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Title: Why the Holocaust Could Not Have Happened
Source: Badlands
URL Source: http://littlegeneva.com/badlands/?p=1139
Published: Jan 23, 2006
Author: Badlands
Post Date: 2006-01-23 19:35:51 by YertleTurtle
Keywords: Holocaust, Happened, Could
Views: 1245
Comments: 189

Having read emotional letters from Jewish writers in the press, I feel compelled to comment myself.

I am acquainted with military history and have read substantially on the subject. One Jewish writer stated that he was not even alive at the time of the Second World War. As another writer stated, there are always two sides to the coin. Well, I was not alive at that time either, so it follows that the only source of information available to the post-war generations is history as it was written down for us.

History has not and never will be recorded objectively, as every historian writes according to his own subjective view and in his own book will try to prove his own thesis. The mass-murder of six million Jews, however, is a myth. This is admitted and proved primarily by British and American authors, and while withholding my own views, here is some information to consider:

According to evidence led in a paper entitled “The Third Reich”, three to four million Jews were murdered in Auschwitz alone. This is mathematically impossible. Auschwitz was in operation for four years. Let’s assume only three million people were killed here — in one year, that would be 750,000 or 62,500 a month — or 2,083 a day!

According to the German Christian Democratic delegate, Eric Blumenfeld of Hamburg, who was incarcerated at Auschwitz, killings only took place at night, for reasons of secrecy — a period of 12 hours. Thus, 2,082 people should have been killed every 12 hours out of 24 for 1,460 days (four years).

Assuming the corpses were buried, and seeing that sand is four tenths heavier than the human body (proportionately), at an average of 50 kilograms per body, 70 kilograms of sand would be displaced per corpse [a kilogram is equal to 2.2 pounds for practical purposes]. At 2,083 bodies a day, with a corpse mass of 104.2 metric tons, this would be 145.8 metric tons of soil to be removed daily!

In four years, assuming there were “only” 3 million bodies buried, this would leave 212,868 metric tons of soil piled up somewhere. Where is it? There is also the argument that the bodies were burned (also a mathematical impossibility). The calculations are based on figures and evidence from the ultra-modern and efficient crematorium at Dortmund in Germany. To burn one corpse completely requires 31 kilograms of coal. The 2,083 people allegedly killed in Auschwitz daily would have required more than 65 metric tons of coal, which was extremely valuable to the war effort — each day. For Germany, this was impossible.

Burning the bodies was impossible for another reason. In the most modern crematoriums today, one body requires about 2? hours to be completely cremated. Even if Auschwitz had had 100 burning chambers, the 3 million corpses would have taken 15 years to cremate, burning only in the 12-hour period each day.

Each body produces on average 2 kilograms of ash. Three million corpses would create 6,000 metric tons of ash. This ash, all 6,000 metric tons of it would make quite a heap. Where were all these ash-heaps after the war?

In closing, I would like to add that all recorded history is on paper and on paper you can write anything, even that 6 million Jews were killed. Paper is patient!

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#41. To: YertleTurtle, Zipporah, robin (#40)

The Holocaust is the lynchpin of Jewish supremacy whose champions often assume moral superiority over their opponents because of alleged victimhood, a special relationship with God, membership in a special "elite" or "chosen tribe," and a kind of aloof "highminded" snobbishness that accrues because of the weightiness of their preoccupations, their altruism, and their willingness to sacrifice themselves (and others) to their cause. After all, who can bear to deal with common goys when one is trying to save Yahweh's darlings from goy beasts. The Jewish supremacists can show great indignation when goys are "insensitive" enough to challenge these claims.

In his little box of insidious propaganda the Jewish supremacist keeps many cunning devices, tricks, lies for his Zionist attack dogs to deceive and circumvent decent, honest Americans, and he is never so happy as when he is working these evil things and seeing them go. His favorite trick, right out of the Frankfurt School of Political Correctness, is to call anyone who disagrees with his Holocaust fanasty an anti-Semite. He has worn out his keyboard in working this trick. By calling Americans who question their government’s committment to the holocaust myth anti-Semites, he can identify these Americans with Nazis and claim that threats to Israel can only come from right-wing fanatics.

Don’t overestimate the significance of Zionist trolls on this forum and elsewhere. To be sure, they are a very vocal contingent, but you must keep in mind that they often post on public forums under false pretenses, which in itself should ring alarm bells.

The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of Americans couldn’t care less about Israel, so any Zionist troll who claims to be a loyal American is automatically suspect as being something other than what they claim to be. After all, we are all well acquainted with this tactic. Every agent provocateur and agitprop expert wants to create the false impression that there is a groundswell of support for his cause among the general populace. Hence, its entirely natural that Jewish activists would pose as gentiles, often with elaborate disguises (Catholics, Army Officers, Marines, