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Title: (Dallas) Police Deny Excessive Force In Bloody Arrest (black cop, white girl)
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NBC5i.com
URL Source: http://www.nbc5i.com/news/6158812/detail.html
Published: Jan 16, 2006
Author: NBC5
Post Date: 2006-01-16 20:18:09 by BTP Holdings
Keywords: Excessive, (Dallas), Police
Views: 15227
Comments: 855
POSTED: 5:16 pm CST January 16, 2006
DALLAS -- E-mails and pictures circulating the Internet tell the tale of a Dallas woman's bloody run-in with police after a roller-skating outing escalated into an arrest with excessive force, but officers and some witnesses Monday told a different story.
The incident happened early Saturday morning in Deep Ellum after police attempted to speak with Michelle Metzinger, 25, who, according to a police report, was intoxicated and weaving through traffic on roller skates.
Images: The Arrest & Other Slideshows
The pictures that stemmed from the events that followed are dramatic. They show an officer arresting Metzinger. Her face is covered in blood and there is a puddle of blood on the sidewalk.
"Very excessive. Uncalled for, you know. We're talking about a 250-pound guy and a 100-pound girl. It was just over the top," witness "D.C." said. "All I saw were her feet in the air and disappearing behind a cop car."
However, Dallas police and other witnesses tell a totally different story.
They said Metzinger was drunk and that she not only ignored officers who asked her to stop skating in the street, but also shouted profanities.
According to reports, an officer then tried to arrest Metzinger for public intoxication.
She resisted and attacked the officer, Lt. Rick Watson said.
"The officer attempted to turn her around, at which time the suspect then reached up and grabbed the officer's -- right part of his face -- trying to gouge the officer's eye," Watson said.
Despite the interest that the story has generated online and in the media, Metzinger said she would not comment on the incident until she had consulted with a lawyer.
Metzinger also had not filed a complaint report, so Dallas police were not conducting an internal investigation.
When I worked concert security and someone got bloodied, it was always proper for us to "get our stories straight." Or, as Eddie Murphy said in that movie, "You were lying your asses off." That LT is a lying piece of shit and so is the black cop who LIED in his report.
I'll tell you one thing for certain, this bastard needs to be caught and given a damn hard ball-batting. And then a WHITE magic marker taken to his forehead and the words BAD COP inscribed thereon. What was done was brutal, inexcusable and unjustified.
Police Deny Excessive Force In Bloody Arrest
Dramatic Pictures, Rumors Circulate Online
UPDATED: 6:11 pm CST January 16, 2006
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Pictures taken by a witness clearly show the cops are LIARS!
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#448. To: Jethro Tull (#442)
I can understand your outrage as a parent, but she is not to win a large settlement in this issue. She will plead down the assault and take the Public Intox and Resisting Arrest. She has no shot in civil court if she admits that she resisted arrest and only has a small cut to show for it. Sorry, even if she is cute and little, it ain't gonna wash when she is admitting that she resisted the officer, which predicated her injuries. She will be lucky if the city picks up her hospital bills, and she will still have to pay for the PI and resisting charges. It is not a winnable case.
Christine, You are one of the only voices of reason, and I apprecaite your comments. I was upset with the coverage I read and saw concerning this incident. When I searched for internet coverage of the event I found this site. I saw a lot of people who were not there who were laboring under some large misconceptions about what happened. As a witness, I told them my side of what happened and have been attacked ad nauseum since then. I apologize if my being put on the defensive has made me snippy. I was actually hoping to find people much like yourself to discuss this matter with in a civil fashion. In my view, this whole incident is a non-issue where a drunk person resisted arrest. I have seen several drunks resist arrest before, and her treatment was NOT severe, savage, excessive, or, for that matter, even that harsh being as how she took a swing at him. Had she just been sitting there minding her own business and the cop snuck up behind her and started pummelling her, I would be on her side. In this case, she resisted, and she got a little cut. Not a big deal. To hear people on this site talking about hanging the officers being a reasonable course of action it makes me angry. This woman resisted being arrested and got hurt as a result. I would have been happier had she simply listened to the officer and followed his instructions peacefully. No, it is not a good thing that her conduct resulted in her being injured, and I can understand how seeing photos of a woman with blood on her face can be disturbing to those of you who did not see how the blood got there in the first place - but it is a consequence of her actions. She made a choice, and it was a poor one. No one is taking that into account here. Thanks for asking.
Tom, Wow, again the fascist reference... how melodramatic... How about simply respecting a person who is charged with upholding the law when they are upholding the law? If a policeman tells you you are under arrest and says to put your hands on the car, or tells you you are under arrest and to put your hands behind your back, you should listen to them... NOT fight them. Respect is listening to the police when they tell you to put your hands on the car. Respect is not resisting arrest when the the police tell you that you are going to jail. Respect is not fighting with a police officer who is attempting to handcuff you. Or is that too much to ask of you, Tom?
