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Title: (Dallas) Police Deny Excessive Force In Bloody Arrest (black cop, white girl)
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URL Source: http://www.nbc5i.com/news/6158812/detail.html
Published: Jan 16, 2006
Author: NBC5
Post Date: 2006-01-16 20:18:09 by BTP Holdings
Keywords: Excessive, (Dallas), Police
Views: 14913
Comments: 855
POSTED: 5:16 pm CST January 16, 2006
DALLAS -- E-mails and pictures circulating the Internet tell the tale of a Dallas woman's bloody run-in with police after a roller-skating outing escalated into an arrest with excessive force, but officers and some witnesses Monday told a different story.
The incident happened early Saturday morning in Deep Ellum after police attempted to speak with Michelle Metzinger, 25, who, according to a police report, was intoxicated and weaving through traffic on roller skates.
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The pictures that stemmed from the events that followed are dramatic. They show an officer arresting Metzinger. Her face is covered in blood and there is a puddle of blood on the sidewalk.
"Very excessive. Uncalled for, you know. We're talking about a 250-pound guy and a 100-pound girl. It was just over the top," witness "D.C." said. "All I saw were her feet in the air and disappearing behind a cop car."
However, Dallas police and other witnesses tell a totally different story.
They said Metzinger was drunk and that she not only ignored officers who asked her to stop skating in the street, but also shouted profanities.
According to reports, an officer then tried to arrest Metzinger for public intoxication.
She resisted and attacked the officer, Lt. Rick Watson said.
"The officer attempted to turn her around, at which time the suspect then reached up and grabbed the officer's -- right part of his face -- trying to gouge the officer's eye," Watson said.
Despite the interest that the story has generated online and in the media, Metzinger said she would not comment on the incident until she had consulted with a lawyer.
Metzinger also had not filed a complaint report, so Dallas police were not conducting an internal investigation.
When I worked concert security and someone got bloodied, it was always proper for us to "get our stories straight." Or, as Eddie Murphy said in that movie, "You were lying your asses off." That LT is a lying piece of shit and so is the black cop who LIED in his report.
I'll tell you one thing for certain, this bastard needs to be caught and given a damn hard ball-batting. And then a WHITE magic marker taken to his forehead and the words BAD COP inscribed thereon. What was done was brutal, inexcusable and unjustified.
Police Deny Excessive Force In Bloody Arrest
Dramatic Pictures, Rumors Circulate Online
UPDATED: 6:11 pm CST January 16, 2006
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Pictures taken by a witness clearly show the cops are LIARS!
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#376. To: tom007 (#373)
Wow, what a careful and measured response you have issued here. Hang two police officers, one for successfully detaining a suspect who resisted arrest, and the other... well, I guess for letting him do it. I do agree with you, however, that ALL criminals should watch out, or do you advocate people committing crimes? I suppose you would, being as how you are advocating a lynching even though you were not at the scene. Tom, did you stop taking your medications?
To: Richard YOU ARE A PAID SHILL BY THE LAW OFFICE REPRESENTING THE PO THAT COMMITTETED CRIMES AGAINST THE DEFENDENT. YOU ARE INTENDING TO COMMIT A FRAUD UPON THE COURT. THAT IS A SERIOUS OFFENSE., RICHARD. This is where you displayed your concern over my potential testimony, Tom... I know it was more than 20 minutes ago, so you more than likely forgot... You REALLY are not very good at this. But then again, I am sure you are doing the best that YOU can do. LOL... that makes it even more sad.
She was NOT beaten. She fought with the police and ended up with a scratch on her face. She was never struck, which is a crucial element in a good beating. A scratch on her face from falling to the ground after fighting with the police is not a beating in anyone's book. GADman have you no shame> O I guess you have already proven that. A "scratch" on the face??????????????????????????? As I am not being paid I am about done with you Richie. Sad that you embrace the chains so eagerly. The girl may have been totally nuts and Mr Big may have been protecting the widows and orphens amoungst us. Your arguments, however, defending the police state actions are repugnent. Go quietly with your chains around your neck. And give "hosannas " to your masters.
"Our country is now geared to an arms economy bred in an artificially-induced psychosis of war hysteria and an incessant propaganda of fear." -- General Douglas MacArthur
I was THERE, he did not beat her. You were NOT there, you have no idea what you are talking about. What EVIDENCE do you have that proves she was BEATEN? (answer: none, because she was not beaten) Your constantly saying it does not make it so, sorry to tell you. Perhaps it IS best that you go quietly into that good night now. It is clear that you have nothing of value to contribute here.
You're right on with this, JT. But with all the negative publicity for the PD on this so early they have been forced to launch an IAD investigation now instead of 3 or 4 weeks from now. This cop will be lucky if he can get a job in Texas rounding up wetbacks. There is no way he will be allowed to stay in Dallas, especially with SIX complaints in his jacket. I saw the other info that tom007 posted on the other thread. This guy was an accident waiting to happen; a ticking bomb. I know how it is from my time on the bouncer gig and I know you do as well from NYPD. I know how long it took me to unwind after working a show and being in the thick of the action. I was keyed up. It usually took 2 or 3 hours, six beers and a few shots of tequila to get the edge off. Here in the county I live in the Sheriff was forced to get rid of 10 of his deputies for "irregularities" which means they were found jobs in other counties in the state. If the "irregularities" are bad enough, that type of transfer would be impossible. This guy in Dallas may not even be able to stay in Texas considering his work record is so impaired. Which department would take on a known liability?
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Richard posted on 2006-01-20 23:12:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply Richard, Thak you so much for this conversation. It has made me think and contemplate upon my, your, and others words and beliefs. I appreciate your time and efforts. I also maintain by the remark above, and here I quote it for all to review, "Tom, did you stop taking your medications? " - Richard-: That this marks YOU as a man devoid of cognate responses to the discussion. It is, essentially the mark of a man, like you, who can no longer reason, but must use his fists to defend his position. Which usually means the position is ideological and not necessarilly rational. Do you not agree?? And have I ever called you a "defective" as a counter argument? An apology is, I think, in order. But no offense if not offered. I don't expect it from other that gentleman.
"Our country is now geared to an arms economy bred in an artificially-induced psychosis of war hysteria and an incessant propaganda of fear." -- General Douglas MacArthur
Yep. If he can't handle this tiny thing - no matter how she was acting - he doesn't belong on the job. It's scary what the public is beginning to accept. Had this happened in Harlem, with the colors of the actors reversed, 125th St would still be on fire.
Officer Gordon has been disciplined three times in his 15 year career. He only has six complaints? Complaints are NOT convictions or disciplines, you know. ANYONE can make a complaint and it HAS to be filed regarless of how frivolous. Wow, most cops have more than that because EVERYONE files a complaint these days. You need to call your local police force and investigate that one for yourself. An average of one every 5 years is not a "ticking time bomb waiting to happen." Especially when he is still working on the streets after those incidents. Oh, and lovely racist comment "rounding up wetbacks" that sure shows us how fair and impartial YOU are. LOL I suppose you don't like it that it was a black officer and a white female suspect. You prolly got all scared that he was trying to take your women!
Richard posted on 2006-01-20 23:44:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply Just wanted to repost your thoughts.
"Our country is now geared to an arms economy bred in an artificially-induced psychosis of war hysteria and an incessant propaganda of fear." -- General Douglas MacArthur
Richard posted on 2006-01-20 23:44:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply Just wanted to repost your thoughts. If you didn't I wouldn't have seen it. I've got the statist creep on the filter. That is simple proof he has become desperate and is grasping at straws. Just so happens the wetbacks need rounding up. And that creep buddy cop of his will not be getting the job. ;0)
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
I think it's important to know when these complaints were received. IOW, did they all come w/i the last year? You get my drift, now go do the research. Thanks.
Oh, it's a fact that there are plenty of methods to use that will not cause the type of injury we saw in those pics. I've given out some good thumpings a few times that I'm sure the drunken idiots couldn't remember the next day why they had a few lumps on them in tender places. As I said above, it's not so difficult to wrap someone up. I watched a couple of our off duty cops backstage once when one half of a two- man band got out of line and the house production manager told him to clear out after he and his black gay lover (they went into the bus together also) trashed the dressing room. Some little chick was in the face of one of the cops when the other grabbed the dude by the arm to usher him out the door. You should have seen the little twirp fall down on the floor having a tantrum. The chick went nuts and the first cop gave her a bear hug. End of that situation. By the time the other cop went to try to pick the dude off the floor I had hold of an arm and leg and had him half way out the door. He said I moved quick for a big guy. So you see, this Richard is an absolute idiot who doesn't know shit from shinola. And Harlem is like the projects in Chicago, so I know what you mean there.
