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Title: (Dallas) Police Deny Excessive Force In Bloody Arrest (black cop, white girl)
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URL Source: http://www.nbc5i.com/news/6158812/detail.html
Published: Jan 16, 2006
Author: NBC5
Post Date: 2006-01-16 20:18:09 by BTP Holdings
Keywords: Excessive, (Dallas), Police
Views: 14656
Comments: 855
POSTED: 5:16 pm CST January 16, 2006
DALLAS -- E-mails and pictures circulating the Internet tell the tale of a Dallas woman's bloody run-in with police after a roller-skating outing escalated into an arrest with excessive force, but officers and some witnesses Monday told a different story.
The incident happened early Saturday morning in Deep Ellum after police attempted to speak with Michelle Metzinger, 25, who, according to a police report, was intoxicated and weaving through traffic on roller skates.
Images: The Arrest & Other Slideshows
The pictures that stemmed from the events that followed are dramatic. They show an officer arresting Metzinger. Her face is covered in blood and there is a puddle of blood on the sidewalk.
"Very excessive. Uncalled for, you know. We're talking about a 250-pound guy and a 100-pound girl. It was just over the top," witness "D.C." said. "All I saw were her feet in the air and disappearing behind a cop car."
However, Dallas police and other witnesses tell a totally different story.
They said Metzinger was drunk and that she not only ignored officers who asked her to stop skating in the street, but also shouted profanities.
According to reports, an officer then tried to arrest Metzinger for public intoxication.
She resisted and attacked the officer, Lt. Rick Watson said.
"The officer attempted to turn her around, at which time the suspect then reached up and grabbed the officer's -- right part of his face -- trying to gouge the officer's eye," Watson said.
Despite the interest that the story has generated online and in the media, Metzinger said she would not comment on the incident until she had consulted with a lawyer.
Metzinger also had not filed a complaint report, so Dallas police were not conducting an internal investigation.
When I worked concert security and someone got bloodied, it was always proper for us to "get our stories straight." Or, as Eddie Murphy said in that movie, "You were lying your asses off." That LT is a lying piece of shit and so is the black cop who LIED in his report.
I'll tell you one thing for certain, this bastard needs to be caught and given a damn hard ball-batting. And then a WHITE magic marker taken to his forehead and the words BAD COP inscribed thereon. What was done was brutal, inexcusable and unjustified.
Police Deny Excessive Force In Bloody Arrest
Dramatic Pictures, Rumors Circulate Online
UPDATED: 6:11 pm CST January 16, 2006
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Pictures taken by a witness clearly show the cops are LIARS!
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#42. To: Jethro Tull (#41)
Of course he can't. Why would he undercut one of his own people? I'll tell ya, I've wrapped up guys, lean 'n' mean and 15 years younger than me, without giving them so much as a bruise. And this creep thumps this little girl so hard the blood is all over her face. And then his knee on her throat and her spine. I hope these pics really hang him. He went way overboard and now it's time to pay the fiddler. The head hunters will have some fun looking into his record and sending him for new psych tests. ;0)
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Of course he can't. Why would he undercut one of his own people? Oh, damn, that's from a different story. Oh, it looks as it this Lt. is just a mouthpiece they roll out to make sound bites. Yeah, well, he can bite me too. ;0)
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
I was there that night and saw the situation as well. They also took my info as a witness. I side with the police on this one, sorry. The girl who got arrested was stoned out of her mind, argumentative and clearly off her nut. I had seen her and her friend earlier skating on Main Street. They were skating on the sidewalk at that time, and they fell down numerous times as well as nearly crashed drunkenly into lines of people waiting to get into clubs. She had been warned by the police on Main Street about her conduct before she was finally ticketed and arrested on Elm Street. The "tiny girl" on skates had been told before not to skate in the street by the police, and as you said, was arrested and in the process of being ticketed for her conduct. She was breaking the law. Right now, the most common arrest in Deep Ellum is NOT assault, breaking and entering, or any other violent crime; it is PUBLIC INTOXICATION. Michelle was a prime object lesson for this. She was arrested, and not only failed to follow the instructions of the police, she was an ass about it. She was skating in the middle of a BUSY street, if she had been hit by a car, you would all be crawling up the butt of the police asking why they DIDN'T stop her from skating in the street. Or are you now advocating that people go roller skating in the middle of a busy street on a weekend night? Perhaps we should have a skating party on the 75 next Saturday? As civillians, we need to respect the police. Even if we disagree with them. There are structures in place to dispute the actions of the police. The middle of Elm Street is NOT a place to do this. Also, you NEVER have a right to swing at a police officer, even if you are drunk. It is their job to protect us from harm, even when that harm is coming from our own actions (like a drunken girl who wants to rollerskate in the MIDDLE OF A BUSY STREET). You laughingly play it down as she gave "a little attitude" when in fact she was extremely disrespectful and got what she deserved. She was intoxicated, breaking the law and endangering her life and the lives of the drivers in the area, I really don't see how her weight comes into play there. She resisted arrest, and fell to the ground in the scuffle, so what? I would be FAR more concerned if the officer was NOT able to control her. So she got cut... big deal. She resisted arrest. She should not have done that. The officer has been on the force for 12 years and has been written up 3 times. That is immaterial. It does not show a "pattern" of abusive behavior. Clearly each incident was addressed or he would not be serving on the force presently. It is hack journalism to try to paint the police officer as being in the wrong for doing his job because of 3 write ups over a 12 YEAR SPAN. She was drunk and under arrest, she should not have resisted. Had she not resisted, she would have been ticketed and relased... unharmed. It is amazing that you all are trying to portray this idiotic, offensive and drunken female as a victim... The cops did their job, and did it well. She got what she deserved. Perhaps you all will learn a little respect the police from this lesson.
