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Title: (Dallas) Police Deny Excessive Force In Bloody Arrest (black cop, white girl)
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URL Source: http://www.nbc5i.com/news/6158812/detail.html
Published: Jan 16, 2006
Author: NBC5
Post Date: 2006-01-16 20:18:09 by BTP Holdings
Keywords: Excessive, (Dallas), Police
Views: 13076
Comments: 855
POSTED: 5:16 pm CST January 16, 2006
DALLAS -- E-mails and pictures circulating the Internet tell the tale of a Dallas woman's bloody run-in with police after a roller-skating outing escalated into an arrest with excessive force, but officers and some witnesses Monday told a different story.
The incident happened early Saturday morning in Deep Ellum after police attempted to speak with Michelle Metzinger, 25, who, according to a police report, was intoxicated and weaving through traffic on roller skates.
Images: The Arrest & Other Slideshows
The pictures that stemmed from the events that followed are dramatic. They show an officer arresting Metzinger. Her face is covered in blood and there is a puddle of blood on the sidewalk.
"Very excessive. Uncalled for, you know. We're talking about a 250-pound guy and a 100-pound girl. It was just over the top," witness "D.C." said. "All I saw were her feet in the air and disappearing behind a cop car."
However, Dallas police and other witnesses tell a totally different story.
They said Metzinger was drunk and that she not only ignored officers who asked her to stop skating in the street, but also shouted profanities.
According to reports, an officer then tried to arrest Metzinger for public intoxication.
She resisted and attacked the officer, Lt. Rick Watson said.
"The officer attempted to turn her around, at which time the suspect then reached up and grabbed the officer's -- right part of his face -- trying to gouge the officer's eye," Watson said.
Despite the interest that the story has generated online and in the media, Metzinger said she would not comment on the incident until she had consulted with a lawyer.
Metzinger also had not filed a complaint report, so Dallas police were not conducting an internal investigation.
When I worked concert security and someone got bloodied, it was always proper for us to "get our stories straight." Or, as Eddie Murphy said in that movie, "You were lying your asses off." That LT is a lying piece of shit and so is the black cop who LIED in his report.
I'll tell you one thing for certain, this bastard needs to be caught and given a damn hard ball-batting. And then a WHITE magic marker taken to his forehead and the words BAD COP inscribed thereon. What was done was brutal, inexcusable and unjustified.
Police Deny Excessive Force In Bloody Arrest
Dramatic Pictures, Rumors Circulate Online
UPDATED: 6:11 pm CST January 16, 2006
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Pictures taken by a witness clearly show the cops are LIARS!
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#785. To: christine (#782)
ooops! lol at my bad spelling! of course that should be MISOGYNY but you knew what i meant... i don't feel comfortable asking Michelle for details of her injuries - its sort of a privacy thing and might be important to any court case? i don't really know her even though she very kindly replied :) i just hope she can put all this behind her and move on once everything is sorted out. in the meantime, here's another forum but this one's in German so needs translating - Google sort of produces some of the meanings if you're interested.... http://www.talkaboutusa.com/viewtopic.php?t=23797&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 love ruthie XXXXXX p.s. more pics of those ears LOL
here's an extract from http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=1064892&blogID=77774019 by Camille (who took the original photographs at the start of this thread), dated 15 February 2006. She says... "...She was getting a ticket, which she thought was "bullshit" but she did not yell at the cop. It was when she was given the ticket that he got forceful. I was walking by the car and across the street at this point, and it's unclear if it's because she took the ticket and started to walk off, and he pulled her back, or if it was because someone yelled at her and she took her hands off of the car, that he pulled her back and threw her against the car. The point was he was overly forceful, and apparently this isn't the first time he's done it. But she wasn't drunk, she wasn't trying to push him around. The part that the cop says that I don't understand, is he says she tried to claw his eyes out, but I'm saying "Wait.... he said he was going to give her a ticket, though she didn't agree, she said fine. But suddenly when she's given the ticket she decided she was going to fight him?" So, if you've heard that part, it doesn't make any sense, because at no point was she forceful with him until after he was forceful with her, and she was trying to get away..." love ruthie XXXXXX
That flat rink roller derby is preety tame stuff compared to the banked rinks I watched when I was a kid. I'll be they have a blast doing that gig. You can see the crowd is sitting real close to the edge so you know it's not real rough. That is a very stupid assertion for anyone to make that Michelle is a fighter because of the roller derby thing. As far as cops giving tickets, I've come to see them now as pirates. And in that capacity they deserve just the same punishment we would give to pirates of old, make them walk the plank. I was complaining of that once on the CB radio when I was on the road driving the truck and someone came back and said, "Aye, matey, feed 'em to the sharks." Gordon may wish that would happen to him once Michelle's lawyer is finished raking him over the coals. ;0)
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
I'm beginning to grasp the popularity of this sport.
