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Title: How Much Time Do We Have Left?
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mehitable
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Published: Jan 23, 2006
Author: mehitable storm
Post Date: 2006-01-23 11:38:35 by mehitable
Keywords: Left?, Much, Time
Views: 588
Comments: 31
More of a question to provoke discussion than anything else. I am increasingly of the opinion that the Republic is done for and that we are facing an economic, social, cultural and political devastation (and maybe health devastation) that even WE - the knowledgeable and cynical - can probably barely imagine. I don't think this is preventable any longer. I'm at the point of wondering how long we have before we reach collapse and what the bottom will be. How should we prepare for this? I have limited resources myself and am wondering what I should be focusing on and how I can prepare my less aware family and friends. I know they think I'm kind of crazy - maybe very crazy, but on the other hand - they know I'm usually right as well. There's something to be said for being willing to think and consider the unthinkable.
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#1. To: mehitable (#0)
Personally, I've been amazed that they've kept it together as long as they have, but this year strikes me as being the year that things go from seeming normal to becoming rather uncomfortable. If I'm right, then next year will be "the reckoning" year. One thing that I've noticed is that all of the people that I know are either unemployed or barely employed, and I'm not talking about stupid and incapable people, I'm talking about good solid people with solid skills and track records, and they can't get decent jobs of any kind. I'm about to throw in the towel myself. My wife has an application in with the state of Washington for a job that she is very qualified for. If she gets it, we stick around a while longer, if not then we're going to move out of the country. As of now I simply have no hope whatsoever of things ever getting better here in the US.
 | Gold and silver are real money, paper is but a promise. |
#2. To: mehitable (#0)
I frankly am not worried about anything anymore. Why? Because of several factors. I've always been self-employed. Which means nobody is my master. Second, the market fluctuates every goddamned time a republican gets into office. Every single time a republican gets behind the wheel of the presidency, we're in an economic recession. Take a look at the Reagan era. 8 years of trickle down economics, and a full blown recession until the Democrats took over. What happened? For 7 years we had a booming economy, and then of course the dread set in, because the Democratic party was sullied by the man known as Clinton. Now that they've destroyed themselves, and have only Hillary to put forth in the coming election, We can count on another 4 years of economic recessions, and hard times. I've come to realize that when a conservative, or so called conservative takes office, people clam up and get really conservative with their finances. When liberals are running things, people are spending their money freely. Why? Because when a Democrat is giving away the money, they're giving it away to Americans. When Republicans are in office, they're giving it to everyone else. I would lay money on what is coming won't be good for America, but most people won't feel the pinch, because everyone will be pinched equally across the board. That is unless you're one of the uberwealthy motherfuckers that helped engineer the demise of this country. Why worry about tomorrow when you can be hit by a car today???
 | What's that Mr. Nipples? You want me to ask the nice lady about her rack?. |
#3. To: mehitable (#0)
No one knows the answer to that question. And you can't control any of the things you mention, in the big picture sense- the collapse. At some point it will happen. The best you can do is focus on your small corner of the world. I think the biggest things are increasing self-reliance and getting out of debt. My wife and I are fortunate to have very minimal debt- in fact nost would consider us to be debt-free. When I say self reliance... I reconnected with the old ways of my grandparents and grea-grandparents by learning how to can things. My wife and I experimented by growing some herbs (parsley and basil) in a small garden which have been transplated into a pot for winter storage with access to sunlight. And these are good things to do since they are healthier for you anyway. I was able to grow sweet potatoes this year- I didn't grow them long enough, but at least I now know for next year. Its a small step, but really, the steps are the same whether small garden or large farm- just bigger scale. I also keep freeze-dried foods that you can buy at any outdoor store. Most are pretty cheap. They last for years. I have enough to survive for a while if needed. And I read a lot. I have books on how to survive in the outdoors and such and practice these things when I hike. People may call me paranoid or whatnot. Its not. Its preparation. Preparation for things I hope never happen. And its common sense, really. These are things done over years, much of them at little cost. I would like to be able to achieve the self-reliance of my great-grandmother and be able to "go there" if I (we) really needed to. Family and friends ask why I take 3 days worth of food plus portable shelter (tarp), medical supplies, emergency sleeping bag, dry clothes in waterproof bag, means to make drinkable water, all of this, even for a short 1-2 hour hike. I take these things in hopes that I never have to use them. I have been close quite a few times and it is comforting to know that people know where I am on a hike and I can survive on my own in the face of terrible circumstances until help arrives. Above all these things is faith. Whether you are a Christian, Jew, Hindu, whatever. Faith in God is a powerful and very sustaining thing that unfortunately gets overlooked and ridiculed today. Even if you don't have faith in God, as the Greeks talked about: the good, the just, virtue. Things that man should strive for- things higher than ourselves. I rest in the mercy, peace and forgiveness in Christ.
How Much Time Do We Have Left?
#4. To: Elliott Jackalope (#1)
Which countries are you considering?
if not then we're going to move out of the country
#5. To: scooter (#3)
Great post and information - thanks.
#6. To: Elliott Jackalope, Jethro Tull (#1)
ping to Elliott's post. *sigh*
#7. To: scooter (#3)
that's wisdom. it always better to have something and not need it than to need it and not have it. lovely post.
Its preparation. Preparation for things I hope never happen. And its common sense, really. These are things done over years, much of them at little cost. I would like to be able to achieve the self-reliance of my great-grandmother and be able to "go there" if I (we) really needed to.
#8. To: mehitable (#0)
What I've always wondered is, absent some large Earth changing event, what are the signs that it's really becoming unraveled. There is a lot of inertia out there for folks to continue doing whatever they do each day. What would be some of the more subtle signs that now is the time to head for the hills?
#9. To: Soren (#4)
As of now our plan is to relocate to Canada first, and use that as a "staging area". If we can get something going there, then great. If not, then we're going to do some traveling in South America. Chile and Argentina look rather interesting, and there are other countries as well. Argentina had a major fiscal crisis over the last few years, and now looks like it is pulling out of it. I'd rather be in a country that has the worst behind it than be in a country that has the worst ahead of it...
Which countries are you considering?
| Gold and silver are real money, paper is but a promise. |
#10. To: Elliott Jackalope (#9)
Agreed on these two countries.. for a couple of reasons.. and I would chose Argentina as my first choice.
Chile and Argentina look rather interesting, and there are other countries as well. Argentina had a major fiscal crisis over the last few years, and now looks like it is pulling out of it. I'd rather be in a country that has the worst behind it than be in a country that has the worst ahead of it...
#11. To: mehitable (#0)
It is just a matter of time before God sends the judgment America deserves. I pray for America's humiliation for starters. Oh how the mighty have fallen and pride goes before downfall, etc. Boy, do we have it coming, esp the churches who love lies over truth, love torture over decency, double-standard lunacy over single-standard common sense. Yeah, i'm really pissed so don't bother trying to cheer me up. The only thing that could cheer me up is impeaching the drunk/coked shrub and all the devil's preachers/churched leaders getting their vile mouths kicked in if/when the sheeple wake up.
#12. To: Elliott Jackalope (#9)
I'm a dual Canadian/US citizen. My parents have a place in the boonies of Ontario, and that countryside is in my blood, but I wonder how much Canada would be affected by whatever happens to the US. The whole world will be affected, but our largest trading partner seems likely to be greatly affected. Of all the countries I've read about, Chile seems like the most promising. Beautiful scenery, not densely populated, strong property rights, a commodity based economy, and the corruption is the lowest of any SA country (way lower than Argentina). All of SA seems to be swinging to the left, which is a concern. I'm not sure yet how deep this swing is for Chile. I'm guessing you've seen the Escape From America website?
#13. To: Soren (#12)
Hmm really? Interesting..
the corruption is the lowest of any SA country (way lower than Argentina). All of SA seems to be swinging to the left, which is a concern. I'm not sure yet how deep this swing is for Chile. I'm guessing you've seen the Escape From America website?
#14. To: fatidic (#11)
Hear! Hear! Well said! In my humble opinion, wisdom begins with wholly embracing the concept of "do unto others as you would have them do to you", and error begins when that is forgotten. "Vengence is mine, sayeth the Lord", and woe to those who forget that.
Boy, do we have it coming, esp the churches who love lies over truth, love torture over decency, double-standard lunacy over single-standard common sense.
| Gold and silver are real money, paper is but a promise. |
#15. To: Soren (#12)
Agreed, I find Chile highly interesting, and will most likely end up visiting there within the next year or so. Yes, I'm familiar with the "Escape" website. I'll want to go there for a while and see things first hand before I make any major decisions, but I sure do find that country interesting.
| Gold and silver are real money, paper is but a promise. |
#16. To: Elliott Jackalope (#15)
Be sure to tell us about it if you go. I'd love to get down there, but my wife is due with our second in a few weeks, so it won't be happening anytime too soon.
#17. To: Soren (#16)
Roger on that. In fact, I'll post regularly while I'm traveling about.
| Gold and silver are real money, paper is but a promise. |
#18. To: Elliott Jackalope (#9)
Never under-estimate how much worse a situation can get. I imagine some people might have thought the worst was behind Germany in the early 1930's after their little hyper-inflation fiasco.
