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Title: Why the Holocaust Could Not Have Happened
Source: Badlands
URL Source: http://littlegeneva.com/badlands/?p=1139
Published: Jan 23, 2006
Author: Badlands
Post Date: 2006-01-23 19:35:51 by YertleTurtle
Keywords: Holocaust, Happened, Could
Views: 1259
Comments: 189

Having read emotional letters from Jewish writers in the press, I feel compelled to comment myself.

I am acquainted with military history and have read substantially on the subject. One Jewish writer stated that he was not even alive at the time of the Second World War. As another writer stated, there are always two sides to the coin. Well, I was not alive at that time either, so it follows that the only source of information available to the post-war generations is history as it was written down for us.

History has not and never will be recorded objectively, as every historian writes according to his own subjective view and in his own book will try to prove his own thesis. The mass-murder of six million Jews, however, is a myth. This is admitted and proved primarily by British and American authors, and while withholding my own views, here is some information to consider:

According to evidence led in a paper entitled “The Third Reich”, three to four million Jews were murdered in Auschwitz alone. This is mathematically impossible. Auschwitz was in operation for four years. Let’s assume only three million people were killed here — in one year, that would be 750,000 or 62,500 a month — or 2,083 a day!

According to the German Christian Democratic delegate, Eric Blumenfeld of Hamburg, who was incarcerated at Auschwitz, killings only took place at night, for reasons of secrecy — a period of 12 hours. Thus, 2,082 people should have been killed every 12 hours out of 24 for 1,460 days (four years).

Assuming the corpses were buried, and seeing that sand is four tenths heavier than the human body (proportionately), at an average of 50 kilograms per body, 70 kilograms of sand would be displaced per corpse [a kilogram is equal to 2.2 pounds for practical purposes]. At 2,083 bodies a day, with a corpse mass of 104.2 metric tons, this would be 145.8 metric tons of soil to be removed daily!

In four years, assuming there were “only” 3 million bodies buried, this would leave 212,868 metric tons of soil piled up somewhere. Where is it? There is also the argument that the bodies were burned (also a mathematical impossibility). The calculations are based on figures and evidence from the ultra-modern and efficient crematorium at Dortmund in Germany. To burn one corpse completely requires 31 kilograms of coal. The 2,083 people allegedly killed in Auschwitz daily would have required more than 65 metric tons of coal, which was extremely valuable to the war effort — each day. For Germany, this was impossible.

Burning the bodies was impossible for another reason. In the most modern crematoriums today, one body requires about 2? hours to be completely cremated. Even if Auschwitz had had 100 burning chambers, the 3 million corpses would have taken 15 years to cremate, burning only in the 12-hour period each day.

Each body produces on average 2 kilograms of ash. Three million corpses would create 6,000 metric tons of ash. This ash, all 6,000 metric tons of it would make quite a heap. Where were all these ash-heaps after the war?

In closing, I would like to add that all recorded history is on paper and on paper you can write anything, even that 6 million Jews were killed. Paper is patient!

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#116. To: A K A Stone (#113)

To: Zipporah

you are partially right imo. It also says till ALL be fulfilled. ALL hasn't been fulfilled yet. Heaven and earth has not passed. We are still waiting on the second coming.

Read some more AKA... there is much you apparently don't understand or have not yet seen... PEACE... it's all good, at least you aren't laden down with hatred for others... THAT, in itself, speaks volumes for your sincerity... and sincerity is a trait I personally value

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-25   12:05:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: Zipporah (#112)

LOL! So you dismiss His words right? Jesus was the fulfillment of the law.. and the new covenant in His blood was the fulfillment of all that the prophets and the law foretold.

You were probably raised by Christian fundamentalists, as I was, but with me it didn't take, though I don't reject Christ. I like to think of myself as a free thinker. I try not to criticize genuine Christians, such as you, and I am suspicious of posters who resort to name calling and character assassination to discredit other posters of whatever religious beliefs. All folks, or I should say decent folks, follow their own God-given light.

Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.

Zoroaster  posted on  2006-01-25   12:23:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: Zoroaster (#117)

You were probably raised by Christian fundamentalists, as I was, but with me it didn't take, though I don't reject Christ. I like to think of myself as a free thinker. I try not to criticize genuine Christians, such as you, and I am suspicious of posters who resort to name calling and character assassination to discredit other posters of whatever religious beliefs. All folks, or I should say decent folks, follow their own God-given light.

Wrong.. I wasn't.. I was raised unchurched until my mother became a Christian when I was a teenager.. I rebelled and didnt do the church thing.. I didnt go to church till much later .. and it was after I became a Christian.. and that didnt happen at a church.. but at home reading the bible. And that was after I met a 'real' Christian..one that never asked me to church..never preached to me, gave me a bible or pointed at sin.. or say that I wasnt saved.. what she did was did as Jesus said.. and that is what led me to the bible. It's the love of God thru Christians that lead people to salvation ..

Zipporah  posted on  2006-01-25   12:43:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: siagiah (#116)

Read some more AKA... there is much you apparently don't understand or have not yet seen... PEACE... it's all good, at least you aren't laden down with hatred for others... THAT, in itself, speaks volumes for your sincerity... and sincerity is a trait I personally value

Oh..thanks I guess that's it..I'll keep studying them.. .. :P

Thanks siagiah.. much appreciated..

Zipporah  posted on  2006-01-25   13:28:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: Zipporah (#119)

Oh..thanks I guess that's it..I'll keep studying them.. .. :P

Thanks siagiah.. much appreciated..

Lois, Lois, Lois... I was talking to AKA STONE... I grabbed his comment to you, I wasn't DIRECTING it at you... LOL... silly gal... Ah NOES U do yer homewerk... tee hee...

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-25   14:41:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: siagiah (#120)

Lois, Lois, Lois... I was talking to AKA STONE... I grabbed his comment to you, I wasn't DIRECTING it at you... LOL... silly gal... Ah NOES U do yer homewerk... tee hee...

ROFL! I thought you were being facetious.. LOL!

Zipporah  posted on  2006-01-25   14:43:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: siagiah (#103)

None of you can deny your HATRED for the Jews...

Your self-flattery equals your self-loathing!


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-01-25   19:08:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: SKYDRIFTER (#122)

Your self-flattery equals your self-loathing!

What are you talking about? Truly, I have no idea where this came from. I wasn't referring to YOU with that remark about "none being able to deny their hatred for the Jews"... I **thought** I was directing it at a couple of posters who very clearly despise Jews just for existing... You weren't amongst them...

So.... ??????? and even if you thought I was directing it at you... WHAT does your remark mean? I don't get where you are coming from... All sarcasm and/or jest aside... Please explain?

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-25   22:04:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: siagiah, Red Jones. Tom007, RickyJ (#103)

None of you can deny your HATRED for the Jews...

I can. Your statement is unsuportable and ridiculous. Ask Joan Strait, my neighbor, a widow, and a very seet person, whose driveway and sidewalk I, or my children, shovel snow for her, and check on her well being if we don't see her for awhile. She has us on speed dial.

Nor much HATERD there, siagiah, for you? Sorry to dissapoint.

And there is my good friend Mark Sternberg. And Richard Strauss.

You have assumed much, S. I would open my eyes and mind a little.

"Our country is now geared to an arms economy bred in an artificially-induced psychosis of war hysteria and an incessant propaganda of fear." -- General Douglas MacArthur

tom007  posted on  2006-01-25   22:48:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: siagiah (#123)

**thought** I was directing it at a couple of posters who very clearly despise Jews just for existing... You weren't amongst them...

O brother.

"Our country is now geared to an arms economy bred in an artificially-induced psychosis of war hysteria and an incessant propaganda of fear." -- General Douglas MacArthur

tom007  posted on  2006-01-25   22:52:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: All (#125)

who very clearly despise Jews just for existing..

This whole scholck is geting a little thin.

"Our country is now geared to an arms economy bred in an artificially-induced psychosis of war hysteria and an incessant propaganda of fear." -- General Douglas MacArthur

tom007  posted on  2006-01-25   22:53:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: tom007, siagiah (#124)

the quote I said that you almost quoted correctly was 'I'd rather throw my lot in with a pious muslim than a christian zionist'.

Red Jones  posted on  2006-01-25   22:56:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: Red Jones (#127)

I Stand corrected. Thanks RJ.

"Our country is now geared to an arms economy bred in an artificially-induced psychosis of war hysteria and an incessant propaganda of fear." -- General Douglas MacArthur

tom007  posted on  2006-01-25   23:00:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: tom007 (#126)

This whole scholck is geting a little thin.

Whatever... if you don't see the blatant hatred spewing out of SOME of the posters on this thread, fine... I don't care. I was simply giving my opinion of it all which is why everyone's here, non?... I guess that's not okay with you? No biggie... I didn't really expect to be understood by the folks I was addressing with my remarks. It ain't easy being green... latah...

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-25   23:06:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: siagiah (#123)

I was directing it at a couple of posters who very clearly despise Jews just for existing...

If Jews were merely existing, there would be no problem. If Israel wasn't ethnically cleansing the Palestinians and milking the American treasury, there would be FAR fewer problems--far less public relations difficultites for Jews. If Zionists and liberal Jews were so active in organizations and entities detriemntal to American society, culture and government, there would be FAR fewer problems--far less public relations difficultites for Jews..

A WHOLE LOT of them getting onto the PNAC/AIPAC/SPLC/NAACP/JINSA/Israel/ACLU/ADL/Hollywood/federal media bandwagon is what creates problems. Behaviors and conduct effecting OTHERS create problems--merely existing hurts no one and bothers no one except in your Zionist protectionist and defensive mind. Those Jews wishing to live thier lives and exist like the rest of us should turn thier ire towards thier brethren in the aformentioned organizations and entities.

But you KNOW that, don't you?

In 1947, the UN created a perpetual war and named it Israel.

wbales  posted on  2006-01-25   23:14:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: siagiah (#129)

if you don't see the if you don't see the blatant hatred spewing out of SOME of the posters on this thread, fine... I don't care. on this thread, fine... I don't care.

I do not read every post, yet I cannot recollect "you don't see the blatant hatred spewing out of SOME" I don't think it is there.

I do see concerns that the tribe has infiltrated into the workings of government with their chavanistic ideology, but I hardly can call there concerns "Hatered", can you?

"Our country is now geared to an arms economy bred in an artificially-induced psychosis of war hysteria and an incessant propaganda of fear." -- General Douglas MacArthur

tom007  posted on  2006-01-25   23:24:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: wbales (#130)

Those Jews wishing to live thier lives and exist like the rest of us should turn thier ire towards thier brethren in the aformentioned organizations and entities.

Roger that. I keep waiting for the Jewish community to publically condemm the extreamist zionist policies, and the silence is defening.

"Our country is now geared to an arms economy bred in an artificially-induced psychosis of war hysteria and an incessant propaganda of fear." -- General Douglas MacArthur

tom007  posted on  2006-01-25   23:26:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: wbales (#130)

A lot more of them should be joining JPFO (Jews for the Preservatio of Firearms Ownership) instead. There is an organization whose ideas will be far more effective at ending "Holocausts" no mater who perpetrates them than all the PNACs, AIPACs, SPLCs, NAACPs JINSAs, Israel, ACLUs and ADLs in the world. The only way to stop "Holocausts" is to ARM THE POTENTIAL VICTIMS whoever they might be.

Coral Snake  posted on  2006-01-25   23:56:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: wbales (#130)

Behaviors and conduct effecting OTHERS create problems--merely existing hurts no one and bothers no one except in your Zionist protectionist and defensive mind.

OBVIOUSLY you haven't read my posts above or you'd KNOW that your statement here is exactly the OPPOSITE of my stated position on zionism and its affects on America. You are assuming and you DO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN FOLKS ASSUME don't you? Try again W... You are totally off base in your response to me.

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-26   0:43:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: tom007 (#131)

I do see concerns that the tribe has infiltrated into the workings of government with their chavanistic ideology, but I hardly can call there concerns "Hatered", can you?

No, I don't consider THAT hatred... Strangely enough, I SHARE that view but you'd know that if you'd actually bothered to read what I actually said...

Isn't it funny (odd, not haha) how people can read the same thing as another and not see the same thing? Or maybe it's because they DIDN'T read it but simply assume they know what it says because someone ELSE who didn't read it but posted responses as if they did gives them the wrong impression so others just presume they know what's there when they actually don't?... personally, because I know you are intelligent and CAN READ & COMPREHEND, I'm leaning heavily towards the latter.

I maintain that certain individuals here have posted hatefilled posts that cannot be construed as anything BUT hatred for THE JEWS AS A WHOLE read straight up and when you read between the lines... and that their disdain is NOT simply a conflict with them over political zionism that HURTS AMERICA.

I also maintain that my posts CLEARLY state my view that ZIONISM is bad for America, that putting ISRAEL's interests before America's is just plain WRONG in my opinion... HOWEVER, aside from THAT particular activity, I have no problem whatsoever with THE JEWS.

After actually re-READING the posts above, in all honesty, can you say that is true of each and every one of the posters who responded here? That there is NO UNDERCURRENT OF HATRED permeating several posts? I believe that you will see my point if you review the thread with an eye for the thoughts BEHIND the words... Give it a shot... You just might be surprised at how wrong you are about what I actually said and think...

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-26   1:00:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: All (#135)

FROM ABOVE:

#39. To: YertleTurtle (#0) While the population of the world has increased six-fold in the last hundred years to more than six billion souls, the number of Jews, some 14 million today, has remained approximately the same. Evil is unproductive, barren,. and eventually perishes of its own sterility. This is the way of Nature. She deals ruthlessly with any population, race or ethnic group, which fails to solve the problems of its environment.. The low birthrate among Jews is a continuing echo of Nature’s way of weeding out evil.

On a human level, the Nazi expulsion of Jews from Western Europe was an extreme example of a majority group seeking to rid itself of a parasitical minority group that was a threat to kinship and social laws, i.e. culture.

These defilers of all races and cultures have caused dissention and turmoil wherever they have gone for the past 2,000 years. Whether it’s Nazi-style suppression of Palestinians on their own land, land stolen from them by the Zionist-controlled Israeli Government, or the corruption and financial ruin of the host nations, say, the disastrous effect of the Hollywood syndrome upon American culture or the near bankruptcy of Russia, the pattern of evil and desolation is same wherever they are found.

Nature, however, offers hope. The low Jewish birthrate in America suggests they may go the way of the Dodo bird and become extinct in 100 years. And the high birthrate of Palestinians indicates that Jews will be a minority population in Israel, including the occupied territories, within 30 years. The downside is that the bastards are working diligently to suck America into a full-scale war in the Middle East, which will drastically reduce the Arab population, or, if that fails, there’s always Israel’s nuclear arsenal.

Perhaps, if humanity is lucky, their lack of procreative success will ultimately bring about their downfall.

Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.

Zoroaster posted on 2006-01-24 01:16:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

I guess we should all start humming KUMBAYA now? Let's all feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel the love...

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-26   1:37:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: RickyJ (#92)

Any Christian that embraces the demonic state of Israel, is a Christian in name only, just like the "Jews" of today are Jews in name only

Funny you should mention that. This is an interesting article. If you overlook the Illuminati motif in it, it is right on. The Bush's are also known satanists as is shown.

George W. Bush, Zionist Double Agent, American Traitor

The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-01-26   1:43:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: All (#136)

Zoroaster wrote: The low birthrate among Jews is a continuing echo of Nature’s way of weeding out evil.

#92. To: Zoroaster (#39) IMO people aren't born as "Jews" they become one when the reject Jesus as their Lord and Savior. Jesus himself called them devils, vipers, serpents. He proclaimed how extremely unlikely that they would be able to escape the eternal damnation of hell given their current condition and the prospects that they would change. "Jews" are the enemies of Christ. Any Christian that embraces the demonic state of Israel, is a Christian in name only, just like the "Jews" of today are Jews in name only.

God is always good! "It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]

RickyJ posted on 2006-01-24 22:31:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

Oh, it makes my heart MELT at the love in these words... My little devils... sweet little vipers adn serpents... let's revel in eternal damnation because we love you SOOOO MUCH... What's that you say? Jews are the ENEMIES OF CHRIST? oh dear... where is the love you say?

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-26   1:45:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: BTP Holdings (#137)

Yes, I agree that Bush tops the list of American traitors...

Now deny the general hatred of all that is JEWISH contained in these posts? The hate isn't strictly focused on Zionism hurting America... it's focused on ELIMINATING THE JEWS AS A PEOPLE... and condemning them to hell... So, what about Buddists? Muslims? others who don't agree with them? WHY IS THE HATE FOCUSED ON ONE GROUP? Ummmm, because they hate the JEWS... that's why.

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-26   1:48:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: siagiah (#136)

Zoroaster posted on 2006-01-24 01:16:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

I guess we should all start humming KUMBAYA now? Let's all feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel the love...

Z has got a way with words, doesn't he? LOL

Ever read The Fable of the Ducks and the Hens?

The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-01-26   1:48:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: BTP Holdings (#140)

Ever read The Fable of the Ducks and the Hens?

yeah, just now... it's safe to make an assumption as to where your feelings on this particular subject fall...

g'night, I'm too tired for any more of this. Tomorrow's another day.... oh wait... IT'S TODAY...!

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-26   1:56:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: siagiah (#141)

yeah, just now... it's safe to make an assumption as to where your feelings on this particular subject fall...

g'night, I'm too tired for any more of this. Tomorrow's another day.... oh wait... IT'S TODAY...!

I've been an observer on this thread. My feelings are well founded and thought out. I think you've gone off the deep end a bit. Give them a break. It's not quite the way you think. The Fable is a good analogy of this issue if you do not let any bias one way or another interfere.

Past bed time for myself as well. ;0)

The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-01-26   2:05:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: wbales (#130)

I was directing it at a couple of posters who very clearly despise Jews just for existing...

If Jews were merely existing, there would be no problem.

Exactly.

The only two groups I know that are despised in every country in which they reside are the Roma (Gypsies) because they are thieves, and Jews, quite a few of whom are not only liars and thieves, they attempt to degrade, indeed destroy the culture. If they just minded their own business, there would be no problem. But they never do, and they never learn what the problem is.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-01-26   7:26:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: YertleTurtle (#143)

The only two groups I know that are despised in every country in which they reside are the Roma (Gypsies) because they are thieves, and Jews,

You slipped up, you didn't call them zionists, you made clear it is jews. lol

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-01-26   7:36:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: Zipporah (#114)

So Jesus was a liar.. I see..

I never said that. He said till ALL!!!

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-01-26   7:41:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: siagiah (#116)

Thank you for the kind words. Yes I still have much to learn. Will have much to learn for the rest of my life here.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-01-26   7:43:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#147. To: A K A Stone (#146)

Thank you for the kind words. Yes I still have much to learn. Will have much to learn for the rest of my life here.

Me too... No living being is finished with their education even though some apparently believe they've got the final word on some subjects... LOL... Contrary to what anyone here might believe, I KNOW that I know only a small portion of what there is to know about anything. Visceral reactions to a subject are the red flags to look for when emotion rather than reason is the motivator for an opinion. No one is immune to that so all should examine themselves when they feel such strong emotions about something.

More important, I find it sad that folks can be so full of hate for others and be so blinded to the blackness in their own hearts because of it... If I've gone over the top with a few of them, as BTP suggests, so be it... but I know blind hate when I see it. I will continue to call a spade a spade even if some don't like it. They don't hesitate to shove their spades down other's throats if challenged so I feel certain that they'll survive my remarks. LOL...

Truth be known, I recognize some tidbits of truth in a few remarks that I've dismissed as bs. Why? Because the hatred behind them overrides the value of any tidbits of truth to the point that I must reject it outright. Suffice it to say that from MY POV, Zionism controlling America is a VERY bad thing but Jews are not evil people deserving of hell and brimstone, nor should they be eliminated from this planet.

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-26   8:58:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#148. To: siagiah (#134)

Instead of trying to smear certain posters as the "dreaded Jew-Hater", what should be getting your attention--what you should be concerned about--what you should be addressing (if you are an American):

PNAC/AIPAC/SPLC/NAACP/JINSA/Israel/ACLU/ADL/Hollywood/federal media

and the effects on American society, culture and government.

