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Title: Why the Holocaust Could Not Have Happened
Source: Badlands
URL Source: http://littlegeneva.com/badlands/?p=1139
Published: Jan 23, 2006
Author: Badlands
Post Date: 2006-01-23 19:35:51 by YertleTurtle
Keywords: Holocaust, Happened, Could
Views: 1959
Comments: 189

Having read emotional letters from Jewish writers in the press, I feel compelled to comment myself.

I am acquainted with military history and have read substantially on the subject. One Jewish writer stated that he was not even alive at the time of the Second World War. As another writer stated, there are always two sides to the coin. Well, I was not alive at that time either, so it follows that the only source of information available to the post-war generations is history as it was written down for us.

History has not and never will be recorded objectively, as every historian writes according to his own subjective view and in his own book will try to prove his own thesis. The mass-murder of six million Jews, however, is a myth. This is admitted and proved primarily by British and American authors, and while withholding my own views, here is some information to consider:

According to evidence led in a paper entitled “The Third Reich”, three to four million Jews were murdered in Auschwitz alone. This is mathematically impossible. Auschwitz was in operation for four years. Let’s assume only three million people were killed here — in one year, that would be 750,000 or 62,500 a month — or 2,083 a day!

According to the German Christian Democratic delegate, Eric Blumenfeld of Hamburg, who was incarcerated at Auschwitz, killings only took place at night, for reasons of secrecy — a period of 12 hours. Thus, 2,082 people should have been killed every 12 hours out of 24 for 1,460 days (four years).

Assuming the corpses were buried, and seeing that sand is four tenths heavier than the human body (proportionately), at an average of 50 kilograms per body, 70 kilograms of sand would be displaced per corpse [a kilogram is equal to 2.2 pounds for practical purposes]. At 2,083 bodies a day, with a corpse mass of 104.2 metric tons, this would be 145.8 metric tons of soil to be removed daily!

In four years, assuming there were “only” 3 million bodies buried, this would leave 212,868 metric tons of soil piled up somewhere. Where is it? There is also the argument that the bodies were burned (also a mathematical impossibility). The calculations are based on figures and evidence from the ultra-modern and efficient crematorium at Dortmund in Germany. To burn one corpse completely requires 31 kilograms of coal. The 2,083 people allegedly killed in Auschwitz daily would have required more than 65 metric tons of coal, which was extremely valuable to the war effort — each day. For Germany, this was impossible.

Burning the bodies was impossible for another reason. In the most modern crematoriums today, one body requires about 2? hours to be completely cremated. Even if Auschwitz had had 100 burning chambers, the 3 million corpses would have taken 15 years to cremate, burning only in the 12-hour period each day.

Each body produces on average 2 kilograms of ash. Three million corpses would create 6,000 metric tons of ash. This ash, all 6,000 metric tons of it would make quite a heap. Where were all these ash-heaps after the war?

In closing, I would like to add that all recorded history is on paper and on paper you can write anything, even that 6 million Jews were killed. Paper is patient!

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#1. To: YertleTurtle (#0)

There is no doubt that Germany murdered significant numbers of Jews. Whether it was 6 million, 300 million, or 600,000 isn't the important part that folks need to remember. The outrageous murder of citizens done with the silent approval of the populace or done in spite of disapproval due to a fear of reprisal for speaking out is the important part. Genocide can and does happen and we must not allow it. There is no doubt that the Holocaust DID happen.

I wasn't there. I wasn't even born until a generation after the war ended. BUT my dad was there as part of the liberation forces. He saw the prison camps and plenty of dead bodies. He saw the crematoriums and gas chambers. Mass graves and trains loaded with dead people being shipped out of there for burial elsewhere. (that explains some of where the mountains of ash are) He has no reason to lie to me about it. He has no reason to lie to you either. He's not a Jew, a nazi, or related to anyone who profited or died. He was simply a soldier drafted to go there. What he said he saw, I wholeheartedly believe he saw. I also believe those who survived to tell the tale. I believe that what they witnessed really happened.

You can't credibly say that the holocaust did not happen. You can dispute how many died. Individual witnesses can only speak of groups in the thousands. They don't have the vision of 6 million. Only those who presided over the murders had any clue how many fellow human beings they murdered... so therefore, were there 6 million? I dunno, nobody really knows the precise numbers... but THAT'S the only part that can be reasonably disputed.

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siagiah  posted on  2006-01-23   20:17:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: siagiah (#1)

There is no doubt that Germany murdered significant numbers of Jews

There is a difference between the 700,000 to 1.2 million who actually died, and six million who didn't.

By the way, did you know Communism was originally called "Jewish Bolshevism" because the Communist Party was 90% Jewish -- and they killed 60 million Russians?

YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-01-23   20:27:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: siagiah (#1)

Your story about your father brings to mind something my father told me ..he was in Europe at the end of the war. He said he saw mass graves that were buried not very well.. hands and arms sticking out of the ground with fingers cut off apparently to remove the rings.. He didnt say who these people were.. or exactly where.. He was in Germany, France and Czechoslovakia.. he told a disturbing story of how the Czechs were being attacked by the Germans.. and the Americans had an entire army close enough that they could quickly help the Czechs.. But they had to remain where they were.. by presidential order.. he said the Czechs were begging for help from the Americans.. many dying.. why? Because the Russians by agreement were to be the Czechs liberators.

Zipporah  posted on  2006-01-23   20:27:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: siagiah (#1)

History is hideous if you look at it enough, why get locked into any doctrine?

We've been challenged, and we've risen to those challenges. We've climbed the mighty mountain. I see the valley below, and it's a valley of peace. - W

Dakmar  posted on  2006-01-23   20:28:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: YertleTurtle (#2)

Unless I'm mistaken Yertle, you stated agreement that the holocaust did not happen. Are you wavering in your belief now or did I misunderstand your point in posting this article?

I won't dispute numbers with you because I don't have any knowledge of how many REALLY died. However, your focus on the difference between 1.2 million and 6 million gives me cause to wonder if you are suggesting that 1.2 million is an acceptable number of dead Jews, collateral damage maybe?? therefore it's not a holocaust but an inevitable result of war? Forgive me but I don't understand your position on this??

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-23   20:39:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: siagiah (#1)

good post

"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger." ~Hermann Wilhelm Göring

robin  posted on  2006-01-23   20:41:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Zipporah, Red Jones (#3)

Now I'm gonna look stupid asking everyone if they saw Margo Timmons "Bus Hair" diaries. Have you?

We've been challenged, and we've risen to those challenges. We've climbed the mighty mountain. I see the valley below, and it's a valley of peace. - W

Dakmar  posted on  2006-01-23   20:43:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Zipporah (#3)

To: siagiah Your story about your father brings to mind something my father told me ..he was in Europe at the end of the war. He said he saw mass graves that were buried not very well.. hands and arms sticking out of the ground with fingers cut off apparently to remove the rings.. He didnt say who these people were.. or exactly where.. He was in Germany, France and Czechoslovakia.. he told a disturbing story of how the Czechs were being attacked by the Germans.. and the Americans had an entire army close enough that they could quickly help the Czechs.. But they had to remain where they were.. by presidential order.. he said the Czechs were begging for help from the Americans.. many dying.. why? Because the Russians by agreement were to be the Czechs liberators.

War is hell... this is but one reason why... I sympathize with your Dad... being forced to stand by letting others die for such ridiculous reasons has to be torturous on the soul. I don't fault him for not breaking rank. I suspect he'd have been shot in the back for doing so...

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-23   20:44:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: siagiah (#5)

Unless I'm mistaken Yertle, you stated agreement that the holocaust did not happen. Are you wavering in your belief now or did I misunderstand your point in posting this article?

I won't dispute numbers with you because I don't have any knowledge of how many REALLY died. However, your focus on the difference between 1.2 million and 6 million gives me cause to wonder if you are suggesting that 1.2 million is an acceptable number of dead Jews, collateral damage maybe?? therefore it's not a holocaust but an inevitable result of war? Forgive me but I don't understand your position on this??

There have been lots of holocausts, not just one. King Leopold may have killed up to 10 million Congolese. Why do you not know about that, or the 60 Russians?

Were those 10 million Congolese acceptable, or the 60 million Russians?

Exaggerating one holocaust and ignoring all the others causes nothing but trouble.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-01-23   20:47:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: siagiah (#8)

War is hell... this is but one reason why... I sympathize with your Dad... being forced to stand by letting others die for such ridiculous reasons has to be torturous on the soul. I don't fault him for not breaking rank. I suspect he'd have been shot in the back for doing so...

He wouldve been.. in a second. He didnt speak much about his war experiences but this he often repeated.

Zipporah  posted on  2006-01-23   20:48:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Dakmar (#7)

Now I'm gonna look stupid asking everyone if they saw Margo Timmons "Bus Hair" diaries. Have you?

No but I've seen Bridget Jones Diary but only the first one and Taxicab Confessions do they count? :P

Zipporah  posted on  2006-01-23   20:51:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: YertleTurtle, Zipporah, Robin, Dakmar, All (#9)

There have been lots of holocausts, not just one. King Leopold may have killed up to 10 million Congolese. Why do you not know about that, or the 60 Russians?

Were those 10 million Congolese acceptable, or the 60 million Russians?

Exaggerating one holocaust and ignoring all the others causes nothing but trouble.

Of course the other genocides were not acceptable. Whatever did I say that suggested that I thought they were? I'm confused by your disjointed responses and assumptions about my thoughts.

YOU posted an article saying that the GERMAN HOLOCAUST DID NOT HAPPEN. That is the topic of this thread and the debate you chose to have?? If you'd RATHER debate the concept of an eye for an eye (others were murdered by Jews so the murder of Jews is A-okay with you) or discuss how much you apparently dislike Jews in general, go for it, but at least stay on topic within your own thread!! Don't fault me for not knowing what you want to discuss if you don't even know.

To answer your final shot, I don't think that the world is IGNORING all the others, I think that modern day ZIONISTS are just better at keeping theirs "front page" for their own politically motivated reasons... but THAT'S another story unrelated to whether the largescale MURDER of unknown numbers of Jews did or did not happen. I'm NOT on board with the ZIONIST movement or their manipulative politics in the USA... even though I recognize that the holocaust DID happen.

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siagiah  posted on  2006-01-23   20:58:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Zipporah (#10)

He wouldve been.. in a second. He didnt speak much about his war experiences but this he often repeated

yes... you can always tell what impressed a soldier the most by the stories they tell over and over as if the retelling will change the ending... and also by the ones they refuse to mention because the memory is too powerful to face again.

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-23   21:00:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Dakmar, Zipporah (#11)

Bus Hair diaries? What the hell is that? I heard something about someone parodying The Diary of Anne Frank, is that it?

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-23   21:02:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: robin (#6)

To: siagiah good post

Thanks Robin...

btw, any news on when Deadwood will return? I miss it...

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siagiah  posted on  2006-01-23   21:03:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: siagiah (#14)

Bus Hair diaries?

It's a Cowboy Junkies band thing, ugly side of touring.

We've been challenged, and we've risen to those challenges. We've climbed the mighty mountain. I see the valley below, and it's a valley of peace. - W

Dakmar  posted on  2006-01-23   21:04:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Dakmar (#16)

Bus Hair diaries? It's a Cowboy Junkies band thing, ugly side of touring.

Hmmm... okay... Apparently I've missed the subtle joke ... or did you just wanna change the subject? LOL

Did you like it? Is there something compelling in it that we should all check out or is it just good ole mindless, fun entertainment that we should kick back with good friends, a glass of happy juice, and laugh at with friends? Right now I could use some of that.

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-23   21:09:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: siagiah (#17)

Just me yellin Hey, ok? I do that, deal with it.

We've been challenged, and we've risen to those challenges. We've climbed the mighty mountain. I see the valley below, and it's a valley of peace. - W

Dakmar  posted on  2006-01-23   21:10:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: siagiah (#17)

Hmmm... okay... Apparently I've missed the subtle joke ... or did you just wanna change the subject? LOL

No Dak just likes the Cowboy Junkies!.. well least I think so.. you just never know :P

Zipporah  posted on  2006-01-23   21:11:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Zipporah (#3)

he told a disturbing story of how the Czechs were being attacked by the Germans.. and the Americans had an entire army close enough that they could quickly help the Czechs.. But they had to remain where they were.. by presidential order.. he said the Czechs were begging for help from the Americans.. many dying.. why?

With the tremendous poverty in Germany after WW1, WW2 was guaranteed. You can't rob a country like the "allies" and "Jews" robbed Germany and not expect a response. The end of WW1 made WW2 unavoidable. The end of WW2 also ensures WW3.

God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]

RickyJ  posted on  2006-01-23   21:12:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Dakmar (#18)

To: siagiah Just me yellin Hey, ok? I do that, deal with it.

Are you angry? I was merely curious if there was a joke I missed... I HATE missing out of a good chuckle... Chill...

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siagiah  posted on  2006-01-23   21:18:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: RickyJ (#20)

With the tremendous poverty in Germany after WW1, WW2 was guaranteed.

