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Title: Why the Holocaust Could Not Have Happened
Source: Badlands
URL Source: http://littlegeneva.com/badlands/?p=1139
Published: Jan 23, 2006
Author: Badlands
Post Date: 2006-01-23 19:35:51 by YertleTurtle
Keywords: Holocaust, Happened, Could
Views: 1242
Comments: 189

Having read emotional letters from Jewish writers in the press, I feel compelled to comment myself.

I am acquainted with military history and have read substantially on the subject. One Jewish writer stated that he was not even alive at the time of the Second World War. As another writer stated, there are always two sides to the coin. Well, I was not alive at that time either, so it follows that the only source of information available to the post-war generations is history as it was written down for us.

History has not and never will be recorded objectively, as every historian writes according to his own subjective view and in his own book will try to prove his own thesis. The mass-murder of six million Jews, however, is a myth. This is admitted and proved primarily by British and American authors, and while withholding my own views, here is some information to consider:

According to evidence led in a paper entitled “The Third Reich”, three to four million Jews were murdered in Auschwitz alone. This is mathematically impossible. Auschwitz was in operation for four years. Let’s assume only three million people were killed here — in one year, that would be 750,000 or 62,500 a month — or 2,083 a day!

According to the German Christian Democratic delegate, Eric Blumenfeld of Hamburg, who was incarcerated at Auschwitz, killings only took place at night, for reasons of secrecy — a period of 12 hours. Thus, 2,082 people should have been killed every 12 hours out of 24 for 1,460 days (four years).

Assuming the corpses were buried, and seeing that sand is four tenths heavier than the human body (proportionately), at an average of 50 kilograms per body, 70 kilograms of sand would be displaced per corpse [a kilogram is equal to 2.2 pounds for practical purposes]. At 2,083 bodies a day, with a corpse mass of 104.2 metric tons, this would be 145.8 metric tons of soil to be removed daily!

In four years, assuming there were “only” 3 million bodies buried, this would leave 212,868 metric tons of soil piled up somewhere. Where is it? There is also the argument that the bodies were burned (also a mathematical impossibility). The calculations are based on figures and evidence from the ultra-modern and efficient crematorium at Dortmund in Germany. To burn one corpse completely requires 31 kilograms of coal. The 2,083 people allegedly killed in Auschwitz daily would have required more than 65 metric tons of coal, which was extremely valuable to the war effort — each day. For Germany, this was impossible.

Burning the bodies was impossible for another reason. In the most modern crematoriums today, one body requires about 2? hours to be completely cremated. Even if Auschwitz had had 100 burning chambers, the 3 million corpses would have taken 15 years to cremate, burning only in the 12-hour period each day.

Each body produces on average 2 kilograms of ash. Three million corpses would create 6,000 metric tons of ash. This ash, all 6,000 metric tons of it would make quite a heap. Where were all these ash-heaps after the war?

In closing, I would like to add that all recorded history is on paper and on paper you can write anything, even that 6 million Jews were killed. Paper is patient!

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#19. To: siagiah (#17)

Hmmm... okay... Apparently I've missed the subtle joke ... or did you just wanna change the subject? LOL

No Dak just likes the Cowboy Junkies!.. well least I think so.. you just never know :P

Zipporah  posted on  2006-01-23   21:11:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Zipporah (#3)

he told a disturbing story of how the Czechs were being attacked by the Germans.. and the Americans had an entire army close enough that they could quickly help the Czechs.. But they had to remain where they were.. by presidential order.. he said the Czechs were begging for help from the Americans.. many dying.. why?

With the tremendous poverty in Germany after WW1, WW2 was guaranteed. You can't rob a country like the "allies" and "Jews" robbed Germany and not expect a response. The end of WW1 made WW2 unavoidable. The end of WW2 also ensures WW3.

God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]

RickyJ  posted on  2006-01-23   21:12:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Dakmar (#18)

To: siagiah Just me yellin Hey, ok? I do that, deal with it.

Are you angry? I was merely curious if there was a joke I missed... I HATE missing out of a good chuckle... Chill...

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-23   21:18:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: RickyJ (#20)

With the tremendous poverty in Germany after WW1, WW2 was guaranteed.