Hi Richard, First, welcome to 4um. I'm sure your account will inspire a lot of commentary. A few questions: Did you see her "swing" at the police officer? She wasn't simply "cut" as you suggest. Her face was badly scraped up and there is enough blood in the street to form a small puddle. How can you suggest the officer used sufficient minimal force, as police are supposed to be trained to do, with that kind of harm inflicted? I for one don't defend reckless behavior that endangers others. But being drunk and/or stoned and argumentative does not justify overwhelming crushing force. Even if she did take a swing at the officer, it does not justify scraping her face against the road and cutting her so badly.
BTW: I have a better name for the software .... Microsoft Internet Exploder. She got what she deserved. Perhaps you all will learn a little respect the police from this lesson. You were doing pretty good until the last couple of lines. Saying that "she got what she deserved" and "perhaps you all will learn a little respect" is where you went over the high side. I remember my stepfather and the discussions we had concerning things like liberty and privacy, and his big answer was always "if you're not doing anything wrong, you don't have anything to worry about". Trying to explain why that was wrong to him was like trying to explain calculus to a chimpanzee, he simply had no facility to be able to understand the concept, it was utterly beyond him, and sadly that proved true about all of his cop friends as well. Some people understand liberty, most people don't. Those who spout sayings like "she got what she deserved" and "perhaps you will learn a little respect" fall into the camp of those who don't.
“I can not comment on his state of mind,” said Lt. Rick Watson, a Dallas PD spokesman.
#43. To: All (#42)
“I can not comment on his state of mind,” said Lt. Rick Watson, a Dallas PD spokesman.
#44. To: ALL (#43)
#45. To: Richard (#44)
-- George Bonser
#46. To: Richard (#44)
The cops did their job, and did it well.
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#47. To: Neil McIver (#45)
Neil, Yes, I did see her swing at the officer. She was cut on the face, and facial lacerations bleed a lot. She was not severly harmed. The bottom line is simple: If she had not resisted, she would not have been harmed, nor taken into custody. She would have been cited and released. If you are trying to say that it is "ok" for her to take a swing at a police officer, then you lose from the start. In whose world is it "ok" to swing on the people who are here to protect us from the kinds of people who have such disregard for our society that they would swing on the police? She got what she deserved.
"Even if she did take a swing at the officer, it does not justify scraping her face against the road and cutting her so badly."
#48. To: Richard (#44)
Hi Richard, and welcome. About the above comment, no, we don't have to respect the police. I don't and I was a member for years. Today they've become nothing more that revenue collectors for local government - heavy handed ones at that. What they did to this girl is the real crime, imo. Having spent nearly 15 years on the NYPD, beginning in the late 60's, I saw lots of serious criminal activity. Roller skating, even under the influence, isn't one of them. I can think of countless ways a 250 pound, trained police officer could have handled this, but this guy seemingly chose the least civilian friendly method. I believe a Dallas PD spokesman (Watson) was interviewed for the article? Well, let the spin begin. This goof is going to need spin. Those pictures paint an ugly picture. If this were my daughter that cop would have one pissed off ex cop all over his butt. Lets see how this all shakes out. At the very least the guy should be fired, sued and possibly jailed.
