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Title: (Dallas) Police Deny Excessive Force In Bloody Arrest (black cop, white girl)
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URL Source: http://www.nbc5i.com/news/6158812/detail.html
Published: Jan 16, 2006
Author: NBC5
Post Date: 2006-01-16 20:18:09 by BTP Holdings
Keywords: Excessive, (Dallas), Police
Views: 15223
Comments: 855
POSTED: 5:16 pm CST January 16, 2006
DALLAS -- E-mails and pictures circulating the Internet tell the tale of a Dallas woman's bloody run-in with police after a roller-skating outing escalated into an arrest with excessive force, but officers and some witnesses Monday told a different story.
The incident happened early Saturday morning in Deep Ellum after police attempted to speak with Michelle Metzinger, 25, who, according to a police report, was intoxicated and weaving through traffic on roller skates.
Images: The Arrest & Other Slideshows
The pictures that stemmed from the events that followed are dramatic. They show an officer arresting Metzinger. Her face is covered in blood and there is a puddle of blood on the sidewalk.
"Very excessive. Uncalled for, you know. We're talking about a 250-pound guy and a 100-pound girl. It was just over the top," witness "D.C." said. "All I saw were her feet in the air and disappearing behind a cop car."
However, Dallas police and other witnesses tell a totally different story.
They said Metzinger was drunk and that she not only ignored officers who asked her to stop skating in the street, but also shouted profanities.
According to reports, an officer then tried to arrest Metzinger for public intoxication.
She resisted and attacked the officer, Lt. Rick Watson said.
"The officer attempted to turn her around, at which time the suspect then reached up and grabbed the officer's -- right part of his face -- trying to gouge the officer's eye," Watson said.
Despite the interest that the story has generated online and in the media, Metzinger said she would not comment on the incident until she had consulted with a lawyer.
Metzinger also had not filed a complaint report, so Dallas police were not conducting an internal investigation.
When I worked concert security and someone got bloodied, it was always proper for us to "get our stories straight." Or, as Eddie Murphy said in that movie, "You were lying your asses off." That LT is a lying piece of shit and so is the black cop who LIED in his report.
I'll tell you one thing for certain, this bastard needs to be caught and given a damn hard ball-batting. And then a WHITE magic marker taken to his forehead and the words BAD COP inscribed thereon. What was done was brutal, inexcusable and unjustified.
Police Deny Excessive Force In Bloody Arrest
Dramatic Pictures, Rumors Circulate Online
UPDATED: 6:11 pm CST January 16, 2006
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Pictures taken by a witness clearly show the cops are LIARS!
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#101. To: Elliott Jackalope (#98)
Elliot, You got one right! Picking fights with cops IS indeed just stupid! Well done! You CAN learn! I am excited for you. Not sure what you mean by "mindlessly obeying cops" in this instance... she was warned, and after being warned she chose to break the law again.
Once again, reductio ad absurdum. Here's the deal, at no point did I make the absolute statement "no victim, no crime". However, I did state that once you accept the idea of victimless crimes, then the door has opened to an endless escalation of laws and supposed "crimes" that eventually results in de facto tyranny. That is a door that is better kept closed, because once opened it is rather hard to close again. My concern is that there are so many laws on the books now that for all intents and purposes the police have become mere tyrants, able to arrest and punish anyone anytime whenever they feel like it. This is a bad thing. Once upon a time this country believed in certain ideals, such as "it is better to let ten guilty men go free than to imprison one innocent man". Sadly those ideals have gone the way of the dodo bird, largely because of people such as yourself who are willing to mindlessly obey those in positions of authority. Since you really cannot defend said argument as stated, you resort to hyperbole and reductio ad absurdum arguments in an attempt to make your point. It is to the credit of everyone else on this forum that nobody else here is buying it.
#102. To: Richard, All (#100)
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#103. To: Richard (#47)
If you are trying to say that it is "ok" for her to take a swing at a police officer, then you lose from the start. I never said this, nor implied it. (Though it is lawful to resist and unlawful arrest, so there are some circumstances when it's okay).
BTW: I have a better name for the software .... Microsoft Internet Exploder.
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#104. To: Richard (#88)
Tell her to leave my dog alone.
As for having sex with my daughter..
Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?