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
I did hate dealing with drunks. Totally obnoxious, but usually quite controllable. Especially if you had a partner. I always got a kick out of telling them what they did the following day :)
Oh, yeah, they were. I know once in one of the clubs I worked there was a guy at the bar just about passed out. His girlfriend ditched him. I asked if he wanted a cab to go home, so I found out his name and where he lived from his I.D. and called a cab on the house phone. By the time I called he had gotten up and went into one of the employee stairwells and I found him there when I got back. Then my partner showed up and we picked him up and he said he needed to take a leak so we took him to the head. While in there he had a bit of trouble doing it so my partner told me to turn on the water in the sinks. That worked like a charm, just as you do with a little kid. So we took him out to the front door and put him on a bench and I waited for the cab to show. In the meantime, the owner comes along and looks at him near passed out (the drunk was a little guy) and he shoots off his mouth, "What's wrong with him, he have more than two drinks?" Next thing you know the drunk is up and wanting to fight. I said, "Joe, you better sit back down." And he looks at me and drops his fists and says, "At least you called me by my name." And he just plopped back down on the bench like nothing had happened. I told that story to the county cop who always came by when it was busy on the weekends to "make an appearance" for the yokels. He was laughing his ass off and was amazed. He told me that is what you need to do with them, that I handled it just right. Now that came from a guy who had about 10 years on the Sheriff's Dept at that time. So I took it as a real compliment.
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Tom, From your very FIRST post you attacked me. You stated that “Richard has no credibility with me.” Even though you yourself were NOT an eye-witness to the event and I was. Attacking an eye-witness to an event simply because you don’t like what they are saying is not the mark of a man who can reason, Tommy. Over the course of this thread here are some of the things you have said to or about me: -You accused me of lying on a number of occasions, while offering no proof of this vile accusation. -You said several times that I was a paid shill for the government who was lying about what I saw for the money. You said about me: “I take it that you are either hired or employed by a law office to represent the violent officer, and are "seeding" the false testimoney you plan to present to the court by offering these conversations as evidence of your actually being at the crime site. You a sicko, Richard. Doing it for money.” You said about me: “YOU ARE A PAID SHILL BY THE LAW OFFICE REPRESENTING THE PO THAT COMMITTETED CRIMES AGAINST THE DEFENDENT. YOU ARE INTENDING TO COMMIT A FRAUD UPON THE COURT. THAT IS A SERIOUS OFFENSE., RICHARD.” You have called me MANY names, among them: A federal government boot licker. Pathetic A worm A sicko. A fruitcake. Nutty Double Nutty SO, while I do agree that you have YET to call me "Defective" as a counter argument, I do NOT feel that any apology is in order, as you have acted in an extremely irrational mode from the outset of your participation in this thread. It is CLEAR that your position is SOLELY ideological and not the least bit rational, Tommy. Now, I do agree with you that an apology IS in order, but I highly doubt that you will show the manhood requisite for you to give it to me. Nice try, Tommy, but you really screwed yourself with this one...
BTP, Wow, you are an unabashed and full-blown racist. Do you have fun at your Klan rallies? Please, do us a favor and don't breed.
The “Injuries” you saw in the picture were from a small cut on her cheek that she sustained in the process of resisting arrest and assaulting a police officer. The reason she has blood smeared on her face is because SHE smeared the blood across her face with her hand. She was BARELY injured. Also, note that she has YET to file a complaint.
I have no idea when the complaints were received. Nor do I care. I highly doubt they all came in the past few years or the news would have reported that data point when they got his files. It is more likely based upon how the media reported it that they all occured in the first years he was on the job, otherwise they would have made a point of telling us. If you want to know the specifics, I suggest you get off your fat ass and do some looking around yourself.
And that's the problem, you don't care (about the defendant). If these complaints all came recently it would indicate a pattern of abuse that is reaching a dangerous critical mass. If your desire is to look at this event fairly, step back, take a deep breath and gather more information before forming an unwavering opinion.
this is from "a small cut to her cheek?"