As civillians, we need to respect the police.
#49. To: Elliott Jackalope (#46)
Elliot, She did get what she deserved, and you all are showing a great amount of disrespect for the police. Your stepfather was right, if you are not doing anything wrong, then you don't have anything to worry about. Michelle WAS doing things wrong, MANY things. She was intoxicated in public. She was rollerskating in the middle of a busy street. She was NOT listening respectfully to the police when they tried to peacefully resolve the matter. She was resisting arrest. So... The cops did their job, and they did it well. If you don't respect the police, then you don't respect society, Elliot. The police are put in place by society to keep us safe from people like Michelle. If I had been driving down Elm and hit her because she was rollerskating in the street because the police saw her and did nothing, you would be screaming at the police for their inaction. Can't have it both ways, Elliot. The police did their job, they stopped someone who was breaking the law. She got what she deserved and perhaps will learn NOT to resist arrest next time.
#50. To: Richard (#49)
We are going to have to agree to disagree, Richard. I don't respect the police, not any longer, not when they say things like "ignorance of the law is no excuse" but then cannot even tell me how many laws there are that I have no right to be ignorant of. The line is drawn, you are on one side and I am on the other. At least you are honorable enough to have a clear position and the will to defend it, but I will never agree with those who believe that "if you are doing nothing wrong, then you have nothing to worry about".
| Gold and silver are real money, paper is but a promise. |
#51. To: Jethro Tull (#48)
Hi Jethro, First off, I appreciate and acknowledge your service to this country. That said, in this instance, you were not present at the scene, I was. The girl was rollerskating in the middle of a busy street and the police asked her nicely to stop. She did not. Then, when they were going to give her a ticket for her actions, she got violent. The police begain with a civillain friendly method - Michelle chose to take Door #2. Are you suggesting, as a 15 year vet of the NYPD, that if a woman took a swing at you that you would simply laugh it off and release her? I don't think so. The officer in question subdued his attacker, plain and simple. He should not be fired, sued nor jailed for his actions. You were not there, Jethro, I was.
#52. To: Richard (#49)
I'd feel safer with Michelle keeping me safe from your cop
The police are put in place by society to keep us safe from people like Michelle.
#53. To: Jethro Tull, Richard, Neil McIver (#48)
I agree with you JT. I'm sure there's a lot of fine police fellows, just as there are in any profession. even among drug smugglers there's some fine people. but the police in this country have done so many horrible things. How can we respect them any more! As far as Richard's commentary - I am skeptical of it. an eye-witness - how convenient. there's no excuse for drawing all that blood from someone, especially a woman.
we don't have to respect the police
#54. To: Elliott Jackalope (#50)
Elliot, I am not sure how your discussion of the concept "if you are doing nothing wrong, then you have nothing to worry about" comes into play in this matter. What we have here is a woman who was first told by the police nicely that her actions were unlawful and asked to stop. When she continued to do the actions that she was just TOLD were unlawful, she was arrested and given a ticket for her actions. She was NOT doing nothing wrong. She was KNOWINGLY doing wrong. Then, while under arrest, she assaulted the police officer. Now, I acknowledge that there are many laws and we don't know them all... but come on... we ALL know that you can't take a swing at a police officer when you are under arrest. How are you saying that Michelle was ignorant of the law? She was warned first, so she was NOT ignorant of the law. If she had obeyed the law at that point, none of this would have happened.
#55. To: Richard (#51)
LOL - Thanks, but I didn't serve the country. For me it was the NYPD or Vietnam. I chose the paycheck, over an illegal war. If she took a swing at me, I'd have grabbed her arm and cuffed her. No takedown, complete with a knee in the back, was necessary. I realize you were there, and I think your testimony will be invaluable in the civil portion of this matter. Just repeat exactly what you have in this post. It reeks of excessive force.
First off, I appreciate and acknowledge your service to this country.
#56. To: Red Jones (#53)
Red, Wow, you are quite the conspiracy theorist to presume that I am lying about being an eye-witness to this idiotic woman's behavior. What would I possibly stand to gain? The police have my information and I told them I would be happy to testify if needed. Perhaps you think they are paying me? Sorry... I live in Deep Ellum and am sick to death of the drunken idiots that think that "the man" is there to keep them down. The police are there to protect the law abiding citizens from the rest of you. Michelle was drunk and skating in the middle of the street. She was told not to skate in the street and chose to do so anyway. You are upset because the police arrested a woman? How incredibly sexist of you. Would you have felt better if she had successfully managed to gouge out the officers eye as she was trying to do? Then would his actions be justified? Sorry, Red, but you really don't have much ground to stand on here if you are trying to introduce the sex of the criminal as justification for her actions.
