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Title: (Dallas) Police Deny Excessive Force In Bloody Arrest (black cop, white girl)
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URL Source: http://www.nbc5i.com/news/6158812/detail.html
Published: Jan 16, 2006
Author: NBC5
Post Date: 2006-01-16 20:18:09 by BTP Holdings
Keywords: Excessive, (Dallas), Police
Views: 14692
Comments: 855
POSTED: 5:16 pm CST January 16, 2006
DALLAS -- E-mails and pictures circulating the Internet tell the tale of a Dallas woman's bloody run-in with police after a roller-skating outing escalated into an arrest with excessive force, but officers and some witnesses Monday told a different story.
The incident happened early Saturday morning in Deep Ellum after police attempted to speak with Michelle Metzinger, 25, who, according to a police report, was intoxicated and weaving through traffic on roller skates.
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The pictures that stemmed from the events that followed are dramatic. They show an officer arresting Metzinger. Her face is covered in blood and there is a puddle of blood on the sidewalk.
"Very excessive. Uncalled for, you know. We're talking about a 250-pound guy and a 100-pound girl. It was just over the top," witness "D.C." said. "All I saw were her feet in the air and disappearing behind a cop car."
However, Dallas police and other witnesses tell a totally different story.
They said Metzinger was drunk and that she not only ignored officers who asked her to stop skating in the street, but also shouted profanities.
According to reports, an officer then tried to arrest Metzinger for public intoxication.
She resisted and attacked the officer, Lt. Rick Watson said.
"The officer attempted to turn her around, at which time the suspect then reached up and grabbed the officer's -- right part of his face -- trying to gouge the officer's eye," Watson said.
Despite the interest that the story has generated online and in the media, Metzinger said she would not comment on the incident until she had consulted with a lawyer.
Metzinger also had not filed a complaint report, so Dallas police were not conducting an internal investigation.
When I worked concert security and someone got bloodied, it was always proper for us to "get our stories straight." Or, as Eddie Murphy said in that movie, "You were lying your asses off." That LT is a lying piece of shit and so is the black cop who LIED in his report.
I'll tell you one thing for certain, this bastard needs to be caught and given a damn hard ball-batting. And then a WHITE magic marker taken to his forehead and the words BAD COP inscribed thereon. What was done was brutal, inexcusable and unjustified.
Police Deny Excessive Force In Bloody Arrest
Dramatic Pictures, Rumors Circulate Online
UPDATED: 6:11 pm CST January 16, 2006
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Pictures taken by a witness clearly show the cops are LIARS!
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#476. To: Dakmar, Richard (#465)
Tell him, Dak, he ain't seen nothing yet. Little does he know all of that PC hogwash about intolerance don't fly around here; only in Richard's World. ;0)
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
That's a no shitter. I've come to expect that from people with stunted intellects.
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Dakmar, She was not beaten up in any sense of the term. The officer did not hit her. He took her to the ground when she resisted arrest and handcuffed her. You do love to try to insert things that did not occur. I have never heard of http://Freerepublic.com, sorry I missed your obscure reference to it.
BTP, You are an unabashed racist, yet you feel that I am intolerant? ROFLMAO!
Had you posted like this from the beginning, you might not have found yourself having to be so much on the defensive. Picture the police officer thinking, "It is not a good thing that she's being injured, but it is a consequence of her actions." Picture the police officer thinking, "She's getting what she deserves." Night and day difference although the pictures of the aftermath might appear the same. If she was getting what she deserved, a device could be created that bloodies faces, judges could use them to inflict punishment, and none of us would have a care in the world. Right? However, the vast majority of people would not be in favor of such a device, claiming it would not be a suitable punishment. I'd be one of them. Nobody deserves to get their face bloodied during an arrest. In a perfect world, nobody gets hurt during an arrest. We don't live in a perfect world though. Things happen. In fact, I would argue only having a bloody face might be a favorable outcome in the real world if you resist. By resisting arrest, you are entering combat with a person who has a gun. How can that possibly be a good plan? If you are able to formulate bad plans and act on them, what else are you capable of? The officer must not only subdue you and keep an eye on any of your friends who might wish to come to your aid, but must also keep control of his gun. That's a very dangerous situation for all involved. Here's a story from 2002 which happened not far from where I live. I'm biased perhaps, as I don't have much sympathy for people who resist arrest. It isn't a game where the police officer must use the same level of force you do to keep it fair. He can't afford to lose. He's armed and you are showing a willingness to fight. When prosperity comes, do not use all of it. - Confucious Mark, Very well said. Thanks!
