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Title: (Dallas) Police Deny Excessive Force In Bloody Arrest (black cop, white girl)
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URL Source: http://www.nbc5i.com/news/6158812/detail.html
Published: Jan 16, 2006
Author: NBC5
Post Date: 2006-01-16 20:18:09 by BTP Holdings
Keywords: Excessive, (Dallas), Police
Views: 12905
Comments: 855
POSTED: 5:16 pm CST January 16, 2006
DALLAS -- E-mails and pictures circulating the Internet tell the tale of a Dallas woman's bloody run-in with police after a roller-skating outing escalated into an arrest with excessive force, but officers and some witnesses Monday told a different story.
The incident happened early Saturday morning in Deep Ellum after police attempted to speak with Michelle Metzinger, 25, who, according to a police report, was intoxicated and weaving through traffic on roller skates.
Images: The Arrest & Other Slideshows
The pictures that stemmed from the events that followed are dramatic. They show an officer arresting Metzinger. Her face is covered in blood and there is a puddle of blood on the sidewalk.
"Very excessive. Uncalled for, you know. We're talking about a 250-pound guy and a 100-pound girl. It was just over the top," witness "D.C." said. "All I saw were her feet in the air and disappearing behind a cop car."
However, Dallas police and other witnesses tell a totally different story.
They said Metzinger was drunk and that she not only ignored officers who asked her to stop skating in the street, but also shouted profanities.
According to reports, an officer then tried to arrest Metzinger for public intoxication.
She resisted and attacked the officer, Lt. Rick Watson said.
"The officer attempted to turn her around, at which time the suspect then reached up and grabbed the officer's -- right part of his face -- trying to gouge the officer's eye," Watson said.
Despite the interest that the story has generated online and in the media, Metzinger said she would not comment on the incident until she had consulted with a lawyer.
Metzinger also had not filed a complaint report, so Dallas police were not conducting an internal investigation.
When I worked concert security and someone got bloodied, it was always proper for us to "get our stories straight." Or, as Eddie Murphy said in that movie, "You were lying your asses off." That LT is a lying piece of shit and so is the black cop who LIED in his report.
I'll tell you one thing for certain, this bastard needs to be caught and given a damn hard ball-batting. And then a WHITE magic marker taken to his forehead and the words BAD COP inscribed thereon. What was done was brutal, inexcusable and unjustified.
Police Deny Excessive Force In Bloody Arrest
Dramatic Pictures, Rumors Circulate Online
UPDATED: 6:11 pm CST January 16, 2006
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Pictures taken by a witness clearly show the cops are LIARS!
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#727. To: Elliott Jackalope (#50)
Gotta agree with you Elliot.......I worked LA for 3 years.....and saw some bad officers do some bad things.....We place too much emphasis on Officers tryin to obey the law, and forget that they are, after all...just human, with emotions and feelings......and we ask much of them, in situations hard to imagine...We all react in diff ways in diff situations....2 hours before this incident, the officer may have covered a child rape or abused wife....or perhaps a robbery in progress, who knows what was in his mind?.....never the less, He could have chose a diff way to handle it.....But in his defense....this aint the movies, folks!.....You try takin down someone who dont wanna be taken down...size has little to do with it....a drunk or someone on PCP...can have strength you might find it hard to believe....and they feel very little pain, until after the fact.....Just my two cents.......Peace, ya'all!
Oh yes, the old "superhuman criminal" story. I've heard that nonsense before too. I don't care how zonked out someone is, you can still take them down with any number of moves, and the cops are taught a whole lot of them. Believe me, I know, my step-father used to practice the moves they taught him on me. Here's a true story of something I saw one day in Silicon Valley (Santa Clara, California). The cops were rousting some guy in a parking lot just off the El Camino by Lawrence Expressway, some bum who looked like he might have thought of himself as a "tough guy", mid-thirties, bald head, no shirt, looked like he worked out. Guess how many cops were there rousting this guy? One? Two? Four? Try more like THIRTY FIVE! No kidding. I counted, but I'm not sure if it was an exact count because there were so many of them. There were so many cops there that they had to have two cops directing traffic around the cop traffic jam created by all of the cop cars who stopped in to roust this guy. Thirty five cops. What were they thinking? I know what I was thinking, "what a bunch of total pussies these blue suited bullies are." Since when are thirty five cops needed to roust a bum? Sheesh. Some may say "support your local police", but I'm not one of them. I don't like cowardly pussy fear biters.
I will never agree with those who believe that "if you are doing nothing wrong, then you have nothing to worry about".
#728. To: Merlin (#727)
You try takin down someone who dont wanna be taken down...size has little to do with it....a drunk or someone on PCP...can have strength you might find it hard to believe....and they feel very little pain, until after the fact
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#729. To: Elliott Jackalope (#728)
I gather two things from your comments....One, that you are probably a Libral....and Two.....at some point in your life, You have been "Rousted" by some police or authority figure. It kills me to read all of the horror stories about the law enforcement community. Your solution is what?...to disband all police forces? I will totally agree with you, that we have some bad officers out there...But all of them, or MOST of them, are not the "storm troopers" you try to portray them as. I resided in Mexico for a time...The police there pretty much enforce the law, according to how much money a person has, or the social status of an individual. What a country this would be, if that happened here. And yes, my friend, I DO support my local police...I dont always agree, or condone some of thier actions, but I'm not quite ready to just dump our system, just yet.
Some may say "support your local police", but I'm not one of them. I don't like cowardly pussy fear biters.
#730. To: siagiah (#725)
Just saw your post......We need more clear thinkers like you in the world!....Very well said!
Not much else is known as fact so that's all we have to work with that is indisputable... Can we at least all agree on something?
#731. To: Merlin, siagiah (#730)
No, I can't agree with siagiah, or apparently you. The kid was submissive to authority (see photos) and for the police officer to allow the incident to reach the point it did show a lack of control on his part. Add his past history of aggressive behavior and it’s clear to me who the criminal is here. The cop needs to be fired and the Dallas PD sued for millions. That's all the power structure knows.
#732. To: Merlin (#729)
First, no I'm not a liberal, but I'm not a fan of conservatives any longer either. As of now I no longer see things as "right or left", I see them as "right or wrong". And two, yes, I've been rousted before, many time when I was living on the streets. I was rousted and harassed for the crimes of sleeping, and the crime of loitering, and the crime of asking people for money. Did I mention that I came from a really fucked up family background? But I overcame it because of my natural tendency to be a workaholic. Meanwhile, Ken Lay, who stole billions, still has yet to see the inside of a courtroom. Five years later, still has not even been put in handcuffs. Him and thousands of other corporate criminals buy their way out of their crimes that cost people billions. Oh, and another experience I got to live through, about fifteen years ago I came up with "a really good idea", something worth a whole lot of money. I put together a team of engineers, and tried to get venture capital financing. Guess what happened? The VC's stole my idea, and made billions off of it. No shit. I got to spend five years fighting in court, just to end up with a tiny fraction of a fraction of a fraction of what my idea was worth. Why? Because our system is just like the one you described in Mexico. It does, in fact, enforce the law according to how much money a person has. So there you have it. The fact of the matter is I deeply resent and despise cops and our legal system (don't insult us all by calling it a "justice" system), but I also get a big laugh watching what happens to cops after they retire. They usually drink themselves to death. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of assholes. They sure do have a lot of television shows portraying how "brave cops" save us from all of the "street criminals", but they don't have any shows portraying law officers going after corporate criminals and evil lawyers who make a mockery of justice with their manipulations of the law, do they? No, they don't, and the end result is to manufacture people like me who would not piss down a cops throat if their lungs were on fire. Fuck the cops, and fuck this corporatist empire. I hope I live long enough to see the power elites given the French Revolution treatment. I will personally volunteer for executionor duty when that day comes. Heck, I'll do it for free.
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#733. To: Elliott Jackalope (#732)
anyone who's got their eyes open is *there*. good post, as usual. ;)
First, no I'm not a liberal, but I'm not a fan of conservatives any longer either. As of now I no longer see things as "right or left", I see them as "right or wrong"
#734. To: Elliott Jackalope (#732)
Elliot, the world is not black & white and neither is our system of justice. Certainly there are bad cops but there are more good ones overall. From my POV, the gal is ANYTHING but submissive. She is COMBATIVE. Submissive people cower, pull into fetal positions, and look scared. She looks anything but. I appreciate that you've had bad experiences that are coloring your views here but try to put them aside, pretend the officer is not a police officer but is a regular person on the street. Does the gal look like she's meek and afraid? or does her demeanor and the photos support the officer's story?
I don't know about you, but the present STATE OF THE UNION scares the crap outa me...
#735. To: Merlin (#730)
Thanks Merlin. I assume you are the same Merlin from CPD board?
I don't know about you, but the present STATE OF THE UNION scares the crap outa me...
#736. To: siagiah (#734)
I understand what you are trying to say. My problem is that am also human, and my experiences have made me incapable of being objective when it comes to police and authority figures. I'm one who will always assume they are in the wrong whenever a question arises. Considering the legions of bootlicking power worshippers who will always side with the cops no matter what, society needs people like me to provide just the tiniest amout of push back.
| Gold and silver are real money, paper is but a promise. |
#737. To: Elliott Jackalope (#736)
Okay, fair enough... Just understand that there will also be those of us here who want to be as objective as possible and who allow for BOTH possibilities. I do NOT dismiss her claims outright because pictures CAN and DO lie, especially when given only a small selection to view, BUT the evidence presented comes from someone who is trying to show that she was BEATEN. Presumably, they'd choose the most likely to convince pictures from the group. If these are their most convincing pictures of someone being beaten into submission, I'd like to see what they didn't choose. These photos do NOT support the idea of her being beaten or scared... I am quite familiar with that type of situation from working in the psychiatric/emergency room field. I've NEVER seen anyone who fits the profile they are selling look like she does... This is the reason that I lean more heavily towards the officer's story rather than the girls. I could be wrong, that possibility certainly exists, but I strongly doubt it.
To: siagiah I understand what you are trying to say. My problem is that am also human, and my experiences have made me incapable of being objective when it comes to police and authority figures. I'm one who will always assume they are in the wrong whenever a question arises. Considering the legions of bootlicking power worshippers who will always side with the cops no matter what, society needs people like me to provide just the tiniest amout of push back.
I don't know about you, but the present STATE OF THE UNION scares the crap outa me...
#738. To: Jethro Tull, Merlin, siagiah (#731)
You're 100% correct on this, JT. I've got 11 years worth of experience in Chicago and you've got 15 on NYPD. I can say that on a couple of occasions I have been complemented by the "boys in blue" in Chicago as to the amount of restraint I showed in handling certain situations. Seriously, they said they would have gone off on the creeps a lot harder than I did in those same circumstances. The pictures tell enough of a story from where I stand and are unequivocal. I even had the privelege of being at the clusterfuck known as Woodstock '94 to work as security right on front of the main stage and came to develop a few close professional relationships, one with the guy who was in charge of security for that event and was also in charge of security for the Grateful Dead. When they come to town and spot you and immediately walk up and shake your hand, you know there is a great deal of professional respect and courtesy involved. The same happened for another guy who ran his own security company and did lots of gigs, one of which was called Lollapalooza. We did a couple of shows for them, one in Des Moines and another in Pecatonica, Illinois near Rockford. I knew this guy first from working with him at Woodstock '94 and the first thing he did when he spotted me was stop the golf cart he was on and jump off and give me a big hug. Now tell me there wasn't a connection, and don't get smart. ;0) This is just my way of showing how it is possible for us to be able to spot a bad situation and know what it is when we see it. I think you've got the same take on this as I do. Some never develop this and it is indeed like an extra sense. And there were many times that extra sense saved my bacon.