#57. To: Red Jones (#53)
When we stop respecting them Red, they might start behaving. Same goes for most forms of government that I can think of. None are worthy of my respect.
#58. To: Richard (#54)
Here's the problem: It simply doesn't matter what the circumstances were leading up to this incident, the result was a 250 lb black officer beating a 100 lb white woman bloody. Now, imagine if this situation were turned around, and it was a 250 lb white officer beating a 100 lb black woman bloody. When rule of law becomes rule of force, facts cease to matter and appearances become everything. Yes, it's unfair, but it is also the way things are. Where are the victims of this woman's actions? Is there a single person who was harmed by what she was doing? I don't see anyone else lying broken and bloodied by her actions, but I see a lot of blood on the ground from what the cop did to her. My stepfather used to practice his "take-down" moves they taught him at the CHP academy on me, and I know for a fact that cops have a lot of ways to deal with people that don't involve cracking their heads open. This woman stupidly chose to take a drunken swing at a cop, for that she should be prosecuted in a court of law. But this officer had a lot of different ways to deal with the situation, he chose a method that spilled a fair amount of blood, and that's going to cause problems.
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#59. To: Jethro Tull (#55)
Jethro, Yes, in fact, you DID serve your country by serving the city of New York. Perhaps you don't see the bigger picture, but in any event, your work is appreciated. So you would have grabber her arm and cuffed her? Simple as that, eh? And it always goes smoothly, because the criminal does not continue to resist? LOL This was not a "little girl" but a professional rollerderby skater. She knew how to fight and chose to do so at her own peril. She lost. As she should. I will be happy to testify to her illegal and violent behavior in court if asked to do so.
#60. To: Elliott Jackalope (#58)
Elliot. Here is where you lose all credibility. Race does not enter into this matter at all. It is offensive of you to even suggest that they do. Also, to assert that the events preceeding her arrest do not factor into things is ridiculous. Furthermore, she was not "BEATEN" as you try to portray, she was simply taken to the ground and handcuffed. The cut she got came because she was resisting arrest (which, by the by, is a CRIME) and was taken to the ground. And FINALLY "Where are the victims of this woman's actions? Is there a single person who was harmed by what she was doing?" SO... you assert that if NO ONE IS HARMED THERE IS NO CRIME? Ok, so when I go to rob a bank, and shove a gun in the face of the teller, but DON'T pull the trigger because she gives me the money... ACCORDING TO YOU I HAVE NOT COMMITTED A CRIME BECAUSE NO ONE WAS HURT??? What a frightening world you live in, Elliot. "This woman stupidly chose to take a drunken swing at a cop, for that she should be prosecuted in a court of law. But this officer had a lot of different ways to deal with the situation, he chose a method that spilled a fair amount of blood, and that's going to cause problems. " YES, this woman stupidly chose to RESIST ARREST and ASSAULT A POLICE OFFICER. The officer did his job by subding the violent offender. He did have lots of different ways to do this. He could have maced her. He could have used his baton on her. He could have used his tazer. He could have shot her. BUT... he didn't, because those methods were excessive given the circumstances. He took her to the ground and handcuffed her. He did not beat her, he simply subdued her.
#61. To: Jethro Tull (#57)
Jethro, Perhaps you should consider leaving the country if you are not willing to respect the laws of this one.
#62. To: Richard (#60)
Ok, so when I go to rob a bank, and shove a gun in the face of the teller, but DON'T pull the trigger because she gives me the money... ACCORDING TO YOU I HAVE NOT COMMITTED A CRIME BECAUSE NO ONE WAS HURT??? What a frightening world you live in, Elliot. That argument is sophomoric beyond belief. You're a good little boot-licker, I'll give you that much...
SO... you assert that if NO ONE IS HARMED THERE IS NO CRIME?
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#63. To: Richard (#59)
Richard, trust me, I didn't. I'm not entirely sure if the statute of limitations are expired on.....oh, never mind....(g)
Yes, in fact, you DID serve your country by serving the city of New York.