A man who lives on my street parent's are from Germany..He' in his early 80s.. he still had family in Germany prior to WW2.. he told me that the inflation there was so bad there was that one day bread would be high but then the next day you couldnt buy a loaf of bread with a wheel barrow full of money.. he also told of some of what it was like living under Hitler.. lots of people disappeared.. for the slightest 'infraction'..

Zipporah  posted on  2006-01-23   21:19:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: RickyJ (#20)

he end of WW1 made WW2 unavoidable.

As well as the way the French and English governments drained the German population' material wealth, and made it known that it would go on forever. Endless reparations. I think that is what really brought Hitler to power, more than just about anything else.

"Our country is now geared to an arms economy bred in an artificially-induced psychosis of war hysteria and an incessant propaganda of fear." -- General Douglas MacArthur

tom007  posted on  2006-01-23   21:20:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: siagiah (#1)

There is no doubt that Germany murdered significant numbers of Jews. Whether it was 6 million, 300 million, or 600,000 isn't the important part that folks need to remember. The outrageous murder of citizens done with the silent approval of the populace or done in spite of disapproval due to a fear of reprisal for speaking out is the important part. Genocide can and does happen and we must not allow it. There is no doubt that the Holocaust DID happen.

Correction:

There is no doubt that the "Jews" murdered significant numbers of Germans. Whether it was 6 million, 300 million, or 600,000 isn't the important part that folks need to remember. The outrageous murder of citizens done with the silent approval of the "Jews" or done in spite of disapproval due to a fear of reprisal for speaking out is the important part. Genocide can and does happen and we must not allow it. There is no doubt that the Holocaust DID happen.

There that's better.

God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]

RickyJ  posted on  2006-01-23   21:20:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: siagiah (#21)

You didn't miss a thing except 30 years of listening to vinyl records maybe. Even that seems stupid now.

We've been challenged, and we've risen to those challenges. We've climbed the mighty mountain. I see the valley below, and it's a valley of peace. - W

Dakmar  posted on  2006-01-23   21:22:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: RickyJ (#24)

Whatever Ricky J...

Advice? Try letting your brain come out for air now and then... it's good for what ails ya...

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-23   21:24:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Dakmar (#25)

You didn't miss a thing except 30 years of listening to vinyl records maybe. Even that seems stupid now.

Hard to imagine but I own TONS of vinyl... !!!

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-23   21:24:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: siagiah (#1)

You can't credibly say that the holocaust did not happen.

You can't credibly say that it did happen. Many killed in Germany were killed by American bombers. Sorry, war is hell and the pathetic "Jews" are milking it for all it's worth. There was no Holocaust against the "Jews".

God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]

RickyJ  posted on  2006-01-23   21:25:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: siagiah (#12)

YOU posted an article saying that the GERMAN HOLOCAUST DID NOT HAPPEN

The holocaust, defined as the sacred six million, DID NOT happen. Holocaust, strictly defined, means to consumed by fire. Dresden was a holocaust; "the Holocaust" that most people believe happened, with four million people gassed and incinerated at Auswitz, thousands of people a day for four straight years without a break, didn't.

Pay some attention to the math in the article. Break it down by people per minute and you'll realize it's utterly impossible for "the Holocaust" to have happened.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-01-23   21:33:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: RickyJ (#28)

To: siagiah

You can't credibly say that the holocaust did not happen. You can't credibly say that it did happen. Many killed in Germany were killed by American bombers. Sorry, war is hell and the pathetic "Jews" are milking it for all it's worth. There was no Holocaust against the "Jews".

Ricky J, don't be trying to force me to bozo you to make your silly bait disappear... I'm sure it'll hardly be worth the effort. In a battle using knowledge and our respective intelligence as our weapons, I'm afraid I'd be facing an unarmed man.

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-23   21:34:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: YertleTurtle (#29)

Yertle, it's not worth the effort to discuss further with you. Believe whatever you want. I couldn't care less.

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-23   21:35:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: siagiah (#31)

I couldn't care less.

Live in your fantasy world all you wish.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-01-23   21:38:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: YertleTurtle (#32)

Live in your fantasy world all you wish

Why thank you~!! It's so kind of you to grant me that permission... Now I'll grant you permission to run along now... Certainly there is some grave financial injustice being committed by some rogue, self-serving Jew that requires your immediate attention lest they get away scot free with their crime

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-23   21:41:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: siagiah (#1)

Just curious:

Do you have any thoughts with respect to a Holocaust Museum established on US soil? For example: Why is such a display on US soil? What purpose does it serve? Should there be on an Armenian Holocaust Museum? An American Indian Museum? A Mao Tse-tung Museum?