that was a very interesting story you linked to. You know a lot of people are sick and tired of the police the way the police behave badly and a lot of people who would otherwise want to help the police no longer do as a result. just my opinion.
Richard made it clear that he thought that was the case.
We've been challenged, and we've risen to those challenges. We've climbed the mighty mountain. I see the valley below, and it's a valley of peace. - W
Within a few minutes, Deputy Herzog arrived on the scene and confronted the man, which seemed to agitated him more. As the man fought with Herzog, the officer went for his pepper spray, but the man barely flinched after several sprays to his face, Porter said. The man somehow managed to release Herzog's gun from his holster, and it hit the ground. That's when several bystanders rushed the naked man and tried to overpower him. "But he just blew them off like water on a duck's tail," said Porter. I can tell you right now the perp was probably on PCP. That is the only way he could have done those things which seem to be of superhuman strength, and especially the pepper spray not affecting him. Clearly, the cop was unprepared and did not have any idea about this. I've seen a 98 lb girl high on that shit and it took six of us to hold her down. But, there is a difference between the two incidents and any attempt to compare them or to say the cop in Deep Ellum was in any sort of similar situation is really pushing the envelope. That's just the way I see it.
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
You sure live
in an either, or world. Odd that you’re so dogmatic. I don’t get it.
I never said you weren't there. My point with the observation is that you apparently expect everyone to trust you without question, because "you were there" and as long as you consider yourself unbiased after making the comment about how sick of drunks you are while claiming this girl was one of them, you don't get trust from me. Trust must be earned, and you are far from doing so here on this forum. The world doesn't revolve around you, you know. Again, my first comments on this thread show my attempt to be open minded about the event, but that apparently doesn't matter to you. Sorry, but "fruitcake" is the descriptive word that keeps coming back to me, because of your strange expectation that we would simply accept what you say without question (particularly when comparing your comments with the photos).
BTW: I have a better name for the software .... Microsoft Internet Exploder. Jethro, I find it equally odd that you rely so readily on hearsay to support your theory that this woman would deserve to make even a nickel from her criminal behavior. Perhaps we should all resist arrest and assault the police to make money off the nuisance lawsuits instead of getting regular jobs?
Neil, Trust CAN'T be earned. It is given or not given. There is no magical formula that causes you to trust anyone. It is not like "if I give you three beans, you will trust me." You either choose to trust someone or you don't. It is an emotion, not a scientific formula.
Do you promise to make that a law once elected?
We've been challenged, and we've risen to those challenges. We've climbed the mighty mountain. I see the valley below, and it's a valley of peace. - W
Now you're falling off the cliff... It isn't like this case isn't controversial. Others at the scene totally dispute your account. Then, of course, we have those nasty pics...the one where Michelle is complying with her hands on the radio car is particularly interesting to me. It shows total compliance. For me to believe that she went from this position to that of an eye gouging beast is a stretch, especially given the cops record of civilian abuse.
That does it, I'm writing the Dallas Tourism Board about Richard, they'll have someone beat him up within the hour.
We've been challenged, and we've risen to those challenges. We've climbed the mighty mountain. I see the valley below, and it's a valley of peace. - W
Trust CAN'T be earned. It is given or not given. This response...... I never would have expected it. I'm floored. "Fruitcake" suits you quite well indeed! Well, buddy, I don't trust you, so maybe you weren't on the seen at all. Maybe you're not even from Texas.
