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Title: Why the Holocaust Could Not Have Happened
Source: Badlands
URL Source: http://littlegeneva.com/badlands/?p=1139
Published: Jan 23, 2006
Author: Badlands
Post Date: 2006-01-23 19:35:51 by YertleTurtle
Keywords: Holocaust, Happened, Could
Views: 1348
Comments: 189

Having read emotional letters from Jewish writers in the press, I feel compelled to comment myself.

I am acquainted with military history and have read substantially on the subject. One Jewish writer stated that he was not even alive at the time of the Second World War. As another writer stated, there are always two sides to the coin. Well, I was not alive at that time either, so it follows that the only source of information available to the post-war generations is history as it was written down for us.

History has not and never will be recorded objectively, as every historian writes according to his own subjective view and in his own book will try to prove his own thesis. The mass-murder of six million Jews, however, is a myth. This is admitted and proved primarily by British and American authors, and while withholding my own views, here is some information to consider:

According to evidence led in a paper entitled “The Third Reich”, three to four million Jews were murdered in Auschwitz alone. This is mathematically impossible. Auschwitz was in operation for four years. Let’s assume only three million people were killed here — in one year, that would be 750,000 or 62,500 a month — or 2,083 a day!

According to the German Christian Democratic delegate, Eric Blumenfeld of Hamburg, who was incarcerated at Auschwitz, killings only took place at night, for reasons of secrecy — a period of 12 hours. Thus, 2,082 people should have been killed every 12 hours out of 24 for 1,460 days (four years).

Assuming the corpses were buried, and seeing that sand is four tenths heavier than the human body (proportionately), at an average of 50 kilograms per body, 70 kilograms of sand would be displaced per corpse [a kilogram is equal to 2.2 pounds for practical purposes]. At 2,083 bodies a day, with a corpse mass of 104.2 metric tons, this would be 145.8 metric tons of soil to be removed daily!

In four years, assuming there were “only” 3 million bodies buried, this would leave 212,868 metric tons of soil piled up somewhere. Where is it? There is also the argument that the bodies were burned (also a mathematical impossibility). The calculations are based on figures and evidence from the ultra-modern and efficient crematorium at Dortmund in Germany. To burn one corpse completely requires 31 kilograms of coal. The 2,083 people allegedly killed in Auschwitz daily would have required more than 65 metric tons of coal, which was extremely valuable to the war effort — each day. For Germany, this was impossible.

Burning the bodies was impossible for another reason. In the most modern crematoriums today, one body requires about 2? hours to be completely cremated. Even if Auschwitz had had 100 burning chambers, the 3 million corpses would have taken 15 years to cremate, burning only in the 12-hour period each day.

Each body produces on average 2 kilograms of ash. Three million corpses would create 6,000 metric tons of ash. This ash, all 6,000 metric tons of it would make quite a heap. Where were all these ash-heaps after the war?

In closing, I would like to add that all recorded history is on paper and on paper you can write anything, even that 6 million Jews were killed. Paper is patient!

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#1. To: YertleTurtle (#0)

There is no doubt that Germany murdered significant numbers of Jews. Whether it was 6 million, 300 million, or 600,000 isn't the important part that folks need to remember. The outrageous murder of citizens done with the silent approval of the populace or done in spite of disapproval due to a fear of reprisal for speaking out is the important part. Genocide can and does happen and we must not allow it. There is no doubt that the Holocaust DID happen.

I wasn't there. I wasn't even born until a generation after the war ended. BUT my dad was there as part of the liberation forces. He saw the prison camps and plenty of dead bodies. He saw the crematoriums and gas chambers. Mass graves and trains loaded with dead people being shipped out of there for burial elsewhere. (that explains some of where the mountains of ash are) He has no reason to lie to me about it. He has no reason to lie to you either. He's not a Jew, a nazi, or related to anyone who profited or died. He was simply a soldier drafted to go there. What he said he saw, I wholeheartedly believe he saw. I also believe those who survived to tell the tale. I believe that what they witnessed really happened.

You can't credibly say that the holocaust did not happen. You can dispute how many died. Individual witnesses can only speak of groups in the thousands. They don't have the vision of 6 million. Only those who presided over the murders had any clue how many fellow human beings they murdered... so therefore, were there 6 million? I dunno, nobody really knows the precise numbers... but THAT'S the only part that can be reasonably disputed.

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-23   20:17:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: siagiah (#1)

There is no doubt that Germany murdered significant numbers of Jews

There is a difference between the 700,000 to 1.2 million who actually died, and six million who didn't.

By the way, did you know Communism was originally called "Jewish Bolshevism" because the Communist Party was 90% Jewish -- and they killed 60 million Russians?

YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-01-23   20:27:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: YertleTurtle (#2)

Unless I'm mistaken Yertle, you stated agreement that the holocaust did not happen. Are you wavering in your belief now or did I misunderstand your point in posting this article?

I won't dispute numbers with you because I don't have any knowledge of how many REALLY died. However, your focus on the difference between 1.2 million and 6 million gives me cause to wonder if you are suggesting that 1.2 million is an acceptable number of dead Jews, collateral damage maybe?? therefore it's not a holocaust but an inevitable result of war? Forgive me but I don't understand your position on this??

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-23   20:39:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: siagiah (#5)

Unless I'm mistaken Yertle, you stated agreement that the holocaust did not happen. Are you wavering in your belief now or did I misunderstand your point in posting this article?

I won't dispute numbers with you because I don't have any knowledge of how many REALLY died. However, your focus on the difference between 1.2 million and 6 million gives me cause to wonder if you are suggesting that 1.2 million is an acceptable number of dead Jews, collateral damage maybe?? therefore it's not a holocaust but an inevitable result of war? Forgive me but I don't understand your position on this??

There have been lots of holocausts, not just one. King Leopold may have killed up to 10 million Congolese. Why do you not know about that, or the 60 Russians?

Were those 10 million Congolese acceptable, or the 60 million Russians?

Exaggerating one holocaust and ignoring all the others causes nothing but trouble.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-01-23   20:47:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: YertleTurtle, Zipporah, Robin, Dakmar, All (#9)

There have been lots of holocausts, not just one. King Leopold may have killed up to 10 million Congolese. Why do you not know about that, or the 60 Russians?

Were those 10 million Congolese acceptable, or the 60 million Russians?

Exaggerating one holocaust and ignoring all the others causes nothing but trouble.

Of course the other genocides were not acceptable. Whatever did I say that suggested that I thought they were? I'm confused by your disjointed responses and assumptions about my thoughts.

YOU posted an article saying that the GERMAN HOLOCAUST DID NOT HAPPEN. That is the topic of this thread and the debate you chose to have?? If you'd RATHER debate the concept of an eye for an eye (others were murdered by Jews so the murder of Jews is A-okay with you) or discuss how much you apparently dislike Jews in general, go for it, but at least stay on topic within your own thread!! Don't fault me for not knowing what you want to discuss if you don't even know.

To answer your final shot, I don't think that the world is IGNORING all the others, I think that modern day ZIONISTS are just better at keeping theirs "front page" for their own politically motivated reasons... but THAT'S another story unrelated to whether the largescale MURDER of unknown numbers of Jews did or did not happen. I'm NOT on board with the ZIONIST movement or their manipulative politics in the USA... even though I recognize that the holocaust DID happen.

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-23   20:58:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: siagiah (#12)

that the holocaust DID happen.

Of course it happened. People who deny it show their true colors.

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-01-24   13:08:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: A K A Stone (#53)

To: siagiah

that the holocaust DID happen. Of course it happened. People who deny it show their true colors.

AKA, it scares me to find you agreeing with me... ROFLMAO... but stranger things have happened...

The POINT I tried to make was this: The HOLOCAUST HAPPENED... How many Jews died? I dunno... does it matter? It still happened. Haters try to say that it was all invented. WHY? Because they can't allow a group they hate to have ever been actually wronged. During WW2, Jews were wronged with the largescale murder of innocents. (so were many OTHER groups murdered wrongly, did I say they weren't?)...

Fast Forward to America today... The Zionists have USED that wrongful murderous episode to benefit themselves WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY OUT OF PROPORTION to their sufferings, ignoring the fact that OTHERS, too, have suffered in the same fashion. Today's Zionist movement is a BAD THING for America but saying so doesn't mean I must deny the holocaust actually happened... duh...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-24   13:40:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: siagiah (#59)

Today's Zionist movement is a BAD THING for America but saying so doesn't mean I must deny the holocaust actually happened... duh...

Zionism is hardly a modern phenomenon. The Zionists held no compunction whatsoever of sacrificing other Jews if it would bring about the estblishment of the Isreli state. This they did on countless occasions. This is one of the main reasons the Israeli state is a fraud perpetrated on the many for the benefit of the few.

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-01-24   14:02:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: BTP Holdings (#64)

Zionism is hardly a modern phenomenon. The Zionists held no compunction whatsoever of sacrificing other Jews if it would bring about the estblishment of the Isreli state. This they did on countless occasions. This is one of the main reasons the Israeli state is a fraud perpetrated on the many for the benefit of the few.

There is nothing in the world wrong with wanting to reclaim your homeland.

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-01-24   14:03:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: A K A Stone (#65)

There is nothing in the world wrong with wanting to reclaim your homeland.

How is it the so-called "Jews" homeland? What right do they have to it? Do you really think a God who won;t even hear the prayer of those that reject his Son Jesus Christ would be on the side of such people in any way shape or form? Israel was established again in 1948 by the devil himself, God had nothing to do with it. God did promise that land to Abraham's seed. Only problem is that the so called "Jews" of today and many other people never have figured out that Abraham's seed is composed of those that worship God in truth and spirit and have unwavering faith that Jesus is the Son of God, and that we are saved through his sacrifice on Calvary and live for him with all of their heart. Those people are the true Jews, those people are the real children of God and the real rightful and eventual owners of the state of Israel. Yes, Christians will rule Israel and so-called "Jews" will not be welcome in way shape or form.

RickyJ  posted on  2006-01-24   22:58:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: RickyJ (#95)

How is it the so-called "Jews" homeland? What right do they have to it? Do you really think a God who won;t even hear the prayer of those that reject his Son Jesus Christ would be on the side of such people in any way shape or form? Israel was established again in 1948 by the devil himself, God had nothing to do with it. God did promise that land to Abraham's seed. Only problem is that the so called "Jews" of today and many other people never have figured out that Abraham's seed is composed of those that worship God in truth and spirit and have unwavering faith that Jesus is the Son of God, and that we are saved through his sacrifice on Calvary and live for him with all of their heart. Those people are the true Jews, those people are the real children of God and the real rightful and eventual owners of the state of Israel. Yes, Christians will rule Israel and so-called "Jews" will not be welcome in way shape or form.

My professional evaluation of you? You're most definitely delusional and seriously mentally ill. Seek help for it before it's too late.

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-25   0:24:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: siagiah, RickyJ, Tom007 (#98)

My professional evaluation of you? You're most definitely delusional and seriously mentally ill. Seek help for it before it's too late.

siagiah, it is your perogative to speak agains the bible if you want. But I feel I should tell you that this is what you are doing. RickyJ is only expressing the standard view of the bible. Right in the old testament (jewish part of the bible) it says that the seed of abraham is those who believe and not those who are the biological seed. and it says expressly that the blessings bestowed on the jews are for those who are the believers, not the biologcial seed. I would not say that all jews reject god, but many do. if you do an opinion survey among the israelis, they will tell you this themselves. in matthew jesus told some jewish clerics directly that his father would take away their blessing and give it to a nation that brings forth the fruits of god. in revelation in john's vision jesus did say that in the season of the end there would be many who claim to be jew, but are really with synagogue of satan.

I was just thinking today how ironic it is that jesus was born in bethlehem which is part of modern-day palestine. all evidence is that jesus was racially and ethnically just like the palestinians of today. and look how many of the jews have chosen to specifically hate that group of people.

It is your choice siagiah to be a scoffer and a denier. but you should know that it is your choice and what choice you're making.

Red Jones  posted on  2006-01-25   9:31:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: Red Jones. Tom007, RickyJ (#101)

Right on, Red:

Agtiprop disrupters are quick to resort to epithets (racist, subversive, pervert, hate monger, nut, crackpot, degenerate, un-American, anti-semite, red, commie, nazi, kook, fink, liar, bigot, and so on) to label and condemn opponents in order to divert attention from their arguments and to discourage others from hearing them out. These epithets don't have to be proved to be effective; the mere fact that they have been said is often enough.

Zoroaster  posted on  2006-01-25   10:01:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: Zoroaster (#102)

To: Red Jones. Tom007, RickyJ

Right on, Red:

Agtiprop disrupters are quick to resort to epithets (racist, subversive, pervert, hate monger, nut, crackpot, degenerate, un-American, anti-semite, red, commie, nazi, kook, fink, liar, bigot, and so on) to label and condemn opponents in order to divert attention from their arguments and to discourage others from hearing them out. These epithets don't have to be proved to be effective; the mere fact that they have been said is often enough.

I hope you aren't suggesting that I fit your aforementioned profile. I did not "call" anyone anything, most particularly not any of the "epithets" you listed. I simply stated my professional opinion about a person whose on line statements indicate a fanatical personality full of hate for their fellow man. That kind of problem requires professional help lest he become consumed in his own hatred! Suggesting that those who disagree with your fantasies are agtiprop disrupters is a wee bit over the top and bordering on pretentious... ROFLMAO... So get over yourself already...

None of you can deny your HATRED for the Jews... and regardless of where a body stands on the subject of "god"... I believe we can ALL AGREE that Jesus did not stand for HATRED... but then, most of his "followers" believe otherwise...

PSSST, the old testament was fulfilled when Jesus died on the cross. The old testament is no longer valid or binding... or didn't you know???? LOL

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-25   10:38:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: siagiah (#103)

None of you can deny your HATRED for the Jews...

Your self-flattery equals your self-loathing!


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-01-25   19:08:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: SKYDRIFTER (#122)

Your self-flattery equals your self-loathing!

What are you talking about? Truly, I have no idea where this came from. I wasn't referring to YOU with that remark about "none being able to deny their hatred for the Jews"... I **thought** I was directing it at a couple of posters who very clearly despise Jews just for existing... You weren't amongst them...

So.... ??????? and even if you thought I was directing it at you... WHAT does your remark mean? I don't get where you are coming from... All sarcasm and/or jest aside... Please explain?

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-25   22:04:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: siagiah (#123)

**thought** I was directing it at a couple of posters who very clearly despise Jews just for existing... You weren't amongst them...

O brother.

tom007  posted on  2006-01-25   22:52:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: All (#125)

who very clearly despise Jews just for existing..

This whole scholck is geting a little thin.

tom007  posted on  2006-01-25   22:53:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: tom007 (#126)

This whole scholck is geting a little thin.

Whatever... if you don't see the blatant hatred spewing out of SOME of the posters on this thread, fine... I don't care. I was simply giving my opinion of it all which is why everyone's here, non?... I guess that's not okay with you? No biggie... I didn't really expect to be understood by the folks I was addressing with my remarks. It ain't easy being green... latah...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-25   23:06:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: siagiah (#129)

if you don't see the if you don't see the blatant hatred spewing out of SOME of the posters on this thread, fine... I don't care. on this thread, fine... I don't care.

I do not read every post, yet I cannot recollect "you don't see the blatant hatred spewing out of SOME" I don't think it is there.

I do see concerns that the tribe has infiltrated into the workings of government with their chavanistic ideology, but I hardly can call there concerns "Hatered", can you?

tom007  posted on  2006-01-25   23:24:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: tom007 (#131)

I do see concerns that the tribe has infiltrated into the workings of government with their chavanistic ideology, but I hardly can call there concerns "Hatered", can you?

No, I don't consider THAT hatred... Strangely enough, I SHARE that view but you'd know that if you'd actually bothered to read what I actually said...

Isn't it funny (odd, not haha) how people can read the same thing as another and not see the same thing? Or maybe it's because they DIDN'T read it but simply assume they know what it says because someone ELSE who didn't read it but posted responses as if they did gives them the wrong impression so others just presume they know what's there when they actually don't?... personally, because I know you are intelligent and CAN READ & COMPREHEND, I'm leaning heavily towards the latter.

I maintain that certain individuals here have posted hatefilled posts that cannot be construed as anything BUT hatred for THE JEWS AS A WHOLE read straight up and when you read between the lines... and that their disdain is NOT simply a conflict with them over political zionism that HURTS AMERICA.

I also maintain that my posts CLEARLY state my view that ZIONISM is bad for America, that putting ISRAEL's interests before America's is just plain WRONG in my opinion... HOWEVER, aside from THAT particular activity, I have no problem whatsoever with THE JEWS.

After actually re-READING the posts above, in all honesty, can you say that is true of each and every one of the posters who responded here? That there is NO UNDERCURRENT OF HATRED permeating several posts? I believe that you will see my point if you review the thread with an eye for the thoughts BEHIND the words... Give it a shot... You just might be surprised at how wrong you are about what I actually said and think...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-26   1:00:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: All (#135)

FROM ABOVE:

#39. To: YertleTurtle (#0) While the population of the world has increased six-fold in the last hundred years to more than six billion souls, the number of Jews, some 14 million today, has remained approximately the same. Evil is unproductive, barren,. and eventually perishes of its own sterility. This is the way of Nature. She deals ruthlessly with any population, race or ethnic group, which fails to solve the problems of its environment.. The low birthrate among Jews is a continuing echo of Nature’s way of weeding out evil.

On a human level, the Nazi expulsion of Jews from Western Europe was an extreme example of a majority group seeking to rid itself of a parasitical minority group that was a threat to kinship and social laws, i.e. culture.

These defilers of all races and cultures have caused dissention and turmoil wherever they have gone for the past 2,000 years. Whether it’s Nazi-style suppression of Palestinians on their own land, land stolen from them by the Zionist-controlled Israeli Government, or the corruption and financial ruin of the host nations, say, the disastrous effect of the Hollywood syndrome upon American culture or the near bankruptcy of Russia, the pattern of evil and desolation is same wherever they are found.

Nature, however, offers hope. The low Jewish birthrate in America suggests they may go the way of the Dodo bird and become extinct in 100 years. And the high birthrate of Palestinians indicates that Jews will be a minority population in Israel, including the occupied territories, within 30 years. The downside is that the bastards are working diligently to suck America into a full-scale war in the Middle East, which will drastically reduce the Arab population, or, if that fails, there’s always Israel’s nuclear arsenal.

Perhaps, if humanity is lucky, their lack of procreative success will ultimately bring about their downfall.

Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.

Zoroaster posted on 2006-01-24 01:16:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

I guess we should all start humming KUMBAYA now? Let's all feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel the love...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-26   1:37:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: All (#136)

Zoroaster wrote: The low birthrate among Jews is a continuing echo of Nature’s way of weeding out evil.

#92. To: Zoroaster (#39) IMO people aren't born as "Jews" they become one when the reject Jesus as their Lord and Savior. Jesus himself called them devils, vipers, serpents. He proclaimed how extremely unlikely that they would be able to escape the eternal damnation of hell given their current condition and the prospects that they would change. "Jews" are the enemies of Christ. Any Christian that embraces the demonic state of Israel, is a Christian in name only, just like the "Jews" of today are Jews in name only.

God is always good! "It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]

RickyJ posted on 2006-01-24 22:31:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

Oh, it makes my heart MELT at the love in these words... My little devils... sweet little vipers adn serpents... let's revel in eternal damnation because we love you SOOOO MUCH... What's that you say? Jews are the ENEMIES OF CHRIST? oh dear... where is the love you say?

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