A man who lives on my street parent's are from Germany..He' in his early 80s.. he still had family in Germany prior to WW2.. he told me that the inflation there was so bad there was that one day bread would be high but then the next day you couldnt buy a loaf of bread with a wheel barrow full of money.. he also told of some of what it was like living under Hitler.. lots of people disappeared.. for the slightest 'infraction'..

Zipporah  posted on  2006-01-23   21:19:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: RickyJ (#20)

he end of WW1 made WW2 unavoidable.

As well as the way the French and English governments drained the German population' material wealth, and made it known that it would go on forever. Endless reparations. I think that is what really brought Hitler to power, more than just about anything else.

"Our country is now geared to an arms economy bred in an artificially-induced psychosis of war hysteria and an incessant propaganda of fear." -- General Douglas MacArthur

tom007  posted on  2006-01-23   21:20:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: siagiah (#1)

There is no doubt that Germany murdered significant numbers of Jews. Whether it was 6 million, 300 million, or 600,000 isn't the important part that folks need to remember. The outrageous murder of citizens done with the silent approval of the populace or done in spite of disapproval due to a fear of reprisal for speaking out is the important part. Genocide can and does happen and we must not allow it. There is no doubt that the Holocaust DID happen.

Correction:

There is no doubt that the "Jews" murdered significant numbers of Germans. Whether it was 6 million, 300 million, or 600,000 isn't the important part that folks need to remember. The outrageous murder of citizens done with the silent approval of the "Jews" or done in spite of disapproval due to a fear of reprisal for speaking out is the important part. Genocide can and does happen and we must not allow it. There is no doubt that the Holocaust DID happen.

There that's better.

God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]

RickyJ  posted on  2006-01-23   21:20:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: siagiah (#21)

You didn't miss a thing except 30 years of listening to vinyl records maybe. Even that seems stupid now.

We've been challenged, and we've risen to those challenges. We've climbed the mighty mountain. I see the valley below, and it's a valley of peace. - W

Dakmar  posted on  2006-01-23   21:22:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: RickyJ (#24)

Whatever Ricky J...

Advice? Try letting your brain come out for air now and then... it's good for what ails ya...

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-23   21:24:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Dakmar (#25)

You didn't miss a thing except 30 years of listening to vinyl records maybe. Even that seems stupid now.

Hard to imagine but I own TONS of vinyl... !!!

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-23   21:24:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: siagiah (#1)

You can't credibly say that the holocaust did not happen.

You can't credibly say that it did happen. Many killed in Germany were killed by American bombers. Sorry, war is hell and the pathetic "Jews" are milking it for all it's worth. There was no Holocaust against the "Jews".

God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]

RickyJ  posted on  2006-01-23   21:25:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: siagiah (#12)

YOU posted an article saying that the GERMAN HOLOCAUST DID NOT HAPPEN

The holocaust, defined as the sacred six million, DID NOT happen. Holocaust, strictly defined, means to consumed by fire. Dresden was a holocaust; "the Holocaust" that most people believe happened, with four million people gassed and incinerated at Auswitz, thousands of people a day for four straight years without a break, didn't.

Pay some attention to the math in the article. Break it down by people per minute and you'll realize it's utterly impossible for "the Holocaust" to have happened.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-01-23   21:33:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: RickyJ (#28)

To: siagiah

You can't credibly say that the holocaust did not happen. You can't credibly say that it did happen. Many killed in Germany were killed by American bombers. Sorry, war is hell and the pathetic "Jews" are milking it for all it's worth. There was no Holocaust against the "Jews".

Ricky J, don't be trying to force me to bozo you to make your silly bait disappear... I'm sure it'll hardly be worth the effort. In a battle using knowledge and our respective intelligence as our weapons, I'm afraid I'd be facing an unarmed man.

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-23   21:34:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: YertleTurtle (#29)

Yertle, it's not worth the effort to discuss further with you. Believe whatever you want. I couldn't care less.

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-23   21:35:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: siagiah (#31)

I couldn't care less.

Live in your fantasy world all you wish.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-01-23   21:38:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: YertleTurtle (#32)

Live in your fantasy world all you wish

Why thank you~!! It's so kind of you to grant me that permission... Now I'll grant you permission to run along now... Certainly there is some grave financial injustice being committed by some rogue, self-serving Jew that requires your immediate attention lest they get away scot free with their crime

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siagiah  posted on  2006-01-23   21:41:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: siagiah (#1)

Just curious:

Do you have any thoughts with respect to a Holocaust Museum established on US soil? For example: Why is such a display on US soil? What purpose does it serve? Should there be on an Armenian Holocaust Museum? An American Indian Museum? A Mao Tse-tung Museum?

Why is there only ONE Museum, purportedly for the purpose of exposing genocide?

You either don't "get it," or are stupid beyond belief, or are a Zionist despite your protestations to the contrary.

Or, you might provide to this discussion a clearer understanding of your position.

Ball in your court.

Bulls Make Money, Bears Make Money, Pigs Get Slaughtered

rack42  posted on  2006-01-23   22:15:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Dakmar, siagiah (#16)

Bus Hair diaries?

It's a Cowboy Junkies band thing, ugly side of touring.

Oh, holy shit, now you're stirring up the grey matter. I've seen some ugly things going on back stage. ;0)

The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-01-23   22:41:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: BTP Holdings, siagiah (#35)

I posted to wrong thread, but I wasn't going to back down. Someone, somewhere was talking about bad hair.

We've been challenged, and we've risen to those challenges. We've climbed the mighty mountain. I see the valley below, and it's a valley of peace. - W

Dakmar  posted on  2006-01-23   22:44:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: rack42, ping to, zipporah, christine, robin (#34)

To: siagiah Just curious:

Do you have any thoughts with respect to a Holocaust Museum established on US soil? For example: Why is such a display on US soil? What purpose does it serve? Should there be on an Armenian Holocaust Museum? An American Indian Museum? A Mao Tse-tung Museum?

Why is there only ONE Museum, purportedly for the purpose of exposing genocide?

You either don't "get it," or are stupid beyond belief, or are a Zionist despite your protestations to the contrary.

Or, you might provide to this discussion a clearer understanding of your position.

Ball in your court.

Rack42: Let me clue you about something you apparently don't comprehend....

Discussions about the American museum have NOTHING whatsoever to do with whether or not the holocaust happened or not. You must either not get it, are stupid beyond belief, or you are just an antisemite PRETENDING to be really upset over the injustice shown to other victims of genocide who've been slighted because the wealthy, powerful Zionists in this country happen to have the $$ and the power to get a museum devoted to the JEWISH holocaust erected & paid for with US goverment funds... Two ENTIRELY different subjects that allow THINKING human beings to have two ENTIRELY DIFFERENT VIEWS on... something you'd apparently know nothing about...

My position as far as you're concerned? I matched your rudeness and now I'll raise ya one. You can fuck off... is that clear enough? I see no compelling reason why I should bother to explain my views on a new and separate subject just because you're a rude asshole who thinks that just because you believe you're calling me out, that I will play with you on your terms... You'd be grossly mistaken. What you think of me, my views, or anything else is of no consequence to anyone but you.

I have zero patience tonight for blatant rudeness or obvious stupidity so take your ball with ya.

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siagiah  posted on  2006-01-23   23:20:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Dakmar (#36)

To: BTP Holdings, siagiah I posted to wrong thread, but I wasn't going to back down. Someone, somewhere was talking about bad hair.

ROFLMAO... well that's too funny Dak... thanks for explaining the thought process....

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siagiah  posted on  2006-01-23   23:22:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: YertleTurtle (#0)

While the population of the world has increased six-fold in the last hundred years to more than six billion souls, the number of Jews, some 14 million today, has remained approximately the same. Evil is unproductive, barren,. and eventually perishes of its own sterility. This is the way of Nature. She deals ruthlessly with any population, race or ethnic group, which fails to solve the problems of its environment.. The low birthrate among Jews is a continuing echo of Nature’s way of weeding out evil.

On a human level, the Nazi expulsion of Jews from Western Europe was an extreme example of a majority group seeking to rid itself of a parasitical minority group that was a threat to kinship and social laws, i.e. culture.

These defilers of all races and cultures have caused dissention and turmoil wherever they have gone for the past 2,000 years. Whether it’s Nazi-style suppression of Palestinians on their own land, land stolen from them by the Zionist-controlled Israeli Government, or the corruption and financial ruin of the host nations, say, the disastrous effect of the Hollywood syndrome upon American culture or the near bankruptcy of Russia, the pattern of evil and desolation is same wherever they are found.

Nature, however, offers hope. The low Jewish birthrate in America suggests they may go the way of the Dodo bird and become extinct in 100 years. And the high birthrate of Palestinians indicates that Jews will be a minority population in Israel, including the occupied territories, within 30 years. The downside is that the bastards are working diligently to suck America into a full-scale war in the Middle East, which will drastically reduce the Arab population, or, if that fails, there’s always Israel’s nuclear arsenal.

Perhaps, if humanity is lucky, their lack of procreative success will ultimately bring about their downfall.

Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.

Zoroaster  posted on  2006-01-24   1:16:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: siagiah (#33)

Live in your fantasy world all you wish. Why thank you~!! It's so kind of you to grant me that permission... Now I'll grant you permission to run along now... Certainly there is some grave financial injustice being committed by some rogue, self-serving Jew that requires your immediate attention lest they get away scot free with their crime

You're welcome.

By the way, Jews in the last 2000 years have been expelled from some 80 countries. Every wonder why? Zoroaster explained quite well in his post below.

I repeat: you live in a fantasy world.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-01-24   5:37:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: YertleTurtle, Zipporah, robin (#40)

The Holocaust is the lynchpin of Jewish supremacy whose champions often assume moral superiority over their opponents because of alleged victimhood, a special relationship with God, membership in a special "elite" or "chosen tribe," and a kind of aloof "highminded" snobbishness that accrues because of the weightiness of their preoccupations, their altruism, and their willingness to sacrifice themselves (and others) to their cause. After all, who can bear to deal with common goys when one is trying to save Yahweh's darlings from goy beasts. The Jewish supremacists can show great indignation when goys are "insensitive" enough to challenge these claims.

In his little box of insidious propaganda the Jewish supremacist keeps many cunning devices, tricks, lies for his Zionist attack dogs to deceive and circumvent decent, honest Americans, and he is never so happy as when he is working these evil things and seeing them go. His favorite trick, right out of the Frankfurt School of Political Correctness, is to call anyone who disagrees with his Holocaust fanasty an anti-Semite. He has worn out his keyboard in working this trick. By calling Americans who question their government’s committment to the holocaust myth anti-Semites, he can identify these Americans with Nazis and claim that threats to Israel can only come from right-wing fanatics.

Don’t overestimate the significance of Zionist trolls on this forum and elsewhere. To be sure, they are a very vocal contingent, but you must keep in mind that they often post on public forums under false pretenses, which in itself should ring alarm bells.

The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of Americans couldn’t care less about Israel, so any Zionist troll who claims to be a loyal American is automatically suspect as being something other than what they claim to be. After all, we are all well acquainted with this tactic. Every agent provocateur and agitprop expert wants to create the false impression that there is a groundswell of support for his cause among the general populace. Hence, its entirely natural that Jewish activists would pose as gentiles, often with elaborate disguises (Catholics, Army Officers, Marines, Vietnam Vets, WWII vets, you name it). Very often there is a single individual posting under various aliases, claims of nationality, etc. to create the illusion of wide- scale, nay, nearly unanimous support for the cause.

Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.

Zoroaster  posted on  2006-01-24   8:39:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Zoroaster (#41)

The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of Americans couldn’t care less about Israel, so any Zionist troll who claims to be a loyal American is automatically suspect as being something other than what they claim to be.

I agree with this statement, and it’s also true that they have managed to inculcate most Americans with a political correctness that causes a knee-jerk loyalty to all things Israel. Lately, I’ve been receiving most of my MSM news from greater NYC area. The amount of anti-Iranian propaganda that is flowing here is beyond belief. So I agree with you. These rats are about to widen the war in the Middle East, based on a perceived threat to Israel. It’s amazing watching this unfold.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-01-24   9:26:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Jethro Tull (#42)

Noted Jethro,

The constant anti-Iranian propaganda coming from the Electric Jew coincides with increased activity of Zionist trolls on this forum.

Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.

Zoroaster  posted on  2006-01-24   9:36:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: YertleTurtle, All (#0)

While there is a "secret" as to the factual numbers of the deaths in the Nazi camps, it appears that 13 million died. Of that number, 4.1 million were Jews. Sure, another 1.9 million were exiles, accounting for the 6 million figure.

Why don't we feel sorry for the other 9 million - only one group whines. Israel sucks billions out of the U.S. tax coffers each year, in consequence. While the USA is being locked-down under the 'separation of church and state,' the exclusively religious and racial State of Israel is funded by billions of dollars each year. Theu USA emptied the camps, we didn't build them.

However, this article is a rotten one, as it uses psyops to re-direct the issue.

How does that work? Whatever the number of dead Jews, most died from starvation, disease, exposure and other forms of murder - the ovens were not reserved for the Jews, alone.

