled her and handcuffed her, causing the least amount of damage to either party. She was drunk, resisted arrest and assaulted the officer… she was not a nun fresh from the convent. Joel Says: January 24th, 2006 at 8:56 am After further fact checking on my part and thanks to Richard’s input, I’m more than willing to eat crow on this one. I’m glad more has come out about this other than the official story and the one eye-witness account I read. Yes, it’s difficult to make a judgment based on only two stories without further corroborating evidence. Yes, a minor head cut bleeds like the dickens. So that can account for the aftermath photos. Still, I’m ashamed of myself and of the general state of media organizations that I feel the need to second guess and question their reporting on most issues. Oh well. Thanks, Richard! ruthie Says: February 16th, 2006 at 12:30 pm gosh, fancy finding you here, Richard! what an interesting set of posts you put in this forum and in http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi? ArtNum=17934&Disp=All unfortunately, you don’t seem to be as impartial and unbiased as you’d like people to believe, in fact you seem sexist to the point of mysogeny by your comments. if you checked your facts, you would discover that Michelle is not a professional skater and the photographs at http://www.helpmichelle.org show a little bit more blood than you would like people to believe. another inaccuracy is your bold assertion that she would plead guilty and this would all die down - she denied the charges and has the support of many other people including witnesses who contradict your own statements. perhaps you might think carefully before making any assertions about Michelle, as you might be called to account in court. have a nice day, by the way :) p.s. i am just another “hysterical woman” so you can ignore me and belittle my words, okay? ruthie XXXXXX
Gee Richard DOES seem to get around doesnt he?
hi5, christine ;) love ruthie XXXXXX
ooops! lol at my bad spelling! of course that should be MISOGYNY but you knew what i meant... i don't feel comfortable asking Michelle for details of her injuries - its sort of a privacy thing and might be important to any court case? i don't really know her even though she very kindly replied :) i just hope she can put all this behind her and move on once everything is sorted out. in the meantime, here's another forum but this one's in German so needs translating - Google sort of produces some of the meanings if you're interested.... http://www.talkaboutusa.com/viewtopic.php?t=23797&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 love ruthie XXXXXX p.s. more pics of those ears LOL
here's an extract from http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=1064892&blogID=77774019 by Camille (who took the original photographs at the start of this thread), dated 15 February 2006. She says... "...She was getting a ticket, which she thought was "bullshit" but she did not yell at the cop. It was when she was given the ticket that he got forceful. I was walking by the car and across the street at this point, and it's unclear if it's because she took the ticket and started to walk off, and he pulled her back, or if it was because someone yelled at her and she took her hands off of the car, that he pulled her back and threw her against the car. The point was he was overly forceful, and apparently this isn't the first time he's done it. But she wasn't drunk, she wasn't trying to push him around. The part that the cop says that I don't understand, is he says she tried to claw his eyes out, but I'm saying "Wait.... he said he was going to give her a ticket, though she didn't agree, she said fine. But suddenly when she's given the ticket she decided she was going to fight him?" So, if you've heard that part, it doesn't make any sense, because at no point was she forceful with him until after he was forceful with her, and she was trying to get away..." love ruthie XXXXXX
That flat rink roller derby is preety tame stuff compared to the banked rinks I watched when I was a kid. I'll be they have a blast doing that gig. You can see the crowd is sitting real close to the edge so you know it's not real rough. That is a very stupid assertion for anyone to make that Michelle is a fighter because of the roller derby thing. As far as cops giving tickets, I've come to see them now as pirates. And in that capacity they deserve just the same punishment we would give to pirates of old, make them walk the plank. I was complaining of that once on the CB radio when I was on the road driving the truck and someone came back and said, "Aye, matey, feed 'em to the sharks." Gordon may wish that would happen to him once Michelle's lawyer is finished raking him over the coals. ;0)
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
I'm beginning to grasp the popularity of this sport.
(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)
Nope. This definitely is not your father's roller derby.
(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)
Michelle wouldn't stand a chance paired up against Joanie. The Bay Bombers, I do believe I remember watching them on the tube when I was a kid. ;0)
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Agreed, but then neither would Officer Gordon.
(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)
LOL!!! what a picture that conjures! maybe they could do a charity match between ACD and the Police with "Richard" as the referee of course? ;) ruthie XXXXXX
Hi ruthie. About Richard. He now
posts here as Feynman Lives!. Altho he denies he's Richard, his style is
unmistakable. He's a liar, having been exposed twisting this Deep Ellum story,
and others, in countless different directions. His contention that Michelle
will plead guilty and drop this matter is absurd. We told him that from the
get go, yet his ego won't allow him to step back and take a reflective moment.
The one thing Richard might have right is that this case won't see one day in
court. I'm guessing The Dallas PD will be settle this one out of court,
leaving Michelle with a hefty nest egg, while once again covering the ass of a
brutal cop.