Argentina had a major fiscal crisis over the last few years, and now looks like it is pulling out of it. I'd rather be in a country that has the worst behind it than be in a country that has the worst ahead of it...
Nothing says "poor workmanship" like wrinkles in your duct tape.
#19. To: orangedog (#18)
The one thing that Argentina has done that I think gives more hope than anything else is that they told the IMF to pack their carpetbags and get out of their country. If you take a look at the last thirty years of history you'll find one rather amazing thing: Those countries that prostrated themselves before the IMF and did whatever the IMF told them to do are now economic basket cases, while the countries that told the IMF to go pound sand are now doing rather well overall.
| Gold and silver are real money, paper is but a promise. |
#20. To: Elliott Jackalope (#19)
Another thing to consider: any country that was smart enough to tell the IMF to go get screwed probably will be smart enough to keep all of us American white trash out if the shit gets really runny here. If things get bad enough, even Mexico might try to defend their norther border.
Nothing says "poor workmanship" like wrinkles in your duct tape.
#21. To: Soren, all (#12)
I, too, am wondering how Canada will be affected. Granted, Canada has serious problems of its own that we don't hear much about down here. It's a pretty left wing country politically, and they have the whole Quebec thing and high taxes, etc. All the same, Canadians just seem to be nicer people in general with better values and they don't go around attacking other countries. My family is also Canadian, although I've never been up there. I'm considering it as a refuge, but I don't know if I'd have any problems migrating up at the age of 50+. I'm sure my cousins in the Maritimes would help whatever way they could. That's one of the things I'm considering.
#22. To: Elliott Jackalope (#19)
Whenever I see IMF I think of Martin Landau and Barbara Bain in the Impossible Missions Force. Duh duh da duh duh duh da duh....
#23. To: mehitable (#22)
Funny visual :)
Whenever I see IMF I think of Martin Landau and Barbara Bain in the Impossible Missions Force
#24. To: mehitable (#22)
Hmmm, let's see. Deception, trickery, treachery, illusion presented as reality, and at the end of the show some poor sucker is left holding the proverbial bag as a single gunshot is heard offscreen. Your analogy may be more accurate that you could possibly imagine... Doggone it, now I've got that theme in my head. Thanks a lot!
Whenever I see IMF I think of Martin Landau and Barbara Bain in the Impossible Missions Force. Duh duh da duh duh duh da duh....
| Gold and silver are real money, paper is but a promise. |
#25. To: mehitable (#22)
Mix Martin Landau, Barbara Bain and the IMF and you get a disaster more on the level of Space:1999
Whenever I see IMF I think of Martin Landau and Barbara Bain in the Impossible Missions Force.
Nothing says "poor workmanship" like wrinkles in your duct tape.
#26. To: orangedog (#25)
OOOOH Man, that a BADDDDDD show!!! I always why they did it - maybe it was a deep cover for one of their spy exploits???? It certainly sent their careers into deep cover for a few decades.
#27. To: mehitable (#26)
You know that a show is really bad when there are over 100 cable tv channels and not one of them will play re-runs of it, even at 3:00AM. It was one of my favorite tv shows when it was originally aired. Of course I have the defense of being 7 years old at the time.
Nothing says "poor workmanship" like wrinkles in your duct tape.
#28. To: mehitable (#0)
Oh Boy does this ring bells with me -- they're thinking I might be right because they see the freight train coming, finally. What's going on with the price of gold should be a tipoff.
I know they think I'm kind of crazy - maybe very crazy, but on the other hand - they know I'm usually right as well.
#29. To: Elliott Jackalope (#9)
Argentina has had recurring fiscal crises for 30 - 40 years, as long as I've been following international finance (since 1969).
Argentina had a major fiscal crisis over the last few years, and now looks like it is pulling out of it. I'd rather be in a country that has the worst behind it than be in a country that has the worst ahead of it...
#30. To: mehitable (#21)
I have Christian friends that fled to Canada, but they are struggling with property tax payments, even though they are in rural British Columbia. I have other Christian friends that will be visiting India later this year, with relocation in mind. I have always found Belize and Chile interesting.
#31. To: mehitable (#0)
Well, Chile, Argentina, SA in general nice places friendly people but will need quite a bit of a back bone to adjust language and job wise. Canada may taxes higher and so on but check also the good things, health care growing economy, retirement money, language etc. etc. India ...... sell your house move there and live with $400 a month like a king (cook, nanny, servant all included). A decent house over there a little rural area $20k. I personnaly see myself over there if i, we (family) do not accomplish a decent living and beeing able to provide the best for our child. Greece also an option, piece of land on island right on a mountain far away from the downhill civilazation. Small garden etc. etc.
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