No, I can't agree with siagiah, or apparently you. The kid was submissive to authority (see photos) and for the police officer to allow the incident to reach the point it did show a lack of control on his part. Add his past history of aggressive behavior and it’s clear to me who the criminal is here. The cop needs to be fired and the Dallas PD sued for millions. That's all the power structure knows.
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
#739. To: Elliott Jackalope (#732)
So, trying to steal my thunder, huh? We need more rope!
I hope I live long enough to see the power elites given the French Revolution treatment. I will personally volunteer for executionor duty when that day comes. Heck, I'll do it for free.
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
#740. To: BTP Holdings (#738)
You've added nothing to the story other than personal reference UNRELATED to this incident. It's all good and all that you "know" cops but you don't know THIS COP or THIS GAL and the truth isn't based on anecdotes unrelated to the situation being judged... otherwise, HI BTP... nice to "see" ya...
I don't know about you, but the present STATE OF THE UNION scares the crap outa me...
#741. To: Elliott Jackalope (#732)
Great post. Death to the elites! Where do I sign up for executioner duties? Mark
...Fuck the cops, and fuck this corporatist empire. I hope I live long enough to see the power elites given the French Revolution treatment. I will personally volunteer for executionor duty when that day comes. Heck, I'll do it for free.....
#742. To: BTP Holdings (#739)
We need more rope! Ah luvs it when u talk dirty... ROFLMAO...
So, trying to steal my thunder, huh?
I don't know about you, but the present STATE OF THE UNION scares the crap outa me...
#743. To: BTP Holdings, all (#738)
If the cop couldn't cuff the kid without incident when she had her hands on the radio car, he has problems. Here's a little somthing on the officer involved: In his 13-plus years on the force, Officer Gordon has received his fair share of commendations and awards. But he's also had 27 complaints filed against him, most of which were deemed "unfounded" or "inconclusive." His record also includes at least two allegations of excessive force that were found to be inconclusive.
#744. To: Jethro Tull (#743)
Which PROVES what? That he's been accused by people before? That suggests a problem but it doesn't PROVE anything at all. It's all subjective. WHO accused him? When? Why? Why were they deemed unsupported or inconclusive? Is there a cover up or was there really NO EVIDENCE because it didn't really happen? You simply don't know. All that information does (for me) is reinforce my unwillingness to decide that I "know" what really happened. I believe, I don't know anything.
I don't know about you, but the present STATE OF THE UNION scares the crap outa me...
#745. To: siagiah (#740)
Be that as it may, there is another thing here which takes this a step further, and that is best described by the word experience. By this we take the truth to a higher plane. It is impossible to relate this by mere words alone. Trust me on this. I know what I'm talking about. ;0)
You've added nothing to the story other than personal reference UNRELATED to this incident. It's all good and all that you "know" cops but you don't know THIS COP or THIS GAL and the truth isn't based on anecdotes unrelated to the situation being judged...
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
#746. To: siagiah, Jethro Tull (#744)
Which PROVES what? That he's been accused by people before? That suggests a problem but it doesn't PROVE anything at all. It's all subjective. WHO accused him? When? Why? Why were they deemed unsupported or inconclusive? Is there a cover up or was there really NO EVIDENCE because it didn't really happen? You simply don't know. All that information does (for me) is reinforce my unwillingness to decide that I "know" what really happened. I believe, I don't know anything. That is a very high number of complaints, whether or not they were unfounded is irrelevant. I can tell you that I have had literally hundreds of incidents during the 11 years I did my thing. And during that time I had maybe 2 complaints that I had to deal with, one of which I had to go to court on. All of my immediate supervisors said the same thing, that I was one of their best guys. JT, how many incidents did you have in your work record in that jungle we call NYC? I'll bet it wasn't as many as this guy in Dallas has had in a similar period of time.