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Nope. This definitely is not your father's roller derby.
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Michelle wouldn't stand a chance paired up against Joanie. The Bay Bombers, I do believe I remember watching them on the tube when I was a kid. ;0)
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Agreed, but then neither would Officer Gordon.
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LOL!!! what a picture that conjures! maybe they could do a charity match between ACD and the Police with "Richard" as the referee of course? ;) ruthie XXXXXX
Hi ruthie. About Richard. He now
posts here as Feynman Lives!. Altho he denies he's Richard, his style is
unmistakable. He's a liar, having been exposed twisting this Deep Ellum story,
and others, in countless different directions. His contention that Michelle
will plead guilty and drop this matter is absurd. We told him that from the
get go, yet his ego won't allow him to step back and take a reflective moment.
The one thing Richard might have right is that this case won't see one day in
court. I'm guessing The Dallas PD will be settle this one out of court,
leaving Michelle with a hefty nest egg, while once again covering the ass of a
brutal cop.
Much to the real Feynman's embarresment.
Dick soils the name of Feynman.
Here's a little more background ( I chased a link from ruthie's link above): Response to Friday the 13th in Deep Ellum When I posted about Friday night's Rollergirl / Police violence, I certainly was not anticipating over 150 replies! My intention for posting was to reflect upon the activities going on in the Deep Ellum area that have led to the declining culture in the area. Unfortunately, all of the pictures (even the mirror sites) are now gone. Surely, this is on the advice of someone's lawyer, and I do hope real justice is found. Deep Ellum, historically, has never been a safe place. It has been a red light district for longer than anyone currently alive can remember. It was the playground of Bonnie and Clyde and Jack Ruby. It has been gang turf for black, mexican, and white gangs alike. Muggings, shootings, robberies, and general beatings are nothing new. I've said for many years that the difference between Austin and Dallas is that on 6th Street in Austin, the police block the traffic through the streets, and protect the club patrons; whereas, on Elm Street in Dallas, the police direct the traffic to the street, and harass the club patrons. The harassment, however, has taken a huge turn in Ellum. I have been a participant of the Deep Ellum experience for 15 years. All along that decade and a half, I have seen and heard of all of the kinds of stories you would expect to hear about a 15 square block area where hundreds converge to drink and debauch. For the past 7 years, I have been DJing and promoting in Deep Ellum, which provides a view on the pulse of the area that one simply cannot grasp when they are there purely for fun. In 2000, I began working every Saturday night at one of the area venue. At first, everything in Deep Ellum was as it always has been. Then Laura Miller was elected mayor. That very month, the TABC (a branch of peace officers n charge of alcohol regulation) began what became obsessively regular checks. That week, I heard first hand out of an officer's mouth to expect many more because it was Laura Miller's intention to clean up the area and send a strong message. And many more were to be had. These weren't your standard and discreet checks of regulations. These were packs of officers, barrelling in the door, threatening your customers, and generally being jerks. It was happening all over Deep Ellum. Soon thereafter, a new police chief was named. Things only got worse. Citywide, we have held the number one spot for violent crime and robbery nationwide. All the while, the law enforcement in Ellum became just as scary as the existing crime. Over the course of the next year, the true nature of the beast became known. I began seeing the police gang up on and harass patrons waiting in line for clubs. One night at my club (thankfully, on a night I was not there) an officer shot and killed a nuisance teenager in a situation that should and could have easily been handled by arrest. I began seeing police shoot tear gas into clubs as a sat and ate dinner. Yet where were the police, for example, when I witnessed a drunk couple get into a fight that resulted in the guy repeatedly backing the girl's head into the curb? I assure you they had been called. I had to wonder what kind of message, exactly, Laura Miller was wishing to send here. Regarding this particular incident? In an odd way, I'm glad it happened. This is by far not the first story of recent police brutality in the area. I've seen it many times in person and on the news. This time, however, it wasn't a drunk yuppie willing to reach a high dollar settlement, or a