I did not say that I don't care about the defendant. I saw an officer use appropriate force in a given situation on Saturday. She was simply restrained and taken to the ground when she resisted arrest and assaulted the police officer. He did not beat her, he did not mace her, he did not use his baton, he did not taze her. He simply took her to the ground and handcuffed her. So, his past history does not enter into the equation because he did not display a behavior that would indicate that he was a danger to the community in any way. As I said, if they were recent, the media would have let us know when they did their research to find out his history. That they did NOT let us know when they occured speaks more the fact that they occured LONG ago. If you are so concerned, then YOU do the research. I was at the scene and did not see him do anything out of line given what he faced. I am looking at this event fairly. YOU are asking that I engage in a witchhunt.
First off, BOTH parties were bleeding at the scene and had to be treated, so we don't know whose blood this is in the picture. Secondly, the face bleeds enormously from the smallest of cuts. If you had to shave your face, you would know this. Thirdly, I saw her face when the paramedics wiped the blood that she had smeared all over her face with her hand, it was a very small cut. Fourtly, if she had listened to the officer, NOT resisted arrest, and NOT assaulted the officer, then NONE of this blood would have been spilt from either person. That she got a scratch on her face does not indicate in any way that Michelle was innocent or that inappropriate force was used, Christine.
Scroll up this thread. You called her a Yahoo. That
isn't a term of endearment. And about your observations, others on the scene
report the polar opposite from yours. One pic clearly shows the outrage of one
eyewitness. What did she see that you missed? Time will tell as this use of
excessive force weaves its way thru the system.
there's never been one person in the history of the world that cut themselves while shaving and the cut produced the type of blood we saw in the picture.
While I do apprecaite your reactionary approach to the matter. I did not say that she cut herself while shaving. I said that the cut on her face was small. A cut the size of an M&M on your face would produce more than enough blood than was displayed in the picture. That said, once again, we don't know whose blood that is in the photo. BOTH parties were bleeding at the scene and had to be treated. That could be Officer Gordon's blood in that picture. There is no way to determine whose it is from that picture.
Calling someone a Yahoo does not mean that I do not care about them. It speaks solely to my opinion of their frame of mind. I am beginning to doubt if you actually served on the force based upon many of your statements. However, I will not challenge your statement and will take you at your word for now, which is FAR more than any of you have done for me. You stated earlier that eyewitness testimony was the worst kind, but you are more than willing to accept ANY eyewitness testimony other than mine. The outraged eyewitness in the photo next to the policeman is the friend who was skating in the street with her, but stopped when told to. She was also drunk. I can understand that she would be upset if her friend was bleeding. I have never said that I do not care about the defendant or her rights. In this situation, she did not have the right to resist arrest nor the right to assault the police officer. Being as how she did both of those things, I think her only receiving a small cut on her face shows tremendous restraint and use of passive detainment on the part of the officer. She was not beaten, she was not maced, she was not tazered - she was simply taken to the ground and cuffed. As for your feeble wish for this to be excessive force when it clearly was not, note how she STILL has not filed a complaint...
I agree although I'd describe the scratch as a laceration based on the amount of blood on the pavement. I don't see blood on the cop in the photos nor do I see his head and face on the ground. Not that it's a big deal, just a bit confusing for me, but I wondered if you are aware that you're using the Quote box (which is meant to italicize the words of the poster you're replying to) rather than the Comments/Response box?
Christine, I just was using the first text box that appeared. I will use the comments box from here forward, thanks. :) The reason you don't see blood on the police officer is because people did not care to take photos of the police officer at the scene and probably did not care if he was bleeding.
that IS her blood. that's more concrete evidence than an eyewitness account which in many cases has been proven to be inaccurate and unreliable due to biases, imperceptions, and loss of memory as time passes. how many times have you yourself forgotten details of a life's event?
That's plausible.
Good deal Richard. You can assume I was on the job, and I’ll assume you were actually on the scene. About that witness - her friend, as you claim - you stated she was drunk. How do you know and why wasn’t she also arrested for obstructing and public intox? That would be the normal course of these events, from my experience.