#105. To: Elliott Jackalope (#102)
Elliot, It is clear you don't work in the law or you would not have said "Once upon a time this country believed in certain ideals, such as "it is better to let ten guilty men go free than to imprison one innocent man". Sadly those ideals have gone the way of the dodo bird, largely because of people such as yourself who are willing to mindlessly obey those in positions of authority." You still have not stated how people (myself included) "Mindlessly Obey" authority. When am I mindlessly obeying? Is it when I choose not to get drunk off my ass and go rollerskating in the middle of a busy street? Is it when I stop rollerskating in the middle of the street because an officer told me it was illegal? Is it when I choose NOT to attack a police officer? Which argument can I not defend, Elliot? Do tell.
#106. To: Richard (#49)
Not necessarily true. People have been shot dead by police for no good cause, and the homes of innocents raided in the night and so forth. You can't tell me all cops are good cops. Plainly they are not. Some are good and some are bad. Same is true for people in all walks of life.
Your stepfather was right, if you are not doing anything wrong, then you don't have anything to worry about.
BTW: I have a better name for the software .... Microsoft Internet Exploder.
-- George Bonser
#107. To: Neil McIver (#103)
Neil, If you have been arrested by the police, you do not have the right to resist. If you feel your arrest is unlawful, you have the courts sytem as your point of recourse. If you are NOT saying that it is "Ok" for Michelle to attack the police officer, then this entire conversation is moot. The only reason she was taken into custody was because she resisted arrest. Care to try again?
#108. To: Neil McIver (#106)
Neil, I never said all cops are good cops. MOST cops are good cops. There are good and bad people in all walks of life. That does NOT give you the right to resist arrest or to assault a police officer.
#109. To: Flintlock (#104)
Flint, But your dog is so damned sexy, how can she resist?
#110. To: Richard (#56)
Then you are not unbiased in your testimony. You live there and are sick of drunk people being about. Thus, she got what she deserved, not necessarily because of resisting arrest, but (perhaps?) because she was one of those drunk people, and anything done to clean up the town is fine with you.... ?? (I'm asking respectfully.... do you consider yourself a neutral observer in this case?)
What would I possibly stand to gain? The police have my information and I told them I would be happy to testify if needed. Perhaps you think they are paying me? Sorry... I live in Deep Ellum and am sick to death of the drunken idiots that think that "the man" is there to keep them down.
BTW: I have a better name for the software .... Microsoft Internet Exploder.
-- George Bonser
#111. To: Richard (#105)
When am I mindlessly obeying? When someone supports and defends the use of excessive force, then as far as I'm concerned they are mindlessly obeying authority. And yes, as far as I'm concerned that cop used excessive force against that woman. If you took a drunken swing at a cop and were then beat bloody, I'd defend you just as vigorously. Being drunk and stupid does not mean that you are deserving of being beaten bloody, especially nowadays when cops are taught literally dozens of moves that can be used to restrain someone. Perhaps my viewpoint is extreme, but once again I'd rather be extreme in the pursuit of liberty than moderate in the face of tyranny. I'm in favor of justice being meted out in court, not on the streets.
You still have not stated how people (myself included) "Mindlessly Obey" authority.
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#112. To: Richard (#100)
this is one of the problems with goose-steppers. They have a problem with discernment. They would not be goose-steppers but that they cannot see clearly, their minds have become eroded. Please read carefully. I did not say that you were a goose-stepper because you used elliott's concept in a perverted way. You said this, and then you attributed it to me. Poor logic. poor discernment. I said you were a goose-stepper based on your whole post. It is obvious to the casual observer that you are a goose-stepper. Meaning you have a fascist mentality, an glorification of the police and an exaggerated and legalistic glorification of the law and a desire to maliciously punish elements that you can punish via the law and the police. As a matter of fact, I first said you were a goose-stepper in one post, then told you about why having sex with your daughter is not a victimless crime in a following post. Your mind has been degraded that you cannot handle simple logical thought. This happens when you reject god and reject his ways. Goose-steppers normally replace god with government. They worship government instead of god. and thus their minds become deteriorated over time.
How is using Elliot's concept of No Victim No Crime making me a goose stepper?
#113. To: Richard (#61)
Perhaps you should consider leaving the country if you are not willing to respect the laws of this one. There are, in fact, people considering just such a thing.
BTW: I have a better name for the software .... Microsoft Internet Exploder.