BTP, I claim that your professional opinion is invalid because you did not see the incident and are therefore not in a position to comment upon the actions of either party. That I am tired of drunks in Deep Ellum does not make me a liar or a fraud. It speaks simply to the complete lack of respect for authority that is exhibited by people when they are intoxicated. A lack of respect that, on Saturday, resulted in a suspect and a police officer sustaining injuries. Sorry we all can't be racists like you, BTP. Your blatant racism also disqualifies you from giving any sort of valid opinion.
Please give us your version of events of the night in question, with time notations. Since you were there and all...
We've been challenged, and we've risen to those challenges. We've climbed the mighty mountain. I see the valley below, and it's a valley of peace. - W
Do you live in Deep Ellum?
We've been challenged, and we've risen to those challenges. We've climbed the mighty mountain. I see the valley below, and it's a valley of peace. - W
Dakmar, I have given you my accounting, read the thread.
Dakmar, Yes, I do live in Deep Ellum.
Since you are only 36, I have to assume you either bought/leased there once it was already established as a party zone, which makes you popular with your neighbors I'm sure, or maybe you inherited a shoeshine stand from your uncle milkdud or something, who's to say, but if you hate drunks why the fuck do you live in Deep Ellum?
We've been challenged, and we've risen to those challenges. We've climbed the mighty mountain. I see the valley below, and it's a valley of peace. - W
I did, you keep saying you were there, offering no more information than was given in the initial account. It's curious how the parts you don'r remember time up with holes in the police account. Want to argue about what "account" means?
We've been challenged, and we've risen to those challenges. We've climbed the mighty mountain. I see the valley below, and it's a valley of peace. - W
Dakmar, You are free to assume what you please. I do not have to justify anything to you.
The above is what you said, I do not need a condensendingly smug lecture from you about what respect is, Richard. And this violence is the way we "will learn a little respect to the police from this lesson". GAK.
"Our country is now geared to an arms economy bred in an artificially-induced psychosis of war hysteria and an incessant propaganda of fear." -- General Douglas MacArthur
Sure, but people would respect you if you tried.
We've been challenged, and we've risen to those challenges. We've climbed the mighty mountain. I see the valley below, and it's a valley of peace. - W
Dakmar, I have offered information that was not given in the initial account. She resisted arrest when the officer told her she was going to jail, which was not in ANY of the media stories... they want to protray her as a little girl who did nothing wrong. Oh, and the officer did not weigh 250 pounds, and the girl was WELL over 100 pounds, but hey, who among you really cares about the truth. Do you want to know what they were grilling in the tattoo place next to July Alley at the time? Oh, the grill is not in any of the accounts, sorry, I probably should have mentioned it earlier as it is a crucial piece of the situation. I don't have a time stamp of the account because I was not looking at my watch, I was looking at what was happening. There was an arrest in progress and a large angry mob to be aware of. I suppose in that situation, you would be looking at your watch and writing notes carefully in your notebook with regards to the situation that was unfolding and not pay attention to what was happening right in front of you.
Dakmar, It is clear from your actions that you will not respect me in any situation.
Tom, It sounds like you need to learn a great deal of respect for other people, and for authority. Hopefully if you are detained by the police for some reason you will remember this event and not fight with them. I highly doubt it, but hey, I can dream, can't I?
I had some friends lived in Broadripple (Indianapolis' own entertainment district :) You seem like the kind of person would book a hotel room in the castro district so you could bitch about the fags.
We've been challenged, and we've risen to those challenges. We've climbed the mighty mountain. I see the valley below, and it's a valley of peace. - W
That sounds like a threat, honky.
We've been challenged, and we've risen to those challenges. We've climbed the mighty mountain. I see the valley below, and it's a valley of peace. - W
Shit man, you are hilarious. Ever read any Rousseau?
We've been challenged, and we've risen to those challenges. We've climbed the mighty mountain. I see the valley below, and it's a valley of peace. - W
Hopefully if you are detained by the police for some reason you will remember this event and not fight with them. Your assumptions are confused. The PO, with a hundred pound advantage, does this sort of violence to her, and you somehow conclude I have a alot to learn about respect?????? BTW Please save the dreams of me, I find that picture of you dreaming of the police brutalizing me a disturbing glimpse into your twisted world. Here's your hero - "However, it will not be the department's first look into the 15-year Dallas police veteran's actions. Police records show since 1994 there have been at least six allegations of excessive force, physical abuse or assault. Gordon has been disciplined twice for escalating or participating in a disturbance and once for conduct discrediting the department. Also Online Rebecca Lopez reports Stories differ after officer, skater scuffle Many witnesses who saw the latest incident said they have no doubt that Gordon used excessive force Saturday night. One witness called Gordon's actions "a textbook example of unnecessary, excessive force." "He grabbed her again by the hair, flipped her down on the ground and planted a knee on the side of her head and cut her face up on the concrete," said witness Derek Conway". GOOD JOB OFFICER, I REALLY RESPECT YOU NOW. NOW I KNOW WHAT RESPECT IS ALL ABOUT IN RICHARD'S WORLD - FEAR OF VIOLENCE.