This is but one of many studies that have been done on eyewitness
unreliability. U.S.
Navy Study: Eyewitnesses Unreliable Abram Katz , New Haven Register --
Science Editor 06/21/2004 Victims who get a good long look at violent
criminals are unlikely to identify them accurately later, Yale and U.S. Navy
researchers have found. This caveat follows from a unique study of 509
Navy and Marine officers undergoing elite survival training at Fort Bragg,
N.C. Results suggest that police and juries may give eyewitness testimony
too much credibility, said Dr. Charles A. Morgan III, a Yale psychiatrist and
lead author of the study. "Memory in healthy people is not inherently
terribly accurate. There's a substantial amount of error," Morgan said. "Maybe
we should demand more evidence." Authors wrote, "The present data have a
number of implications for law enforcement personnel, mental health
professionals, physicians, attorneys and judges." Mario T. Gaboury,
director of the Crime Victim Study Center at the University of New Haven,
said, "Eyewitness testimony is often inaccurate. I don't think anyone
understood the magnitude of the problem until the past few years."
Previous research has called the reliability of eyewitness accounts into
question. The current study, which was published in the International
Journal of Law and Psychiatry, is unusual in that participants were
educationally, physically and mentally similar and all underwent nearly
identical stressful events, Morgan said. Groups of top officers undergoing
realistic training at Fort Bragg are placed in a mock prisoner of war camp and
subjected to low- and high-stress interrogations by U.S. officers acting as
the "enemy." The 40-minute high-stress session includes the threat of
physical violence and creates stress levels equal to landing on an aircraft
carrier at night for the first time and actual combat. Details of the
training are classified, but the study implies that participants are also "man-
handled." Twenty-four hours after the grueling sessions, the officers
were asked to identify "interrogators" and "guards." They viewed a lineup, a
group of photos and a sequence of photos. Morgan and colleagues found that
in the live lineup 30 percent of the high- stress group made correct
identifications versus 62 percent of the low-stress group. Using
sequential photos the high-stress accuracy rate was 49 percent, while the low-
stress rate rose to 76 percent. The photo-spread method, which is used
by most police departments, yielded even more lopsided results. About 32
percent of the identifications in the high-stress group were correct, while 68
percent were wrong. Around 88 percent of the low-stress group picks were
correct, with a 12 percent error rate. This means that almost seven out of
10 high-stress officers made mistaken identifications. Furthermore, there
was no relationship between the confidence level and accuracy of the memory,
Morgan said. Officers who were absolutely positive that they had selected
the right person were no more likely to be correct than officers who expressed
some doubt. "Unfortunately, that's what people on juries listen to,"
Morgan said. Morgan said high levels of stress hormones such as cortisol
and adrenaline may degrade spatial memory. Norepinephrine, also produced
under stress, apparently interferes with the brain's prefrontal cortex, where
memories are integrated, Morgan said. Morgan said he hopes to measure
hormone levels in trainees under various degrees of stress. John H. Mace,
professor of psychology at the University of New Haven, said many studies have
cast doubt on the accuracy of eyewitness memories. Mace said the Yale
study is important because it apparently corroborates many previous hypotheses
and results. It may be a long time before defense lawyers start to
challenge eyewitness testimony on the basis of the Yale and other memory
studies, Gaboury said. Court rulings typically lag behind scientific
consensus, he said. "We must be cautious. We don't want the pendulum to
swing too far," Gaboury said.