There should be no doubt that the gas chambers and ovens were real. However, they were not the sole execution device for exclusively Jews, nor did they account for all the deaths, Jewish, or otherwise.

If you refuse to think outside the proverbial box, consider yourself to be imprisoned in it - and you'll be burried in it.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-01-24   10:44:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: YertleTurtle, siagiah, Zoroaster, Eoghan, wbales (#40)

The Armenians haven't been real popular either.

They are both insulated, highly ethnocentric groups often trying to live in countries that never wanted them. I strongly suspect that this is the basis for much of their persecution. You could add Gypsies to that list too.

The Armenian Holocaust doesn't get much publicity. They are of course, a variation of Eastern Orthodox Christianity.

http://i-cias.com/e.o/arm_orth.htm

http://groong.usc.edu/fisk.html

"WHO NOW remembers the Armenians?" Hitler asked, just before he embarked on the destruction of European Jewry.

That many Jews were murdered is beyond doubt. The number and method has been questioned. American Jewry sat by and did nothing, I read that at the Simon Wiesenthal Museum of Tolerance in Los Angeles; in the multimedia center.

That Zundel, Germar and Theil (also a Jew, I can't recall his name), and Matt Hale, are being persecuted for questioning how many and the method is outrageous. The media is complicit in hiding the true facts of their situation.

That Jewry has capitalized on their holocaust (and I mean literally capitalized), is abundantly clear.

The remuneration of $$ and artwork is unprecedented in history, to my knowledge.

How many of us have ancestors who were robbed, murdered, and chased out of Scotland and Ireland and Europe (and now Asia)? Shall we all stand in line waiting for their losses? That would be absurd.

How many other groups have control of our government, happily fulfilling the agenda of their homeland, when they are ~2% of the American population?

This is why there is so much discussion of anti-Zionism as opposed to anti-semitism, as we watch our troops filling their lungs with DU, dying in Iraq, next to the Iraqis they have killed and wounded; for what? for WHOM?

"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger." ~Hermann Wilhelm Göring

robin  posted on  2006-01-24   10:45:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: siagiah (#37)

"I have zero patience tonight for blatant rudeness or obvious stupidity so take your ball with ya."

Is it something he said?

Adolf Hitler... "What luck for rulers that men do not think."

John F. Kennedy... "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

wakeup  posted on  2006-01-24   10:52:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Zoroaster (#43)

" The constant anti-Iranian propaganda coming from the Electric Jew coincides with increased activity of Zionist trolls on this forum."

Please, name names. I read too slow and my oldtimers is acting up again. Save me some time and effort please, name names.

Just as I am curious to know who among us comes from the right and who comes from the left, I am interested in Jewish bias, also.

Please, name names.

Adolf Hitler... "What luck for rulers that men do not think."

John F. Kennedy... "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

wakeup  posted on  2006-01-24   11:10:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: robin (#45)

How many of us have ancestors who were robbed, murdered, and chased out of Scotland and Ireland and Europe (and now Asia)? Shall we all stand in line waiting for their losses? That would be absurd.

The English slaughered entire tribes of my Scottish ancestors. Do you see me whining about it and demanding reparations?

YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-01-24   11:11:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: YertleTurtle (#48)

Exactly! I've posted the same thing and haven't had a single response from one ZioNazi. Did you know that the Communist Chinese educational system taught the British Crown's removal of tenant farmers as "Sheep ate people"?

Up until very recently all of Scotland was owned by about 6 people; mostly English Lords.

http://www.electricscotland.com/

http://www.rampantscotland.com/

This one is very humorous:
http://www.firstfoot.com/

"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger." ~Hermann Wilhelm Göring

robin  posted on  2006-01-24   11:22:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: YertleTurtle (#0)

The mass-murder of six million Jews, however, is a myth.

Yes it is.

After the war, FDR, Churchill and DeGaulle wrote huge books about it totalling over 5000 pages. Not once was a final solution mentioned. Not once was a genocide of the Jews mentioned.

The 6 million figure was pushed by the Soviet propagagnda minister years before the war was over.

After WWI, Jews also claimed that 6 million Jews were killed.

At Auschwitz, there is a plaque that states how many were killed at the work camp. The plaque originally said that 4,000,000 were killed (1948). In the late 80's, the plaque was changed again to 1.5 million. There is serious talk now of reducing the number killed to 700,000. The change had the blessings of the Jewish PTB. The number killed went from 4 million to 1.5 million. A reduction of 2.5 million. If the 6 million claim was legitimate,that number would have been reduced to 3.5 million. But it never was.

The Palies are depraved beyond redemption, and they should all rot in hell. Their flesh should bubble up in boils, and pus should ooze from them; their eyes should burst, and the blood run down their oozing pathetic faces. - Goldi Lox Anti-terrorism training is indoctrination into the zionist worldview

Bayonne  posted on  2006-01-24   12:59:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Zoroaster, Christine, Diana, All (#43)

Covet the Electric Jew. Zionism has so many weaknesses, that associated discussion is productive - IF - one knows or researches history, and also recognizes the tactics of psyops.

The Jews can make whatever claims they want & flood their claimed land. I don't care.

When those same people ask me to fund the effort with my taxes - they can go fuck themselves! For all that America has unwittingly given Israel - what return is there? We have too many cases of the USS Liberty & Pollard spy scandals.

For all the benefit Israel gets, they don't as much as offer a single platoon of soldiers in the "coalition."

The American GI is an unwitting proxy-warrior for Israel.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-01-24   13:02:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Bayonne (#50)

At Auschwitz, there is a plaque that states how many were killed at the work camp. The plaque originally said that 4,000,000 were killed (1948). In the late 80's, the plaque was changed again to 1.5 million. There is serious talk now of reducing the number killed to 700,000. The change had the blessings of the Jewish PTB. The number killed went from 4 million to 1.5 million. A reduction of 2.5 million. If the 6 million claim was legitimate,that number would have been reduced to 3.5 million. But it never was.

Interesting!


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-01-24   13:04:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: siagiah (#12)

that the holocaust DID happen.

Of course it happened. People who deny it show their true colors.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-01-24   13:08:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Bayonne (#50)

After WWI, Jews also claimed that 6 million Jews were killed.

I knew about the Auschwitz # change, but not about WWI. Intriguing, same #.

"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger." ~Hermann Wilhelm Göring

robin  posted on  2006-01-24   13:11:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Jethro Tull (#42)

The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of Americans couldn’t care less about Israel,

This is the only statement you've made that I fully agree with. As far as I'm concerned, Israel is a manipulative country who uses PC tactics in the U.S.A. to whip Anerican's into supporting pro-Israel doctrine. Israel as a country can explode into smithereens for all I care... and the ZIONISTS holding America by the balls should have their legs chopped off and be sent home in a basket...

That said, the fact still remains that the Jewish Holocaust DID happen and it should not have. It was wrong then, it's wrong now, and forever, it will be wrong to murder people for belonging to a group others love to hate.

The difference between us? You HATE them on every plane. I hate the ZIONIST movement in America that cripples our leaders into supporting proIsrael ideals before proAmerican ideals. THAT is the entire focus of my problem with "the Jews"... I prefer to separate myself from folks like you who just plain HATE THEM...

If you don't see the difference, it's YOUR problem. I won't be pressured to "join you or be agin' you" like our malodorous misleader GWB does with the proZionist bullshit he shoves down our collective throats...

Bottom line, AMERICA FIRST... if Israel benefits, fine... Not the other way around...

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-24   13:17:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: YertleTurtle (#29)

Holocaust, strictly defined, means to consumed by fire.

The proper title, The Holocaust, was not introduced into the culture until about 1976. In 76, Dustin Hoffman made a movie involving Nazis called The Marathon Man. In it, there is no mention of The Holocaust. The proper titling was done to make the events of WWII unique in all of history. Holocaust- meaning consumed by fire, is a word that provokes powerful imagery in everyone's mind.

The Palies are depraved beyond redemption, and they should all rot in hell. Their flesh should bubble up in boils, and pus should ooze from them; their eyes should burst, and the blood run down their oozing pathetic faces. - Goldi Lox Anti-terrorism training is indoctrination into the zionist worldview

Bayonne  posted on  2006-01-24   13:25:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: SKYDRIFTER (#44)

On 2006-01-24 10:44:10, SKYDRIFTER wrote:

To: YertleTurtle, All While there is a "secret" as to the factual numbers of the deaths in the Nazi camps, it appears that 13 million died. Of that number, 4.1 million were Jews. Sure, another 1.9 million were exiles, accounting for the 6 million figure.

Why don't we feel sorry for the other 9 million - only one group whines. Israel sucks billions out of the U.S. tax coffers each year, in consequence. While the USA is being locked-down under the 'separation of church and state,' the exclusively religious and racial State of Israel is funded by billions of dollars each year. Theu USA emptied the camps, we didn't build them.

However, this article is a rotten one, as it uses psyops to re-direct the issue.

How does that work? Whatever the number of dead Jews, most died from starvation, disease, exposure and other forms of murder - the ovens were not reserved for the Jews, alone.

There should be no doubt that the gas chambers and ovens were real. However, they were not the sole execution device for exclusively Jews, nor did they account for all the deaths, Jewish, or otherwise.

If you refuse to think outside the proverbial box, consider yourself to be imprisoned in it - and you'll be burried in it.

I agree wholeheartedly with your post... It's insane how folks full of hatred for certain groups try to deny an obvious historial fact or to obfuscate it all into fitting their personal agenda of hatred for Jews as a whole.

Whether selective groups of the victims deserve SPECIAL, EXCLUSIVE MEMORIALS or PRIVATE COUNTRIES supported by U.S. dollars and military might is entirely another story and not the subject of the original post. My views on THAT are completely different than the haters seem to realize because they are clearly unable to distinguish the fact that they are SEPARATE subjects. The world is not black and white...

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-24   13:28:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: robin (#45)

To: YertleTurtle, siagiah, Zoroaster, Eoghan, wbales The Armenians haven't been real popular either.

They are both insulated, highly ethnocentric groups often trying to live in countries that never wanted them. I strongly suspect that this is the basis for much of their persecution. You could add Gypsies to that list too.

The Armenian Holocaust doesn't get much publicity. They are of course, a variation of Eastern Orthodox Christianity.

http://i-cias.com/e.o/arm_orth.htm

http://groong.usc.edu/fisk.html

"WHO NOW remembers the Armenians?" Hitler asked, just before he embarked on the destruction of European Jewry.

That many Jews were murdered is beyond doubt. The number and method has been questioned. American Jewry sat by and did nothing, I read that at the Simon Wiesenthal Museum of Tolerance in Los Angeles; in the multimedia center.

That Zundel, Germar and Theil (also a Jew, I can't recall his name), and Matt Hale, are being persecuted for questioning how many and the method is outrageous. The media is complicit in hiding the true facts of their situation.

That Jewry has capitalized on their holocaust (and I mean literally capitalized), is abundantly clear.

The remuneration of $$ and artwork is unprecedented in history, to my knowledge.

How many of us have ancestors who were robbed, murdered, and chased out of Scotland and Ireland and Europe (and now Asia)? Shall we all stand in line waiting for their losses? That would be absurd.

How many other groups have control of our government, happily fulfilling the agenda of their homeland, when they are ~2% of the American population?

This is why there is so much discussion of anti-Zionism as opposed to anti-semitism, as we watch our troops filling their lungs with DU, dying in Iraq, next to the Iraqis they have killed and wounded; for what? for WHOM?

Hail ROBIN... well said!! and I concur...

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-24   13:31:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: A K A Stone (#53)

To: siagiah

that the holocaust DID happen. Of course it happened. People who deny it show their true colors.

AKA, it scares me to find you agreeing with me... ROFLMAO... but stranger things have happened...

The POINT I tried to make was this: The HOLOCAUST HAPPENED... How many Jews died? I dunno... does it matter? It still happened. Haters try to say that it was all invented. WHY? Because they can't allow a group they hate to have ever been actually wronged. During WW2, Jews were wronged with the largescale murder of innocents. (so were many OTHER groups murdered wrongly, did I say they weren't?)...

Fast Forward to America today... The Zionists have USED that wrongful murderous episode to benefit themselves WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY OUT OF PROPORTION to their sufferings, ignoring the fact that OTHERS, too, have suffered in the same fashion. Today's Zionist movement is a BAD THING for America but saying so doesn't mean I must deny the holocaust actually happened... duh...

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-24   13:40:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: siagiah (#59)

The POINT I tried to make was this: The HOLOCAUST HAPPENED... How many Jews died? I dunno... does it matter? It still happened. Haters try to say that it was all invented. WHY? Because they can't allow a group they hate to have ever been actually wronged. During WW2, Jews were wronged with the largescale murder of innocents. (so were many OTHER groups murdered wrongly, did I say they weren't?)...