Anyone who spouts off with "Jew-Hater" or "Nazi" or "Hitler wannabe" instantly qualifies you as a defender/member of the above.

Over time and history, Jews as a group have exhibited sufficient collective behavior and conduct to earn and deserve the stereotyping.

But you KNOW that, don't you.

Let's talk again when calls to kick AIPAC/PNAC out of Washington, DC start coming from all AMERICAN synagogues.

In 1947, the UN created a perpetual war and named it Israel.

wbales  posted on  2006-01-26   8:58:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#149. To: YertleTurtle (#143)

If Jews were merely existing, there would be no problem.

Exactly.

The only two groups I know that are despised in every country in which they reside are the Roma (Gypsies) because they are thieves, and Jews, quite a few of whom are not only liars and thieves, they attempt to degrade, indeed destroy the culture. If they just minded their own business, there would be no problem. But they never do, and they never learn what the problem is.

Like I said earlier... there are SOME here who blindly hate Jews simply for existing... Parse it all you please, you hate them and even if it's not obvious to you, it's obvious to others...

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-26   9:00:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#150. To: wbales (#148)

To: siagiah

Instead of trying to smear certain posters as the "dreaded Jew-Hater", what should be getting your attention--what you should be concerned about--what you should be addressing (if you are an American):

OH? REALLY? IF I'M AN AMERICAN THIS IS WHAT I ***SHOULD*** BE ADDRESSING? Addressing hatred that is staring me in the face should be of no concern to me BECAUSE you've justified it to yourself by parading your stereotypes to defend it?

Get a grip WBales, I AM an American but I will decide what I ***SHOULD*** be concerned with if I dare to call myself an American... You sound just like GWB with his "yer wiff us or yer agin' us" mentality... I expected better from you than for you to be telling others what they **SHOULD** do to be an AMERICAN... and I feel SORRY for you that you don't recognize but DEFEND your own discriminatory remarks against an entire group of people you know ONLY from a stereotypical position...

***spit*** Whatever merit there might be in your "true blue American" way of thinking, it's lost in the interpretation because of your bigoted remarks... I might have bothered to check out your pet cause, but given the rest of your post suggesting that I'm not a REAL American because I'm concern myself with things other than what you care about, I won't bother... you've just hurt your OWN cause by losing a potential supporter...

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-26   9:11:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: siagiah (#149)

there are SOME here who blindly hate Jews simply for existing...

There you go again.

Let's try this:

1) WHY? Why do you think in your opinion someone would hate Jews simply for existing???? No other reason except for merely being. Exactly and specifically WHY?

2) And similarly, succinctly explain to me why Hitler hated Jews? Can you do that?

In 1947, the UN created a perpetual war and named it Israel.

wbales  posted on  2006-01-26   9:12:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#152. To: siagiah (#150)

you've just hurt your OWN cause by losing a potential supporter...

That's hilarious.

In 1947, the UN created a perpetual war and named it Israel.

wbales  posted on  2006-01-26   9:14:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#153. To: A K A Stone (#145)

So Jesus was a liar.. I see..

I never said that. He said till ALL!!!

Basically that IS what you are saying.. #1 you cannot cherry pick verses without considering the context..

Then what was Jesus referring to? Consider the scripture you referenced in Matthew with this in Luke 21:33 .. Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

Back to Matthew 5:18 in context.

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Now what did he mean? Jesus meant that nothing would stop the fulfillment of His purpose on earth.. That is to fulfill the Law.. and bring a new covenant between man and God..in His blood.

Continuing IN CONTEXT in Matthew:

20 "For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.

21 "You have heard that the ancients were told, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER' and 'Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court.'

22"But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.

What was Jesus trying to convey? Jesus was directly challenging the Pharisees, scribes and the Talmudic tradition.. what was ADDED to scripture and had become MORE important than the law itself. He was saying its the essense of the law not the tradition of men .. And that is reason He made this reference: "and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven"..