BTW: I have a better name for the software .... Microsoft Internet Exploder. Well, I'm glad I made no attempt to compare the two incidents or say the situations were similar. I'd hate to be thought of as an envelope pusher. I merely posted it to show, in general, that there are risks involved for officers when people resist arrest. Further, I even went so far as to say it might even make me a bit biased because of that incident. The things I said to go with it apply to all cases where someone resists arrest, in my opinion. Here's a story from 2002 which happened not far from where I live. I'm biased perhaps, as I don't have much sympathy for people who resist arrest. It isn't a game where the police officer must use the same level of force you do to keep it fair. He can't afford to lose. He's armed and you are showing a willingness to fight. However, you said... I've seen a 98 lb girl high on that shit and it took six of us to hold her down. Holy cow! How many pounds of police officers is that? Just kidding! ;) And lastly... ...seem to be of superhuman strength... Clearly, the cop was unprepared and did not have any idea about this. How does one get prepared to subdue a naked man with superhuman strength? If this is a common occurrence and/or requires lots of practice to be prepared, police officers are very underpaid. That's just my opinion of course, lol.
When prosperity comes, do not use all of it. - Confucious It isn't like this case isn't controversial. Others at the scene totally dispute your account. Then, of course, we have those nasty pics...the one where Michelle is complying with her hands on the radio car is particularly interesting to me. It shows total compliance. For me to believe that she went from this position to that of an eye gouging beast is a stretch, especially given the cops record of civilian abuse. You got it, JT. That was the very first thing that hit me about this whole affair. Richard discredits himself more and more the longer he goes on like this. And I don't give a rat's ass what he says. ;0)
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Neil, You have never said explicitly that I was not there, no. However, you have skirted the edge with implications that you don't belive I was there on more than one occasion. Or perhaps that was your continuing to call me a liar and a fruitcake your way of saying "Hey, Richard, I believe you were there and I believe that what you are saying is indeed what you saw."
Holy cow! How many pounds of police officers is that? Just kidding! ;) You better be kidding for taking my comment out of context. ...seem to be of superhuman strength... Clearly, the cop was unprepared and did not have any idea about this. How does one get prepared to subdue a naked man with superhuman strength? If this is a common occurrence and/or requires lots of practice to be prepared, police officers are very underpaid. That's just my opinion of course, lol. There you go again, envelope pusher. If you think cops are underpaid, you should have been getting the lousy $30 I got for risking my ass with a bunch of drunken and doped-up concert goers. Get a life!
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Trust is slamming a face into asphalt, and screaming "do you trust me yet?".
"Our country is now geared to an arms economy bred in an artificially-induced psychosis of war hysteria and an incessant propaganda of fear." -- General Douglas MacArthur
Jethro, I will agree with you that there are many points of view from the people at the scene, but you and I both agree that she loses the criminal case hands down. She is in compliance in a STILL PHOTO. That caputures 1/10th of a second of the event in question, it done NOT show that she was in total compliance except for that 1/10th of a second when the photo was taken. You can not infer or imply that she was in compliance for the duration of the arrest from that photo and you know it, Jethro. If she tried to take this case to civil court she knows she would lose. We are not talking about a nun fresh from the convent here, she is a rollerderby chick, she makes her money fighting on skates. No jury will believe that she was just a passive victim who got 'da bomb' dropped on her for no reason whatsoever. Especially when they are looking at her convictions for public intoxication and resisting arrest at the scene.
HAHAHAHAHA Cops in Colorado Springs get $50,000 a year , after one year, plus a perk package that is nearly equal to a Oriental Pontiff's. And if a 100 lb girl swings at them (to gouge their eyes)they can claim disability and watch cop reality TV for the rest of their lives. Nice gig.
"Our country is now geared to an arms economy bred in an artificially-induced psychosis of war hysteria and an incessant propaganda of fear." -- General Douglas MacArthur
BTP, Well, well, my racist friend. What a giant surprise that you have led such a successful life. Sounds like you are telling us that YOU have experience wrestling with naked men. Not surprising...
SO not true. Her attorney won't take it forward if it doesn't have a shot - and it does.
