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Title: Ann Coulter: FOX NEWS Anchored In Stupidity On 14th Amendment
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Published: Aug 20, 2015
Author: ANN
Post Date: 2015-08-20 14:45:09 by HAPPY2BME-4UM
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Based on the hysterical flailing at Donald Trump—He’s a buffoon! He’s a clown! He calls people names! He’s too conservative! He’s not conservative enough! He won’t give details! His details won’t work!—I gather certain Republicans are determined to drive him from the race. These same Republicans never object to other candidates who lack traditional presidential resumes—Carly Fiorina, Ben Carson, Newt Gingrich and Herman Cain, to name a few. I’m beginning to suspect it’s all about Trump’s opposition to mass immigration from the Third World. Amid the hysteria, Trump is the only one speaking clearly and logically, while his detractors keep making utter asses of themselves. By my count—so far—Fiorina, Chris Christie, Rick Perry and the entire Fox News commentariat are unfamiliar with a period of the nation’s history known as “the Civil War.” They seem to believe that the post-Civil War amendments were designed to ensure that the children of illegal aliens would be citizens, “anchor babies,” who can then bring in the whole family. (You wouldn’t want to break up families, would you?) As FNC’s Bill O’Reilly authoritatively informed Donald Trump on Tuesday night: “The 14th Amendment says if you’re born here, you’re an American!” I cover anchor babies in about five pages of my book, Adios, America, but apparently Bill O’Reilly and the rest of the scholars on Fox News aren’t what we call “readers.” Still, how could anyone—even a not-very-bright person—imagine that granting citizenship to the children of illegal aliens is actually in our Constitution? I know the country was exuberant after the war, but I really don’t think our plate was so clear that Americans were consumed with passing a constitutional amendment to make illegal aliens’ kids citizens. Put differently: Give me a scenario—just one scenario—where guaranteeing the citizenship of children born to illegals would be important to Americans in 1868. You can make it up. It doesn’t have to be a true scenario. Any scenario! You know what’s really bothering me? If someone comes into the country illegally and has a kid, that kid should be an American citizen! Damn straight they should! We’ve got to codify that. YOU MEAN IT’S NOT ALREADY IN THE CONSTITUTION? No, it isn’t, but that amendment will pass like wildfire! It’s like being accused of robbing a homeless person. (1) I didn’t; (2) WHY WOULD I DO THAT? “Luckily,” as FNC’s Shannon Bream put it Monday night, Fox had an “expert” to explain the details: Judge Andrew Napolitano, Fox’s senior judicial analyst. Napolitano at least got the century right. He mentioned the Civil War—and then went on to inform Bream that the purpose of the 14th Amendment was to—I quote—”make certain that the former slaves and the Native Americans would be recognized as American citizens no matter what kind of prejudice there might be against them.” Huh. In 1884, 16 years after the 14th Amendment was ratified, John Elk, who—as you may have surmised by his name—was an Indian, had to go to the Supreme Court to argue that he was an American citizen because he was born in the United States. He lost. In Elk v. Wilkins, 112 U.S. 94, the Supreme Court ruled that the 14th Amendment did not grant Indians citizenship. The “main object of the opening sentence of the Fourteenth Amendment,” the court explained—and not for the first or last time—”was to settle the question, upon which there had been a difference of opinion throughout the country and in this court, as to the citizenship of free negroes and to put it beyond doubt that all persons, white or black … should be citizens of the United States and of the state in which they reside.” American Indians were not made citizens until 1924. Lo those 56 years after the ratification of the 14th Amendment, Indians were not American citizens, despite the considered opinion of Judge Napolitano. Of course it’s easy for legal experts to miss the welter of rulings on Indian citizenship inasmuch as they obtained citizenship in a law perplexingly titled: “THE INDIAN CITIZENSHIP ACT OF 1924.” Yeah, Trump’s the idiot. Or as Bream said to Napolitano after his completely insane analysis, “I feel smarter just having been in your presence.” The only reason the 14th Amendment doesn’t just come out and say “black people” is that—despite our Constitution being the product of vicious racists, who were dedicated to promoting white privilege and keeping down the black man (Hat tip: Ta-Nehisi Coates)—the Constitution never, ever mentions race. Nonetheless, until Fox News’ scholars weighed in, there was little confusion about the purpose of the 14th Amendment. It was to “correct”—as Jack Nicholson said in “The Shining”—the Democrats, who refused to acknowledge that they lost the Civil War and had to start treating black people like citizens. On one hand, we have noted legal expert Bill O’Reilly haranguing Donald Trump: “YOU WANT ME TO QUOTE YOU THE AMENDMENT??? IF YOU’RE BORN HERE YOU’RE AN AMERICAN. PERIOD! PERIOD!” (No, Bill—there’s no period. More like: “comma,” to parents born “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States “and of the state wherein they reside.”) But on the other hand, we have Justice John Marshall Harlan II, who despite not being a Fox News legal expert, was no slouch. He wrote in the 1967 case, Afroyim v. Rusk, that the sponsors of the 14th Amendment feared that: “Unless citizenship were defined, freedmen might, under the reasoning of the Dred Scott decision, be excluded by the courts from the scope of the amendment. It was agreed that, since the ‘courts have stumbled on the subject,’ it would be prudent to remove the ‘doubt thrown over’ it. The clause would essentially overrule Dred Scott and place beyond question the freedmen’s right of citizenship because of birth.” It is true that in a divided 1898 case, U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, the Supreme Court granted citizenship to the children born to legal immigrants, with certain exceptions, such as for diplomats. But that decision was so obviously wrong, even the Yale Law Journal ridiculed it. The majority opinion relied on feudal law regarding citizenship in a monarchy, rather than the Roman law pertaining to a republic—the illogic of which should be immediately apparent to American history buffs, who will recall an incident in our nation’s history known as “the American Revolution.” Citizenship in a monarchy was all about geography—as it is in countries bristling with lords and vassals, which should not be confused with this country. Thus, under the majority’s logic in Wong Kim Ark, children born to American parents traveling in England would not be American citizens, but British subjects. As ridiculous as it was to grant citizenship to the children born to legal immigrants under the 14th Amendment (which was about what again? That’s right: slaves freed by the Civil War), that’s a whole order of business different from allowing illegal aliens to sneak across the border, drop a baby and say, Ha-ha! You didn’t catch me! My kid’s a citizen—while Americans curse impotently under their breath. As the Supreme Court said in Elk: “[N]o one can become a citizen of a nation without its consent.” The anchor baby scam was invented 30 years ago by a liberal zealot, Justice William Brennan, who slipped a footnote into a 1982 Supreme Court opinion announcing that the kids born to illegals on U.S. soil are citizens. Fox News is treating Brennan’s crayon scratchings on the Constitution as part of our precious national inheritance. Judge Richard Posner of the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals is America’s most-cited federal judge—and, by the way, no friend to conservatives. In 2003, he wrote a concurrence simply in order to demand that Congress pass a law to stop “awarding citizenship to everyone born in the United States.” The purpose of the 14th Amendment, he said, was “to grant citizenship to the recently freed slaves,” adding that “Congress would not be flouting the Constitution” if it passed a law “to put an end to the nonsense.” In a statement so sane that Posner is NEVER going to be invited on Fox News, he wrote: “We should not be encouraging foreigners to come to the United States solely to enable them to confer U.S. citizenship on their future children. But the way to stop that abuse of hospitality is to remove the incentive by changing the rule on citizenship.” Forget the intricate jurisprudential dispute between Fox News blowhards and the most-cited federal judge. How about basic common sense? Citizenship in our nation is not a game of Red Rover with the Border Patrol! The Constitution does not say otherwise. Our history and our Constitution are being perverted for the sole purpose of dumping immigrants on the country to take American jobs. So far, only Donald Trump is defending black history on the issue of the 14th Amendment. Fox News is using black people as a false flag to keep cheap Third World labor flowing. Ann Coulter is the legal correspondent for Human Events and writes a popular syndicated column for Universal Press Syndicate. She is the author of TEN New York Times bestsellers—collect them here.
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#1. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#0)
Sadly, most Americans are TV educated.
They're "educated to ignorance"......
