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Title: (Dallas) Police Deny Excessive Force In Bloody Arrest (black cop, white girl)
Source: NBC5i.com
URL Source: http://www.nbc5i.com/news/6158812/detail.html
Published: Jan 16, 2006
Author: NBC5
Post Date: 2006-01-16 20:18:09 by BTP Holdings
Keywords: Excessive, (Dallas), Police
Views: 15224
Comments: 855

Police Deny Excessive Force In Bloody Arrest

Dramatic Pictures, Rumors Circulate Online

POSTED: 5:16 pm CST January 16, 2006
UPDATED: 6:11 pm CST January 16, 2006

DALLAS -- E-mails and pictures circulating the Internet tell the tale of a Dallas woman's bloody run-in with police after a roller-skating outing escalated into an arrest with excessive force, but officers and some witnesses Monday told a different story.

The incident happened early Saturday morning in Deep Ellum after police attempted to speak with Michelle Metzinger, 25, who, according to a police report, was intoxicated and weaving through traffic on roller skates.

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Images: The Arrest & Other Slideshows

The pictures that stemmed from the events that followed are dramatic. They show an officer arresting Metzinger. Her face is covered in blood and there is a puddle of blood on the sidewalk.

"Very excessive. Uncalled for, you know. We're talking about a 250-pound guy and a 100-pound girl. It was just over the top," witness "D.C." said. "All I saw were her feet in the air and disappearing behind a cop car."

However, Dallas police and other witnesses tell a totally different story.

They said Metzinger was drunk and that she not only ignored officers who asked her to stop skating in the street, but also shouted profanities.

According to reports, an officer then tried to arrest Metzinger for public intoxication.

She resisted and attacked the officer, Lt. Rick Watson said.

"The officer attempted to turn her around, at which time the suspect then reached up and grabbed the officer's -- right part of his face -- trying to gouge the officer's eye," Watson said.

Despite the interest that the story has generated online and in the media, Metzinger said she would not comment on the incident until she had consulted with a lawyer.

Metzinger also had not filed a complaint report, so Dallas police were not conducting an internal investigation.


Poster Comment: Pictures taken by a witness clearly show the cops are LIARS!

When I worked concert security and someone got bloodied, it was always proper for us to "get our stories straight." Or, as Eddie Murphy said in that movie, "You were lying your asses off." That LT is a lying piece of shit and so is the black cop who LIED in his report.

I'll tell you one thing for certain, this bastard needs to be caught and given a damn hard ball-batting. And then a WHITE magic marker taken to his forehead and the words BAD COP inscribed thereon. What was done was brutal, inexcusable and unjustified.

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#357. To: Richard (#355)

was there, I saw what I saw. You weren't there, you saw nothing.

You were NOT. YOU ARE A PAID SHILL BY THE LAW OFFICE REPRESENTING THE PO THAT COMMITTETED CRIMES AGAINST THE DEFENDENT. YOU ARE INTENDING TO COMMIT A FRAUD UPON THE COURT. THAT IS A SERIOUS OFFENSE., RICHARD.

"Our country is now geared to an arms economy bred in an artificially-induced psychosis of war hysteria and an incessant propaganda of fear." -- General Douglas MacArthur

tom007  posted on  2006-01-20   21:59:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#358. To: tom007 (#356)

Tom,

You are free to jump on your conspiracy bandwagon and ride it all the way into town. I have not been hired by anyone involved with this case in any way, nor am I working in any capacity with this case.

My "pending testimony" won't involve any of the conversation on this thread, just in case you were thinking it would. It would involve what I saw at the scene, nothing more. Surely they would have many witnesses, for the defense and for the prosecution, and there would be many different versions of what occurred... that is IF this ever went to trial, which it wont.

This is a simple slam dunk case, public intoxication, resisting arrest and assaulting an officer. If she gets a decent attorney, she will more than likely plead it down in the next three weeks to the PI and a Disorderly Conduct, pay her fines, and be let go with time served. She will at that point have no shot at a civil case.