In his 13-plus years on the force, Officer Gordon has received his fair share of commendations and awards. But he's also had 27 complaints filed against him, most of which were deemed "unfounded" or "inconclusive." His record also includes at least two allegations of excessive force that were found to be inconclusive.
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
#747. To: BTP Holdings (#745)
By this we take the truth to a higher plane. It is impossible to relate this by mere words alone. Trust me on this. I know what I'm talking about. ;0) Yes, and I related MY EXPERIENCE to y'all. I work in an emergency room and in the psychiatric field. I see this stuff all the time. I live in the boonies NOW but I lived & worked in an inner city for 15 years. I'm not naive in any sense of the word. I am aware of what happens when ANYONE tries to handcuff or subdue a person unwilling to submit. There is NO WAY to accomplish it without a fight. That means that the officer gets kicked, bitten, spat on, hair pulled, scratched, elbowed, WHATEVER... and it follows that the person being handcuffed gets banged up as well. Whose fault is that? Well gee, it depends on who decided to resist arrest? Should the officer just let her go because she resists????? HOWEVER, if the person was NOT resisting, THEN we blame the officer. How do we decide the truth then? Witnesses. Photographs. Statements of those involved. The witnesses all corroborate the fact that the girl WAS resisting arrest. One can safely assume that she struggled and might have fallen. She was drunk, that is NOT a question. She was wearing roller skates WITH WHEELS. That is not a question. Her injuries are minor. The photos imply she was defiant. That SUPPORTS his view.
Be that as it may, there is another thing here which takes this a step further, and that is best described by the word experience.
I don't know about you, but the present STATE OF THE UNION scares the crap outa me...
#748. To: siagiah (#744)
When a police officer average more than two formal complaints a year, it’s my experience that where there’s smoke, there’s fire. IMO, he’s one of the many 250 pound assholes who are unfit to be “policing” anything, never mind anyone. If that stuffed bag of doughnuts couldn’t control a 90 pound kid on skates, who completely submitted btw, he’s in the wrong business. Been there, seen it, it blows.
Which PROVES what?
#749. To: Jethro Tull (#748)
Okay, fair enough. Has anyone checked HER record? I'd be interested in hearing all about what made her get drunk, go rollerskating in the middle of a highway, and then resist arrest... If this is a real issue with true merit, why is there no press on it aside from this ONE obscure article? I have run out of time for now... I'll catch up later... See if anyone can find out more about her?
I don't know about you, but the present STATE OF THE UNION scares the crap outa me...
#750. To: BTP Holdings (#746)
Far fewer than that, and I was in stationed in all the dumps NYC has to offer. And another thing. For every formal complaint lodged, countless go unreported. The public isn't dopey - they know the investigation of a cop is a routine whitewash. That said, multiply his 27? complaints by 5 and you'll be closer to the actual number.
JT, how many incidents did you have in your work record in that jungle we call NYC?
#751. To: Jethro Tull (#750)
I hear that. I know it's right what you're saying. And for all the cops back in the "old neighborhood" they were as tough as they were fair-minded most of the time. And when we ran across one with a bad attitude he either had a case of "small man syndrome" of was under orders of some sort. And if it happened to be something else, a word to the right cop you knew got back to the jerk in question and things chilled out. If it didn't we could count on the good guys to make things right. I was lucky I knew alot of the good guys. ;0)
Far fewer than that, and I was in stationed in all the dumps NYC has to offer. And another thing. For every formal complaint lodged, countless go unreported. The public isn't dopey - they know the investigation of a cop is a routine whitewash. That said, multiply his 27? complaints by 5 and you'll be closer to the actual number.
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
#752. To: siagiah (#749)
Have we proven she was drunk? And even if she was drunk,
being on skates, she’d be far easier to control. Let’s take the
officers story as fact for the sake of argument. What harm would it have been
if he back up and let her kick at thin air? That would have been the right
thing to do, since her efforts would have lasted 5 minutes, and threatened
nobody. And talk about the neat pics that would have generated (g).
What bothers me in this matter is her size, his bulk, and the pictures of her
submitting prior to the incident. Also, the general trend of police behavior
over the past few years is troubling. They've become increasingly aggressive,
especially in places like this Deep Ellum-type area. To "protect and serve"
has been replaced with "to arrest and summons".
They've allowed themselves to become revenue collectors for local government,
and they love it.
I'd be interested in hearing all about what made her get drunk,
go rollerskating in the middle of a highway, and then resist arrest...
#753. To: siagiah, Jethro Tull (#747)
I don't doubt your personal experience with the aftermath of these sort of incidents. I've also known another woman who worked in ER in Cook County Hospital (Chicago). You can't get much more "inner city" than that. So I've heard this all before and I do not doubt anything you say in this regard. (HA! She used to mess with the darkies when they would mess with her. She would withhold meds from the junkies and the junkies would start screaming, "Doc, she's stealing my dope." She would say, "Don't listen to him, Doc, he's just trying to get more." ROTFLMAO!) It does not always turn out like this, not by a long shot. Like JT says, been there, seen it (and done it), and it does indeed blow. Handcuffing someone was only a measure of last resort to protect all parties involved, them and us. In short, there's been times when all that was necessary was to just put them down and that was only on rare occasion at that. Sometimes there had to be a thumping dished out but that wasn't common at all. One time (Lollapalooza in Des Moines) when I had a kid just haul off and start swinging at me it was really easy to subdue him and put him down and cuff him. So I don't believe one minute that what I see in those pics was necessary or reasonable. I could relate dozens more incidents where there was never any blood drawn or for that matter anyone sent to jail. It's all a matter of perspective and rarely was there ever any hard feelings at a later date if you happened to encounter someone you had a previous altercation with. Matter of fact, I bumped into a guy at an after show party and he reminded me that I threw him out of one venue a couple years before. He bought me a drink and we shook hands. He admitted he was being a jerk at the time. I can tell you what happened when I had to thump a one time acquaintance of mine when he got out of line. Sure, I put some lumps on his head. I did not have to kick his ass. It was very simple, really, all I did was sit on him. What can I say, he made a huge tactical error. And this was only after I did the proper thing and tried to retreat to defuse the situation. ;0) Excuse me, but one of the first news reports I saw with interviews of witnesses said nothing of the sort, unlike a certain BOZO who has been dismissed from this forum. The vast majority of witnesses say it was excessive force. But then, you can line up twenty people and have them witness a pre-arranged incident and you will get 20 different descriptions of what they have seen. So, whom do you believe? I believe what my gut instinct tells me based on my own experience in the trenches. I've lived it and survived and seen others bad hurt. I know when I see a situtation that stinks and this one sure as hell does. They would not want me on the jury for this even if I had no knowledge of the incident since I have a very strict interpretation of what it takes to cross that thin blue line. I've been on both sides of it and walking that line is one of the most hair raising things anyone can choose to do. I've always lived on the edge and I haven't changed a whit. Just ask some bureauRATS about me some time. I guarantee I leave an impression on them even though they just meet my mighty pen. ;0)
Yes, and I related MY EXPERIENCE to y'all. I work in an emergency room and in the psychiatric field. I see this stuff all the time. I live in the boonies NOW but I lived & worked in an inner city for 15 years. I'm not naive in any sense of the word.
I am aware of what happens when ANYONE tries to handcuff or subdue a person unwilling to submit. There is NO WAY to accomplish it without a fight. That means that the officer gets kicked, bitten, spat on, hair pulled, scratched, elbowed, WHATEVER... and it follows that the person being handcuffed gets banged up as well. Whose fault is that?