C-SPAN linked Map: Countries that Recognize Birthright Citizenship -- only America and Canada of the West and First World categories ... basically a map reflective of the "North American Union" agendists planning to sprawl/redistrict their control grid eventually into the "North and South Americas Union" ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Washington Journal | News Headlines | Viewer Calls - Video - C-SPAN.org AUGUST 20, 2015 [Yesterday morning - 1 hour video of the program below + at the site with transcript included] Open Phones News headlines were read and phone lines were open for viewer calls on the question: “Should the U.S. end birthright citizenship?” George Washington University law professor Jonathan Turley also spoke by phone about the history of the 14th Amendment and arguments both for and against birthright citizenship. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
======================================= Notice how the US is slowly patterning its government after England and Canada. IIRC, Canada's constitution includes anchor babies. U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
Don't tell me all of South America does this????? Except the Guianas -- that would make reggin countries the smartest on the continent. Hope you're wrong, for once, on this.
Thanks. Watch later. U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
C-SPAN linked article with Youtube video [4.75 minutes]: Video: Jon Feere - Birthright Citizenship: Is it the Right Policy for America? - YouTube Published on Jul 29, 2015 by CIS Testimony [Center for Immigration Studies] Statement of Jon Feere Article: Birthright Citizenship: Is it the Right Policy for America?; Excerpts: By Jon Feere April 2015 U.S. House of Representatives Committee on the Judiciary While it is unclear for how long the U.S. government has followed this practice of universal, automatic “birthright citizenship” without regard to the duration or legality of the mother’s presence, the issue has garnered increased attention for a number of reasons. there has been a bipartisan effort to end birthright citizenship legislatively. Multiple legislative efforts to clarify the appropriate scope of the Citizenship Clause have been proposed by both Republican and Democrat politicians, as there remains much debate about who should be considered “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States. In 1993, Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) introduced legislation what would limit birthright citizenship to the children of U.S. citizens and legally resident aliens, and similar bills have been introduced by other legislators in nearly every Congress since. Few Countries Grant Automatic Citizenship to Children of Illegal Immigrants Only 30 of the world’s 194 countries grant automatic citizenship to children born to illegal aliens.8 Of advanced economies, as rated by the International Monetary Fund, Canada and the United States are the only countries that grant automatic citizenship to children born to illegal aliens. No European country grants automatic citizenship to children of illegal aliens. The global trend is moving away from automatic birthright citizenship as many countries that once had such policies have ended them in recent decades. Countries that have ended universal birthright citizenship include the United Kingdom, which ended the practice in 1983, Australia (1986), India (1987), Malta (1989), Ireland, which ended the practice through a national referendum in 2004, New Zealand (2006), and the Dominican Republic, which ended the practice in January 2010. The reasons countries have ended automatic birthright citizenship are diverse, but have resulted from concerns not all that different from the concerns of many in the United States. Increased illegal immigration is the main motivating factor in most countries. Birth tourism was one of the reasons Ireland ended automatic birthright citizenship in 2004.9 If the United States were to stop granting automatic citizenship to children of illegal immigrants, it would be following an international trend. Some countries which currently recognize automatic birthright citizenship are considering changing the policy. Mexico has a unique citizenship policy in that the country’s constitution grants automatic nationality to anyone born in Mexico, but not automatic citizenship. This is true even of children born to Mexican citizens. When a Mexican reaches the age of 18, they then acquire citizenship. Mexican government officials with whom I spoke were uncertain how often their country grants nationality or citizenship to children born to illegal immigrants. The effort Mexico makes to discourage immigration indicates that this may be a rare occurrence. For example, the Mexican Constitution, among other things, allows the government to expel any immigrant for any reason without due process.14 The constitution also severely limits the property rights of immigrants and requires immigrants to get permission from the government to own land; even if permission is granted, the immigrant can never own land within 100 kilometers of land borders nor land within 50 kilometers of the coasts.15 An immigrant wishing to change these rules will have difficulty as the Mexican Constitution states that only citizens are entitled to participate in Mexico’s political affairs.16 Even with Mexico’s form of birthright citizenship, any child born to illegal immigrants or even legal immigrants in Mexico is barred from becoming president of Mexico; not only must the Mexican president be born in Mexico, but so must at least one of his parents.17 While Mexico may grant citizenship to children born to illegal aliens, the nation’s constitution clearly imputes a second-class status on children of immigrants. Additionally, many countries which do recognize birthright citizenship are not necessarily quick to grant citizenship to all people within their jurisdiction. It is also important to remember that some of the countries which do automatically grant citizenship to children of illegal immigrants may not have much illegal immigration at all. For this reason, comparing countries like Fiji to the United States, for example, may be somewhat disingenuous; Fiji has an estimated illegal immigrant population of 2,000 people, while the United States has an estimated illegal immigrant population of up to 12 million.18 Moreover, not all countries which recognize birthright citizenship allow the child to initiate chain migration by petitioning to have additional family members enter. Consequently, some countries are able to avoid some of the problems associated with birthright citizenship experienced in the