-- George Bonser
#114. To: Red Jones (#112)
Well stated, Red. Although I am hostile to religion I do very much believe in God, although I have problems with how God is conceptualized by most people. However, I believe in the concept of "God-given" rights, which is something that I know you also believe strongly in as well. You go Yahweh, I'll go mine, but I'm willing to bet dollars to doughnuts that we'll both meet again somewhere in a better place than this...
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#115. To: Neil McIver (#110)
Neil, Yes, I do consider myself neutral. It was EASY to see what happened. Drunk girl asked to stop skating in the street. She does not stop. She was arrested. She was not pleased with being arrested. She displayed a lot of "attitude." She took swipe at officer. She got put on the ground and handcuffed. Michelle screwed up and paid the price. Pretty simple.
#116. To: Elliott Jackalope (#114)
I appreciate that Elliott. We can argue endlessly on religion as you say. and the bible says that god's the judge, not us. I can't stand a lot of the christians myself, and I am christian (allegedly anyway).
#117. To: Richard (#115)
She got put on the ground and handcuffed. And in the process ended up getting beaten bloody. A little 100 lb girl beaten bloody by a 250 lb cop. Some of us have a problem with that. Apparently you don't, and that is the difference between you and the rest of us on this forum.
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#118. To: Neil McIver (#113)
There are, in fact, people who have already done such a thing. See: Belize, Costa Rica, British Columbia, Switzerland, Chile, and so on...
There are, in fact, people considering just such a thing.
#119. To: Red Jones (#116)
You're a good man, Red. A little stubborn sometimes, but a good man to the core. You got a lot of heart...
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#120. To: Elliott Jackalope (#111)
Elliot, Pull your head out of your ass and stop trying to sensationalize this. SHE WAS NOT BEATEN BLOODY. She resisted arrest, was forced to the ground and placed in handcuffs. She was NOT beaten. Being drunk does not mean that you deserve to get beaten. However, assaulting a police officer would certainly put you in that category, even though, in this case, it did not occur. Your viewpoint does not take into account her actions. A person attacked a police officer and got put on the ground and handcuffed. As a result of their struggling with the police the got a cut on their face from the ground. This was NOT excessive force by ANY stretch of the imagination. He could have used his baton, his mace or his tazer... or even shot her.... but he did not, because THAT would have been excessive force for the situation.
#121. To: Richard (#120)
Gosh, who am I going to believe, you or my lying eyes?
SHE WAS NOT BEATEN BLOODY.
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#122. To: Richard (#88)
Roads are designed to for cars to use a certain way and up to a certain speed. Road engineers know all about this. Driving a car on a road inconsistant with it's design, such as going too fast or straying into the opposite lane, is reckless endangerment. That's when the line is crossed (so to speak). It may be that somewhere, 120 MPH on main street is consistant with it's design. If so, then it's okay to go that fast. But otherwise, the victims are the locals who are put at unreasonable risk by the excessive speed. Uhhh... the bank owner? Customers with deposits you steal? Perhaps you think stealing money from someone doesn't hurt them. If so, would you mind if I steal $50,000 from you? I promise it won't hurt. Many of the 20,000 unconstitutional gun laws say you're wrong. (as an aside).
Driving Drunk has NO VICTIM as long as I don't hit anyone or cause an accident.
Driving fast has NO VICTIM as long as I don't hit anyone or cause an accident.
If I rob a bank and don't harm anyone, there is NO VICTIM.
Simply holding a gun is not a crime, nor should it be. If I don't fire it... it is just something in my hand.
BTW: I have a better name for the software .... Microsoft Internet Exploder.
-- George Bonser
#123. To: Red Jones (#112)
Red, Wow, you really paint with a broad brush. I have no desire to maliciously punish ANYONE. I do believe that there are laws on the books, and there are people in place to enforce those laws. Those people should be listened to, and should not be attacked. Those who choose to attack the police are in effect, attacking the law. The law was created by society, so they are attacking society as well. Apparently you and your Boogeyman have a lot of room for people to disrespect the law... But wait... not according to your god.... your god also says that homosexuals should be killed and that I can sell my daughter into slavery, and that all football players should be killed for touching pigskin. Your god is a deep thinker...
#124. To: Elliott Jackalope (#117)
Elliot, A 100lb girl who was NOT BEATEN BLOODY. She was ASSAULTING A POLICE OFFICER and was taken to the ground. She was not BEATEN in any way. You were NOT there. I WAS. I saw what happened and what both parties did. She was fighting with a cop and got subdued. The pictures simply show the result of her fighting with the police. Are you now advocating that anyone who is a woman weighing less than the arresting officer be allowed to attack that police officer? Her weight does not come into play here.