The witnesses all corroborate the fact that the girl WAS resisting arrest.
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
#754. To: Jethro Tull (#752)
Some of the biggest laughs I've had was when some drunken clown would square off and think he was going to give me a pasting. I would just let him commit and reach out and grab his wrist and it was all over faster than you could say "Cuff 'em and stuff 'em." ;0)
What harm would it have been if he back up and let her kick at thin air? That would have been the right thing to do, since her efforts would have lasted 5 minutes, and threatened nobody. And talk about the neat pics that would have generated (g).
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
#755. To: BTP Holdings (#754)
Yep. The stewballs who wanted to fight made me feel like Muhammad Ali in his prime. Step to the right, and Ole! (g).
#756. To: Jethro Tull, siagiah (#752)
It wasn't a highway, and perhaps she was legally drunk (considering her size, "a couple" would likely do it). Whether she was drunk enough to attack a police officer, the 1st photo of her standing by the cruiser seems to indicate compliance, but the "eyewitness" accounts seem to be at either extreme of 'she started it' or 'he beat her'. I suspect the truth may be more like, she took her hands off the car, perhaps turned, the officer instead of telling her to resume her position began to force her back into position, at which point: We've yet to see/hear credible evidence of what happened between the time she was standing to when she was under the officer on the street. Here is some more background: Using street & town and business names from various news articles, I did a Google search to generate a picture of the "scene". You can do the same with this link: local Google tattoo OR bar OR alley near July Aly & N Crowdus St, Dallas, TX 75226 Wait for the image to load, then click "hybrid" in upper right corner (to get satellite photo w/labels overlaid). Then in the upper left corner, click zoom "+" incrementally. If you do that, you should see: Note the streets are shown in yellow with traffic directions and note that Elm St is one-way southwest bound, seemingly a 4-lane with parking on both sides. "B" (Elm St Tattoo) seems to be where the arrest was made. "D" (Elm Street Bar) is where Metzinger had just left, crossed Elm street to the north, arriving at Elm St Tattoo. Note also that the Elm St Bar seems to be set back from the street with a parking lot in front (empty at the time this satellite photo was taken). "C" (July Alley) is where many of the eyewitnesses (like " Richard") claim to have been standing. At maximum zoom, you can see the Elm St traffic lanes clearly and the 'point' of the red balloon "B" is probably where the partrol crusier was parked, pointing to the left, and the photos we see were taken from the sidewalk in front of Elm St Tattoo facing south across Elm St towards the parking lot in front of the Elm St. Bar "D": Here is a thread supposedly posted by the person who actually took the photos: I met up with Amanda outside of Elm St. Tattoo, and there was a derby girl skating from the bar across the street to the tattoo parlor. No big deal. But a cop stopped her to give her a ticket. Well, she gave some attitude, but went with it. Kept her hands on the car while he wrote her a ticket. I crossed the street to the bar, and another skater went past me, nothing happened to her, even though her friend was getting a ticket for skating in the street.... very wierd. I turned back around to look at the girl and the cop, and I see him wrestling her to the ground. She's screaming, this tiny girl, is struggling, while about 50 people gather and start yelling. Turns out someone on the sidewalk yelled something to her, she turned to see the person, took her hands off of the car, and the cop got pissed. She gave attitude, I think he shoved her back on the car, so she stuggled back up, and he shoved her around. He was at least 200 pounds. She was about 100. Her face was bloody. I have a few pictures. I was questions, they got my info to call me. I hope they do. Honestly, this whole mess makes me fucking sick and sad. I want to be a cop, so it's not like I'm against them. About 6 more cop cars showed up. 18 cops. One ambulance. They're treating us, including us ones trying to be helpful and nice, like shit. And when we're explaining it to other people, they yelling at us, and threating us "we'll give you tickets for standing on the street, we don't care!" What.... what the hell? How ignorant. The girl got checked up, seemed fine, and then they took her off to jail. Oh my God. These are MY PICTURES all over the internet. She was NOT skating through traffic. That's what gets me. She crossed the street. And, I'm not sure where you're from, but in a place like Deep Ellum, it's like 6th street in Austin, people are walking all over the streets. She was NOT weaving in and out of traffic like the damn news said. And I'm ticked off they reported that. I know these pictures are all over the internet, but they came from ME. Here's a Google news search on Metzinger OR Gordon and you'll note there are many news stories, including an appearance in court. If you click "web" you'll find about 150 or so hits, but be careful as there are another couple of Michelle Metzinger's elsewhere.