United States. Perhaps most instructive is the clarity with which most other nations have authored their respective citizenship laws. Most countries’ citizenship laws contain very little ambiguity and do not require one to conduct a historical analysis or seek judicial clarification for the purpose of determining intent. A Constitutional Amendment Is Not Necessary To Change the Scope of the Citizenship Clause A constitutional amendment would likely be necessary if the 14th Amendment’s Citizenship Clause clearly directed citizenship be granted to children of temporary aliens. However, there is no evidence that Congress intended that children of tourists or illegal aliens, for example, be included within the scope of the Citizenship Clause. Some argue that Congress cannot pass legislation relating to matters addressed in the Constitution in an attempt to change the scope or interpretation of amendments. Of course, Congress routinely considers legislation relating to constitutional amendments When it comes to the 14th Amendment’s Citizenship Clause, there are volumes of writings on the meaning of “subject to the jurisdiction thereof”, which would seem to open up the door to some legislative clarification. Furthermore, in the case of the Citizenship Clause, the Congress that authored the amendment had never contemplated the phenomenon of illegal immigration or birth tourism, making it hard to conclude that the Citizenship Clause was designed to include the children of such individuals. In fact, there has been a bipartisan effort to end birthright citizenship legislatively. Multiple legislative efforts to clarify the appropriate scope of the Citizenship Clause have been proposed by both Republican and Democrat politicians, as there remains much debate about who should be considered “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States. In 1993, Sen. Harry Reid (D- Nev.) introduced legislation what would limit birthright citizenship to the children of U.S. citizens and legally resident aliens, and similar bills have been introduced by other legislators in nearly every Congress since. It may be the case that even legislation is not necessary to change birthright citizenship policy. It is arguable that the Executive Branch could change the way in which the 14th Amendment is applied, particularly in light of President Obama’s recent unilateral [Nullification] actions on immigration. Birth Tourists, the Obama Administration’s Policies, and Fraud Birth tourists interpret the 14th Amendment as a means to obtain residency for anyone who travels to the United States on any type of visa. Obviously, our visa systems were not designed to operate in this manner, What irks Americans about this situation is that birth tourists are effectively taking control over U.S. immigration and citizenship policy by turning a grant of temporary admission into a permanent stay. The practice of granting automatic birthright citizenship allows a seemingly temporary admission of one foreign visitor to result in a permanent increase in immigration and grants of citizenship that were not necessarily contemplated or welcomed by the American public. The growth of the birth tourism industry illustrates how the executive branch’s broad application of the Citizenship Clause can have the effect of transferring control over the nation’s immigration policy from the American people to foreigners. And there is broad agreement within the immigration debate that birth tourism does constitute fraud. it is fraud for a person to travel here as a tourist and conceal their real purpose, namely to add a U.S. passport holder to their family, a broad interpretation of our nation’s birthright citizenship clause is creating situations that threaten to break down the nation’s social cohesion. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reports that 896,363 women who gave birth in 2012 indicated that they were born outside of the United States. If only 2 or 3 percent of these births were to women who are engaging in birth tourism, it would mean the United States sees 18,000 to 27,000 births annually. While this number would be less than 1 percent of the roughly four million annual births in the United States, the aggregate number of birth tourists babies would still be large, especially the cumulative effect over a number of years. Some government agencies consider U.S. birth certificates and SSNs to indicate U.S. citizenship, despite the fact that children of foreign diplomats are receiving them. According to the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, a “birth certificate provides proof of citizenship.” I spoke with the Office of Personnel Management (OPM) which oversees employment for government jobs requiring U.S. citizenship. Since the U.S. is granting documents that give the appearance of U.S. citizenship to anyone and everyone at birth, the only option for OPM (and underlying agencies seeking employees) at this point would be to run the names of all job applicants through the State Department before clearing a person as an authorized U.S. citizen. Of course, this would be a significant undertaking, and it would depend on the State Department having a complete list of all children born to foreign diplomats — something that does not appear to be happening. There are more problems with this lack of focus on the birthright citizenship issue as it relates to children of foreign diplomats and they are detailed in the reported mentioned earlier, but one more point is worth noting: USCIS considers children born to foreign diplomats to be Legal Permanent Residents (LPR) at birth, though that was not always the case (8 § C.F.R. 1101.3). A couple of unpublished, decades-old court decisions made this so, and it is a questionable grant, not just because it raises plenary power issues (i.e. the right of the political branches to set immigration policy), but also because it seems to go against the intent of the 14th Amendment. Prior to these decisions, the government considered these children non-immigrants. The State Department is currently rewriting the agency’s guidelines on birthright citizenship, signaling a possibly significant departure from current 14th Amendment jurisprudence. In 1995, the State Department’s “Foreign Affairs Manual” (FAM) straightforwardly declared that children born on U.S. soil to foreign diplomats are not to be considered U.S. citizens While the reasoning attempts to push the idea that being “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” means the same thing as being susceptible to police force, such an interpretation is implausible.31 ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Great post. Thanks.
U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
It's been patterning government here in accordance with the "North American Union" agenda. England isn't shown on the map at #3 as an automatic Birthright Citizenship country. The U.S. is in the very small minority of countries in the world where the immigration policy on that issue is essentially being controlled for and by foreign interests instead of their own citizens. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
From the Center for Immigration Studies article at #7: ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
He lost. In Elk v. Wilkins, 112 U.S. 94, the Supreme Court ruled that the 14th Amendment did not grant Indians citizenship. The “main object of the opening sentence of the Fourteenth Amendment,” the court explained—and not for the first or last time—”was to settle the question, upon which there had been a difference of opinion throughout the country and in this court, as to the citizenship of free negroes and to put it beyond doubt that all persons, white or black … should be citizens of the United States and of the state in which they reside.” American Indians were not made citizens until 1924. Lo those 56 years after the ratification of the 14th Amendment, Indians were not American citizens, despite the considered opinion of Judge Napolitano. Of course it’s easy for legal experts to miss the welter of rulings on Indian citizenship inasmuch as they obtained citizenship in a law perplexingly titled: “THE INDIAN CITIZENSHIP ACT OF 1924.” Technically, until the 14th Amendment after the "Civil War", no American owed allegiance to the United States as a singular edifice -- just their own State. That was, for instance, something of a complicating factor in charges of Treason. Because America had accumulated massive WWI war debts, there was a Congressional push to remove the nationhood sovereignties of Native American, whether any of their nation-tribes agreed to that or not, to increase the tax revenue collections base here. Even with that, a Liberty War Bond still defaulted. Now we have much more massive debts, largely from wars, wars and more wars. The push to "reform immigration policy" for the inclusion of illegal aliens, their children born here and the importation of their foreign families, too, is likewise much about increasing the tax revenues collection base for massive "debt management" purposes. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Piercing stuff here. I always bust the "Native American" and "First Nations" buzzterms because Amerinds are NOT Americans as long as their first loyalty is to their tribe (which would be fine with me for any that aren't on the deecee or state dole). Many of them resent being called Americans, some like Vine Deloria are fine with it despite being supremacists (cf. his books We Shall Overrun and Custer Died for Your Sins). Each tribe's name translates into something like "real people" or "real men", implying the other tribes weren't human. Tribes' names or each other translate as "Cutthroats" etc., so they were not the original champions of diversity, inclusion or equality.