gang banger with a bad record and little credibility. This was a roller girl; a girl who is part of a trend that has captured the fancy of thousands of people in Texas and beyond. Roller girls, and their fans, are not known to allow themselves to be fucked around, and are an outspoken bunch. As far as what can be accurately assessed by those pictures? I've discussed it in detail with my boyfriend, who has been trained and licensed as a police officer in Texas. Allow me to point out a few items: *** Many suggested that the girl mouthed off to the officer. In the state of Texas, any officer of the law cannot legally respond in any way, shape, or form to any verbal insults. While I wouldn't suggest it, you can tell off a cop in any manner at any time without legal repurcussion. *** Someone suggested her face was possibly bloodied by her falling on her rollerskates. First, I would like to point out (even though you can't see them now) that the place where her face was against the pavement when he was using his knee to pin her down by her neck is the exact same place that was bloodied in the following photographs. It is quite possible that she got on the ground in the first place by falling, though. It is still unforgivable that, as you could clearly see in the picture, he held her down by the neck with his knee. I know 100%, beyond a shadow of a doubt that the officer most definitely received detailed lecture and hands-on training in a multitude of more humane and more effective methods of restraining and cuffing her. In fact, he received specific training on how NOT to handle her as well. *** Someone suggested the roller girl clawed at the officer. Who knows was form of resistance she gave? What I do know, though, is that an officer is only legally allowed to exact equal force, and only the force necessary to undertake the arrest. The officer was easily twice the size of the rollergirl. Pinner down her torso by her neck was certainly not equal force, nor was it a necessary move to detain her. Hello officer? Here's a tip: She's face down on the pavement. Sit on her legs instead of her neck, and bring her arms behind her back. Her muscular force cannot match your resistance. I promise. *** By all accounts of the incident, there were a very large number of officers present on the scene. Police are trained to, when necessary, use as many officers as possible to detain an arestee. Cases of police brutality most commonly occur when one officer has to do too much to detain someone. Two officers can more easily detain an arestee with far less risk of anyone getting hurt. If she was truly putting up a big fight for a little girl, more than one of those present officers should have pitched in to detain her. This is police brutality. Point blank. (The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)
laughing...
heck with the ears, you gotta love the garters and stockings. :P
Oh "ears"! Golly. And here I thought ruthie mistyped "more pics of rears"
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There was a move we used to stop someone who tried to run past you, it's called a clothes line. Works like a charm. ;0)
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
That'd be a lark. I'll volunteer to be the strait man on the security gig. I know exactly what to do, since it's the latent showman in me. And the end result will get the ref in a set of bracelets. I didn't work the concerts all those years for nothing. ROTFLOL!
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Another tidbit from the thread linked above: http://cyberina.livejournal.com/518280.html?thread=1611144#t1611144 1) In the first photo she is co-operating and has "assumed the position". Even if she "mouthes off" there is no justifiable reason for the use of force. If she "resisted" while being cuffed, there are still limits to the amount of force which can be applied to restrain a suspect. Like force for like force is the watch word of the law enforcement officer in today's law suit happy world. 2) The use of the knee to pin the neck is NOT a sanctioned restraining move (the knee in the back is), because it can block airflow and choke the person being restrained (which is now a police no-no). 3) While her face injury may have occured from falling...if it was as a result of the officer's actions, the DPD is still responsible and liable. 4) The bystander (possibly a security guard) in the red jacket (photo #3, far lt.) is holding a homemade "riot baton" (from appearances, made of dowel rod). I have no idea why the police are permitting that, or why the person is permitted to be close to the situation, as others are being warned away. I wondered who this 'seemingly sanctioned' person was. Maybe he is "club" security?
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Most definitely, with the Jolly Roger on them. ;0)
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
quick witted! :P
hmmmmm...
Good follow ups. I can tell you without a doubt, that our authority ended at the property line of the buiding in which we were working. We could do what ever we needed to "police" the line as patrons were waiting to enter the venue for the show. And the cops encouraged us to do so because it kept them out of the picture; rightly so since the line and the people was our responsibility and we could bar anyone for drinking in public in the line and confiscate their booze or beer which we did regularly. A few times smart guys tried to hide a 12 pack in the trash can right alongside the line just down the street. They would freak when I walked over there and opened the bag on the top and picked it up. A few would protest out loud. My response was, "You think you're the first to try that dumb shit?" However, after the line was gone, our authority generally ended at the threshhold of the front door, though we had the authority to tell people to move away from the property if they had been ejected or were loitering around the building, especially near the fire exits. It was a favorite ploy to pop those doors so one or more could slip into the venue. I've nailed a couple of them and come close several times. In one instance I was standing near one of those doors when I heard the distinctive sound of the door being popped open by hitting the bar across it to open the latch. I turned just in time to lurch at a guy coming in from outside. He spotted me just when I was moving to nail him and turned and ran back out. I chased him out the door and stopped ten feet from the door. I shouted after him to keep going and don't come back and noticed a group of several hanging around nearby. I summarily ordered them to leave the area and they did. We had authority over that public way near the premises for just this reason, to keep away potential sneak-ins. At another venue (which was on a 2nd floor) I caught three guys trying to scale the fire escape and sneak in. I made one of them walk the plank so to speak on the fire escape. You know, it's the kind that drops down when you walk out on it and then pops back up after you step off. It was big enough to accomodate two abreast walking down it to escape the building. He kept looking back at me every time he took a few steps toward the wild blue younder and I told him, "Keep going." It was funny as shit, and a couple of guys on the crew who were outside for a smoke break caught the whole show. ;0)
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
And here is one last snipet that sums up my own questions (see posts by "koed"): http://cyberina.livejournal.com/518280.html?thread=1612168#t1612168 [...snip...] Yes, but the cop has training in restraining violent suspects, and how to do so without turning them into a bloody mess in the process. They also have training in how to approach and talk to people to keep a situation from escalating to violence. She was co-operating at first. People do not go from co-operative to violently confrontational without a trigger. Why did it become violent? Was he inappropriate during the pat-down? What did the cop do, or fail to do, that caused a simple ticket for a misdemeoner offense (skating on the sidewalk) become an incident? No police department wants the kond of press that comes from an incident like this. As for plausablity, he is still using a non-sanctioned restraining hold with the knee to the neck (considered by most PDs as too likely to cause permenant neck injury and potentially block the airway. Thus getting said PD sued). What else did he do wrong? (The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)
The knee on the neck is what really ticked me off and shows that this cop is a brute. That is completely unacceptable.
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
If the red-jacketed guy is club security, any idea what that stick is he's holding? It looks more like the handle of a small flag of some sort, like for waving at a parade. It seems too thin to make for an effective baton (albeit homemade), and too thin and too long to be the business end of a homemade nunchaku (albeit illegal). I dunno.
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I'd say it looks like the skinny end of a cue stick. They get broken all the time in the bars that have pool tables. I've seen where club security takes them and makes batons out of them. A short skinny stick like that is very effective to disable anyone who approaches with intent to do you harm, if you know how to use it. My mini-MagLight was used to poke and prod (one jab in the solar plexus made them hit the ground quick as it was painful to say the least) on occasion and it had a lanyard so you could never lose it. That also made it a deadly weapon, so anyone who would protest about the big C or D cell flashlights was just making noise to hear themselves talk. I carried my D cell light for many years at the concerts and it was a very effective tool for crowd control.
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Ooooh! Steel Cage Celebrity Death Match - No Way Out Smack Down - Revenge! (The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)
Jethro is still spreading his lies and conspiracy theories, I see... Sorry, Jethro, but I have am not the "richard" who posted on this thread that you seem to despise so much. I have only posted as Feynman Lives! on this site, and did not know about this place when your little zealot was posting. More to the point, I don't give a damn about this case, nor do I know much about it outside of what the media said about it originally; so... I know it is hard for you to accept, but you got the wrong guy. Of course, this wont stop you from continuing your unfounded attacks on me, but I thought it would help the others to know the truth. It is ironic that this thread is about what you call a brutal cop clearly using excessive force inappropriately, and here you are doing essentially the same thing, except you aren't a cop. Most curious...
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman No where near as ironic as your protestations that you don't give a damn about this case, and here you are caring about essentially the same cop, except you aren't Richard. Most curious...
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Starwind, Wow, you really don't get it. I am NOT hear caring about the cop or the chick in this case. I don't know if the cop was good or bad or if the chick was sober or violent. I have NO idea what really went down there, but it is amusing as hell to watch you all try. I am certian that whatever the outcome, the paper will make a big deal of it. The reason I posted was to let Jethro know that his assertion was incorrect.
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman No, you really don't get it. If you'd been honest in your other postings you might be believable, but all you've done (demonstrably) is insult and lie. If it looks like a "Richard", lies like a "Richard", insults like a "Richard" - voila' it's a "Richard" There is no reason to believe anything you claim.
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You are free to believe what you will, Starwind, it is clear from your other postings that you are not one to be swayed by facts. I was simply letting Jethro know that he was incorrect in his presumtion.
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman LOL - those facts convicted you of lying here and here You have no credibility. You're in no position to correct anyone.
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Convicted me of lying? WOW you have a very unique definition of lying. You "convicted" me of absolutely nothing on either of those threads. Also, being as how this thread is about an incident in Dallas, and not about your twisted obsessions, this will be my last post on this tread regarding your delusions about me. I made my comment in an effort to inform Jethro he was mistaken and you have very rudely tried to derail this thread. I apologize to the people who are following this tread, I apologize for the rude actions of Jethro and Starwind, as well as for myself, for enaging with them and trying to correct their errors here. This should have been handled in Email, not on this thread. While they may continue to be rude and keep posting about their misguided witchhunt here, I shall not. If I comment on this thread again, it will be to comment on the TOPIC of the thread. Again, I apologize for the disruption that these irresponsible men have caused, and for my participation in trying to correct it.
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." ----Richard Feynman BS, you lying sack of shit. Isn’t it curious that anyone who knew Richard, and now you, agrees with me? Keep spewing. Michelle couldn’t have a better “eye witness” than you.
LOL! Didn't you call me Hitler, you weasel mother fucker? I'd love to see you do that to my face.
umm, Gentlemen, please! there are ladies present :) (great posts btw - specially the insults lol) please remember to distribute those pictures of Michelle and Officer Gordon where possible on the Net, and if you can help as a witness or want to contribute to her legal costs, please visit http://www.helpmichelle.org/ thanks :) ruthie XXXXXX (who would love to be a lady if somebody would teach her how!)
That would be an unexpected pleasure. Seeing as we are likey 400+ miles apart, I suppose the first place to start would be HERE. I found out unexpectedly that I possessed some of these qualities years ago when I was dating a woman and we were having a home cooked meal. I set the table the way I've always done under circumstances beyond casual. She piped right in that I knew how to make the place settings with silverware and all. Guess some of this stuff comes naturally to some of us, but the big problem is I haven't got to express that side of me in many years. I love opening the door and pulling out the chair and all sorts of those things. I can even control my language and temper as the situation demands. But then I'm sure you have an idea that a lady can be very much a lady in public, but a tiger of a woman behind closed doors. ;0)
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Oh boy! A fund raiser. Now there's a surpise. LOL Richard W.
"Richard"? is that really you, dear? how lovely - i was beginning to miss you :) i'm flattered to be called a fundraiser and i hope you'll contribute to see Michelle defend herself. after all, that way you might have the chance to present your unbiased, impartial and irrefutably accurate evidence to the benefit of justice (err did i get that right? i'm using an old dictionary!) huggggggggggggggggs your fan ruthie XXXXXX
No, ruthie. "Arete" is not the poster "Richard" earlier in this thread. Arete merely signs his posts 'Richard W.'. That has been his signature for the many years I've known Arete on several forums. Arete holds his opinions legitimately and honestly, unlike "Richard" or "Feynman Lives!".