I'd be interested in hearing all about what made her get drunk, go rollerskating in the middle of a highway, and then resist arrest...
I dunno.
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#757. To: Jethro Tull, BTP Holdings (#755)
Okay guys... We'll have to agree to disagree... Let the jury sort it out.
I don't know about you, but the present STATE OF THE UNION scares the crap outa me...
#758. To: siagiah (#757)
Happy Valentine's Day. :D
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
#759. To: Starwind (#756)
for more info here's the link to the photographer... http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=1064892&blogID=77774019 and if you want to help Michelle... http://www.helpmichelle.org/ and a pic of her under her skating name... http://www.assassinationcityderby.com/agents/pages/images/MuffThumper.jpg love ruthie XXXXXX
#760. To: ruthie (#759)
Welcome to 4 ruthie.. glad you joined us
#761. To: ruthie (#759)
Now this interesting from one of the links: "Michelle was on rollerskates and was out weighed by the officer by approximately 150 pounds. Was such force necessary? Officer Gordon has numerous complaints and internal affairs reports against him for using excessive force (see the Recent News articles)."
#762. To: ruthie (#759)
welcome to 4, ruthie. do you know if Michelle (nice pic of her, btw) is pursuing action against Ceaphus?
Michelle Metzinger was wrongly arrested on the night of Friday, January 13th. The arresting officer, Ceaphus Gordon, claimed she was intoxicated; however, Michelle was with numerous friends who swear that she was not intoxicated. Officer Gordon then used excessive force to arrest Michelle as is portrayed in the pictures below. He found it necessary to cut off Michelle's circulation by putting his knee on her throat (see bottom picture). Michelle was on rollerskates and was out weighed by the officer by approximately 150 pounds. Was such force necessary? Officer Gordon has numerous complaints and internal affairs reports against him for using excessive force (see the Recent News articles).
#763. To: ruthie (#759)
Thanks for the update on Michelle, ruthie. From everything I've seen and read it appears the police overreacted. I'm glad Michelle has legal help and is carefully planning her strategy. I'll be following her case with great interest. Good luck to all!
#764. To: christine (#762)
WOW, this is a longass thread... Christine, I live in Dallas, and I have not heard any more news on this event since it happened. So far as I know, and I just watched our local news, the officer was never removed from his duties in any way and the woman arrested has not filed any sort of complaint yet. As of now it is a non-story around these parts. There were two shootings in Deep Ellum over the weekend, not officer involved, and the suspects were detained without incident. I'll letcha know if I hear anything else.
welcome to 4, ruthie. do you know if Michelle (nice pic of her, btw) is pursuing action against Ceaphus?
"There are 10 the 11th power stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." Richard Feynman
#765. To: christine, BTP Holdings, ruthie (#762)
You think you could edit BTP's original post and add these links (as img's - so they show) to the photo's at the end of the poster comments? That way these new photo's will appear for anyone reviewing this thread. You might also include a link to ruthie's post with a note for anyone who wishes to help out Michelle? http://www.helpmichelle. org/images/Bloody.jpg
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#766. To: Starwind (#756)
Damn Starwind, I just came across this post of yours. I really need to start checking my pings. Great research. Take a look at ruthie’s post. Michelle appears to be preparing to take this to the wall - just as we thought. It's a slam dunk.
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