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Title: Would a Return to Conscription Substantially Reduce the Probability of War?
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URL Source: http://www.econlib.org/library/Colu ... 015/Hendersonconscription.html
Published: Sep 14, 2015
Author: David R. Henderson*
Post Date: 2015-09-14 07:27:49 by Ada
Keywords: None
Views: 181
Comments: 13

One of the biggest victories for freedom to which economists contributed in the last third of the 20th century was the abolition of military conscription.1 Some economists argued that the draft was an extreme violation of individual liberty because it forcibly put people in jobs—and not just any jobs, but jobs in which they could be killed in a foreign war. Virtually all economists who participated in the debate also pointed out a subtle economic point: that conscription would, by imposing costs on those conscripted, actually make military manpower more, not less, expensive.2 An increasingly common argument for the draft, though, and one made especially by foreign policy intellectuals, is that the draft would put the children of the rich and powerful at risk and, therefore, cause their parents to raise more objections than otherwise to military adventurism. That argument is superficially plausible. But a careful look at economic incentives shows that the case for using a draft to prevent a war is weak. In any plausible draft, the rich and powerful would have a cheaper and surer way to shield their children from harm than by devoting resources to stopping or preventing a war.

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#1. To: Ada (#0)

Initiating a draft would cause millions currently immune from military service to reconsider the value of their own lives. Upon consideration of their own health, scores would reject the draft and the war, just like finally occurred during the Vietnam era.

Bring on the draft and watch the protests !

"Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day".

"The almighty Dollar ain't worth a buck".

Doug Scheidt

noone222  posted on  2015-09-14   7:50:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Ada (#0)

The draft is unfair to all people, it is a form a slavery. The rich can buy their way out, the poor and the middle class have few options. In the late 60's and early 70's a lot of the middle class people went to Canada and the poor died in combat. With the draft, the government has a lot of cannon fodder, so the military does not care.

Darkwing  posted on  2015-09-14   8:01:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: noone222 (#1)

Initiating a draft would cause millions currently immune from military service to reconsider the value of their own lives.

The draft IS coming.

Friends of ours here that have never dealt with it, will have a rude awakening when their grand children are hauled away to kill or be killed.

I was around when Roosevelt instituted his draft, also was around when Truman went for the draft.....BOTH WERE INSTITUTED IN PEACE TIME....

The cause is quite simple. We can no longer afford to pay millions that are on welfare and military payrolls. One has to go and it will not be the welfare rolls.

Pay in 1940 for the military draftee was $26 a month, Korean war it was $76 a month.

Economics...Why pay a person from the bottom of society $18,000 a year to volunteer, when he can be dragged in for less than minimum wage?

That draft we feel, is not a cold wind.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-09-14   9:09:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Cynicom (#3)

I believe I only received 88 dollars/month when I enlisted.

I think resistance to the draft will be monumental.

"Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day".

"The almighty Dollar ain't worth a buck".

Doug Scheidt

noone222  posted on  2015-09-14   9:19:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: noone222, Cynicom, 4 (#4)

The warfare/welfare state will end badly for all of US.

It is simply unsustainable in its current format.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-09-14   9:26:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: noone222 (#4)

I think resistance to the draft will be monumental.

I would disagree,, having lived through two of them during peacetime, no war. Seeing kids dragged by force from their homes, by armed squads of men, has the effect of dampening any fervor for dissent.

They came for me in 1952, FBI and police, for being a draft dodger. They were like bounty hunters of old, of course all of them were exempt from the draft.

They were really irritated to learn there would be no bounty score for that day as I was in Korea and wanting to come home.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-09-14   9:39:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Cynicom (#3)

Friends of ours here that have never dealt with it, will have a rude awakening when their grand children are hauled away to kill or be killed.

HOLD IT. Since when does anybody care about their descendants killing or being killed -- if it's in the noble name of stopping terrorism, spreading democracy and all that rubbish?

I really wish they'd start a draft. It could liven things up, but probably wouldn't -- people are, IMHO, that far gone. The Jue establishment went after the Vietnam (etc.) war, draft etc because they saw it was a direct route to shattering amerika domestically. Kill us off in uniform on the other side of the world, foment raging factionalism stateside -- it's a formula they've never beat yet.

Today (40-60 years later) they're still killing Anglo-Saxon youth that way but also fomenting literal civil war here between races, creeds, sexualities. Nothing's going to change until a critical mass of amerikans are willing to admit the Jue factor -- and it ain't gonna happen.

Is there anybody I'm not demoralizing on this? I'll have to try harder :-)

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-09-14   9:51:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Cynicom (#6)

I would disagree,, having lived through two of them during peacetime,

That was then and in peace time. Men had more reason to be compliant/patriotic in the good old days ! (This draft would have to include women, queers and trannies, as well). Hilarious !

We can agree to disagree.

"Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day".

"The almighty Dollar ain't worth a buck".

Doug Scheidt

noone222  posted on  2015-09-14   9:52:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: noone222 (#8)

That was then and in peace time. Men had more reason to be compliant/patriotic in the good old days !

In my time it was fear, that told me to "volunteer", patriotism was something promoted only by those that were never going to go to war.

We read reams about the "patriotic fervor" of the young at onset of WWII. THAT IS AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN PURE BULLSHIT PROPAGANDA.

It never existed, it was manufactured by the government/media and those that knew they were safe.

Photos of kids standing in line at recruiting centers at onset of WWII wanting to volunteer to do their duty was then, is now nonsense.

We were not that stupid nor patriotic. All that "patriotism" was corn fed bullshit by Hollywood/government/media.

I was there, never met anyone stupid enough to want to die. Many members of my family went, not a one did it from "patriotism".

Cynicom  posted on  2015-09-14   10:12:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Cynicom, noone222, 4 (#9)

breakdown of WWII service people -

www.nationalww2museum.org...-numbers/us-military.html

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-09-14   10:35:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Darkwing (#2)

I know someone who fled to Hawaii and went surfing, the feds eventually caught up to him and weren't too harsh, they demanded he sign ,as he puts it, to affirm that he was 'either a fag or a jesus freak,' he told them fuck that shit, I am neither., he still did not have to go and did not register, and didn't go to prison. its hilarious to watch him describe the whole thing. he just knew that he didn't want to go kill foreigners for nothing or be killed for the same.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2015-09-14   11:36:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Cynicom, lod (#9)

In my time it was fear, that told me to "volunteer", patriotism was something promoted only by those that were never going to go to war.

can you explain why fear would told you to volunteer? from what I understand, some old letters written by my dads older brother who was in the service during korea, he told my dad that he and his friends would be 'crazy' to volunteer because you do3 years if you volunteer and only two if you are drafted.

these letters surprised me that my uncle told my dad that itd be crazy to sign up, because my uncle is a hard core GOPer, pro military TODAY. but at the time, he was demonstrably NOT so,. I found that most interesting.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2015-09-14   11:43:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Artisan (#12)

can you explain why fear would told you to volunteer?

Ask anyone that "volunteered", same answer from all, the life expectancy of a dogface in the infantry is very short.

I had an Uncle that was drafted in WWII at age 38, went straight into third infantry division, Pattons third army, all across Europe. He was 41 years old when it ended, war is not always a kids game.

Difficult being with men that are drunk and crying, all they want is to go home.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-09-14   12:47:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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