Why is there only ONE Museum, purportedly for the purpose of exposing genocide?

You either don't "get it," or are stupid beyond belief, or are a Zionist despite your protestations to the contrary.

Or, you might provide to this discussion a clearer understanding of your position.

Ball in your court.

Bulls Make Money, Bears Make Money, Pigs Get Slaughtered

rack42  posted on  2006-01-23   22:15:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Dakmar, siagiah (#16)

Bus Hair diaries?

It's a Cowboy Junkies band thing, ugly side of touring.

Oh, holy shit, now you're stirring up the grey matter. I've seen some ugly things going on back stage. ;0)

The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-01-23   22:41:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: BTP Holdings, siagiah (#35)

I posted to wrong thread, but I wasn't going to back down. Someone, somewhere was talking about bad hair.

We've been challenged, and we've risen to those challenges. We've climbed the mighty mountain. I see the valley below, and it's a valley of peace. - W

Dakmar  posted on  2006-01-23   22:44:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: rack42, ping to, zipporah, christine, robin (#34)

To: siagiah Just curious:

Do you have any thoughts with respect to a Holocaust Museum established on US soil? For example: Why is such a display on US soil? What purpose does it serve? Should there be on an Armenian Holocaust Museum? An American Indian Museum? A Mao Tse-tung Museum?

Why is there only ONE Museum, purportedly for the purpose of exposing genocide?

You either don't "get it," or are stupid beyond belief, or are a Zionist despite your protestations to the contrary.

Or, you might provide to this discussion a clearer understanding of your position.

Ball in your court.

Rack42: Let me clue you about something you apparently don't comprehend....

Discussions about the American museum have NOTHING whatsoever to do with whether or not the holocaust happened or not. You must either not get it, are stupid beyond belief, or you are just an antisemite PRETENDING to be really upset over the injustice shown to other victims of genocide who've been slighted because the wealthy, powerful Zionists in this country happen to have the $$ and the power to get a museum devoted to the JEWISH holocaust erected & paid for with US goverment funds... Two ENTIRELY different subjects that allow THINKING human beings to have two ENTIRELY DIFFERENT VIEWS on... something you'd apparently know nothing about...

My position as far as you're concerned? I matched your rudeness and now I'll raise ya one. You can fuck off... is that clear enough? I see no compelling reason why I should bother to explain my views on a new and separate subject just because you're a rude asshole who thinks that just because you believe you're calling me out, that I will play with you on your terms... You'd be grossly mistaken. What you think of me, my views, or anything else is of no consequence to anyone but you.

I have zero patience tonight for blatant rudeness or obvious stupidity so take your ball with ya.

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-23   23:20:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Dakmar (#36)

To: BTP Holdings, siagiah I posted to wrong thread, but I wasn't going to back down. Someone, somewhere was talking about bad hair.

ROFLMAO... well that's too funny Dak... thanks for explaining the thought process....

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-23   23:22:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: YertleTurtle (#0)

While the population of the world has increased six-fold in the last hundred years to more than six billion souls, the number of Jews, some 14 million today, has remained approximately the same. Evil is unproductive, barren,. and eventually perishes of its own sterility. This is the way of Nature. She deals ruthlessly with any population, race or ethnic group, which fails to solve the problems of its environment.. The low birthrate among Jews is a continuing echo of Nature’s way of weeding out evil.

On a human level, the Nazi expulsion of Jews from Western Europe was an extreme example of a majority group seeking to rid itself of a parasitical minority group that was a threat to kinship and social laws, i.e. culture.

These defilers of all races and cultures have caused dissention and turmoil wherever they have gone for the past 2,000 years. Whether it’s Nazi-style suppression of Palestinians on their own land, land stolen from them by the Zionist-controlled Israeli Government, or the corruption and financial ruin of the host nations, say, the disastrous effect of the Hollywood syndrome upon American culture or the near bankruptcy of Russia, the pattern of evil and desolation is same wherever they are found.