No, Tom, Trust is when a police officer says, "place your hands on the car and don't move'... you place your hands on the car and don't move.
Jethro, Funny that YOU have so much faith in this case, yet her attorney does not. Note that she has YET to file a complaint of ANY sort. Much lest has she tried to press a civil suit.
Unless she was under arrest she was right not to comply if they used that fascist tone.
We've been challenged, and we've risen to those challenges. We've climbed the mighty mountain. I see the valley below, and it's a valley of peace. - W
Holy shit, Neil, did he really say that? I've got him on BOZO and can't read what he posts. "Fruitcake" suits you quite well indeed! Yeah, fruitcake is really apropos. ROTFLOL! Oh, the one thing I do believe is that he is from the Dallas area because of the sarcastic comment he made about doing 140 mph on U.S. 75. I know it well from going thru there in the truck. I told him maybe he should try that going around those turns on the mixmaster. It's ludicrous for him to even say such a boneheaded thing as he obviously does not comprehend what is meant by the common law doctrines Elliott mentioned earlier in the thread. That is simple proof that the people have lost touch with the history of our liberty and what it means. It is also the main reason we suffer a police state tyranny at present. And Richard is a sad representative of that whole scene.
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
It happened the 17th? dude. There will be a filing.
Tom, WOW are you uneducated. Most police forces have disability policies that are extremely limited. For example, here in Dallas, if you got shot by a bank robber and could not work, you are entitled to a maximum 16 weeks of paid time to recouperate, regardless of how severe the injuries you sustained may be. If you don't get well enough to report back to work, you are on your own. Thank Laura Miller for that one.
Jethro, Her attorney has made NO comment supporting your wild claims. Surprising that you have knowledge of what her attorney is thinking when no one else on this planet does.
Richard made it clear that he thought that was the case. O - And we had all had better learn a lesson from that as well. Respect the police state or get beaten if you don't. Great Richard, lick the boot with your tounge extended fully and say"May I lick again, sir?" Show some respect, MAN? Maybe the girl warranted it, no one else but Richard seems to think so. But his "We better learn a lesson from this , Brovo Sierra crap really rubs me the wrong way. And he wants to dream about people getting beaten up by the PO. Richard is got some issues. Pomposity and smugness are among the first.
"Our country is now geared to an arms economy bred in an artificially-induced psychosis of war hysteria and an incessant propaganda of fear." -- General Douglas MacArthur
Dakmar, ONCE AGAIN: WRONG. The police can detain you without placing you under arrest if the feel that there is sufficient reason. They do not have to justify their actions to you at that time and you DO have to comply. That is how they can stop your vehicle when you are driving down the road. For example: If you matched the description of a suspect they were looking for (even if you were NOT the suspect), they could stop you, ask you for your identification, ask you to place your hands on the squad and not move, and you would HAVE to comply, or be immediately arrested. If they had a report of someone selling drugs in the area, and when they got there, they saw you and thought you were selling drugs on a street corner, (even if you weren't), they could stop you and frisk you and you could not do anything about it. It is called Probable Cause. You do not understand the law, Dakmar... among MANY other things.
Jethro Tull posted on 2006-01-21 22:58:07 ET Richard is here to tell us like is is, not to worry our little minds what we think we saw. He will take care of us, trust him. Chief Joseph.
"Our country is now geared to an arms economy bred in an artificially-induced psychosis of war hysteria and an incessant propaganda of fear." -- General Douglas MacArthur
Tom, Are you sure you are not a woman? You are SO melodramatic. Michelle was NOT beaten. Not even CLOSE to beaten. A small cut on the face from falling to the ground does NOT constitute a beating. She resisted arrest and assaulted a police officer... all she got was a small cut on the face? Oh yeah, a real Rodney King moment there... LOL
You are an idiot for trying to argue with rhetoric. You think you're important for doing so too, it seems.
We've been challenged, and we've risen to those challenges. We've climbed the mighty mountain. I see the valley below, and it's a valley of peace. - W
Tom, You did not "see" anything. You were not there. I was.
He has touched the face of Todd (thank you les)
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestThat sounds like a threat, honky.