"Our country is now geared to an arms economy bred in an artificially-induced psychosis of war hysteria and an incessant propaganda of fear." -- General Douglas MacArthur
Dakmar, Not sure how you read a threat into sound advice. Also, you call me a honky, yet you don't know what race I am. How very racist of you. You and BTP must get along very well in your world of intolerance.
Dakmar, I spend many of my weekends with my friends at the various venues in Deep Ellum. You really have no idea what you are talking about here.
How very racist of you. welcome to pop culture, bitch
We've been challenged, and we've risen to those challenges. We've climbed the mighty mountain. I see the valley below, and it's a valley of peace. - W
How wonderfully racist of you, Dakmar. It is no wonder that you have problems with people being expected to obey the laws of this country.
Makes sense, since you said you live there.
We've been challenged, and we've risen to those challenges. We've climbed the mighty mountain. I see the valley below, and it's a valley of peace. - W
It is no wonder that you have problems with people being expected to obey the laws of this country. What name do you use on FR?
We've been challenged, and we've risen to those challenges. We've climbed the mighty mountain. I see the valley below, and it's a valley of peace. - W
What the hell are you talking about, Dakmar?
I feel like I've dealt with you before, you use so many canned insults and retarded cliches. By FR I meant http://Freerepublic.com, an internet board that caters to people who think drunk skater girls need beat up.
We've been challenged, and we've risen to those challenges. We've climbed the mighty mountain. I see the valley below, and it's a valley of peace. - W
Tell him, Dak, he ain't seen nothing yet. Little does he know all of that PC hogwash about intolerance don't fly around here; only in Richard's World. ;0)
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
That's a no shitter. I've come to expect that from people with stunted intellects.
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Dakmar, She was not beaten up in any sense of the term. The officer did not hit her. He took her to the ground when she resisted arrest and handcuffed her. You do love to try to insert things that did not occur. I have never heard of http://Freerepublic.com, sorry I missed your obscure reference to it.
BTP, You are an unabashed racist, yet you feel that I am intolerant? ROFLMAO!
Had you posted like this from the beginning, you might not have found yourself having to be so much on the defensive. Picture the police officer thinking, "It is not a good thing that she's being injured, but it is a consequence of her actions." Picture the police officer thinking, "She's getting what she deserves." Night and day difference although the pictures of the aftermath might appear the same. If she was getting what she deserved, a device could be created that bloodies faces, judges could use them to inflict punishment, and none of us would have a care in the world. Right? However, the vast majority of people would not be in favor of such a device, claiming it would not be a suitable punishment. I'd be one of them. Nobody deserves to get their face bloodied during an arrest. In a perfect world, nobody gets hurt during an arrest. We don't live in a perfect world though. Things happen. In fact, I would argue only having a bloody face might be a favorable outcome in the real world if you resist. By resisting arrest, you are entering combat with a person who has a gun. How can that possibly be a good plan? If you are able to formulate bad plans and act on them, what else are you capable of? The officer must not only subdue you and keep an eye on any of your friends who might wish to come to your aid, but must also keep control of his gun. That's a very dangerous situation for all involved. Here's a story from 2002 which happened not far from where I live. I'm biased perhaps, as I don't have much sympathy for people who resist arrest. It isn't a game where the police officer must use the same level of force you do to keep it fair. He can't afford to lose. He's armed and you are showing a willingness to fight. When prosperity comes, do not use all of it. - Confucious Mark, Very well said. Thanks!
that was a very interesting story you linked to. You know a lot of people are sick and tired of the police the way the police behave badly and a lot of people who would otherwise want to help the police no longer do as a result. just my opinion.
Richard made it clear that he thought that was the case.
We've been challenged, and we've risen to those challenges. We've climbed the mighty mountain. I see the valley below, and it's a valley of peace. - W
Within a few minutes, Deputy Herzog arrived on the scene and confronted the man, which seemed to agitated him more. As the man fought with Herzog, the officer went for his pepper spray, but the man barely flinched after several sprays to his face, Porter said. The man somehow managed to release Herzog's gun from his holster, and it hit the ground. That's when several bystanders rushed the naked man and tried to overpower him. "But he just blew them off like water on a duck's tail," said Porter. I can tell you right now the perp was probably on PCP. That is the only way he could have done those things which seem to be of superhuman strength, and especially the pepper spray not affecting him. Clearly, the cop was unprepared and did not have any idea about this. I've seen a 98 lb girl high on that shit and it took six of us to hold her down. But, there is a difference between the two incidents and any attempt to compare them or to say the cop in Deep Ellum was in any sort of similar situation is really pushing the envelope. That's just the way I see it.
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
You sure live
in an either, or world. Odd that you’re so dogmatic. I don’t get it.
I never said you weren't there. My point with the observation is that you apparently expect everyone to trust you without question, because "you were there" and as long as you consider yourself unbiased after making the comment about how sick of drunks you are while claiming this girl was one of them, you don't get trust from me. Trust must be earned, and you are far from doing so here on this forum. The world doesn't revolve around you, you know. Again, my first comments on this thread show my attempt to be open minded about the event, but that apparently doesn't matter to you. Sorry, but "fruitcake" is the descriptive word that keeps coming back to me, because of your strange expectation that we would simply accept what you say without question (particularly when comparing your comments with the photos).
BTW: I have a better name for the software .... Microsoft Internet Exploder. Jethro, I find it equally odd that you rely so readily on hearsay to support your theory that this woman would deserve to make even a nickel from her criminal behavior. Perhaps we should all resist arrest and assault the police to make money off the nuisance lawsuits instead of getting regular jobs?
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#449. To: christine (#443)
#450. To: tom007 (#444)
Respect??? That's not what I learned, Richard. I learned alot about you. Respect the pig so he won't beat me like the vicious dog that he is, Richard? That is repect in your twisted world??
#451. To: BTP Holdings (#445)
#452. To: Richard (#451)
#453. To: Richard (#451)
That I am tired of drunks in Deep Ellum does not make me a liar or a fraud.
#454. To: Dakmar (#452)
#455. To: Dakmar (#453)
#456. To: Richard (#455)
Yes, I do live in Deep Ellum.
#457. To: Richard (#454)
I have given you my accounting, read the thread.
#458. To: Dakmar (#456)
#459. To: Richard (#450)
Perhaps you all will learn a little respect the police from this lesson.
#460. To: Richard (#458)
I do not have to justify anything to you.
#461. To: Dakmar (#457)
#462. To: Dakmar (#460)
#463. To: tom007 (#459)
#464. To: Richard (#461)
Oh, and the officer did not weigh 250 pounds, and the girl was WELL over 100 pounds, but hey, who among you really cares about the truth.
#465. To: Richard (#463)
Hopefully if you are detained by the police for some reason you will remember this event and not fight with them.
#466. To: Richard (#463)
It sounds like you need to learn a great deal of respect for other people, and for authority.
#467. To: Richard (#463)
It sounds like you need to learn a great deal of respect for other people, and for authority.
#468. To: Dakmar (#465)
Hopefully if you are detained by the police for some reason you will remember this event and not fight with them. That sounds like a threat, honky.
#469. To: Dakmar (#464)
#470. To: Richard (#468)
Also, you call me a honky, yet you don't know what race I am.
#471. To: Dakmar (#470)
#472. To: Richard (#469)
I spend many of my weekends with my friends at the various venues in Deep Ellum.
#473. To: Richard (#471)
How wonderfully racist of you, Dakmar.
#474. To: Dakmar (#473)
#475. To: Richard (#474)
#476. To: Dakmar, Richard (#465)
That sounds like a threat, honky.
#477. To: Dakmar (#475)
I feel like I've dealt with you before, you use so many canned insults and retarded cliches.
#478. To: Dakmar (#475)
#479. To: BTP Holdings (#476)
#480. To: Richard, christine (#449)
No, it is not a good thing that her conduct resulted in her being injured, and I can understand how seeing photos of a woman with blood on her face can be disturbing to those of you who did not see how the blood got there in the first place - but it is a consequence of her actions.
The nation is prosperous on the whole, but how much prosperity is there in a hole? - Will Rogers
There are 9,000 hedge funds out there. There aren't that many smart people in the world. - Michael Driscoll, a trader at Bear Stearns & Co. in New York
Some days you just want to pull out the Bonehead Stick and beat people senseless. - mirage
#481. To: markm0722 (#480)
#482. To: markm0722 (#480)
#483. To: markm0722, Richard (#480)
Picture the police officer thinking, "She's getting what she deserves."
#484. To: markm0722, All (#480)
As shots rang out, some citizens tried to step in
#485. To: Richard (#448)
It is not a winnable case.
#486. To: Richard (#447)
I emphasize it because people like you consistently try to say that I was not there.
-- George Bonser
#487. To: Jethro Tull (#485)
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