Each tribe's name translates into something like "real people" or "real men", implying the other tribes weren't human. Tribes' names or each other translate as "Cutthroats" etc., so they were not the original champions of diversity, inclusion or equality. They definitely weren't the original champions of diversity, inclusion or equality -- nor Open Borders either, as our early settlement history here and their intolerance of immigrants from Europe [genocided colonial groups] demonstrates. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
On the Native American/Amerind issue of citizenship, it should be kept in mind that Congress figured they could get away with that sweeping "naturalization policy", even if it was against their will, because there weren't other people in the world that it would effectively apply to. Same with the national and State citizenship application to freed slaves after the Civil War who might not have had citizenship yet in the States where they were born and lived. In both of those policy changes, Congress technically wasn't violating the Constitutional requirement to maintain a Uniform Rule of Naturalization because those naturalization acts only applied once to those specific groups indigenously as indigenous to America through the indigenous origins of their parents being legally reclassified as subject collectively by America's national citizenship law to the jurisdiction of the United States of America only -- not other globally attached citizenship laws of jurisdiction internationally. But that's not what the Congressional Putsch is about now to naturalize illegal aliens, who are actually subjects of foreign government and so are their "anchor baby" children, inherently. Basically, what Congress and the other Commies have been trying to do is to nullify the Uniform Rule of Naturalization clause of the Constitution to mean No More Uniform Rule of Naturaliztion Other Than No More Illegal Alien Status -- Hereafter, All Citizens of Other Countries Are Citizens of America Too. So, let us tax the world for America!, is what that seemingly translates to.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Plus which, "a world without borders" is a perpetual commie-Jue rallying cry. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/music_blog/2010/05/outernational-tom- morello-cover-deportees-to-protest-arizona-immigration-law.html "Pete had strong connections with Jews and the Jewish community. He sang plenty of Jewish and Israeli songs" http://forward.com/opinion/191774/pete-seegers-hometown-rabbi-remembers- when/#ixzz3jNRuN74a
Activating the paths you posted for ease of access: latimesblogs.latimes.com/music_blog ... deportees-to-protest-arizona-immigration-law ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Thank you very, very much. Teamwork!
By Jon Feere April 2015 U.S. House of Representatives Committee on the Judiciary [Nevada Democrat Senator] Harry Reid in 1993: "No Sane Country" Would Permit Birthright Citizenship - 43 second YouTube From the Description section: Couldn't have said it better ourselves. Except this was said in 1993 by Harry Reid who recently said the GOP had "taken leave of their senses" by daring to question birthright citizenship, and therefore he couldn't understand how "anyone of Hispanic descent could be a Republican". Sen. Harry Reid (D-NV) quote from the video: "Two-thirds of [all] babies born at taxpayer expense, county-run hospitals, in Los Angeles are born to illegal alien mothers." From a comment at the YouTube site: "Accord. to the Census Bureau, the hispanic pop. of Nevada DOUBLED btwn 1990 and 2000, and by 2006, there were 25% more voters, with hispanics making up 63% of the increase." 4um Title: EVERY MINUTE AND A HALF - Census: Anchor Baby Delivered Every 93 Seconds Additional sourcings for the Harry Reid video: ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
The majority opinion relied on feudal law regarding citizenship in a monarchy, rather than the Roman law pertaining to a republic—the illogic of which should be immediately apparent to American history buffs, who will recall an incident in our nation’s history known as “the American Revolution.” Citizenship in a monarchy was all about geography—as it is in countries bristling with lords and vassals, which should not be confused with this country. Thus, under the majority’s logic in Wong Kim Ark, children born to American parents traveling in England would not be American citizens, but British subjects. Presidential Eligibility Tutorial In 1881, President Chester Arthur appointed Horace Gray to the U.S. Supreme Court. Chester Arthur and Wong Kim Ark were born under similar circumstances; each was born in the United States, of a permanently-domiciled alien father. If Mr. Wong did not acquire U.S. citizenship at birth, neither did Chester Arthur. If Chester Arthur was not a U.S. citizen at birth, he could not have been a natural born citizen. Thus, the Court had to rule that Wong was at least a U.S. citizen at birth, in order to retroactively legitimize Arthur's presidency and appointment of Horace Gray to the Supreme Court (Historical Breakthrough - Chester Arthur). Natural Born Citizen: Respecting the Constitution_ Consider that Justice Gray was appointed by Chester Arthur, a man born of an alien father. And in 1898, when Wong was decided, had the public at large, and the Court at large, known that Arthur was born a British subject in the U.S., then there would have been no need to determine the citizenship fate of anyone else born in the country to alien parentage. If alien parentage didn’t stop old Chet from being President, why should it stop anyone else from being a citizen? Yet, Justice Gray never mentions the citizenship status of the man who appointed him. Gray controlled his own fate by presiding over an opinion, the outcome of which decided the very legitimacy of his appointment to the Supreme Court. And the appearance of impartiality has been destroyed by this sordid history. Whether Justice Gray knew Arthur was born of alien parentage is not as important as the objective appearance. This report continues the forensic investigation of whether Supreme Court Justice Horace Gray composed the infamous opinion in U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark to subversively cure the citizenship defects – and accompanying POTUS eligibility defects – of the man who appointed him to the bench. President Chester Arthur successfully defrauded the nation as to his parental heritage which established him to have been a British subject at birth, since his father failed to naturalize in the U.S. until 1843, fourteen years after Chester was born. More info at: Justice Horace Gray Clearly Indicated Wong Kim Ark Was Not a Natural Born Citizen. - Natural Born Citizen + Comments ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Interesting. Is Barack Obama a U.S. citizen? U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
Forget the intricate jurisprudential dispute between Fox News blowhards and the most-cited federal judge.