I agree with you again.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-01-24   13:43:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: YertleTurtle (#0)

Each body produces on average 2 kilograms of ash. Three million corpses would create 6,000 metric tons of ash. This ash, all 6,000 metric tons of it would make quite a heap. Where were all these ash-heaps after the war?

what a stupid ass comment. Like you could find the heaps now. Sheesh you sound a little nazish.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-01-24   13:53:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: A K A Stone, siagiah (#53)

that the holocaust DID happen.

Of course it happened. People who deny it show their true colors.

Your statement is insufficient and misleading. And what, pray tell, would those colors be?

The Hidden History of Zionism

"Every nation has its dead in its fight for its homeland. The suffering under Hitler are our dead." Chaim Weizmann

The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-01-24   13:57:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: BTP Holdings (#62)

Your statement is insufficient and misleading. And what, pray tell, would those colors be?

Some people here state their concerns about Israel. About foreign aid etc. I wouldn't mind cutting foreign aid to israel. Others are just nazis.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-01-24   13:59:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: siagiah (#59)

Today's Zionist movement is a BAD THING for America but saying so doesn't mean I must deny the holocaust actually happened... duh...

Zionism is hardly a modern phenomenon. The Zionists held no compunction whatsoever of sacrificing other Jews if it would bring about the estblishment of the Isreli state. This they did on countless occasions. This is one of the main reasons the Israeli state is a fraud perpetrated on the many for the benefit of the few.

The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-01-24   14:02:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: BTP Holdings (#64)

Zionism is hardly a modern phenomenon. The Zionists held no compunction whatsoever of sacrificing other Jews if it would bring about the estblishment of the Isreli state. This they did on countless occasions. This is one of the main reasons the Israeli state is a fraud perpetrated on the many for the benefit of the few.

There is nothing in the world wrong with wanting to reclaim your homeland.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-01-24   14:03:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: A K A Stone (#65)

There is nothing in the world wrong with wanting to reclaim your homeland.

Bullshit! Prove the modern day Ashkenazi Jews have any claim to it whatsoever.

The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-01-24   14:08:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: A K A Stone, BTP Holdings (#65)

There is nothing in the world wrong with wanting to reclaim your homeland.

They HAD no homeland. The land Israel sits on today was NEVER a Jewish "homeland"... Personally, I don't care if they have it... why should I? But then I do get it why Palestinians care... You can't take a large chunk of earth and plunk a group there, call it THEIR homeland, and shove out folks who've REALLY lived there since the beginning of time and expect it to be peaceful... What you should expect is the folks displaced to demand back THEIR HOMELAND.

It's not black & white... But THAT should not be America's problem... Modern Zionists have managed to MAKE IT AMERICA'S PROBLEM... That is my ONLY dispute with "the Jews"... Certain ACTIONS taken on their behalf. Otherwise, I have no problem with Jewish folks... WHY SHOULD I? I suspect that certain folks here would hate them no matter what... but then, that's pretty obvious I'm sure...

Later, gots to scoot...

oh, btp, I didn't get that reference to magazines in your pm????

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-24   14:14:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: siagiah (#67)

oh, btp, I didn't get that reference to magazines in your pm????

Got to check into that. Don't miss the Zionist link above. What's in their will curl your hair (if it isn't naturally curly). ;0)

The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-01-24   14:18:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: A K A Stone (#61)

YertleTurtle didn't author this piece, Stone. Yours is the stupid ass comment.

christine  posted on  2006-01-24   14:31:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: BTP Holdings (#66)

Bullshit! Prove the modern day Ashkenazi Jews have any claim to it whatsoever.

Prove Ashkenazi

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-01-24   14:58:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: christine (#69)

YertleTurtle didn't author this piece, Stone. Yours is the stupid ass comment.

I quoted the article text and responded to the article not anythingyertleturtle said.. His name automatically comes up in the reply since he posted it.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-01-24   15:00:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: A K A Stone (#71)

in the future then, when you're calling someone a nazi, it would be prudent to make that clear.

christine  posted on  2006-01-24   15:16:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Bayonne (#50)

The extermination of 6,000,000 Jews in Nazi-occupied Europe during World War Two was scientifically and demographically impossible. In 1946 the Swiss Red Cross estimated between 500,000 and 1,500,000 died during this period. As you wrote in a previous post, the 6,000,000 martyrs who replaced Christ on the Cross came much later, 1978, and it's now become the lynchpin of Jewish supremacy.

Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.

Zoroaster  posted on  2006-01-24   15:18:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: christine, turtle (#72)

in the future then, when you're calling someone a nazi, it would be prudent to make that clear.

I went back and reread it. You're right, i'm sorry

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-01-24   15:19:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Zoroaster (#73)

As you wrote in a previous post, the 6,000,000 martyrs who replaced Christ on the Cross came much later, 1978, and it's now become the lynchpin of Jewish supremacy.

The jews aren't superior.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-01-24   15:20:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: A K A Stone (#70)

Prove Ashkenazi

Do you know the difference between the Israelites of the Bible and the modern day jews?

The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-01-24   15:45:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: BTP Holdings (#76)

The Bible talked about them being scattered all over the earth. There are also lost tribes. It also says they will return to the land.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-01-24   15:47:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: A K A Stone (#77)

The Bible talked about them being scattered all over the earth. There are also lost tribes. It also says they will return to the land.

You've got lots of ground to cover on this. Do you know there was more than one exile? And which time periods did they cover? And do you know the conditions under which they may return?

As I said, there is much more to this. I can't recall how much reading I've done to find these things out for myself. I'm remiss in my study of the Bible itself, but I do have proper reference material here now if I need to look further.

You can't begin to see the truth and lies of the modern era until you study and know the truth of history as best you can. This is the main reason so much of it has been purposefully hidden from us. We can't know who we are and where we are going unless we know where we have been. It's that simple.

I must go out again. I'm late and need to get some work done outside before dark.

The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-01-24   16:02:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: A K A Stone, Buckeroo, Christine, All (#65)

There is nothing in the world wrong with wanting to reclaim your homeland.

The Serbs tried it, but were driven back by the Clinton forces (and the unmentionable Muslim "Ethnic Albanians"), serving the "New World Order."

The American Indian knows how beaten he is. He doesn't even try.

The Pallies are trying to just hold their ground, as Israel runs them further into the desert. Contrary to some propaganda, not all Pallies are 'Johnny-come- latelies.'

Where does one draw the line?


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-01-24   16:20:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Bayonne (#56)

The proper title, The Holocaust, was not introduced into the culture until about 1976. In 76, Dustin Hoffman made a movie involving Nazis called The Marathon Man. In it, there is no mention of The Holocaust™.

really?

christine  posted on  2006-01-24   16:23:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: christine (#80)

The proper title, The Holocaust, was not introduced into the culture until about 1976. In 76, Dustin Hoffman made a movie involving Nazis called The Marathon Man. In it, there is no mention of The Holocaust™. really?

I've seen the movie many times, and it's true -- there is not one mention of the Holocaust. And the movie is about the murderous Dr. Mengele.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-01-24   19:10:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: A K A Stone (#70)

Prove Ashkenazi

How did so many Jews end up looking pure European or American and not Semitic? I know a Jewish woman who has blond hair and blue eyes and looks about as Jewish as I do -- and I have blond hair and blue eyes from Scottish/German ancestry.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-01-24   19:12:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: YertleTurtle (#82)

Stone gets off on the 'off the turnip truck' trip...bozo it. It's not even interesting to quiz the account on stunning 'ignorance'...It's sorely time to get rid of the drift wood.

“Yes, but is this good for the Jews?"

Eoghan  posted on  2006-01-24   19:19:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Zoroaster (#73)

The extermination of 6,000,000 Jews in Nazi-occupied Europe during World War Two was scientifically and demographically impossible.

That is exactly right. It is logistically impossible to kill such an amount of people in death camps. The gas chambers and ovens would have been going full- blast every second of the day and night for four full years. Nothing could have broken down or had to be replaced. Eighty people an hour would have been gassed and incinerated for those four years, for those "4.1 million" at Auswitz alone.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-01-24   19:22:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: YertleTurtle, All (#84)

Where is it alleged that the ovens were exclusively the death instrument for any population of Jews? Starvation, disease, exposure and other forms of murder were the primary killer in any of the camps.

No one in their right mind (save propagandists) asserts that such a number of Jews died in the gas chambers and/or ovens. That's a psyops angle, only - I don't care who uses the number.

That doesn't alter the truth of the "holocaust," whatever the factual number may be.

Is the "holocaust" propaganda? Of course it is; max distorted - but still propaganda - pre-Christmas TV stuff. Guilt-trip the Christians out of more foreign aid for Israel!

(It works!)


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-01-24   19:33:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: YertleTurtle (#82)

How did so many Jews end up looking pure European or American and not Semitic? I know a Jewish woman who has blond hair and blue eyes and looks about as Jewish as I do -- and I have blond hair and blue eyes from Scottish/German ancestry.

because they come in various sizes colors some are even black.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-01-24   20:28:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Eoghan (#83)

Hi Eoghan....have a nice day.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-01-24   20:29:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: A K A Stone (#86)

How did so many Jews end up looking pure European or American and not Semitic? I know a Jewish woman who has blond hair and blue eyes and looks about as Jewish as I do -- and I have blond hair and blue eyes from Scottish/German ancestry. because they come in various sizes colors some are even black.

Goodbye, troll.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-01-24   20:30:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: YertleTurtle (#84)

That is exactly right. It is logistically impossible to kill such an amount of people in death camps. The gas chambers and ovens would have been going full- blast every second of the day and night for four full years.

The math always bothers me too, Yertle. Never mind the inefficiency of the method of death. Talk about labor intensive! Weren't the Germans known for efficiency? I don’t buy the number.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-01-24   20:37:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: YertleTurtle (#88)

Bye turtle. Nice meeting you. There really are some black ones. I saw it on the news years ago. I think they came from Ethiopia. I remember the footage of them getting off the plane. This was late eighties or early nineties. I never knew they had black jews at the time, i was surprised.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-01-24   20:38:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Bayonne, Zoroaster, Bluegrass (#50)

Did you all catch the LF thread that Blugrass posted about the magic Six Million number that was floated shortly after WWI? That didn't fly so it was tried again post WWII. The link was either posted or referred to here.

IMPEACH MONKEYBOY!

wbales  posted on  2006-01-24   22:29:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Zoroaster (#39)

The low birthrate among Jews is a continuing echo of Nature’s way of weeding out evil.

IMO people aren't born as "Jews" they become one when the reject Jesus as their Lord and Savior. Jesus himself called them devils, vipers, serpents. He proclaimed how extremely unlikely that they would be able to escape the eternal damnation of hell given their current condition and the prospects that they would change. "Jews" are the enemies of Christ. Any Christian that embraces the demonic state of Israel, is a Christian in name only, just like the "Jews" of today are Jews in name only.

God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]

RickyJ  posted on  2006-01-24   22:31:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: SKYDRIFTER (#85)

Guilt-trip the Christians out of more foreign aid for Israel!

(It works!)

Only for the false Christians, just like the false Jews, which are one and the same.

God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]

RickyJ  posted on  2006-01-24   22:37:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: wbales (#91)

Did you all catch the LF thread that Blugrass posted about the magic Six Million number that was floated shortly after WWI? That didn't fly so it was tried again post WWII. The link was either posted or referred to here.

It's only a very pitiful people that owe their positions in life to such deceitfulness. I'll give them credit for being good liars though; in that area they are experts.

God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]

RickyJ  posted on  2006-01-24   22:40:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: A K A Stone (#65)

There is nothing in the world wrong with wanting to reclaim your homeland.

How is it the so-called "Jews" homeland? What right do they have to it? Do you really think a God who won;t even hear the prayer of those that reject his Son Jesus Christ would be on the side of such people in any way shape or form? Israel was established again in 1948 by the devil himself, God had nothing to do with it. God did promise that land to Abraham's seed. Only problem is that the so called "Jews" of today and many other people never have figured out that Abraham's seed is composed of those that worship God in truth and spirit and have unwavering faith that Jesus is the Son of God, and that we are saved through his sacrifice on Calvary and live for him with all of their heart. Those people are the true Jews, those people are the real children of God and the real rightful and eventual owners of the state of Israel. Yes, Christians will rule Israel and so-called "Jews" will not be welcome in way shape or form.

God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]

RickyJ  posted on  2006-01-24   22:58:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: RickyJ (#92)

IMO people aren't born as "Jews" they become one when the reject Jesus as their Lord and Savior. Jesus himself called them devils, vipers, serpents. He proclaimed how extremely unlikely that they would be able to escape the eternal damnation of hell given their current condition and the prospects that they would change. "Jews" are the enemies of Christ. Any Christian that embraces the demonic state of Israel, is a Christian in name only, just like the "Jews" of today are Jews in name only.

Do you realize how idiotic you sound?