Much to the real Feynman's embarresment.
Dick soils the name of Feynman.
Here's a little more background ( I chased a link from ruthie's link above): Response to Friday the 13th in Deep Ellum When I posted about Friday night's Rollergirl / Police violence, I certainly was not anticipating over 150 replies! My intention for posting was to reflect upon the activities going on in the Deep Ellum area that have led to the declining culture in the area. Unfortunately, all of the pictures (even the mirror sites) are now gone. Surely, this is on the advice of someone's lawyer, and I do hope real justice is found. Deep Ellum, historically, has never been a safe place. It has been a red light district for longer than anyone currently alive can remember. It was the playground of Bonnie and Clyde and Jack Ruby. It has been gang turf for black, mexican, and white gangs alike. Muggings, shootings, robberies, and general beatings are nothing new. I've said for many years that the difference between Austin and Dallas is that on 6th Street in Austin, the police block the traffic through the streets, and protect the club patrons; whereas, on Elm Street in Dallas, the police direct the traffic to the street, and harass the club patrons. The harassment, however, has taken a huge turn in Ellum. I have been a participant of the Deep Ellum experience for 15 years. All along that decade and a half, I have seen and heard of all of the kinds of stories you would expect to hear about a 15 square block area where hundreds converge to drink and debauch. For the past 7 years, I have been DJing and promoting in Deep Ellum, which provides a view on the pulse of the area that one simply cannot grasp when they are there purely for fun. In 2000, I began working every Saturday night at one of the area venue. At first, everything in Deep Ellum was as it always has been. Then Laura Miller was elected mayor. That very month, the TABC (a branch of peace officers n charge of alcohol regulation) began what became obsessively regular checks. That week, I heard first hand out of an officer's mouth to expect many more because it was Laura Miller's intention to clean up the area and send a strong message. And many more were to be had. These weren't your standard and discreet checks of regulations. These were packs of officers, barrelling in the door, threatening your customers, and generally being jerks. It was happening all over Deep Ellum. Soon thereafter, a new police chief was named. Things only got worse. Citywide, we have held the number one spot for violent crime and robbery nationwide. All the while, the law enforcement in Ellum became just as scary as the existing crime. Over the course of the next year, the true nature of the beast became known. I began seeing the police gang up on and harass patrons waiting in line for clubs. One night at my club (thankfully, on a night I was not there) an officer shot and killed a nuisance teenager in a situation that should and could have easily been handled by arrest. I began seeing police shoot tear gas into clubs as a sat and ate dinner. Yet where were the police, for example, when I witnessed a drunk couple get into a fight that resulted in the guy repeatedly backing the girl's head into the curb? I assure you they had been called. I had to wonder what kind of message, exactly, Laura Miller was wishing to send here. Regarding this particular incident? In an odd way, I'm glad it happened. This is by far not the first story of recent police brutality in the area. I've seen it many times in person and on the news. This time, however, it wasn't a drunk yuppie willing to reach a high dollar settlement, or a gang banger with a bad record and little credibility. This was a roller girl; a girl who is part of a trend that has captured the fancy of thousands of people in Texas and beyond. Roller girls, and their fans, are not known to allow themselves to be fucked around, and are an outspoken bunch. As far as what can be accurately assessed by those pictures? I've discussed it in detail with my boyfriend, who has been trained and licensed as a police officer in Texas. Allow me to point out a few items: *** Many suggested that the girl mouthed off to the officer. In the state of Texas, any officer of the law cannot legally respond in any way, shape, or form to any verbal insults. While I wouldn't suggest it, you can tell off a cop in any manner at any time without legal repurcussion. *** Someone suggested her face was possibly bloodied by her falling on her rollerskates. First, I would like to point out (even though you can't see them now) that the place where her face was against the pavement when he was using his knee to pin her down by her neck is the exact same place that was bloodied in the following photographs. It is quite possible that she got on the ground in the first place by falling, though. It is still unforgivable that, as you could clearly see in the picture, he held her down by the neck with his knee. I know 100%, beyond a shadow of a doubt that the officer most definitely received detailed lecture and hands-on training in a multitude of more humane and more effective methods of restraining and cuffing her. In fact, he received specific training on how NOT to handle her as well. *** Someone suggested the roller girl clawed at the officer. Who knows was form of resistance she gave? What I do know, though, is that an officer is only legally allowed to exact equal force, and only the force necessary to undertake the arrest. The officer was easily twice the size of the rollergirl. Pinner down her torso by her neck was certainly not equal force, nor was it a necessary move to detain her. Hello officer? Here's a tip: She's face down on the pavement. Sit on her legs instead of her neck, and bring her arms behind her back. Her muscular force cannot match your resistance. I promise. *** By all accounts of the incident, there were a very large number of officers present on the scene. Police are trained to, when necessary, use as many officers as possible to detain an arestee. Cases of police brutality most commonly occur when one officer has to do too much to detain someone. Two officers can more easily detain an arestee with far less risk of anyone getting hurt. If she was truly putting up a big fight for a little girl, more than one of those present officers should have pitched in to detain her. This is police brutality. Point blank. (The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)
laughing...