Nature, however, offers hope. The low Jewish birthrate in America suggests they may go the way of the Dodo bird and become extinct in 100 years. And the high birthrate of Palestinians indicates that Jews will be a minority population in Israel, including the occupied territories, within 30 years. The downside is that the bastards are working diligently to suck America into a full-scale war in the Middle East, which will drastically reduce the Arab population, or, if that fails, there’s always Israel’s nuclear arsenal.

Perhaps, if humanity is lucky, their lack of procreative success will ultimately bring about their downfall.

Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.

Zoroaster  posted on  2006-01-24   1:16:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: siagiah (#33)

Live in your fantasy world all you wish. Why thank you~!! It's so kind of you to grant me that permission... Now I'll grant you permission to run along now... Certainly there is some grave financial injustice being committed by some rogue, self-serving Jew that requires your immediate attention lest they get away scot free with their crime

You're welcome.

By the way, Jews in the last 2000 years have been expelled from some 80 countries. Every wonder why? Zoroaster explained quite well in his post below.

I repeat: you live in a fantasy world.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-01-24   5:37:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: YertleTurtle, Zipporah, robin (#40)

The Holocaust is the lynchpin of Jewish supremacy whose champions often assume moral superiority over their opponents because of alleged victimhood, a special relationship with God, membership in a special "elite" or "chosen tribe," and a kind of aloof "highminded" snobbishness that accrues because of the weightiness of their preoccupations, their altruism, and their willingness to sacrifice themselves (and others) to their cause. After all, who can bear to deal with common goys when one is trying to save Yahweh's darlings from goy beasts. The Jewish supremacists can show great indignation when goys are "insensitive" enough to challenge these claims.

In his little box of insidious propaganda the Jewish supremacist keeps many cunning devices, tricks, lies for his Zionist attack dogs to deceive and circumvent decent, honest Americans, and he is never so happy as when he is working these evil things and seeing them go. His favorite trick, right out of the Frankfurt School of Political Correctness, is to call anyone who disagrees with his Holocaust fanasty an anti-Semite. He has worn out his keyboard in working this trick. By calling Americans who question their government’s committment to the holocaust myth anti-Semites, he can identify these Americans with Nazis and claim that threats to Israel can only come from right-wing fanatics.

Don’t overestimate the significance of Zionist trolls on this forum and elsewhere. To be sure, they are a very vocal contingent, but you must keep in mind that they often post on public forums under false pretenses, which in itself should ring alarm bells.

The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of Americans couldn’t care less about Israel, so any Zionist troll who claims to be a loyal American is automatically suspect as being something other than what they claim to be. After all, we are all well acquainted with this tactic. Every agent provocateur and agitprop expert wants to create the false impression that there is a groundswell of support for his cause among the general populace. Hence, its entirely natural that Jewish activists would pose as gentiles, often with elaborate disguises (Catholics, Army Officers, Marines, Vietnam Vets, WWII vets, you name it). Very often there is a single individual posting under various aliases, claims of nationality, etc. to create the illusion of wide- scale, nay, nearly unanimous support for the cause.

Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.

Zoroaster  posted on  2006-01-24   8:39:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Zoroaster (#41)

The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of Americans couldn’t care less about Israel, so any Zionist troll who claims to be a loyal American is automatically suspect as being something other than what they claim to be.

I agree with this statement, and it’s also true that they have managed to inculcate most Americans with a political correctness that causes a knee-jerk loyalty to all things Israel. Lately, I’ve been receiving most of my MSM news from greater NYC area. The amount of anti-Iranian propaganda that is flowing here is beyond belief. So I agree with you. These rats are about to widen the war in the Middle East, based on a perceived threat to Israel. It’s amazing watching this unfold.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-01-24   9:26:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Jethro Tull (#42)

Noted Jethro,

The constant anti-Iranian propaganda coming from the Electric Jew coincides with increased activity of Zionist trolls on this forum.

Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.

Zoroaster  posted on  2006-01-24   9:36:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: YertleTurtle, All (#0)

While there is a "secret" as to the factual numbers of the deaths in the Nazi camps, it appears that 13 million died. Of that number, 4.1 million were Jews. Sure, another 1.9 million were exiles, accounting for the 6 million figure.

Why don't we feel sorry for the other 9 million - only one group whines. Israel sucks billions out of the U.S. tax coffers each year, in consequence. While the USA is being locked-down under the 'separation of church and state,' the exclusively religious and racial State of Israel is funded by billions of dollars each year. Theu USA emptied the camps, we didn't build them.