Police to investigate incident involving Deep Ellum skater DALLAS - Dallas police will conduct an internal affairs investigation into a scuffle and the arrest of a woman on roller skates in Deep Ellum. Michelle Metzinger, 25, was arrested Saturday evening by officer Ceaphus Gordon after she was skating in and out of traffic, Lt. Rick Watson said. Gordon told Metzinger to get out of the street, and Metzinger complied before visiting a nearby business, Watson said. The officer followed her in an attempt to identify her, and she became verbally abusive, Watson said. Gordon asked Metzinger to come outside by his patrol car and, once she was there, told her she could not skate in traffic. When Metzinger became verbally abusive a second time, the officer asked her how much she had to drink, and she responded she had had two or three drinks, Watson said. Gordon told Metzinger she was under arrest for public intoxication and to turn around and put her hands behind her back. As Gordon moved around Metzinger she reached up and grabbed the right side of the officer's face "to gouge his eye out," Watson said. "Out of self-defense he took her down," Watson said. "She was scratching him and kicking him with her roller blades." Gordon managed to wrestle Metzinger into handcuffs but not before sustaining lacerations and bruises to his face. Metzinger, who had lacerations on her face, refused treatment on the scene but was taken to an area hospital before being booked into the Lew Sterrett Justice Center on charges of public intoxication and assault on a public servant, Watson said. Police may investigate woman's arrest, scuffle Dallas police may investigate an arrest early Saturday in Deep Ellum that resulted in a scuffle between an officer and an Old East Dallas woman. Michelle Metzinger, 25, was being cited for public intoxication in the 2800 block of Elm Street, where she had been seen roller-skating in traffic. According to a police report, she clawed at the face of Officer Ceaphus Gordon, who then used a defensive maneuver that caused both of them to fall to the pavement. Officer Gordon was treated for scratches and bruises on his chin. Ms. Metzinger refused treatment at the scene but was taken to Parkland Memorial Hospital, where she received stitches. Ms. Metzinger, who could not be reached for comment, also was charged with assault on a peace officer. She was released Sunday morning on $1,500 bail. Photographs of the incident circulated over the weekend, some showing Ms. Metzinger with a bloody face, Officer Gordon pinning her to the ground. Cpl. Donna Hernandez, a Dallas police spokeswoman, said she couldn't comment on the officer's actions. She said an internal investigation could be sparked by a complaint from Ms. Metzinger or a request by the officer's supervisor. "Now seeing how this turned out," she said, "it very well may be looked into regardless." Marissa Alanis So, Richard, you claim as an eyewitness you observed at the scene, paramedics wiped the blood away from Ms. Metzinger and you could see she only had "a very small cut". Yet the police state Ms. Metzinger refused treatment at the scene and at the hospital her very small cut required stitches. How is it that your eyewitness report and that of the police differ? Where was Ms. Metzinger positioned when paramedics wiped her face and where were you standing (and how far away) that you could see paramedics wipe Ms. Metzinger's cut and close enough to see it "was a very small cut"?
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Gag me with a spoon. This cop was way wrong. If a kid can't have a damn drink and roller skate down the block in America, lets all get chipped and dipped today. This would never have happened 15 years ago.
I recall one time about 26 years ago when I was at a meeting in a park district building and while I was leaving to go to my truck there was a bunch of kids horsing around. One of them (maybe 10 years old) ran into the gate of the chain link fence and cut himself below the left eyebrow but above the eyelid. There was a good amount of blood and it was a deep laceration. I took him back inside the building to the washroom and had him wash his face. We dried him off with paper towels and used a couple of them to stop the bleeding. Then one of the other kids brought the first aid kit I always kept in the truck and we put a couple of gauze pads on the cut. At this point and the gauze pads were just used as a compress to keep the bleeding from starting again. He was not covered in blood quite like Michelle in these photos and there certainly was not enough bleeding to cause there to be the amount of blood we see in this incident. In other words, the blood did not run all over his face. It was on his hands but not an awfully enormous amount. The attendant at the front desk managed to contact a relative who knew where the parents were and I drove the kid up to the hospital where his folks met us a few minutes later. The cut only required 5 or 6 stitches. As an aside, I got a cut on my face once from a work related injury. It needed 4 stitches to close and it did not bleed a whole hell of a lot either. I've had cuts on my fingers that bled more than the one on my face.
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Good find, christine. You beat me to it :)
A follow up question regarding your eyewitness testimoney, if you would please. Regarding that very small cut you saw on Ms. Metzinger's face, on which side of her face was that cut?
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well, like I said to Richard, the photographs that we DO see are far more
telling of what occurred than his "eyewitness" and possibly biased account.
that and the fact that this officer has had several prior excessive force
complaints.
Jethro, I do not know if she was or was not cited for obstruction and public intoxication. I did not pay attention to how her situation played out that night. I saw her drinking alcohol that evening, but I did not administer any test as to whether or not she was drunk, I based my assessment on her behavior and movement. Perhaps you should look into what happened to her...