#125. To: Elliott Jackalope (#121)
Elliot I was THERE. I know the actions surrounding those photos. You were not there. You just see pictures but don't know what happened.
#126. To: Richard, christine (#93)
This is the common notion that people use to disregard general libertarian thinking that people should be free to do what they want as long as they hurt no one. "What about children?" I agree that libertarians who believe children/minors should have full right to choose their own destinies in all matters of life are wrong, though I don't know any who say that. That right applies only to adults. As a libertarian, I believe children/minors need to be bound from such decisions until they reach the age of consent.
Elliot asserted that because there was no "victim" to Michelle's actions, that this should not have happened in the first place. He is proposing a "No Victim, No Crime" system of law.
According to that law, if my daughter wants to have sex with me, then I should be free to do so.
BTW: I have a better name for the software .... Microsoft Internet Exploder.
-- George Bonser
#127. To: Neil McIver (#122)
If I am driving fast or drunk, and no one gets hurt, there is no victim. Show me the victim. If I walk into a bank, point my handgun at the teller and ask for $50,000, and she kindly gives it to me with out my having to discharge my firearm, then there is no victim. She gave me the money willingly. Any supposed "threat" was imagined because I did not harm her. The bank has the money insured, so they are not victims. The insurance company gets paid premiums for exactly these kinds of occurances, so they are not victims. If I rob a bank and don't harm anyone... according to Elliot... I have not committed a crime. We are not looking at the existing laws, Neil.... We are looking at the world thru ELLIOT'S eyes.... Neil,
#128. To: Neil McIver (#126)
The "age of consent" varies in cultures from 12 to 18.
#129. To: Elliott Jackalope (#121)
Elliot, All your pictures show is the police arresting a woman who happens to be bleeding. I see no evidence of police brutality in those photos. A woman who is bleeding is sitting on the ground, and being handcuffed in one photo.
#130. To: Richard (#125)
You just see pictures but don't know what happened. You're right, I wasn't there and I didn't see what happened first hand, all I have to go with is the pictures. But you have to admit that these pictures look bad. You asserted that she was not beaten bloody, well, from what I can see of the pictures it sure looks like she was. That's not makeup spilled on the ground..
You were not there.
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#131. To: Richard (#107)
If it's an unlawful arrest, then the officer is not acting as a police officer but merely as his own person under color of law. It *IS* lawful to resist an unlawful arrest, and there has been at least one case where the courts agreed. Granted, courts won't decide until well after the fact whether the arrest was lawful or not, so the consciencious resister does take the chance of a favorable outcome upon choosing to resist. True, but it's not the only course open. And circumstances may well make resisting arrest the preferred moral response, such as to take immediate action to save a life that the police will not save for whatever reason. For the second time, I did not say this, nor did I imply it. After you....
If you have been arrested by the police, you do not have the right to resist.
If you feel your arrest is unlawful, you have the courts sytem as your point of recourse.
If you are NOT saying that it is "Ok" for Michelle to attack the police officer, then this entire conversation is moot. The only reason she was taken into custody was because she resisted arrest.
Care to try again?
BTW: I have a better name for the software .... Microsoft Internet Exploder.
-- George Bonser
#132. To: Elliott Jackalope (#130)
Elliot, You are being reactionary again... Accoring to the PICTURES... there is no evidence that she was beaten at all. She may have simply fallen. There is nothing in those photos to suggest that the police caused her injuries.
#133. To: Richard (#115)
You may well be a witness as you say, but you lose credibility by saying you are sick of drunk people on your street, and yet claim to be unbiased in this incident. I consider everything you said after this statement to be hogwash, whether it's accurate or not. If you do get to the witness stand, you can bet the girl's attorney will be questioning your credibility as an unbiased witness before the jury, and rightly so.
Yes, I do consider myself neutral.
BTW: I have a better name for the software .... Microsoft Internet Exploder.
-- George Bonser
#134. To: Richard (#132)
There are also statements by witnesses who claim to have seen excessive force. Here's the bottom line: This looks bad. Now, if we all lived in Mayberry and knew that good ol' Sheriff Andy and deputy Barney were on the job, we'd all be more inclined to give the police the benefit of the doubt. However, we live in the USA of 2005, a place populated by fear-biting cops who hand out 10k DUI citations to people who had one drink, who practice "testalying" and who have largely turned themselves into black-clad robocops who shoot first and ask questions later. Being as this is the ugly reality of our times, don't be surprised when incidents like this result in a whole lot of pissed off citizens screaming for cop heads on a platter. That's what one gets when one's profession becomes taken over by fear-biting robocops.