However, this article is a rotten one, as it uses psyops to re-direct the issue.

How does that work? Whatever the number of dead Jews, most died from starvation, disease, exposure and other forms of murder - the ovens were not reserved for the Jews, alone.

There should be no doubt that the gas chambers and ovens were real. However, they were not the sole execution device for exclusively Jews, nor did they account for all the deaths, Jewish, or otherwise.

If you refuse to think outside the proverbial box, consider yourself to be imprisoned in it - and you'll be burried in it.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-01-24   10:44:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: YertleTurtle, siagiah, Zoroaster, Eoghan, wbales (#40)

The Armenians haven't been real popular either.

They are both insulated, highly ethnocentric groups often trying to live in countries that never wanted them. I strongly suspect that this is the basis for much of their persecution. You could add Gypsies to that list too.

The Armenian Holocaust doesn't get much publicity. They are of course, a variation of Eastern Orthodox Christianity.

http://i-cias.com/e.o/arm_orth.htm

http://groong.usc.edu/fisk.html

"WHO NOW remembers the Armenians?" Hitler asked, just before he embarked on the destruction of European Jewry.

That many Jews were murdered is beyond doubt. The number and method has been questioned. American Jewry sat by and did nothing, I read that at the Simon Wiesenthal Museum of Tolerance in Los Angeles; in the multimedia center.

That Zundel, Germar and Theil (also a Jew, I can't recall his name), and Matt Hale, are being persecuted for questioning how many and the method is outrageous. The media is complicit in hiding the true facts of their situation.

That Jewry has capitalized on their holocaust (and I mean literally capitalized), is abundantly clear.

The remuneration of $$ and artwork is unprecedented in history, to my knowledge.

How many of us have ancestors who were robbed, murdered, and chased out of Scotland and Ireland and Europe (and now Asia)? Shall we all stand in line waiting for their losses? That would be absurd.

How many other groups have control of our government, happily fulfilling the agenda of their homeland, when they are ~2% of the American population?

This is why there is so much discussion of anti-Zionism as opposed to anti-semitism, as we watch our troops filling their lungs with DU, dying in Iraq, next to the Iraqis they have killed and wounded; for what? for WHOM?

"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger." ~Hermann Wilhelm Göring

robin  posted on  2006-01-24   10:45:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: siagiah (#37)

"I have zero patience tonight for blatant rudeness or obvious stupidity so take your ball with ya."

Is it something he said?

Adolf Hitler... "What luck for rulers that men do not think."

John F. Kennedy... "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

wakeup  posted on  2006-01-24   10:52:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Zoroaster (#43)

" The constant anti-Iranian propaganda coming from the Electric Jew coincides with increased activity of Zionist trolls on this forum."

Please, name names. I read too slow and my oldtimers is acting up again. Save me some time and effort please, name names.

Just as I am curious to know who among us comes from the right and who comes from the left, I am interested in Jewish bias, also.

Please, name names.

Adolf Hitler... "What luck for rulers that men do not think."

John F. Kennedy... "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

wakeup  posted on  2006-01-24   11:10:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: robin (#45)

How many of us have ancestors who were robbed, murdered, and chased out of Scotland and Ireland and Europe (and now Asia)? Shall we all stand in line waiting for their losses? That would be absurd.

The English slaughered entire tribes of my Scottish ancestors. Do you see me whining about it and demanding reparations?

YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-01-24   11:11:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: YertleTurtle (#48)

Exactly! I've posted the same thing and haven't had a single response from one ZioNazi. Did you know that the Communist Chinese educational system taught the British Crown's removal of tenant farmers as "Sheep ate people"?

Up until very recently all of Scotland was owned by about 6 people; mostly English Lords.

http://www.electricscotland.com/

http://www.rampantscotland.com/

This one is very humorous:
http://www.firstfoot.com/

"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger." ~Hermann Wilhelm Göring

robin  posted on  2006-01-24   11:22:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: YertleTurtle (#0)

The mass-murder of six million Jews, however, is a myth.

Yes it is.

After the war, FDR, Churchill and DeGaulle wrote huge books about it totalling over 5000 pages. Not once was a final solution mentioned. Not once was a genocide of the Jews mentioned.

The 6 million figure was pushed by the Soviet propagagnda minister years before the war was over.