Tom, you are forgetting that this "frail little 100 lb girl" is a professional roller derby chick. She fights for a living.

She can't make a convincing argument in civil court that she was just sitting there sober as a church-mouse, minding her own business, and the big bad police came and jumped on her when she had just gotten thru fighting with a dozen other women on rollerskates all night.

Richard  posted on  2006-01-20   22:04:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#359. To: tom007 (#357)

Tom,

You are sadly mistaken.

I was most certainly there. Whether or not you believe me is immaterial. I gave my statement to the officers at the scene, and they believed me, which matters a great deal.

I am not intending to commit any fraud.

Tom, this case will never go to court, she will plead it out as soon as she can.

Sorry, Rumplestiltskien, but you can't change what I saw by screaming... LOL

Richard  posted on  2006-01-20   22:07:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#360. To: Richard (#359)

Sorry, Rumplestiltskien,

Impressive spelling. I am awed.

"Our country is now geared to an arms economy bred in an artificially-induced psychosis of war hysteria and an incessant propaganda of fear." -- General Douglas MacArthur

tom007  posted on  2006-01-20   22:16:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#361. To: Richard (#359)

I gave my statement to the officers at the scene, and they believed me,

They believed you! Now there's a shocker. They need all the help they can get, even if it's from a flawed witness. Yes, this case will weave its way through the system. The sharks smell blood :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-01-20   22:19:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#362. To: Richard (#359)

Tom, this case will never go to court, s Tom, this case will never go to court, she will plead it out as soon as she can

Maybe so. With the Police not contesting the charges, the citizens of Dallas will pay $75000 to close the case, the Law Office will collect 40% of that. Nice scam you seem to be a part of.

Sicko cop beats up girl on skates, you get money for being a shill. Have a good night.

Ever think about carpentry for a living? Most of the carpenters I know are pretty happy people.

"Our country is now geared to an arms economy bred in an artificially-induced psychosis of war hysteria and an incessant propaganda of fear." -- General Douglas MacArthur

tom007  posted on  2006-01-20   22:39:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#363. To: Jethro Tull (#361)

Oh my sad Aqualung, this case will never go to trial.

If you actually were a cop, then you know that as well as I do.

She will plead this out before Valentine's Day and will never be heard from again. She can't make the civil case work. She was barely scratched as a result of her resisting arrest, she was not beaten, no broken bones. Her injuries came as a result of her resisting arrest, and they were trivial.

Sorry, Aqualung, but in this case you are Thick As A Brick. She will plead out as fast as she can and go Skating Away On The Thin Ice Of A New Day.

(high fives to me for the fantastic JT refs)

Richard  posted on  2006-01-20   22:42:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#364. To: tom007 (#362)

Tom,

"Sicko Cop Beats Up Girl???"

Where did this happen?

She was never beaten, Tom. He did not strike her even once.

Hard to make the case for beating her up if she only has a scratch on her face.

Oh, and please show me your evidence for me being a paid shill of someone involved with this case, this should prove most amusing.

You know you have nowhere to stand so you resort to attempting to impune me with your ridiculous and unsupported statements. Just shows that you have nothing of value to add to the discussion.

Oh, and I am a very happy person, I enjoy my life. You are the one who is spouting all the hatred around here, Tom... sounds like life is not to happy in your neighborhood.

Then again, when I see the nonsense you post, I am not surprised that you are just angry and bitter at the world.

Richard  posted on  2006-01-20   22:46:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#365. To: Richard (#364)

She was never beaten, Tom. He did not strike her even once.

Hard to make the case for beating her up if she only has a scratch on her face.

I will let your words stand on their own. That is all that is necessary.

"Our country is now geared to an arms economy bred in an artificially-induced psychosis of war hysteria and an incessant propaganda of fear." -- General Douglas MacArthur

tom007  posted on  2006-01-20   22:51:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#366. To: tom007 (#365)

Tom,

So now you concede that she was, in fact, NOT beaten, and that you are just trying to inflame a situation that you were not present at because of some pictures that you saw and your mistrust of the police.

Good to see.