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#786. To: ruthie (#785)
#787. To: ruthie (#786)
#788. To: ruthie, Jethro Tull, BTP Holdings, Elliott Jackalope, tom007, markm0722 (#785)
more pics of those ears
#789. To: All (#788)
#790. To: Starwind (#789)
Nope. This definitely is not your father's roller derby.
#791. To: BTP Holdings (#790)
Michelle wouldn't stand a chance paired up against Joanie.
#792. To: Starwind (#791)
Agreed, but then neither would Officer Gordon
#793. To: ruthie (#792)
Richard
#794. To: Jethro Tull, ruthie (#793)
He now posts here as Feynman Lives!
#795. To: tom007, Dick (#794)
Much to the real Feynman's embarresment.
#796. To: All (#788)
#797. To: Starwind (#788)
I'm beginning to grasp the popularity of this sport.
#798. To: Starwind, BTP Holdings, ruthie, Jethro Tull (#789)
#799. To: christine (#798)
heck with the ears, you gotta love the garters and stockings. :P
#800. To: Starwind (#791)
Agreed, but then neither would Officer Gordon.
#801. To: ruthie (#792)
LOL!!! what a picture that conjures! maybe they could do a charity match between ACD and the Police with "Richard" as the referee of course? ;)
#802. To: All (#796)
Well. I'm not sure what quite has happened, but there are some observations to be made. The photos, although incomplete are still pretty damning (especially if it happens to go before a jury).
#803. To: christine (#798)
heck with the ears, you gotta love the garters and stockings. :P
#804. To: Starwind (#799)
Golly. And here I thought ruthie mistyped "more pics of rears"
#805. To: Starwind (#802)
I wondered who this 'seemingly sanctioned' person was. Maybe he is "club" security?
#806. To: Starwind (#802)
I wondered who this 'seemingly sanctioned' person was. Maybe he is "club" security?
#807. To: All (#802)
Look again at the first photo. She is co-operating and just waiting. She has a toe-down to stabilize herself. A normal pat-down at this point wouldn't put an experienced skater on the concrete, or even on the hood of the car. So what did happen. Did she attack the cop? Why? She seems resigned to her ticket in photo #1. What would prompt her to escalate to assaulting an officer?
If it's plausable for the cop to go apeshit on her for no reason, is it not also plausable for the situation to be reversed? Just hypothetically.
#808. To: Starwind (#807)
non-sanctioned restraining hold with the knee to the neck
#809. To: BTP Holdings, Jethro Tull (#806)
#810. To: Starwind (#809)
any idea what that stick is he's holding?
#811. To: ruthie (#792)
a charity match between ACD and the Police
I'm there!
#812. To: Jethro Tull (#793)
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#813. To: Feynman Lives!, Jethro Tull (#812)
It is ironic that this thread is about what you call a brutal cop clearly using excessive force inappropriately, and here you are doing essentially the same thing, except you aren't a cop. Most curious...
#814. To: Starwind (#813)
No where near as ironic as your protestations that you don't give a damn about this case, and here you are caring about essentially the same cop, except you aren't Richard. Most curious...
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#815. To: Feynman Lives! (#814)
The reason I posted was to let Jethro know that his assertion was incorrect.
#816. To: Starwind (#815)
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#817. To: Feynman Lives! (#816)
You are free to believe what you will, Starwind, it is clear from your other postings that you are not one to be swayed by facts.
I was simply letting Jethro know that he was incorrect in his presumtion.
#818. To: Starwind (#817)
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." ----1796 Treaty of Tripoli — initiated by George Washington and signed into law by John Adams
#819. To: Feynman Lives! (#812)
Sorry, Jethro, but I have am not the "richard"
#820. To: Feynman Lives! (#818)
I apologize for the rude actions of Jethro and Starwind
#821. To: ALL (#820)
#822. To: ruthie (#821)
(who would love to be a lady if somebody would teach her how!)
#823. To: ruthie (#771)
Michelle is very grateful for the kind words of encouragement and any practical help would be appreciated :)
#824. To: Arete (#823)
Richard W.
#825. To: ruthie, Arete (#824)
"Richard"? is that really you, dear? how lovely - i was beginning to miss you :)
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