After WWI, Jews also claimed that 6 million Jews were killed.

At Auschwitz, there is a plaque that states how many were killed at the work camp. The plaque originally said that 4,000,000 were killed (1948). In the late 80's, the plaque was changed again to 1.5 million. There is serious talk now of reducing the number killed to 700,000. The change had the blessings of the Jewish PTB. The number killed went from 4 million to 1.5 million. A reduction of 2.5 million. If the 6 million claim was legitimate,that number would have been reduced to 3.5 million. But it never was.

The Palies are depraved beyond redemption, and they should all rot in hell. Their flesh should bubble up in boils, and pus should ooze from them; their eyes should burst, and the blood run down their oozing pathetic faces. - Goldi Lox Anti-terrorism training is indoctrination into the zionist worldview

Bayonne  posted on  2006-01-24   12:59:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Zoroaster, Christine, Diana, All (#43)

Covet the Electric Jew. Zionism has so many weaknesses, that associated discussion is productive - IF - one knows or researches history, and also recognizes the tactics of psyops.

The Jews can make whatever claims they want & flood their claimed land. I don't care.

When those same people ask me to fund the effort with my taxes - they can go fuck themselves! For all that America has unwittingly given Israel - what return is there? We have too many cases of the USS Liberty & Pollard spy scandals.

For all the benefit Israel gets, they don't as much as offer a single platoon of soldiers in the "coalition."

The American GI is an unwitting proxy-warrior for Israel.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-01-24   13:02:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Bayonne (#50)

At Auschwitz, there is a plaque that states how many were killed at the work camp. The plaque originally said that 4,000,000 were killed (1948). In the late 80's, the plaque was changed again to 1.5 million. There is serious talk now of reducing the number killed to 700,000. The change had the blessings of the Jewish PTB. The number killed went from 4 million to 1.5 million. A reduction of 2.5 million. If the 6 million claim was legitimate,that number would have been reduced to 3.5 million. But it never was.

Interesting!


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-01-24   13:04:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: siagiah (#12)

that the holocaust DID happen.

Of course it happened. People who deny it show their true colors.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-01-24   13:08:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Bayonne (#50)

After WWI, Jews also claimed that 6 million Jews were killed.

I knew about the Auschwitz # change, but not about WWI. Intriguing, same #.

"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger." ~Hermann Wilhelm Göring

robin  posted on  2006-01-24   13:11:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Jethro Tull (#42)

The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of Americans couldn’t care less about Israel,

This is the only statement you've made that I fully agree with. As far as I'm concerned, Israel is a manipulative country who uses PC tactics in the U.S.A. to whip Anerican's into supporting pro-Israel doctrine. Israel as a country can explode into smithereens for all I care... and the ZIONISTS holding America by the balls should have their legs chopped off and be sent home in a basket...

That said, the fact still remains that the Jewish Holocaust DID happen and it should not have. It was wrong then, it's wrong now, and forever, it will be wrong to murder people for belonging to a group others love to hate.

The difference between us? You HATE them on every plane. I hate the ZIONIST movement in America that cripples our leaders into supporting proIsrael ideals before proAmerican ideals. THAT is the entire focus of my problem with "the Jews"... I prefer to separate myself from folks like you who just plain HATE THEM...

If you don't see the difference, it's YOUR problem. I won't be pressured to "join you or be agin' you" like our malodorous misleader GWB does with the proZionist bullshit he shoves down our collective throats...

Bottom line, AMERICA FIRST... if Israel benefits, fine... Not the other way around...

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-24   13:17:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: YertleTurtle (#29)

Holocaust, strictly defined, means to consumed by fire.

The proper title, The Holocaust, was not introduced into the culture until about 1976. In 76, Dustin Hoffman made a movie involving Nazis called The Marathon Man. In it, there is no mention of The Holocaust. The proper titling was done to make the events of WWII unique in all of history. Holocaust- meaning consumed by fire, is a word that provokes powerful imagery in everyone's mind.

The Palies are depraved beyond redemption, and they should all rot in hell. Their flesh should bubble up in boils, and pus should ooze from them; their eyes should burst, and the blood run down their oozing pathetic faces. - Goldi Lox Anti-terrorism training is indoctrination into the zionist worldview

Bayonne  posted on  2006-01-24   13:25:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: SKYDRIFTER (#44)

On 2006-01-24 10:44:10, SKYDRIFTER wrote:

To: YertleTurtle, All While there is a "secret" as to the factual numbers of the deaths in the Nazi camps, it appears that 13 million died. Of that number, 4.1 million were Jews. Sure, another 1.9 million were exiles, accounting for the 6 million figure.