Richard  posted on  2006-01-20   22:52:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#367. To: Richard (#364)

Oh, and please show me your evidence for me being a paid shill of someone involved with this case, this should prove most amusing.

You know you have nowhere to stand so you resort to attempting to impune me with your ridiculous and unsupported statements. Just shows that you have nothing of value to add to the discussion.

Oh, and I am a very happy person, I enjoy my life. You are the one who is spouting all the hatred around here, Tom... sounds like life is not to happy in your neighborhood.

Then again, when I see the nonsense you post, I am not surprised that you are just angry and bitter at the world.

Richard posted on 2006-01-20 22:46:34 ET

No Richard, this is why you are a shill for the state.

"Our country is now geared to an arms economy bred in an artificially-induced psychosis of war hysteria and an incessant propaganda of fear." -- General Douglas MacArthur

tom007  posted on  2006-01-20   22:54:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#368. To: Richard (#366)

Oh, and please show me your evidence for me being a paid shill of someone involved with this case, this should prove most amusing.

You know you have nowhere to stand so you resort to attempting to impune me with your ridiculous and unsupported statements. Just shows that you have nothing of value to add to the discussion.

Oh, and I am a very happy person, I enjoy my life. You are the one who is spouting all the hatred around here, Tom... sounds like life is not to happy in your neighborhood.

Then again, when I see the nonsense you post, I am not surprised that you are just angry and bitter at the world.

Richard posted on 2006-01-20 22:46:34 ET

You are getting a little nutty, pal.

"Our country is now geared to an arms economy bred in an artificially-induced psychosis of war hysteria and an incessant propaganda of fear." -- General Douglas MacArthur

tom007  posted on  2006-01-20   22:56:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#369. To: Richard (#366)

So now you concede that she was, in fact, NOT beaten, and that you are just trying to inflame a situation that you were not present at because of some pictures that you saw and your mistrust of the police.

Ah..., make that Double Nutty, if you please.

"Our country is now geared to an arms economy bred in an artificially-induced psychosis of war hysteria and an incessant propaganda of fear." -- General Douglas MacArthur

tom007  posted on  2006-01-20   22:57:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#370. To: Richard (#363)

Trial? I told you earlier the criminal case is a foregone conclusion. Cops win here. It's about punitive damage at this point. The rules of evidence are different, as you might or might not know. The visual of this kid in court with beef-boy is amusing. The city will pay large to get out of this mess, and beef- boy will be taken off the street and tucked away in the property clerk for the next 10 years.

As It Is Written, So Shall it Be Done.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-01-20   22:59:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#371. To: tom007 (#367)

Tom,

How am I a shill for the state? I am not employed by them nor am I to receive any compensation for relating what I saw to the authorities.

This case will never go to trial, so I don't understand why you are worried about my eye-witness testimony, as it will never be asked of me in court.

YOU are the one who is getting a little nutty, Tom.

Richard  posted on  2006-01-20   23:02:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#372. To: Jethro Tull (#370)

Jethro,

Get a whiff of reality.

She is charged with Public Intoxication, Resisting Arrest and Assaulting a Police Officer.

She pleads to PI and Resisting Arrest so they let her go on the more serious Assualting an Officer charge. Fine.

So now she tries to go to civil court saying that the little scratch she got was excessive force, when she fights for a LIVING and admits she resisted arrest?

ROFLMAO.

Perhaps you were not a very good police officer, Jethro, but those of us in the real world know that she won't try to sing that song, as the band wont play.

The city will pay nothing to get out of this mess, because there IS no mess. Officer Gordon will not be moved off the street, but hopefully Michelle will have learned her lesson about drinking and listening to the police.

Richard  posted on  2006-01-20   23:06:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#373. To: Richard (#366)

om,

So now you concede that she was, in fact, NOT beaten, and that you are just trying to inflame a situation that you were not present at because of some pictures that you saw and your mistrust of the police.

Good to see.

Richard posted on 2006-01-20 22:52:24 ET

Man - you're a real deal case. Hope the check clears - though I don't think the law firm is going the 4um ever again for the corraboration.

Hang the black cop, and hang the white cop that went along with it. That will send a "message" to the rest of the criminals in the LEC to watch out. Or are they your gods on earth?

"Our country is now geared to an arms economy bred in an artificially-induced psychosis of war hysteria and an incessant propaganda of fear." -- General Douglas MacArthur

tom007  posted on  2006-01-20   23:08:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#374. To: tom007 (#369)

She was never beaten, Tom. He did not strike her even once. Hard to make the case for beating her up if she only has a scratch on her face.

I will let your words stand on their own. That is all that is necessary.

You stated that you will let my words stand on their own, you did not refute them.

So you are saying that you agree with them.

She was NOT beaten. She fought with the police and ended up with a scratch on her face. She was never struck, which is a crucial element in a good beating. A scratch on her face from falling to the ground after fighting with the police is not a beating in anyone's book.

Richard  posted on  2006-01-20   23:09:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#375. To: Richard (#371)

This case will never go to trial, so I don't understand why you are worried about my eye-witness testimony, as it will never be asked of me in court.

Please show me, Richard, where I am worried about his, Richard? Thanks in advance Richard. Or do you just make thinks up, Richard?? Richard, are you there?? Or is is spelled Richeared?

"Our country is now geared to an arms economy bred in an artificially-induced psychosis of war hysteria and an incessant propaganda of fear." -- General Douglas MacArthur

tom007  posted on  2006-01-20   23:12:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#376. To: tom007 (#373)

Tom,

Wow, what a careful and measured response you have issued here. Hang two police officers, one for successfully detaining a suspect who resisted arrest, and the other... well, I guess for letting him do it.

I do agree with you, however, that ALL criminals should watch out, or do you advocate people committing crimes? I suppose you would, being as how you are advocating a lynching even though you were not at the scene.

Tom, did you stop taking your medications?

Richard  posted on  2006-01-20   23:12:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#377. To: tom007 (#357)

On 2006-01-20 21:59:42, tom007 wrote:

To: Richard

YOU ARE A PAID SHILL BY THE LAW OFFICE REPRESENTING THE PO THAT COMMITTETED CRIMES AGAINST THE DEFENDENT. YOU ARE INTENDING TO COMMIT A FRAUD UPON THE COURT. THAT IS A SERIOUS OFFENSE., RICHARD.

This is where you displayed your concern over my potential testimony, Tom...

I know it was more than 20 minutes ago, so you more than likely forgot...

You REALLY are not very good at this.

But then again, I am sure you are doing the best that YOU can do. LOL... that makes it even more sad.

Richard  posted on  2006-01-20   23:15:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#378. To: Richard (#374)

So you are saying that you agree with them.

She was NOT beaten. She fought with the police and ended up with a scratch on her face. She was never struck, which is a crucial element in a good beating. A scratch on her face from falling to the ground after fighting with the police is not a beating in anyone's book.

GADman have you no shame> O I guess you have already proven that. A "scratch" on the face???????????????????????????

As I am not being paid I am about done with you Richie. Sad that you embrace the chains so eagerly. The girl may have been totally nuts and Mr Big may have been protecting the widows and orphens amoungst us. Your arguments, however, defending the police state actions are repugnent.

Go quietly with your chains around your neck. And give "hosannas " to your masters.

"Our country is now geared to an arms economy bred in an artificially-induced psychosis of war hysteria and an incessant propaganda of fear." -- General Douglas MacArthur

tom007  posted on  2006-01-20   23:19:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#379. To: tom007 (#378)

Tom,

I was THERE, he did not beat her.

You were NOT there, you have no idea what you are talking about.

What EVIDENCE do you have that proves she was BEATEN?

(answer: none, because she was not beaten)

Your constantly saying it does not make it so, sorry to tell you.

Perhaps it IS best that you go quietly into that good night now.

It is clear that you have nothing of value to contribute here.