#64. To: Elliott Jackalope (#62)
Elliot, You are saying that because she had no visible victim, because no one got hurt as a result of her actions then she should not have been arrested. Fine. Then I should be able to go 140 down the middle of downtown Dallas, or in a school zone in the afternoon, provided I don't actually HIT anyone with my car, correct? It just does not work that way. You don't have to have a visible "victim" to be breaking the law. What you are suggesting is beyond idiotic and bordering on the surreal, Elliot.
#65. To: Richard, Jethro Tull (#61)
Perhaps you should consider leaving the country if you are not willing to respect the laws of this one. Yeah, JT, you hate America. Where have we heard this tripe before? ROTFLOL!
Jethro,
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
#66. To: BTP Holdings (#65)
I never suggest that he hated America. I was simply offering him an alternative to living in a country that he does not hold in high esteem. You read far too much into things, BTP
#67. To: Richard (#64)
Richard, you are being sophomoric again. ;0)
Then I should be able to go 140 down the middle of downtown Dallas, or in a school zone in the afternoon, provided I don't actually HIT anyone with my car, correct?
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
#68. To: Richard (#66)
No, I'm not. Unfortunately, I have to step out for a few hours. I'll expand on this later if you will be around.
You read far too much into things, BTP
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
#69. To: BTP Holdings (#67)
BTP I am simply dumbing down my game to the level of my comrade.... He suggested that if there is no visible victim, then there is no crime. That opens the door to a lot of things.
#70. To: Richard (#69)
That opens the door to a lot of things. Suggesting that there are crimes where there are no visible victims opens the door to a whole lot of things as well, Richard.
He suggested that if there is no visible victim, then there is no crime.
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#71. To: Richard (#69)
He suggested that if there is no visible victim, then there is no crime. That opens the door to a lot of things. Yes, it does open the door to many things. Be careful on which door you decide to twist the doorknob. From what I've seen here you have very little understanding of the proper role of police in society or the citizen's duty under corrupt government. Perhaps that is why you are a slave and haven't the slightest clue that you are so thoroughly bound. As I said above, we will continue this later. I have to go for now.
I am simply dumbing down my game to the level of my comrade....
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
#72. To: Elliott Jackalope (#70)
Yes, Elliot, it does. Under your new rules... I can drive as fast as I want, whenever or where ever I want. Even when I am drunk or high. I can fire my automatic weapons out of my office window in downtown dallas, provided I don't hit anyone or harm their property. I can also have sex with my 17 year old daughter now, according to you. My my... what a fun world you are offering us, Elliot. I can
#73. To: BTP Holdings (#71)
BTP... PLEASE do tell me what you think the proper rolle of the police in society is. Then tell me how that role was violated with the incident where Michelle was arrested after being warned, and then taken into custody after attacking the police. I am eager to hear this.
#74. To: Richard (#61)
I refuse to leave my country until Washington DC is set ablaze and there are 534 members of congress swinging from various trees. Ron Paul catches a break.
Perhaps you should consider leaving the country if you are not willing to respect the laws of this one.
#75. To: Richard (#72)
As opposed to the fun world your kind has given us, a world where I can't even go out and have a single drink at a nightclub for fear of getting a DUI on the way home, a world where the police can bust down my door and steal everything I own after saying the magic word "drugs", a world where citizens have fewer rights every day while the police gain additional powers every day. Yes, such a fun world the statists have given us.
| Gold and silver are real money, paper is but a promise. |
#76. To: Richard (#49)
Richard I concur with your observation, I think what you are missing is our contempt and mistrust of the police. Just wanted to set the record straight. Oh!.. and fuck society! It's for the children you know, mine.
.....and you all are showing a great amount of disrespect for the police.
“Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes...known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few…No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare.” – James Madison, Political Observations, 1795
#77. To: Elliott Jackalope (#75)
So Elliot, You would prefer to have a society where I can drive as fast as I want, even when I am drunk or stoned, rob a bank - provided I don't actually shoot anyone, and screw my daughter if she is horny? Lovely....
#78. To: Jethro Tull (#74)
NFW this asshole is for real. That would mean that there actually is a perfect asshole. More likely an "old freind" or Pys-op specialist like ................
Perhaps you should consider leaving the country if you are not willing to respect the laws of this one.
“Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes...known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few…No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare.” – James Madison, Political Observations, 1795
#79. To: Richard (#77)
My dog will handle that, again.
screw my daughter if she is horny?
Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?
#80. To: Hmmmmm (#78)
I was going to say I want sloppy seconds on his daughter, but I thought better...
#81. To: Jethro Tull (#80)
LOL... Well, in Elliot's World, you can!
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