#477. To: Dakmar (#475)
I feel like I've dealt with you before, you use so many canned insults and retarded cliches.
#478. To: Dakmar (#475)
#479. To: BTP Holdings (#476)
#480. To: Richard, christine (#449)
No, it is not a good thing that her conduct resulted in her being injured, and I can understand how seeing photos of a woman with blood on her face can be disturbing to those of you who did not see how the blood got there in the first place - but it is a consequence of her actions.
The nation is prosperous on the whole, but how much prosperity is there in a hole? - Will Rogers
There are 9,000 hedge funds out there. There aren't that many smart people in the world. - Michael Driscoll, a trader at Bear Stearns & Co. in New York
Some days you just want to pull out the Bonehead Stick and beat people senseless. - mirage
#481. To: markm0722 (#480)
#482. To: markm0722 (#480)
#483. To: markm0722, Richard (#480)
Picture the police officer thinking, "She's getting what she deserves."
#484. To: markm0722, All (#480)
As shots rang out, some citizens tried to step in
#485. To: Richard (#448)
It is not a winnable case.
#486. To: Richard (#447)
I emphasize it because people like you consistently try to say that I was not there.
-- George Bonser
#487. To: Jethro Tull (#485)
#488. To: Neil McIver (#486)
#489. To: Richard (#488)
Trust CAN'T be earned. It is given or not given.
#490. To: Richard (#487)
#491. To: Jethro Tull (#490)
#492. To: Richard (#488)
-- George Bonser
#493. To: BTP Holdings (#484)
But, there is a difference between the two incidents and any attempt to compare them or to say the cop in Deep Ellum was in any sort of similar situation is really pushing the envelope.
The nation is prosperous on the whole, but how much prosperity is there in a hole? - Will Rogers
There are 9,000 hedge funds out there. There aren't that many smart people in the world. - Michael Driscoll, a trader at Bear Stearns & Co. in New York
Some days you just want to pull out the Bonehead Stick and beat people senseless. - mirage
#494. To: Jethro Tull (#490)
Now you're falling off the cliff...
#495. To: Neil McIver (#486)
I never said you weren't there.
#496. To: markm0722 (#493)
I've seen a 98 lb girl high on that shit and it took six of us to hold her down.
And lastly...
#497. To: Neil McIver, richard (#492)
Trust CAN'T be earned. It is given or not given.
#498. To: Jethro Tull (#490)
#499. To: BTP Holdings (#496)
If you think cops are underpaid, you sho
#500. To: BTP Holdings (#496)
#501. To: Richard (#498)
If she tried to take this case to civil court she knows she would lose.
#502. To: tom007 (#497)
Trust is slamming a face into asphalt, and screaming "do you trust me yet?".
#503. To: Jethro Tull (#501)
#504. To: Richard (#502)
Trust is when a police officer says, "place your hands on the car and don't move'... you place your hands on the car and don't move.
#505. To: Neil McIver (#492)
Trust CAN'T be earned. It is given or not given.
This response...... I never would have expected it. I'm floored.
Well, buddy, I don't trust you, so maybe you weren't on the seen at all. Maybe you're not even from Texas.
#506. To: Richard (#503)
Note that she has YET to file a complaint of ANY sort. Much lest has she tried to press a civil suit.
#507. To: tom007 (#499)
And if a 100 lb girl swings at them (to gouge their eyes)they can claim disability and watch cop reality TV for the rest of their lives. Nice gig.
#508. To: Jethro Tull (#506)
#509. To: Dakmar (#483)
Picture the police officer thinking, "She's getting what she deserves."
#510. To: Dakmar (#504)
#511. To: Jethro Tull (#485)
You sure live in an either, or world. Odd that you’re so dogmatic. I don’t get it.
#512. To: tom007 (#509)
#513. To: Richard (#510)
#514. To: tom007 (#511)
Richard is here to tell us like is is, not to worry our little minds what we think we saw.
#515. To: tom007 (#511)
He will take care of us, trust him. Chief Joseph.
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