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C-SPAN linked Map: Countries that Recognize Birthright Citizenship -- only America and Canada of the West and First World categories ... basically a map reflective of the "North American Union" agendists planning to sprawl/redistrict their control grid eventually into the "North and South Americas Union"
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Center for Immigration Studies
U.S. House of Representatives Committee on the Judiciary
Subcommittee on Immigration and Border Security
April 29, 2015
Subcommittee on Immigration and Border Security
April 29, 2015
Statement of Jon Feere
Center for Immigration Studies Every year, 350,000 to 400,000 children are born to illegal immigrants in the United States. To put this another way, as many as one out of 10 births in the United States is now to an illegal immigrant mother. Despite the foreign citizenship and illegal status of the parent, the Executive Branch automatically recognizes these children as U.S. citizens upon birth, providing them Social Security numbers and U.S. passports. The same is true of children born to tourists and other aliens who are present in the United States in a legal but temporary status. It is unlikely that Congress intended such a broad application of the 14th Amendment’s Citizenship Clause, and the Supreme Court has only held that children born to citizens or permanently domiciled immigrants must be considered U.S. citizens at birth. Some clarity from Congress would be helpful in resolving this ongoing debate.
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Notice how the US is slowly patterning its government after England and Canada.
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Don't tell me all of South America does this????? Except the Guianas -- that would make reggin countries the smartest on the continent. Hope you're wrong, for once, on this.
Some countries which currently recognize automatic birthright citizenship are considering changing the policy.
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In 1884, 16 years after the 14th Amendment was ratified, John Elk, who—as you may have surmised by his name—was an Indian, had to go to the Supreme Court to argue that he was an American citizen because he was born in the United States.
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#14. To: NeoconsNailed (#13)
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I always bust the "Native American" and "First Nations" buzzterms because Amerinds are NOT Americans as long as their first loyalty is to their tribe (which would be fine with me for any that aren't on the deecee or state dole). Many of them resent being called Americans, some like Vine Deloria are fine with it despite being supremacists (cf. his books We Shall Overrun and Custer Died for Your Sins).
#15. To: NeoconsNailed (#13)
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#16. To: GreyLmist (#15)
#17. To: NeoconsNailed (#16)
#18. To: GreyLmist (#17)
#19. To: All (#8)
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Article: Birthright Citizenship: Is it the Right Policy for America? ; Excerpts:
Subcommittee on Immigration and Border Security
April 29, 2015
Statement of Jon Feere
Center for Immigration Studies there has been a bipartisan effort to end birthright citizenship legislatively. Multiple legislative efforts to clarify the appropriate scope of the Citizenship Clause have been proposed by both Republican and Democrat politicians, as there remains much debate about who should be considered “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States. In 1993, Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) introduced legislation what would limit birthright citizenship to the children of U.S. citizens and legally resident aliens, and similar bills have been introduced by other legislators in nearly every Congress since.
Uploaded on Aug 18, 2010 by Stand With Arizona
The growing industry of “birth tourism” is so large that even California’s government recently cracked down on the illegal — but rarely suppressed — trade.
soopermexican.com [SOOPER. MEXY. CONSERVATIVE], through the URL Source of the opening post at 4um Ref. 1; and at the bizpacreview.com URL Source of 4um Ref. 2 + through therightscoop.com link within that page, as well.
#20. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#0)
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in a divided 1898 case, U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, the Supreme Court granted citizenship to the children born to legal immigrants, with certain exceptions, such as for diplomats. But that decision was so obviously wrong, even the Yale Law Journal ridiculed it.
In U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark (1898), the Opinion of the Court was written by Justice Horace Gray. The Court did not explicitly rule that Mr. Wong was a natural born citizen; it merely ruled that he was a citizen.
[A] controversial opinion concerns U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark [See also at: law.cornell.edu]. The majority opinion is 55 single spaced pages long, and the dissent weighs in at 27. The majority opinion was composed by Justice Horace Gray,
#21. To: GreyLmist (#20)
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