Why don't we feel sorry for the other 9 million - only one group whines. Israel sucks billions out of the U.S. tax coffers each year, in consequence. While the USA is being locked-down under the 'separation of church and state,' the exclusively religious and racial State of Israel is funded by billions of dollars each year. Theu USA emptied the camps, we didn't build them.

However, this article is a rotten one, as it uses psyops to re-direct the issue.

How does that work? Whatever the number of dead Jews, most died from starvation, disease, exposure and other forms of murder - the ovens were not reserved for the Jews, alone.

There should be no doubt that the gas chambers and ovens were real. However, they were not the sole execution device for exclusively Jews, nor did they account for all the deaths, Jewish, or otherwise.

If you refuse to think outside the proverbial box, consider yourself to be imprisoned in it - and you'll be burried in it.

I agree wholeheartedly with your post... It's insane how folks full of hatred for certain groups try to deny an obvious historial fact or to obfuscate it all into fitting their personal agenda of hatred for Jews as a whole.

Whether selective groups of the victims deserve SPECIAL, EXCLUSIVE MEMORIALS or PRIVATE COUNTRIES supported by U.S. dollars and military might is entirely another story and not the subject of the original post. My views on THAT are completely different than the haters seem to realize because they are clearly unable to distinguish the fact that they are SEPARATE subjects. The world is not black and white...

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-24   13:28:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: robin (#45)

To: YertleTurtle, siagiah, Zoroaster, Eoghan, wbales The Armenians haven't been real popular either.

They are both insulated, highly ethnocentric groups often trying to live in countries that never wanted them. I strongly suspect that this is the basis for much of their persecution. You could add Gypsies to that list too.

The Armenian Holocaust doesn't get much publicity. They are of course, a variation of Eastern Orthodox Christianity.

http://i-cias.com/e.o/arm_orth.htm

http://groong.usc.edu/fisk.html

"WHO NOW remembers the Armenians?" Hitler asked, just before he embarked on the destruction of European Jewry.

That many Jews were murdered is beyond doubt. The number and method has been questioned. American Jewry sat by and did nothing, I read that at the Simon Wiesenthal Museum of Tolerance in Los Angeles; in the multimedia center.

That Zundel, Germar and Theil (also a Jew, I can't recall his name), and Matt Hale, are being persecuted for questioning how many and the method is outrageous. The media is complicit in hiding the true facts of their situation.

That Jewry has capitalized on their holocaust (and I mean literally capitalized), is abundantly clear.

The remuneration of $$ and artwork is unprecedented in history, to my knowledge.

How many of us have ancestors who were robbed, murdered, and chased out of Scotland and Ireland and Europe (and now Asia)? Shall we all stand in line waiting for their losses? That would be absurd.

How many other groups have control of our government, happily fulfilling the agenda of their homeland, when they are ~2% of the American population?

This is why there is so much discussion of anti-Zionism as opposed to anti-semitism, as we watch our troops filling their lungs with DU, dying in Iraq, next to the Iraqis they have killed and wounded; for what? for WHOM?

Hail ROBIN... well said!! and I concur...

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-24   13:31:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: A K A Stone (#53)

To: siagiah

that the holocaust DID happen. Of course it happened. People who deny it show their true colors.

AKA, it scares me to find you agreeing with me... ROFLMAO... but stranger things have happened...

The POINT I tried to make was this: The HOLOCAUST HAPPENED... How many Jews died? I dunno... does it matter? It still happened. Haters try to say that it was all invented. WHY? Because they can't allow a group they hate to have ever been actually wronged. During WW2, Jews were wronged with the largescale murder of innocents. (so were many OTHER groups murdered wrongly, did I say they weren't?)...

Fast Forward to America today... The Zionists have USED that wrongful murderous episode to benefit themselves WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY OUT OF PROPORTION to their sufferings, ignoring the fact that OTHERS, too, have suffered in the same fashion. Today's Zionist movement is a BAD THING for America but saying so doesn't mean I must deny the holocaust actually happened... duh...

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-24   13:40:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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