So His message was #1 saying that nothing could or would stop the fulfillment of his mission #2 that religious leaders were misleading the people and that they needed to return to God and His law..and that He was going to deliver them from their taskmasters.. the Pharisees and scribes that perverted God's word.

Zipporah  posted on  2006-01-26   9:16:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#154. To: wbales (#152)

That's hilarious.

CLEARLY you know zilch about politics and public relations. Even less about gaining supporters for important causes... Laugh all you like, you've inadvertantly SUPPORTED your enemy by dismissing a potential, PROBABLE ally... You don't care? Well BLAME YOURSELF and those like you for turning off Americans who might have given you the time of day once upon a time.

Ever wonder HOW your "enemy" has gained such prominence? Your actions and you could be the posterchild for their training manual on how to steal YOUR supporters.

Think about it...

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-26   9:20:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#155. To: siagiah (#150)

Here are some more questions (agree or disagree). Let's see how you respond to a discussion on the merits and substance.

1. The UN should have the right and authority to create a nation for the specific benefit of a particular group of people on land primarily inhabited by another group of people.

2. Putting Israel where it is was a good idea that is working out well.

3. Israel’s religious/ethnic/race specific Right of Return is compatible with Democratic principles.

4. Jews had no involvement in the Russian Revolution.

5. In 1930s Germany, Jews did nothing to antagonize or provoke the lunatic Hitler.

6. The number of 6 millions Jews killed by Hitler in WWII is accurate.

7. Anyone questioning and/or doubting the 6 million number denies the entire holocaust.

8. America and Americans have a duty to support and defend Israel.

9. Israel treats Palestinians within its control with dignity, equitably and fairly.

10. Saddam Hussein/Iraq was a direct and immediate threat to America and Americans so as to require immediate military intervention by the US military.

11. Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden were goods friends and partners in international terrorism.

12. Osama Bin Laden was never associated with any agency of the American federal government.

13. Saddam Hussein never received any ambiguous diplomatic signals from the United States prior to Gulf War I.

14. Shooting machine guns and rockets from helicopter gunships down into villages and neighborhoods cannot be terrorism.

15. Bulldozing/razing homes/businesses and/or agricultural fields cannot be considered terrorism.

16. The reason terrorists high-jacked and crashed jets into the World Trade Centers was because they hate our freedoms, elections, religion, way of life.

17. America’s middle eastern foreign policy, in general, and support of Israel, in particular, had nothing to do with 09/11.

18. OPEC--not American oil merchants--is reaping most of the profits from increased American domestic oil/gas prices.

19. The American federal government was absolutely clueless about 09/11 prior to 09/11.

20. There were no market/securities transactions out of the ordinary prior to 09/11.

21. Back just before Gulf War II started and during the UN debates concerning same, France is just as wrong now as they were then.

22. Muslims are determined to take over and rule the world and, especially, the United States.

23. Muslims possess the actual capability to take over and rule the world and, especially, the United States.

24. Trying to establish a democracy in an Muslim Arab country by military force is a good idea.

25. It is a proper function of the American federal government to establish “democracies” in other countries around the world-- overthrowing existing governments by force, if necessary.

26. America and Americans have the excess and available cash to establish “democracies” in other countries around the world-- overthrowing existing governments by force, if necessary.

27. Bush’s stance on illegal immigration and America’s borders is consistent with Homeland Security.

28. Prior to and during the attack, Israel had no idea that the USS Liberty was an American ship.

29. USS Liberty crew who maintain that Israel knew that their ship was American prior to the attack are mistaken or are anti-semites.

30. Having a lobby for a foreign government as the second most powerful lobby in Washington, DC is good for America and Americans.

31. The WWII Holocaust Museum in Washington, DC should have been built before the American Military WWII Memorial.

32. The WWII Holocaust is more significant and historically important then the Russian Revolution Holocaust or any other Holocaust.

33. Israel’s military dealings with China is none of America’s business.

In 1947, the UN created a perpetual war and named it Israel.

wbales  posted on  2006-01-26   9:22:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#156. To: siagiah (#154)

Don't be scared. Try to answer my questions.

In 1947, the UN created a perpetual war and named it Israel.

wbales  posted on  2006-01-26   9:23:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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