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestTom,
#377. To: tom007 (#357)
On 2006-01-20 21:59:42, tom007 wrote:
#378. To: Richard (#374)
So you are saying that you agree with them.
#379. To: tom007 (#378)
Tom,
#380. To: Jethro Tull (#370)
Trial? I told you earlier the criminal case is a foregone conclusion. Cops win here. It's about punitive damage at this point. The rules of evidence are different, as you might or might not know. The visual of this kid in court with beef-boy is amusing. The city will pay large to get out of this mess, and beef- boy will be taken off the street and tucked away in the property clerk for the next 10 years.
#381. To: Richard (#376)
Tom, did you stop taking your medications?
#382. To: BTP Holdings (#380)
This cop will be lucky if he can get a job in Texas rounding up wetbacks
#383. To: BTP Holdings (#380)
BTP,
#384. To: Richard (#383)
Oh, and lovely racist comment "rounding up wetbacks" that sure shows us how fair and impartial YOU are. LOL I suppose you don't like it that it was a black officer and a white female suspect. You prolly got all scared that he was trying to take your women!
#385. To: tom007 (#384)
Oh, and lovely racist comment "rounding up wetbacks" that sure shows us how fair and impartial YOU are. LOL I suppose you don't like it that it was a black officer and a white female suspect. You prolly got all scared that he was trying to take your women!
#386. To: Richard (#383)
#387. To: Jethro Tull (#382)
If he can't handle this tiny thing - no matter how she was acting - he doesn't belong on the job. It's scary what the public is beginning to accept. Had this happened in Harlem, with the colors of the actors reversed, 125th St would still be on fire.
#388. To: BTP Holdings (#387)
#389. To: Jethro Tull (#388)
I did hate dealing with drunks. Totally obnoxious, but usually quite controllable. Especially if you had a partner. I always got a kick out of telling them what they did the following day :)
#390. To: tom007 (#381)
That this marks YOU as a man devoid of cognate responses to the discussion. It is, essentially the mark of a man, like you, who can no longer reason, but must use his fists to defend his position. Which usually means the position is ideological and not necessarilly rational. Do you not agree?? And have I ever called you a "defective" as a counter argument? An apology is, I think, in order. But no offense if not offered. I don't expect it from other that gentleman.
#391. To: BTP Holdings (#385)
Just so happens the wetbacks need rounding up.
#392. To: BTP Holdings (#387)
#393. To: Jethro Tull (#386)
Jethro,
#394. To: Richard (#393)
I have no idea when the complaints were received. Nor do I care.
#395. To: Richard (#392)
#396. To: Jethro Tull (#394)
Jethro,
#397. To: christine (#395)
Christine,
#398. To: Richard (#396)
I did not say that I don't care about the defendant.
#399. To: Richard (#397)
the face bleeds enormously from the smallest of cuts. If you had to shave your face, you would know this.
#400. To: Red Jones (#399)
Red,
#401. To: Jethro Tull (#398)
Jethro,
#402. To: Richard (#397)
That she got a scratch on her face does not indicate in any way that Michelle was innocent or that inappropriate force was used, Christine.
#403. To: christine (#402)
#404. To: Richard (#401)
#405. To: Richard (#403)
The reason you don't see blood on the police officer is because people did not care to take photos of the police officer at the scene and probably did not care if he was bleeding.
#406. To: Richard (#401)
#407. To: Richard (#403)
#408. To: Richard, Jethro Tull, Tom007, christine (#397)
Thirdly, I saw her face when the paramedics wiped the blood that she had smeared all over her face with her hand, it was a very small cut.
Posted on Wed, Jan. 18, 2006
By MELISSA SANCHEZ
STAR-TELEGRAM STAFF WRITER 05:56 AM CST on Tuesday, January 17, 2006
#409. To: Starwind, Richard (#408)
"Out of self-defense he took her down," Watson said. "She was scratching him and kicking him with her roller blades."
#410. To: christine, Jethro Tull (#402)
I agree although I'd describe the scratch as a laceration based on the amount of blood on the pavement. I don't see blood on the cop in the photos nor do I see his head and face on the ground.
#411. To: christine (#407)
#412. To: Richard (#408)
#413. To: BTP Holdings (#410)
#414. To: Jethro Tull (#406)
#415. To: Has this video been posted yet? (#410)
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