Richard  posted on  2006-01-20   23:24:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#380. To: Jethro Tull (#370)

Trial? I told you earlier the criminal case is a foregone conclusion. Cops win here. It's about punitive damage at this point. The rules of evidence are different, as you might or might not know. The visual of this kid in court with beef-boy is amusing. The city will pay large to get out of this mess, and beef- boy will be taken off the street and tucked away in the property clerk for the next 10 years.

You're right on with this, JT. But with all the negative publicity for the PD on this so early they have been forced to launch an IAD investigation now instead of 3 or 4 weeks from now. This cop will be lucky if he can get a job in Texas rounding up wetbacks. There is no way he will be allowed to stay in Dallas, especially with SIX complaints in his jacket. I saw the other info that tom007 posted on the other thread. This guy was an accident waiting to happen; a ticking bomb.

I know how it is from my time on the bouncer gig and I know you do as well from NYPD. I know how long it took me to unwind after working a show and being in the thick of the action. I was keyed up. It usually took 2 or 3 hours, six beers and a few shots of tequila to get the edge off.

Here in the county I live in the Sheriff was forced to get rid of 10 of his deputies for "irregularities" which means they were found jobs in other counties in the state. If the "irregularities" are bad enough, that type of transfer would be impossible. This guy in Dallas may not even be able to stay in Texas considering his work record is so impaired. Which department would take on a known liability?

The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-01-20   23:33:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#381. To: Richard (#376)

Tom, did you stop taking your medications?

Richard posted on 2006-01-20 23:12:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

Richard, Thak you so much for this conversation. It has made me think and contemplate upon my, your, and others words and beliefs.

I appreciate your time and efforts.

I also maintain by the remark above, and here I quote it for all to review,

"Tom, did you stop taking your medications? " - Richard-:

That this marks YOU as a man devoid of cognate responses to the discussion. It is, essentially the mark of a man, like you, who can no longer reason, but must use his fists to defend his position. Which usually means the position is ideological and not necessarilly rational.

Do you not agree?? And have I ever called you a "defective" as a counter argument? An apology is, I think, in order. But no offense if not offered. I don't expect it from other that gentleman.

"Our country is now geared to an arms economy bred in an artificially-induced psychosis of war hysteria and an incessant propaganda of fear." -- General Douglas MacArthur

tom007  posted on  2006-01-20   23:38:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#382. To: BTP Holdings (#380)

This cop will be lucky if he can get a job in Texas rounding up wetbacks

Yep. If he can't handle this tiny thing - no matter how she was acting - he doesn't belong on the job. It's scary what the public is beginning to accept. Had this happened in Harlem, with the colors of the actors reversed, 125th St would still be on fire.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-01-20   23:43:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#383. To: BTP Holdings (#380)

BTP,

Officer Gordon has been disciplined three times in his 15 year career.

He only has six complaints? Complaints are NOT convictions or disciplines, you know. ANYONE can make a complaint and it HAS to be filed regarless of how frivolous. Wow, most cops have more than that because EVERYONE files a complaint these days. You need to call your local police force and investigate that one for yourself.

An average of one every 5 years is not a "ticking time bomb waiting to happen." Especially when he is still working on the streets after those incidents.

Oh, and lovely racist comment "rounding up wetbacks" that sure shows us how fair and impartial YOU are. LOL I suppose you don't like it that it was a black officer and a white female suspect. You prolly got all scared that he was trying to take your women!

Richard  posted on  2006-01-20   23:44:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#384. To: Richard (#383)

Oh, and lovely racist comment "rounding up wetbacks" that sure shows us how fair and impartial YOU are. LOL I suppose you don't like it that it was a black officer and a white female suspect. You prolly got all scared that he was trying to take your women!

Richard posted on 2006-01-20 23:44:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

Just wanted to repost your thoughts.

"Our country is now geared to an arms economy bred in an artificially-induced psychosis of war hysteria and an incessant propaganda of fear." -- General Douglas MacArthur

tom007  posted on  2006-01-20   23:51:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#385. To: tom007 (#384)

Oh, and lovely racist comment "rounding up wetbacks" that sure shows us how fair and impartial YOU are. LOL I suppose you don't like it that it was a black officer and a white female suspect. You prolly got all scared that he was trying to take your women!

Richard posted on 2006-01-20 23:44:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

Just wanted to repost your thoughts.

If you didn't I wouldn't have seen it. I've got the statist creep on the filter. That is simple proof he has become desperate and is grasping at straws. Just so happens the wetbacks need rounding up. And that creep buddy cop of his will not be getting the job. ;0)

The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-01-21   0:02:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#386. To: Richard (#383)

I think it's important to know when these complaints were received. IOW, did they all come w/i the last year? You get my drift, now go do the research. Thanks.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-01-21   0:10:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#387. To: Jethro Tull (#382)

If he can't handle this tiny thing - no matter how she was acting - he doesn't belong on the job. It's scary what the public is beginning to accept. Had this happened in Harlem, with the colors of the actors reversed, 125th St would still be on fire.

Oh, it's a fact that there are plenty of methods to use that will not cause the type of injury we saw in those pics. I've given out some good thumpings a few times that I'm sure the drunken idiots couldn't remember the next day why they had a few lumps on them in tender places. As I said above, it's not so difficult to wrap someone up.

I watched a couple of our off duty cops backstage once when one half of a two- man band got out of line and the house production manager told him to clear out after he and his black gay lover (they went into the bus together also) trashed the dressing room.

Some little chick was in the face of one of the cops when the other grabbed the dude by the arm to usher him out the door. You should have seen the little twirp fall down on the floor having a tantrum. The chick went nuts and the first cop gave her a bear hug. End of that situation.

By the time the other cop went to try to pick the dude off the floor I had hold of an arm and leg and had him half way out the door. He said I moved quick for a big guy.

So you see, this Richard is an absolute idiot who doesn't know shit from shinola.

And Harlem is like the projects in Chicago, so I know what you mean there.

The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-01-21   0:19:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#388. To: BTP Holdings (#387)

I did hate dealing with drunks. Totally obnoxious, but usually quite controllable. Especially if you had a partner. I always got a kick out of telling them what they did the following day :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-01-21   0:33:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#389. To: Jethro Tull (#388)

I did hate dealing with drunks. Totally obnoxious, but usually quite controllable. Especially if you had a partner. I always got a kick out of telling them what they did the following day :)

Oh, yeah, they were. I know once in one of the clubs I worked there was a guy at the bar just about passed out. His girlfriend ditched him. I asked if he wanted a cab to go home, so I found out his name and where he lived from his I.D. and called a cab on the house phone.

By the time I called he had gotten up and went into one of the employee stairwells and I found him there when I got back. Then my partner showed up and we picked him up and he said he needed to take a leak so we took him to the head.

While in there he had a bit of trouble doing it so my partner told me to turn on the water in the sinks. That worked like a charm, just as you do with a little kid.

So we took him out to the front door and put him on a bench and I waited for the cab to show. In the meantime, the owner comes along and looks at him near passed out (the drunk was a little guy) and he shoots off his mouth, "What's wrong with him, he have more than two drinks?"

Next thing you know the drunk is up and wanting to fight. I said, "Joe, you better sit back down." And he looks at me and drops his fists and says, "At least you called me by my name." And he just plopped back down on the bench like nothing had happened.

I told that story to the county cop who always came by when it was busy on the weekends to "make an appearance" for the yokels. He was laughing his ass off and was amazed. He told me that is what you need to do with them, that I handled it just right. Now that came from a guy who had about 10 years on the Sheriff's Dept at that time. So I took it as a real compliment.

The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-01-21   0:58:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#390. To: tom007 (#381)

That this marks YOU as a man devoid of cognate responses to the discussion. It is, essentially the mark of a man, like you, who can no longer reason, but must use his fists to defend his position. Which usually means the position is ideological and not necessarilly rational. Do you not agree?? And have I ever called you a "defective" as a counter argument? An apology is, I think, in order. But no offense if not offered. I don't expect it from other that gentleman.

Tom,

From your very FIRST post you attacked me.