Christ was the KING OF THE JEWS... born a Jew and died a Jew... Like it or not, so was Mary & Joseph... LOL... If you actually believe your bible, you'd know that Jesus was the messiah born to fulfill the prophesy of the JEWS... and guess what RJ? If it wasn't for the Jews demanding the Jesus be put to death, there'd be NO CHRISTIANITY, NO SALVATION... Know why? BECAUSE IT WAS ALL PROPHESY...ALL PLANNED IN ADVANCE... Jesus had to die on the cross as a sacrifice to win forgiveness for all the damned sinners in the world... dead ones, live ones, and ones yet unborn... or did you not get that part about it being necessary for him to die at the hands of his fellow Jews? Jesus NEVER called "the Jews devils, vipers, and serpents"... He called certain individuals that, NOT THE JEWS as a group.

BTW, I suppose that I should clue you that I don't accept Jesus as "my Lord & Savior"... I'm an agnostic (not a Jew as you seem to think anyone who doesn't accept Jesus is)... Fact is, I USED to be a believer, a B.A.C., till I wised up and realized that the bible is a fallible historical document, a great set of guidelines to live by, and the world's best loved FAIRY TALE... Realistically, it can't possibly be true... the contradictions... the mistakes... the absurdities... and you dare to cast doubts on events in modern history that can be verified? I'm totally amused by that contradiction in you... but disgusted by your twisted hatred.

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-25   0:18:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: RickyJ (#94)

It's only a very pitiful people that owe their positions in life to such deceitfulness. I'll give them credit for being good liars though; in that area they are experts.

You give CREDIT to good liars? Why am I not surprised...?

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-25   0:22:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: RickyJ (#95)

How is it the so-called "Jews" homeland? What right do they have to it? Do you really think a God who won;t even hear the prayer of those that reject his Son Jesus Christ would be on the side of such people in any way shape or form? Israel was established again in 1948 by the devil himself, God had nothing to do with it. God did promise that land to Abraham's seed. Only problem is that the so called "Jews" of today and many other people never have figured out that Abraham's seed is composed of those that worship God in truth and spirit and have unwavering faith that Jesus is the Son of God, and that we are saved through his sacrifice on Calvary and live for him with all of their heart. Those people are the true Jews, those people are the real children of God and the real rightful and eventual owners of the state of Israel. Yes, Christians will rule Israel and so-called "Jews" will not be welcome in way shape or form.

My professional evaluation of you? You're most definitely delusional and seriously mentally ill. Seek help for it before it's too late.

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-25   0:24:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: siagiah, red jones (#98)

My professional evaluation of you? You're most definitely delusional and seriously mentally ill. Seek help for it before it's too late.

Not any off balance that the zionists, from what I can tell. GEEZ this religon thinggy.

I like Red Jones outlook " I would rather break bread with a humble God fearing Muslim, than a Tammy Fay" Mis- quoted by tom007.

"Our country is now geared to an arms economy bred in an artificially-induced psychosis of war hysteria and an incessant propaganda of fear." -- General Douglas MacArthur

tom007  posted on  2006-01-25   0:36:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: tom007 (#99)

I like Red Jones outlook " I would rather break bread with a humble God fearing Muslim, than a Tammy Fay" Mis- quoted by tom007.

And I as well.

All fanatics, whatever stripe they wear, are dangerously unstable because they focus all their being onto one area and can't handle it if something forces them to question their belief. They must destroy the messenger that causes this discomfort. It doesn't matter what ideology or cause they are embracing: good, bad, or ugly... their fanatical focus on it is what defines them and what determines their direction. Amazingly enough, the profound hatred I see in RELIGIOUS fanatics exceeds that of any other stripe~!!

If Jesus were to walk among us today, MOST of his followers would reject him for not being a "true Christian"... Sad, but true. It is THEY who are clueless but ya just can't tell 'em anything because they believe they know Jesus in their hearts. Sadly, if there's a devil in this world, it's most likely the devil they are embracing. Jesus NEVER advocated the hatred justified in his name.

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-25   0:51:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: siagiah, RickyJ, Tom007 (#98)

My professional evaluation of you? You're most definitely delusional and seriously mentally ill. Seek help for it before it's too late.

siagiah, it is your perogative to speak agains the bible if you want. But I feel I should tell you that this is what you are doing. RickyJ is only expressing the standard view of the bible. Right in the old testament (jewish part of the bible) it says that the seed of abraham is those who believe and not those who are the biological seed. and it says expressly that the blessings bestowed on the jews are for those who are the believers, not the biologcial seed. I would not say that all jews reject god, but many do. if you do an opinion survey among the israelis, they will tell you this themselves. in matthew jesus told some jewish clerics directly that his father would take away their blessing and give it to a nation that brings forth the fruits of god. in revelation in john's vision jesus did say that in the season of the end there would be many who claim to be jew, but are really with synagogue of satan.

I was just thinking today how ironic it is that jesus was born in bethlehem which is part of modern-day palestine. all evidence is that jesus was racially and ethnically just like the palestinians of today. and look how many of the jews have chosen to specifically hate that group of people.

It is your choice siagiah to be a scoffer and a denier. but you should know that it is your choice and what choice you're making.

Red Jones  posted on  2006-01-25   9:31:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: Red Jones. Tom007, RickyJ (#101)

Right on, Red:

Agtiprop disrupters are quick to resort to epithets (racist, subversive, pervert, hate monger, nut, crackpot, degenerate, un-American, anti-semite, red, commie, nazi, kook, fink, liar, bigot, and so on) to label and condemn opponents in order to divert attention from their arguments and to discourage others from hearing them out. These epithets don't have to be proved to be effective; the mere fact that they have been said is often enough.

Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.

Zoroaster  posted on  2006-01-25   10:01:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: Zoroaster (#102)

To: Red Jones. Tom007, RickyJ

Right on, Red:

Agtiprop disrupters are quick to resort to epithets (racist, subversive, pervert, hate monger, nut, crackpot, degenerate, un-American, anti-semite, red, commie, nazi, kook, fink, liar, bigot, and so on) to label and condemn opponents in order to divert attention from their arguments and to discourage others from hearing them out. These epithets don't have to be proved to be effective; the mere fact that they have been said is often enough.

I hope you aren't suggesting that I fit your aforementioned profile. I did not "call" anyone anything, most particularly not any of the "epithets" you listed. I simply stated my professional opinion about a person whose on line statements indicate a fanatical personality full of hate for their fellow man. That kind of problem requires professional help lest he become consumed in his own hatred! Suggesting that those who disagree with your fantasies are agtiprop disrupters is a wee bit over the top and bordering on pretentious... ROFLMAO... So get over yourself already...

None of you can deny your HATRED for the Jews... and regardless of where a body stands on the subject of "god"... I believe we can ALL AGREE that Jesus did not stand for HATRED... but then, most of his "followers" believe otherwise...

PSSST, the old testament was fulfilled when Jesus died on the cross. The old testament is no longer valid or binding... or didn't you know???? LOL

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-25   10:38:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: siagiah (#103)

PSSST, the old testament was fulfilled when Jesus died on the cross. The old testament is no longer valid or binding... or didn't you know???? LOL

Matt. 5:17-18 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

I agree with much of what you said. Just not that part. :)

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-01-25   10:41:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: Zoroaster (#102)

Agtiprop disrupters are quick to resort to epithets (racist, subversive, pervert, hate monger, nut, crackpot, degenerate, un-American, anti-semite, red, commie, nazi, kook, fink, liar, bigot, and so on) to label and condemn opponents in order to divert attention from their arguments and to discourage others from hearing them out. These epithets don't have to be proved to be effective; the mere fact that they have been said is often enough.

Kind of how you throw zionist around all the time.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-01-25   10:42:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: A K A Stone (#104)

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

The fulfillment referenced here is CHRIST'S DEATH ON THE CROSS... that was the fullfullment of the old testament. Elsewhere he states that the ten commandments were written to show man that he could NOT reach heaven on good deeds alone because it is humanly impossible never to break them. Therefore, he paid the price for one and all and laid done his only law: love one another as I have loved you.

You may all believe that I am not acquainted with the bible... au contraire... I studied the bible for many years and was a B.A.C. just like you... What changed? A bite from the tree of knowledge and as they say, you cannot unring a bell... I cannot go back to blissful innocence... But that doesn't mean I have forgotten the things I read and knew.

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-25   10:51:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: siagiah (#106)

The fulfillment referenced here is CHRIST'S DEATH ON THE CROSS... that was the fullfullment of the old testament. Elsewhere he states that the ten commandments were written to show man that he could NOT reach heaven on good deeds alone because it is humanly impossible never to break them. Therefore, he paid the price for one and all and laid done his only law: love one another as I have loved you.

I agree!! Here's the exact verse.. there were two actually:

Matt 22: 37And He said to him, " 'YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.'

38"This is the great and foremost commandment.

39"The second is like it, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.'

40"On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets."

Zipporah  posted on  2006-01-25   10:57:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: siagiah (#106)

Till heaven and earth pass

They haven't passeed.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-01-25   10:59:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: siagiah (#106)

You may all believe that I am not acquainted with the bible...

I noticed you know about the bible. You just don't accept it.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-01-25   11:01:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: A K A Stone (#108)

Till heaven and earth pass

They haven't passeed.

Jesus was the fulfillment of the law.. as He said.. the law and the prophets.. you seem not to understand that ..

Zipporah  posted on  2006-01-25   11:02:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: Zipporah (#110)

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

I understand that, don't you.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-01-25   11:02:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: A K A Stone (#111)

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

I understand that, don't you.

LOL! So you dismiss His words right? Jesus was the fulfillment of the law.. and the new covenant in His blood was the fulfillment of all that the prophets and the law foretold.

Zipporah  posted on  2006-01-25   11:06:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: Zipporah (#112)

you are partially right imo. It also says till ALL be fulfilled. ALL hasn't been fulfilled yet. Heaven and earth has not passed. We are still waiting on the second coming.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-01-25   11:08:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: A K A Stone (#113)

you are partially right imo. It also says till ALL be fulfilled. ALL hasn't been fulfilled yet. Heaven and earth has not passed. We are still waiting on the second coming.

So Jesus was a liar.. I see..

Zipporah  posted on  2006-01-25   11:45:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: A K A Stone (#109)

I noticed you know about the bible. You just don't accept it.

Of course I accept it... but not as the written word of God... It is the interpretation of God's words written and edited by MEN through the ages... FALLIBLE men with agendas.

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-25   12:02:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: A K A Stone (#113)

To: Zipporah

you are partially right imo. It also says till ALL be fulfilled. ALL hasn't been fulfilled yet. Heaven and earth has not passed. We are still waiting on the second coming.

Read some more AKA... there is much you apparently don't understand or have not yet seen... PEACE... it's all good, at least you aren't laden down with hatred for others... THAT, in itself, speaks volumes for your sincerity... and sincerity is a trait I personally value

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-25   12:05:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: Zipporah (#112)

LOL! So you dismiss His words right? Jesus was the fulfillment of the law.. and the new covenant in His blood was the fulfillment of all that the prophets and the law foretold.

You were probably raised by Christian fundamentalists, as I was, but with me it didn't take, though I don't reject Christ. I like to think of myself as a free thinker. I try not to criticize genuine Christians, such as you, and I am suspicious of posters who resort to name calling and character assassination to discredit other posters of whatever religious beliefs. All folks, or I should say decent folks, follow their own God-given light.

Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.

Zoroaster  posted on  2006-01-25   12:23:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: Zoroaster (#117)

You were probably raised by Christian fundamentalists, as I was, but with me it didn't take, though I don't reject Christ. I like to think of myself as a free thinker. I try not to criticize genuine Christians, such as you, and I am suspicious of posters who resort to name calling and character assassination to discredit other posters of whatever religious beliefs. All folks, or I should say decent folks, follow their own God-given light.

Wrong.. I wasn't.. I was raised unchurched until my mother became a Christian when I was a teenager.. I rebelled and didnt do the church thing.. I didnt go to church till much later .. and it was after I became a Christian.. and that didnt happen at a church.. but at home reading the bible. And that was after I met a 'real' Christian..one that never asked me to church..never preached to me, gave me a bible or pointed at sin.. or say that I wasnt saved.. what she did was did as Jesus said.. and that is what led me to the bible. It's the love of God thru Christians that lead people to salvation ..

Zipporah  posted on  2006-01-25   12:43:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: siagiah (#116)

Read some more AKA... there is much you apparently don't understand or have not yet seen... PEACE... it's all good, at least you aren't laden down with hatred for others... THAT, in itself, speaks volumes for your sincerity... and sincerity is a trait I personally value

Oh..thanks I guess that's it..I'll keep studying them.. .. :P

Thanks siagiah.. much appreciated..

Zipporah  posted on  2006-01-25   13:28:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: Zipporah (#119)

Oh..thanks I guess that's it..I'll keep studying them.. .. :P

Thanks siagiah.. much appreciated..

Lois, Lois, Lois... I was talking to AKA STONE... I grabbed his comment to you, I wasn't DIRECTING it at you... LOL... silly gal... Ah NOES U do yer homewerk... tee hee...

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siagiah  posted on  2006-01-25   14:41:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: siagiah (#120)

Lois, Lois, Lois... I was talking to AKA STONE... I grabbed his comment to you, I wasn't DIRECTING it at you... LOL... silly gal... Ah NOES U do yer homewerk... tee hee...

ROFL! I thought you were being facetious.. LOL!

Zipporah  posted on  2006-01-25   14:43:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: siagiah (#103)

None of you can deny your HATRED for the Jews...

Your self-flattery equals your self-loathing!


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-01-25   19:08:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: SKYDRIFTER (#122)

Your self-flattery equals your self-loathing!

What are you talking about? Truly, I have no idea where this came from. I wasn't referring to YOU with that remark about "none being able to deny their hatred for the Jews"... I **thought** I was directing it at a couple of posters who very clearly despise Jews just for existing... You weren't amongst them...

So.... ??????? and even if you thought I was directing it at you... WHAT does your remark mean? I don't get where you are coming from... All sarcasm and/or jest aside... Please explain?

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siagiah  posted on  2006-01-25   22:04:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: siagiah, Red Jones. Tom007, RickyJ (#103)

None of you can deny your HATRED for the Jews...

I can. Your statement is unsuportable and ridiculous. Ask Joan Strait, my neighbor, a widow, and a very seet person, whose driveway and sidewalk I, or my children, shovel snow for her, and check on her well being if we don't see her for awhile. She has us on speed dial.

Nor much HATERD there, siagiah, for you? Sorry to dissapoint.

And there is my good friend Mark Sternberg. And Richard Strauss.

You have assumed much, S. I would open my eyes and mind a little.

"Our country is now geared to an arms economy bred in an artificially-induced psychosis of war hysteria and an incessant propaganda of fear." -- General Douglas MacArthur

tom007  posted on  2006-01-25   22:48:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: siagiah (#123)

**thought** I was directing it at a couple of posters who very clearly despise Jews just for existing... You weren't amongst them...

O brother.

"Our country is now geared to an arms economy bred in an artificially-induced psychosis of war hysteria and an incessant propaganda of fear." -- General Douglas MacArthur

tom007  posted on  2006-01-25   22:52:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: All (#125)

who very clearly despise Jews just for existing..

This whole scholck is geting a little thin.

"Our country is now geared to an arms economy bred in an artificially-induced psychosis of war hysteria and an incessant propaganda of fear." -- General Douglas MacArthur

tom007  posted on  2006-01-25   22:53:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: tom007, siagiah (#124)

the quote I said that you almost quoted correctly was 'I'd rather throw my lot in with a pious muslim than a christian zionist'.

Red Jones  posted on  2006-01-25   22:56:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: Red Jones (#127)

I Stand corrected. Thanks RJ.

"Our country is now geared to an arms economy bred in an artificially-induced psychosis of war hysteria and an incessant propaganda of fear." -- General Douglas MacArthur

tom007  posted on  2006-01-25   23:00:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: tom007 (#126)

This whole scholck is geting a little thin.

Whatever... if you don't see the blatant hatred spewing out of SOME of the posters on this thread, fine... I don't care. I was simply giving my opinion of it all which is why everyone's here, non?... I guess that's not okay with you? No biggie... I didn't really expect to be understood by the folks I was addressing with my remarks. It ain't easy being green... latah...

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siagiah  posted on  2006-01-25   23:06:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: siagiah (#123)

I was directing it at a couple of posters who very clearly despise Jews just for existing...

If Jews were merely existing, there would be no problem. If Israel wasn't ethnically cleansing the Palestinians and milking the American treasury, there would be FAR fewer problems--far less public relations difficultites for Jews. If Zionists and liberal Jews were so active in organizations and entities detriemntal to American society, culture and government, there would be FAR fewer problems--far less public relations difficultites for Jews..

A WHOLE LOT of them getting onto the PNAC/AIPAC/SPLC/NAACP/JINSA/Israel/ACLU/ADL/Hollywood/federal media bandwagon is what creates problems. Behaviors and conduct effecting OTHERS create problems--merely existing hurts no one and bothers no one except in your Zionist protectionist and defensive mind. Those Jews wishing to live thier lives and exist like the rest of us should turn thier ire towards thier brethren in the aformentioned organizations and entities.

But you KNOW that, don't you?

In 1947, the UN created a perpetual war and named it Israel.

wbales  posted on  2006-01-25   23:14:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: siagiah (#129)

if you don't see the if you don't see the blatant hatred spewing out of SOME of the posters on this thread, fine... I don't care. on this thread, fine... I don't care.

I do not read every post, yet I cannot recollect "you don't see the blatant hatred spewing out of SOME" I don't think it is there.

I do see concerns that the tribe has infiltrated into the workings of government with their chavanistic ideology, but I hardly can call there concerns "Hatered", can you?

"Our country is now geared to an arms economy bred in an artificially-induced psychosis of war hysteria and an incessant propaganda of fear." -- General Douglas MacArthur

tom007  posted on  2006-01-25   23:24:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: wbales (#130)

Those Jews wishing to live thier lives and exist like the rest of us should turn thier ire towards thier brethren in the aformentioned organizations and entities.

Roger that. I keep waiting for the Jewish community to publically condemm the extreamist zionist policies, and the silence is defening.

"Our country is now geared to an arms economy bred in an artificially-induced psychosis of war hysteria and an incessant propaganda of fear." -- General Douglas MacArthur

tom007  posted on  2006-01-25   23:26:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: wbales (#130)

A lot more of them should be joining JPFO (Jews for the Preservatio of Firearms Ownership) instead. There is an organization whose ideas will be far more effective at ending "Holocausts" no mater who perpetrates them than all the PNACs, AIPACs, SPLCs, NAACPs JINSAs, Israel, ACLUs and ADLs in the world. The only way to stop "Holocausts" is to ARM THE POTENTIAL VICTIMS whoever they might be.

Coral Snake  posted on  2006-01-25   23:56:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: wbales (#130)

Behaviors and conduct effecting OTHERS create problems--merely existing hurts no one and bothers no one except in your Zionist protectionist and defensive mind.

OBVIOUSLY you haven't read my posts above or you'd KNOW that your statement here is exactly the OPPOSITE of my stated position on zionism and its affects on America. You are assuming and you DO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN FOLKS ASSUME don't you? Try again W... You are totally off base in your response to me.

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siagiah  posted on  2006-01-26   0:43:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: tom007 (#131)

I do see concerns that the tribe has infiltrated into the workings of government with their chavanistic ideology, but I hardly can call there concerns "Hatered", can you?

No, I don't consider THAT hatred... Strangely enough, I SHARE that view but you'd know that if you'd actually bothered to read what I actually said...

Isn't it funny (odd, not haha) how people can read the same thing as another and not see the same thing? Or maybe it's because they DIDN'T read it but simply assume they know what it says because someone ELSE who didn't read it but posted responses as if they did gives them the wrong impression so others just presume they know what's there when they actually don't?... personally, because I know you are intelligent and CAN READ & COMPREHEND, I'm leaning heavily towards the latter.

I maintain that certain individuals here have posted hatefilled posts that cannot be construed as anything BUT hatred for THE JEWS AS A WHOLE read straight up and when you read between the lines... and that their disdain is NOT simply a conflict with them over political zionism that HURTS AMERICA.

I also maintain that my posts CLEARLY state my view that ZIONISM is bad for America, that putting ISRAEL's interests before America's is just plain WRONG in my opinion... HOWEVER, aside from THAT particular activity, I have no problem whatsoever with THE JEWS.

After actually re-READING the posts above, in all honesty, can you say that is true of each and every one of the posters who responded here? That there is NO UNDERCURRENT OF HATRED permeating several posts? I believe that you will see my point if you review the thread with an eye for the thoughts BEHIND the words... Give it a shot... You just might be surprised at how wrong you are about what I actually said and think...

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siagiah  posted on  2006-01-26   1:00:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: All (#135)

FROM ABOVE:

#39. To: YertleTurtle (#0) While the population of the world has increased six-fold in the last hundred years to more than six billion souls, the number of Jews, some 14 million today, has remained approximately the same. Evil is unproductive, barren,. and eventually perishes of its own sterility. This is the way of Nature. She deals ruthlessly with any population, race or ethnic group, which fails to solve the problems of its environment.. The low birthrate among Jews is a continuing echo of Nature’s way of weeding out evil.

On a human level, the Nazi expulsion of Jews from Western Europe was an extreme example of a majority group seeking to rid itself of a parasitical minority group that was a threat to kinship and social laws, i.e. culture.

These defilers of all races and cultures have caused dissention and turmoil wherever they have gone for the past 2,000 years. Whether it’s Nazi-style suppression of Palestinians on their own land, land stolen from them by the Zionist-controlled Israeli Government, or the corruption and financial ruin of the host nations, say, the disastrous effect of the Hollywood syndrome upon American culture or the near bankruptcy of Russia, the pattern of evil and desolation is same wherever they are found.

Nature, however, offers hope. The low Jewish birthrate in America suggests they may go the way of the Dodo bird and become extinct in 100 years. And the high birthrate of Palestinians indicates that Jews will be a minority population in Israel, including the occupied territories, within 30 years. The downside is that the bastards are working diligently to suck America into a full-scale war in the Middle East, which will drastically reduce the Arab population, or, if that fails, there’s always Israel’s nuclear arsenal.

Perhaps, if humanity is lucky, their lack of procreative success will ultimately bring about their downfall.

Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.

Zoroaster posted on 2006-01-24 01:16:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

I guess we should all start humming KUMBAYA now? Let's all feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel the love...

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-26   1:37:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: RickyJ (#92)

Any Christian that embraces the demonic state of Israel, is a Christian in name only, just like the "Jews" of today are Jews in name only

Funny you should mention that. This is an interesting article. If you overlook the Illuminati motif in it, it is right on. The Bush's are also known satanists as is shown.

George W. Bush, Zionist Double Agent, American Traitor

The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-01-26   1:43:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: All (#136)

Zoroaster wrote: The low birthrate among Jews is a continuing echo of Nature’s way of weeding out evil.

#92. To: Zoroaster (#39) IMO people aren't born as "Jews" they become one when the reject Jesus as their Lord and Savior. Jesus himself called them devils, vipers, serpents. He proclaimed how extremely unlikely that they would be able to escape the eternal damnation of hell given their current condition and the prospects that they would change. "Jews" are the enemies of Christ. Any Christian that embraces the demonic state of Israel, is a Christian in name only, just like the "Jews" of today are Jews in name only.

God is always good! "It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]

RickyJ posted on 2006-01-24 22:31:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

Oh, it makes my heart MELT at the love in these words... My little devils... sweet little vipers adn serpents... let's revel in eternal damnation because we love you SOOOO MUCH... What's that you say? Jews are the ENEMIES OF CHRIST? oh dear... where is the love you say?

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-26   1:45:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: BTP Holdings (#137)

Yes, I agree that Bush tops the list of American traitors...

Now deny the general hatred of all that is JEWISH contained in these posts? The hate isn't strictly focused on Zionism hurting America... it's focused on ELIMINATING THE JEWS AS A PEOPLE... and condemning them to hell... So, what about Buddists? Muslims? others who don't agree with them? WHY IS THE HATE FOCUSED ON ONE GROUP? Ummmm, because they hate the JEWS... that's why.

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-26   1:48:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: siagiah (#136)

Zoroaster posted on 2006-01-24 01:16:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

I guess we should all start humming KUMBAYA now? Let's all feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel the love...

Z has got a way with words, doesn't he? LOL

Ever read The Fable of the Ducks and the Hens?

The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-01-26   1:48:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: BTP Holdings (#140)

Ever read The Fable of the Ducks and the Hens?

yeah, just now... it's safe to make an assumption as to where your feelings on this particular subject fall...

g'night, I'm too tired for any more of this. Tomorrow's another day.... oh wait... IT'S TODAY...!

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-26   1:56:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: siagiah (#141)

yeah, just now... it's safe to make an assumption as to where your feelings on this particular subject fall...

g'night, I'm too tired for any more of this. Tomorrow's another day.... oh wait... IT'S TODAY...!

I've been an observer on this thread. My feelings are well founded and thought out. I think you've gone off the deep end a bit. Give them a break. It's not quite the way you think. The Fable is a good analogy of this issue if you do not let any bias one way or another interfere.

Past bed time for myself as well. ;0)

The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-01-26   2:05:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: wbales (#130)

I was directing it at a couple of posters who very clearly despise Jews just for existing...

If Jews were merely existing, there would be no problem.

Exactly.

The only two groups I know that are despised in every country in which they reside are the Roma (Gypsies) because they are thieves, and Jews, quite a few of whom are not only liars and thieves, they attempt to degrade, indeed destroy the culture. If they just minded their own business, there would be no problem. But they never do, and they never learn what the problem is.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-01-26   7:26:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: YertleTurtle (#143)

The only two groups I know that are despised in every country in which they reside are the Roma (Gypsies) because they are thieves, and Jews,

You slipped up, you didn't call them zionists, you made clear it is jews. lol

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-01-26   7:36:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: Zipporah (#114)

So Jesus was a liar.. I see..

I never said that. He said till ALL!!!