heck with the ears, you gotta love the garters and stockings. :P
Oh "ears"! Golly. And here I thought ruthie mistyped "more pics of rears"
(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)
There was a move we used to stop someone who tried to run past you, it's called a clothes line. Works like a charm. ;0)
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
That'd be a lark. I'll volunteer to be the strait man on the security gig. I know exactly what to do, since it's the latent showman in me. And the end result will get the ref in a set of bracelets. I didn't work the concerts all those years for nothing. ROTFLOL!
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
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#762. To: ruthie (#759)
Michelle Metzinger was wrongly arrested on the night of Friday, January 13th. The arresting officer, Ceaphus Gordon, claimed she was intoxicated; however, Michelle was with numerous friends who swear that she was not intoxicated. Officer Gordon then used excessive force to arrest Michelle as is portrayed in the pictures below. He found it necessary to cut off Michelle's circulation by putting his knee on her throat (see bottom picture). Michelle was on rollerskates and was out weighed by the officer by approximately 150 pounds. Was such force necessary? Officer Gordon has numerous complaints and internal affairs reports against him for using excessive force (see the Recent News articles).
#763. To: ruthie (#759)
#764. To: christine (#762)
welcome to 4, ruthie. do you know if Michelle (nice pic of her, btw) is pursuing action against Ceaphus?
#765. To: christine, BTP Holdings, ruthie (#762)
#766. To: Starwind (#756)
#767. To: Richard, Jethro Tull, Siagiah (#709)
(Starwind) #649 "the evidence to date is that she was bloodied with her face on the pavement under the officers' knee."
#768. To: ruthie, Jethro Tull (#759)
#769. To: BTP Holdings (#768)
#770. To: ruthie (#769)
Michelle wrote me and said that "(this)...web site you sent me made me very happy to know that people who don't even know me or the whole story know injustice when they see it and are willing to stand up and say it..."
#771. To: BTP Holdings (#770)
Kisses back atcha. ;0)
#772. To: ruthie (#771)
Kisses back atcha. ;0)
#773. To: BTP Holdings (#772)
i just LOVE those ears LOL! :) ruthie XXXXXX
#774. To: ruthie (#773)
#775. To: ruthie (#773)
#776. To: christine (#775)
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#777. To: Feynman Lives! (#776)
#778. To: Jethro Tull (#777)
OK Richard, I for one can't play any longer. We all know your feelings about this matter from our last go around. Please stop trying to introduce your persona #2 as some impartial concerned citizen. ruthie has linked Michelle’s web site and it’s clear this case has legs. Sorry bub, that’s the system.
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#779. To: Feynman Lives! (#776)
#780. To: Jethro Tull (#777)
well well - "Richard" is at it again - take a look at http://jombe.com/blog/2006/01/18/state-propaganda-1-fact-checkers-0/
#781. To: christine (#779)
want to know where the laceration occurred though.
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#782. To: ALL, ruthie (#780)
from ruthie's link and thanks for the link, ruthie!
#783. To: christine (#782)
#784. To: christine (#782)
#785. To: christine (#782)
sexist to the point of mysogeny
#786. To: ruthie (#785)
#787. To: ruthie (#786)
#788. To: ruthie, Jethro Tull, BTP Holdings, Elliott Jackalope, tom007, markm0722 (#785)
more pics of those ears
#789. To: All (#788)
#790. To: Starwind (#789)
Nope. This definitely is not your father's roller derby.
#791. To: BTP Holdings (#790)
Michelle wouldn't stand a chance paired up against Joanie.
#792. To: Starwind (#791)
Agreed, but then neither would Officer Gordon
#793. To: ruthie (#792)
Richard
#794. To: Jethro Tull, ruthie (#793)
He now posts here as Feynman Lives!
#795. To: tom007, Dick (#794)
Much to the real Feynman's embarresment.
#796. To: All (#788)
#797. To: Starwind (#788)
I'm beginning to grasp the popularity of this sport.
#798. To: Starwind, BTP Holdings, ruthie, Jethro Tull (#789)
#799. To: christine (#798)
heck with the ears, you gotta love the garters and stockings. :P
#800. To: Starwind (#791)
Agreed, but then neither would Officer Gordon.
#801. To: ruthie (#792)
LOL!!! what a picture that conjures! maybe they could do a charity match between ACD and the Police with "Richard" as the referee of course? ;)
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