"Very excessive. Uncalled for, you know. We're talking about a 250-pound guy and a 100-pound girl. It was just over the top," witness "D.C." said. "All I saw were her feet in the air and disappearing behind a cop car."
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#135. To: who knows what evil (#118)
Quite a few, in fact. I remember watching cspan some 10 years ago and it was a hearing before a congressional committee where IRS guys were essentially lobbying for an increase in penalties for people who expatriated to avoid taxes. Apparently they figured these guys should get some kind of expatriation tax. I thought perhaps putting up a wall & barbed wire fence and machine-gunned guard towers around the USA would be a good way to keep people IN who wanted to leave. Hey, one form of coersion is as good as another, right? So much for "if you don't like this country, why don't you leave?"
There are, in fact, people who have already done such a thing. See: Belize, Costa Rica, British Columbia, Switzerland, Chile, and so on...
BTW: I have a better name for the software .... Microsoft Internet Exploder.
-- George Bonser
#136. To: Neil McIver (#131)
Neil, Let me be more clear for you. WHAT NOT TO DO IF ARRESTED Any law enforcement officer such as a policeman, sheriff, deputy sheriff or state trooper can make a lawful arrest. The arrest may be made with a warrant or, under certain circumstances, without a warrant. Do not resist a law enforcement officer who attempts to arrest you - even if you are innocent. The fact that you are innocent will not make the arrest illegal if the officer’s action conformed to the requirements of a legal arrest as stated above. If the arrest is legal and you resist, you may be guilty of the crime of resisting lawful arrest. If the arrest is illegal, you are entitled to bring an action against the law enforcement officer for false arrest. Do not resist a law officer’s attempt to search or "frisk" you. It is legal for an arresting officer to search your person and the area in your immediate presence. Even if he does not arrest you, an officer - after identifying himself - may stop you in any public place if he has reason to believe that you have committed, are committing or are about to commit a crime. He may demand your name and address and an explanation of your actions. If he reasonably suspects that he or another is in danger of being attacked, he may search you for weapons. Now... Getting back to the matter at hand... We can clearly see where Michelle screwed up and got herself promoted from "Simple Citation" to "Arrested and Jailed."
#137. To: Elliott Jackalope (#134)
Elliot, So, now that you have conceded that Michelle was in the wrong, now you go with IT LOOKS BAD? Tough. She broke the law. If she had been hit by a car after the police had warned her against skating in the streets, you would be first in line asking for the cops who DIDN'T stop her to be fired. If you fear your safety in this city so much, perhaps you should move.
#138. To: Richard (#137)
I have had no problem with the idea that she was in the wrong, my problem is with her being beaten in the streets by a cop. As far as the whole "she broke the law" argument, hell, that can be applied to everybody in this country. There are so many things "against the law" nowadays that everybody is always guilty of something. As far as if she had been hit by a car, my response would have been "tough titty", she gets drunk and rollerskates in traffic, then she's a grown girl and she takes her chances. And no, I don't live in Texas, and I wouldn't live in that state for any reason. I visited there once for about a month twenty years ago, and got my fill of it in that time. Once again, there is a difference between deserving to be arrested and deserving to be beaten. If this girl had instead been a 250 lb guy, we would not be having this discussion. But officer FearBiter decided to smack around a little girl, and now he's all upset because people like me are pissed off about it. Tough. If he can't take the heat, he should get out of the kitchen.
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#139. To: Richard (#136)
WHAT NOT TO DO IF ARRESTED All well and fine. Nonetheless, it is lawful to resist an unlawful arrest.
BTW: I have a better name for the software .... Microsoft Internet Exploder.
-- George Bonser
#140. To: Elliott Jackalope (#138)
Elliot, She broke the law. MORE IMPORTANLTY. She RESISTED ARREST AND ATTACKED A POLICE OFFICER. She was NEVER beaten. NEVER BEATEN. Get it thru your head. I was there. She was wrestled to the ground, and other than cutting her face on the ground while she was struggling, she was not harmed. SHE WAS NOT BEATEN. Being as how YOU were not there and I was, you have no business even suggesting such a thing.
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