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-01-26   7:41:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: siagiah (#116)

Thank you for the kind words. Yes I still have much to learn. Will have much to learn for the rest of my life here.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-01-26   7:43:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#147. To: A K A Stone (#146)

Thank you for the kind words. Yes I still have much to learn. Will have much to learn for the rest of my life here.

Me too... No living being is finished with their education even though some apparently believe they've got the final word on some subjects... LOL... Contrary to what anyone here might believe, I KNOW that I know only a small portion of what there is to know about anything. Visceral reactions to a subject are the red flags to look for when emotion rather than reason is the motivator for an opinion. No one is immune to that so all should examine themselves when they feel such strong emotions about something.

More important, I find it sad that folks can be so full of hate for others and be so blinded to the blackness in their own hearts because of it... If I've gone over the top with a few of them, as BTP suggests, so be it... but I know blind hate when I see it. I will continue to call a spade a spade even if some don't like it. They don't hesitate to shove their spades down other's throats if challenged so I feel certain that they'll survive my remarks. LOL...

Truth be known, I recognize some tidbits of truth in a few remarks that I've dismissed as bs. Why? Because the hatred behind them overrides the value of any tidbits of truth to the point that I must reject it outright. Suffice it to say that from MY POV, Zionism controlling America is a VERY bad thing but Jews are not evil people deserving of hell and brimstone, nor should they be eliminated from this planet.

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-26   8:58:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#148. To: siagiah (#134)

Instead of trying to smear certain posters as the "dreaded Jew-Hater", what should be getting your attention--what you should be concerned about--what you should be addressing (if you are an American):

PNAC/AIPAC/SPLC/NAACP/JINSA/Israel/ACLU/ADL/Hollywood/federal media

and the effects on American society, culture and government.

Anyone who spouts off with "Jew-Hater" or "Nazi" or "Hitler wannabe" instantly qualifies you as a defender/member of the above.

Over time and history, Jews as a group have exhibited sufficient collective behavior and conduct to earn and deserve the stereotyping.

But you KNOW that, don't you.

Let's talk again when calls to kick AIPAC/PNAC out of Washington, DC start coming from all AMERICAN synagogues.

In 1947, the UN created a perpetual war and named it Israel.

wbales  posted on  2006-01-26   8:58:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#149. To: YertleTurtle (#143)

If Jews were merely existing, there would be no problem.

Exactly.

The only two groups I know that are despised in every country in which they reside are the Roma (Gypsies) because they are thieves, and Jews, quite a few of whom are not only liars and thieves, they attempt to degrade, indeed destroy the culture. If they just minded their own business, there would be no problem. But they never do, and they never learn what the problem is.

Like I said earlier... there are SOME here who blindly hate Jews simply for existing... Parse it all you please, you hate them and even if it's not obvious to you, it's obvious to others...

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-26   9:00:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#150. To: wbales (#148)

To: siagiah

Instead of trying to smear certain posters as the "dreaded Jew-Hater", what should be getting your attention--what you should be concerned about--what you should be addressing (if you are an American):

OH? REALLY? IF I'M AN AMERICAN THIS IS WHAT I ***SHOULD*** BE ADDRESSING? Addressing hatred that is staring me in the face should be of no concern to me BECAUSE you've justified it to yourself by parading your stereotypes to defend it?

Get a grip WBales, I AM an American but I will decide what I ***SHOULD*** be concerned with if I dare to call myself an American... You sound just like GWB with his "yer wiff us or yer agin' us" mentality... I expected better from you than for you to be telling others what they **SHOULD** do to be an AMERICAN... and I feel SORRY for you that you don't recognize but DEFEND your own discriminatory remarks against an entire group of people you know ONLY from a stereotypical position...

***spit*** Whatever merit there might be in your "true blue American" way of thinking, it's lost in the interpretation because of your bigoted remarks... I might have bothered to check out your pet cause, but given the rest of your post suggesting that I'm not a REAL American because I'm concern myself with things other than what you care about, I won't bother... you've just hurt your OWN cause by losing a potential supporter...

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-26   9:11:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: siagiah (#149)

there are SOME here who blindly hate Jews simply for existing...

There you go again.

Let's try this:

1) WHY? Why do you think in your opinion someone would hate Jews simply for existing???? No other reason except for merely being. Exactly and specifically WHY?

2) And similarly, succinctly explain to me why Hitler hated Jews? Can you do that?

In 1947, the UN created a perpetual war and named it Israel.

wbales  posted on  2006-01-26   9:12:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#152. To: siagiah (#150)

you've just hurt your OWN cause by losing a potential supporter...

That's hilarious.

In 1947, the UN created a perpetual war and named it Israel.

wbales  posted on  2006-01-26   9:14:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#153. To: A K A Stone (#145)

So Jesus was a liar.. I see..

I never said that. He said till ALL!!!

Basically that IS what you are saying.. #1 you cannot cherry pick verses without considering the context..

Then what was Jesus referring to? Consider the scripture you referenced in Matthew with this in Luke 21:33 .. Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

Back to Matthew 5:18 in context.

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Now what did he mean? Jesus meant that nothing would stop the fulfillment of His purpose on earth.. That is to fulfill the Law.. and bring a new covenant between man and God..in His blood.

Continuing IN CONTEXT in Matthew:

20 "For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.

21 "You have heard that the ancients were told, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER' and 'Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court.'

22"But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.

What was Jesus trying to convey? Jesus was directly challenging the Pharisees, scribes and the Talmudic tradition.. what was ADDED to scripture and had become MORE important than the law itself. He was saying its the essense of the law not the tradition of men .. And that is reason He made this reference: "and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven"..

So His message was #1 saying that nothing could or would stop the fulfillment of his mission #2 that religious leaders were misleading the people and that they needed to return to God and His law..and that He was going to deliver them from their taskmasters.. the Pharisees and scribes that perverted God's word.

Zipporah  posted on  2006-01-26   9:16:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#154. To: wbales (#152)

That's hilarious.

CLEARLY you know zilch about politics and public relations. Even less about gaining supporters for important causes... Laugh all you like, you've inadvertantly SUPPORTED your enemy by dismissing a potential, PROBABLE ally... You don't care? Well BLAME YOURSELF and those like you for turning off Americans who might have given you the time of day once upon a time.

Ever wonder HOW your "enemy" has gained such prominence? Your actions and you could be the posterchild for their training manual on how to steal YOUR supporters.

Think about it...

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-26   9:20:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#155. To: siagiah (#150)

Here are some more questions (agree or disagree). Let's see how you respond to a discussion on the merits and substance.

1. The UN should have the right and authority to create a nation for the specific benefit of a particular group of people on land primarily inhabited by another group of people.

2. Putting Israel where it is was a good idea that is working out well.

3. Israel’s religious/ethnic/race specific Right of Return is compatible with Democratic principles.

4. Jews had no involvement in the Russian Revolution.

5. In 1930s Germany, Jews did nothing to antagonize or provoke the lunatic Hitler.

6. The number of 6 millions Jews killed by Hitler in WWII is accurate.

7. Anyone questioning and/or doubting the 6 million number denies the entire holocaust.

8. America and Americans have a duty to support and defend Israel.

9. Israel treats Palestinians within its control with dignity, equitably and fairly.

10. Saddam Hussein/Iraq was a direct and immediate threat to America and Americans so as to require immediate military intervention by the US military.

11. Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden were goods friends and partners in international terrorism.

12. Osama Bin Laden was never associated with any agency of the American federal government.

13. Saddam Hussein never received any ambiguous diplomatic signals from the United States prior to Gulf War I.

14. Shooting machine guns and rockets from helicopter gunships down into villages and neighborhoods cannot be terrorism.

15. Bulldozing/razing homes/businesses and/or agricultural fields cannot be considered terrorism.

16. The reason terrorists high-jacked and crashed jets into the World Trade Centers was because they hate our freedoms, elections, religion, way of life.

17. America’s middle eastern foreign policy, in general, and support of Israel, in particular, had nothing to do with 09/11.

18. OPEC--not American oil merchants--is reaping most of the profits from increased American domestic oil/gas prices.

19. The American federal government was absolutely clueless about 09/11 prior to 09/11.

20. There were no market/securities transactions out of the ordinary prior to 09/11.

21. Back just before Gulf War II started and during the UN debates concerning same, France is just as wrong now as they were then.

22. Muslims are determined to take over and rule the world and, especially, the United States.

23. Muslims possess the actual capability to take over and rule the world and, especially, the United States.

24. Trying to establish a democracy in an Muslim Arab country by military force is a good idea.

25. It is a proper function of the American federal government to establish “democracies” in other countries around the world-- overthrowing existing governments by force, if necessary.

26. America and Americans have the excess and available cash to establish “democracies” in other countries around the world-- overthrowing existing governments by force, if necessary.

27. Bush’s stance on illegal immigration and America’s borders is consistent with Homeland Security.

28. Prior to and during the attack, Israel had no idea that the USS Liberty was an American ship.

29. USS Liberty crew who maintain that Israel knew that their ship was American prior to the attack are mistaken or are anti-semites.

30. Having a lobby for a foreign government as the second most powerful lobby in Washington, DC is good for America and Americans.

31. The WWII Holocaust Museum in Washington, DC should have been built before the American Military WWII Memorial.

32. The WWII Holocaust is more significant and historically important then the Russian Revolution Holocaust or any other Holocaust.

33. Israel’s military dealings with China is none of America’s business.

In 1947, the UN created a perpetual war and named it Israel.

wbales  posted on  2006-01-26   9:22:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#156. To: siagiah (#154)

Don't be scared. Try to answer my questions.

In 1947, the UN created a perpetual war and named it Israel.

wbales  posted on  2006-01-26   9:23:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#157. To: wbales (#151)

There you go again.

Let's try this:

1) WHY? Why do you think in your opinion someone would hate Jews simply for existing???? No other reason except for merely being. Exactly and specifically WHY?

2) And similarly, succinctly explain to me why Hitler hated Jews? Can you do that?

Hate NEEDS NO REASON to exist...

Teach the children who their enemy is when they're young and you've got 'em for life. They'll never know the REAL reason they hate someone. What has any Jew done to you or someone you know that justifies your personal hatred of them?

We're not talking ZIONIST controls on America, we're talking JEWS, the people in the streets that you do so love to hate...

While you're at it, why don't YOU try to explain to the rest of why folks hated Blacks and enslaved them for generations? Go on, make your day.

btw, Hitler was a Jew. Half blood, I believe.

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-26   9:26:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#158. To: wbales (#155)

I'm not scared of you W... I have to go to the hospital. I'll be back later...

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-26   9:27:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#159. To: siagiah (#157)

Nevermind.

In 1947, the UN created a perpetual war and named it Israel.

wbales  posted on  2006-01-26   10:31:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#160. To: siagiah, All (#123)

Siag,

The problem is "Israel." However you want to re-package the matter, that racial- religious fetish-state has reached into the American way of life to the extreme that one either sucks up to the "Jewish" state or is forced to defend themselves against a clever bunch of parasites.

The ADL got me kicked off as a writer for Col. Hackworth's online magazine; seems I that oppose the 'official' story of 9-11 and the War Crimes of the Bush Cabal. Should I think highly of them?

Yeah, I have Jewish friends that I like, too.

Israel/Jews have no license to run over the rest of the world, because they have such a high opinion of themselves. They paractice racism, then point the finger at others.

Your assignemnt of "hate" is way out of order. "Fear?" For damned sure.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-01-26   11:32:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#161. To: siagiah, Christine, Diana, Zipporah, robin, Zoroaster, BTP Holdings, Arator, Bayonne, Brian S, A K A Stone, Steppenwolf, Bub, Bill D Berger, FormerLurker, Uncle Bill, Dakmar, Flintlock, Neil McIver, tom007, aristeides, Burkeman1, Diana, (#150)



Ah, Siag, you've been to "Disinformationist School!"

That 'stress' on "hate" - add the invocation of of the "shame" mechanism - gave you away.

Or, will you deny that?


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-01-26   11:49:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#162. To: siagiah (#157)

btw, Hitler was a Jew. Half blood, I believe.

Way wrong info. There was an interesting case made for it; but it fell through.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-01-26   11:51:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#163. To: A K A Stone, YertleTurtle (#144)

The only two groups I know that are despised in every country in which they reside are the Roma (Gypsies) because they are thieves, and Jews, You slipped up, you didn't call them zionists, you made clear it is jews. lol

Zionism is a relatively new political phenomenon. If you look closely at history and not jump to conclusions you will see this.

Also see The Fable of the Ducks and the Hens to gain more clarity into how this group operates to undermine, subvert and control. It's a good analogy IF you pay attention to history.

Zionism is the greater danger at the present since it is a secular and racist ideology. I have no problem with devoutly religious Jews since they are also interested in social justice and peace and harmony. It's their conniving, greedy brethren with who adhere to the doctrines Talmudic revenge with whom I have a problem.

In case you didn't notice, that was the basis of the Bolshevik Revolution and the murder of millions of Russian Orthodox Christians, which included the entire family of Tsar Nicholas II who was the spiritual leader of the Eastern Orthodox Church.

See also The Life of an American Jew in Racist Marxist Israel for more clarity on this.