You stated that “Richard has no credibility with me.” Even though you yourself were NOT an eye-witness to the event and I was.

Attacking an eye-witness to an event simply because you don’t like what they are saying is not the mark of a man who can reason, Tommy.

Over the course of this thread here are some of the things you have said to or about me:

-You accused me of lying on a number of occasions, while offering no proof of this vile accusation.

-You said several times that I was a paid shill for the government who was lying about what I saw for the money.

You said about me: “I take it that you are either hired or employed by a law office to represent the violent officer, and are "seeding" the false testimoney you plan to present to the court by offering these conversations as evidence of your actually being at the crime site. You a sicko, Richard. Doing it for money.”

You said about me: “YOU ARE A PAID SHILL BY THE LAW OFFICE REPRESENTING THE PO THAT COMMITTETED CRIMES AGAINST THE DEFENDENT. YOU ARE INTENDING TO COMMIT A FRAUD UPON THE COURT. THAT IS A SERIOUS OFFENSE., RICHARD.”

You have called me MANY names, among them:

A federal government boot licker.

Pathetic

A worm

A sicko.

A fruitcake.

Nutty

Double Nutty

SO, while I do agree that you have YET to call me "Defective" as a counter argument, I do NOT feel that any apology is in order, as you have acted in an extremely irrational mode from the outset of your participation in this thread. It is CLEAR that your position is SOLELY ideological and not the least bit rational, Tommy. Now, I do agree with you that an apology IS in order, but I highly doubt that you will show the manhood requisite for you to give it to me. Nice try, Tommy, but you really screwed yourself with this one...

Richard  posted on  2006-01-21   3:11:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#391. To: BTP Holdings (#385)

Just so happens the wetbacks need rounding up.

BTP,

Wow, you are an unabashed and full-blown racist.

Do you have fun at your Klan rallies?

Please, do us a favor and don't breed.

Richard  posted on  2006-01-21   3:14:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#392. To: BTP Holdings (#387)

The “Injuries” you saw in the picture were from a small cut on her cheek that she sustained in the process of resisting arrest and assaulting a police officer.

The reason she has blood smeared on her face is because SHE smeared the blood across her face with her hand.

She was BARELY injured.

Also, note that she has YET to file a complaint.

Richard  posted on  2006-01-21   3:19:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#393. To: Jethro Tull (#386)

Jethro,

I have no idea when the complaints were received. Nor do I care. I highly doubt they all came in the past few years or the news would have reported that data point when they got his files. It is more likely based upon how the media reported it that they all occured in the first years he was on the job, otherwise they would have made a point of telling us.

If you want to know the specifics, I suggest you get off your fat ass and do some looking around yourself.

Richard  posted on  2006-01-21   3:23:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#394. To: Richard (#393)

I have no idea when the complaints were received. Nor do I care.

And that's the problem, you don't care (about the defendant). If these complaints all came recently it would indicate a pattern of abuse that is reaching a dangerous critical mass. If your desire is to look at this event fairly, step back, take a deep breath and gather more information before forming an unwavering opinion.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-01-21   9:23:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#395. To: Richard (#392)

this is from "a small cut to her cheek?"

christine  posted on  2006-01-21   9:46:12 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#396. To: Jethro Tull (#394)

Jethro,

I did not say that I don't care about the defendant.

I saw an officer use appropriate force in a given situation on Saturday.

She was simply restrained and taken to the ground when she resisted arrest and assaulted the police officer.

He did not beat her, he did not mace her, he did not use his baton, he did not taze her. He simply took her to the ground and handcuffed her.

So, his past history does not enter into the equation because he did not display a behavior that would indicate that he was a danger to the community in any way.

As I said, if they were recent, the media would have let us know when they did their research to find out his history. That they did NOT let us know when they occured speaks more the fact that they occured LONG ago.

If you are so concerned, then YOU do the research.

I was at the scene and did not see him do anything out of line given what he faced.

I am looking at this event fairly.

YOU are asking that I engage in a witchhunt.

Richard  posted on  2006-01-21   11:20:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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