There are differing groups among the Hasidim (Jewish Orthodoxy and Reform Judaism) and it can seem confusing at times. I didn't say it would be easy. After all, I'm still learning myself since much of this is only visible to the Jews themselves.

The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-01-26   11:59:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#164. To: siagiah (#157)

Hate NEEDS NO REASON to exist...

You see, this is where your basic premise is faulty.

I prefer to think of it as being proud that my ancestry is white, Christian and European. What is wrong with White Pride? Every other ggroup has its own orgnizations to promote themselves, but white Europeans shouldn't? That is a guilt trip and a half. Leave me off that bus to perdition.

This wrong-headedness is known as muticulturalism and is a product of the twisted Zionist mind. It is also known and Cultural Communism. It has its roots in the Marxist Frankfurt School and is the basis of the political correctness movement which has undermined our cultural, moral and ethical standards. It is also the antithesis of traditional American classical liberalism.

I could go on, but I would have to write a book on here.

The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-01-26   12:11:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#165. To: siagiah (#149)

Like I said earlier... there are SOME here who blindly hate Jews simply for existing... Parse it all you please, you hate them and even if it's not obvious to you, it's obvious to others...

Goodbye, troll.

You now join the hallowed bozo filter ranks along with AKA Stone.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-01-26   20:04:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#166. To: BTP Holdings (#164)

I prefer to think of it as being proud that my ancestry is white, Christian and European. What is wrong with White Pride? Every other ggroup has its own orgnizations to promote themselves, but white Europeans shouldn't? That is a guilt trip and a half. Leave me off that bus to perdition.

This wrong-headedness is known as muticulturalism and is a product of the twisted Zionist mind. It is also known and Cultural Communism. It has its roots in the Marxist Frankfurt School and is the basis of the political correctness movement which has undermined our cultural, moral and ethical standards. It is also the antithesis of traditional American classical liberalism.

well explained!

christine  posted on  2006-01-26   20:39:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#167. To: tom007, wbales (#132)

To: wbales

Those Jews wishing to live thier lives and exist like the rest of us should turn thier ire towards thier brethren in the aformentioned organizations and entities.

Roger that. I keep waiting for the Jewish community to publically condemm the extreamist zionist policies, and the silence is defening.

I have to disagree with that thought, the Jews who just want to live their lives in peace have no responsibility towards the behavior of their neocon brethren, they are only responsible for their own actions. No one should be judged as a group, though it is too easy to do sometimes. But there are Jews out there who just want to live their lives and be left alone.

Just like we are not responsible for the behavior of all people who are racially/ethnically/religiously similar to us.

Diana  posted on  2006-01-26   21:14:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#168. To: siagiah (#135)

I have no problem whatsoever with THE JEWS.

THE JEWS is not a monolithic entity.

I'm sure there are quite a few of them who regard themselves first as human beings, and individual ones at that.

Diana  posted on  2006-01-26   21:21:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#169. To: Diana (#167)

That was perfect, Diana. Not even Democrats are responsible for what other Democrats do, much as that bothers them. :)

We've been challenged, and we've risen to those challenges. We've climbed the mighty mountain. I see the valley below, and it's a valley of peace. - W

Dakmar  posted on  2006-01-26   21:22:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#170. To: Diana (#167)

well said, Diana.

christine  posted on  2006-01-26   21:27:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#171. To: siagiah, wbales (#154)

CLEARLY you know zilch about politics and public relations. Even less about gaining supporters for important causes...

siagiah, could you please tone down the arrogance a bit?

There are posters on here who have various viewpoints, and they should be allowed to express themselves without being put down and called names.

Also I don't see you answering valid questions posters are posing to you, instead all I see are flying insults from your quarter.

None of us has the right to play God, only He has the proper information and knowledge to judge.

Diana  posted on  2006-01-26   21:42:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#172. To: Diana, christine, Dakmar (#167)

Zionists, Israel Firsters, and liberal Jews are the great majority of Jews. When a sufficient number of an identifiable group exhibit adverse and onerous behavior and if the innocent among them complains concerning the negative attitude which developes towards that entire group, the innocent among them should FIRST direct thier ire towards the bad actors within the group AND NOT TOWARDS COMPLAINING PARTIES outside the group.

Anti-semitism has become a shield and a first strike smear tactic for Zionists, Israel Firsters, and liberal Jews.

NK Jews, inter alia, are my ally in the issue as they are not enablers, supporters of, or exhibit silent acquiesence toward Zionists, Israel Firsters and/or liberal Jews.

It goes without saying (except, of course, every other month or so when some bonehead raises the issue and issues the smear) that there are good America first conservative Jews. That there are very few of them is not my fault.

In 1947, the UN created a perpetual war and named it Israel.

wbales  posted on  2006-01-26   21:45:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#173. To: wbales (#172)

NK Jews, inter alia, are my ally in the issue as they are not enablers, supporters of, or exhibit silent acquiesence toward Zionists, Israel Firsters and/or liberal Jews.

Agree

christine  posted on  2006-01-26   21:48:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#174. To: christine (#173)

Suppose I am a good America first conservative Jew:

When I hear valid, reasonable, and rational questions and concerns being raised by a fellow American about Zakheim, Wolfowitz, Perle-- ADL/PNAC/AIPAC/Israel/SPLC/Hollywood/federal media ect. and so forth and so on...

is my first reaction to be: "Well, what a Jew Hater."??

No.

In 1947, the UN created a perpetual war and named it Israel.

wbales  posted on  2006-01-26   21:56:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#175. To: wbales (#174)

you're right. point well made.

christine  posted on  2006-01-26   22:01:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#176. To: wbales (#172)

Not all "liberal" jews are hardcore bolshevik frankfurt school mind-warpers either. They seem more kinda UAW than Trotsky if you ask me.

We've been challenged, and we've risen to those challenges. We've climbed the mighty mountain. I see the valley below, and it's a valley of peace. - W

Dakmar  posted on  2006-01-26   22:05:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#177. To: wbales (#174)

Suppose I am a good America first conservative Jew:

When I hear valid, reasonable, and rational questions and concerns being raised by a fellow American about Zakheim, Wolfowitz, Perle-- ADL/PNAC/AIPAC/Israel/SPLC/Hollywood/federal media ect. and so forth and so on...

is my first reaction to be: "Well, what a Jew Hater."??

No.

You are'nt rebutting an average Jewish US citizen, you are rebutting an account designed to entrap you or something.

We've been challenged, and we've risen to those challenges. We've climbed the mighty mountain. I see the valley below, and it's a valley of peace. - W

Dakmar  posted on  2006-01-26   22:08:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#178. To: Diana (#167)

No one should be judged as a group, though it is too easy to do sometimes. But there are Jews out there who just want to live their lives and be left alone.

Just like we are not responsible for the behavior of all people who are racially/ethnically/religiously similar to us.

Your arguement is sound and your point well taken. If your brother robs a bank, that does not require you to speak out against bank robbing.

Nights are getting shorter by six minutes a day ( more or less).

"Our country is now geared to an arms economy bred in an artificially-induced psychosis of war hysteria and an incessant propaganda of fear." -- General Douglas MacArthur

tom007  posted on  2006-01-26   22:50:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#179. To: YertleTurtle (#165)

You now join the hallowed bozo filter ranks along with AKA Stone.

Who cares? Besides, you've saved me the trouble... LOL...

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-27   0:28:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#180. To: Diana (#168)

THE JEWS is not a monolithic entity.

I'm sure there are quite a few of them who regard themselves first as human beings, and individual ones at that.

Yes, I know that. There's prolly no point in explaining what I was trying to say. I don't think it matters anyway.

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-27   0:34:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#181. To: Diana (#171)

Sia: CLEARLY you know zilch about politics and public relations. Even less about gaining supporters for important causes...

To: siagiah, wbales

siagiah, could you please tone down the arrogance a bit?

There are posters on here who have various viewpoints, and they should be allowed to express themselves without being put down and called names.

Also I don't see you answering valid questions posters are posing to you, instead all I see are flying insults from your quarter.

Well golly gee, this bonehead (wbales remark) can't possibly answer their "valid" questions even though their questions have NOTHING to do with my accusation that certain folks hate Jews as a group, not jsut for their zionistic actions.

As for the questions, I didn't have an opportunity to even read the questions before the poster told me "don't be scared"... and when I said that I'd return later... ( BECAUSE I HAD to go to the hospital and was there for over 15 hours, life isn't all about THIS place) he said not to bother since I apparently wasn't fast enough for him... so I didn't bother... At 2 am, would YOU bother? Tonight, I just walked in the house a half hour ago (midnight). If you think I'm gonna waste my time sifting through THEIR accusations against me to defend myself against their ridiculous charges, you're quite mistaken.

Terribly sorry if I've offended you with my obviously annoyed manner on this thread. It would seem that I am certainly not alone in my transgressions... but then, why notice that when you can focus on the stranger in the midst? They can say whatever they want against me and accuse me of all sorts of absurd things... but I'm arrogant for responding in kind... yup... sure... you might be shocked to learn that posters on other forums insist that I'm an antisemite... too funny, eh? know why? Because it seems as if no one bothers to HEAR what anyone else is saying... some don't even listen to their OWN words... or so it seems to me sometimes...

BTW, I pointed out to the poster that he was LOSING converts to his cause by HIS statements... something I'd EXPECT he'd show a tad of concern about if he REALLY cares about his pet cause. PR is all about WINNING CONVERTS to your "side", not turning them against you. That's what he succeeded in doing. He failed to notice that I was 80% on his side and the 20% against, was strictly for the clumping of all Jews into his little vision of evil that needed to be weeded out. Sorry, that sounds WAY too much like Nazi Germany's views of them... and that sickens me... so I pointed it out. That's it, that's all, and that ain't gonna change anytime soon... bozo the clown's insults aside.

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-27   0:53:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#182. To: wbales (#174)

Suppose I am a good America first conservative Jew:

When I hear valid, reasonable, and rational questions and concerns being raised by a fellow American about Zakheim, Wolfowitz, Perle-- ADL/PNAC/AIPAC/Israel/SPLC/Hollywood/federal media ect. and so forth and so on...

is my first reaction to be: "Well, what a Jew Hater."??

No.

If that WAS what happened here, I'd agree with you... but it's NOT what happened here... You came in late. If you didn't read the bazillion posts prior to your entry, you might skim them now? Maybe you'd see a few things a tad bit differently... then again, maybe not... but I maintain that your suggestion about what happened here DIDN'T HAPPEN HERE... at least not universally...

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-27   0:57:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#183. To: siagiah (#139)

because they hate the JEWS... that's why.

That's all the "Jews" of today have, hype and slogans!

God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]

RickyJ  posted on  2006-01-28   19:18:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#184. To: RickyJ (#183)

That's all the "Jews" of today have, hype and slogans!

Let it go RickyJ... Life's too short.

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-29   1:56:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#185. To: siagiah (#184)

Let it go RickyJ... Life's too short.

You got that right! Life is too short to be wasted on lies.

God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]

RickyJ  posted on  2006-01-29   22:16:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#186. To: RickyJ (#185)

Gee...for some reason, I can't see post #184.

OH, yeah...bozo...nevermind.

In 1947, the UN created a perpetual war and named it Israel.

wbales  posted on  2006-01-29   22:18:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#187. To: wbales (#186)

Gee...for some reason, I can't see post #184.

He/She claims to not be a "Jew", yet it seems it is all He/She ever talks about is defending "Jewish" lies. You're right, a bozo if I ever saw one. Sure wish they had this feature on LF, Kudzu would end up talking to herself only.

God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]

RickyJ  posted on  2006-01-29   22:25:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#188. To: RickyJ (#187)

Sure wish they had this feature on LF, Kudzu would end up talking to herself only.

lololol

In 1947, the UN created a perpetual war and named it Israel.

wbales  posted on  2006-01-29   22:35:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#189. To: RickyJ (#187)

He/She claims to not be a "Jew", yet it seems it is all He/She ever talks about is defending "Jewish" lies. You're right, a bozo if I ever saw one. Sure wish they had this feature on LF, Kudzu would end up talking to herself only.

Ricky J, contrary to your opinion, I am not a Jew, never was, never will be. I also talk about lots of things besides Jews and their particular interests and/or the deceptions you claim.

Defending the majority of innocent Jews from charges that their asshole ZIONIST brethren deserve is all I did.

Commenting on the fact that your posts IMPLY a strong dislike/hatred for Jews as a people that includes not only the Zionist assholes but the good Jews with them is completely within the scope of this forum and quite allowed. From my POV, it is actually YOU who has the problem. I don't care whether you "get it" or not nor do I care if you, wbales, and yertleturtle "bozo" me forever. Obviously you've all decided all you care to know about me, what I think, and what/who I am, so why do you bother to make comments to me anymore? Are you trying to piss me off into bozoing you? LOL... I can just as easily just ignore you if I want to or not, if I want to do that.

Get over yourself already. It's so yesterday to keep this silliness up.

btw, I'm a "she". You can tell wbales that his using the bozo filter is certainly no loss to me. LOL

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-30   15:54:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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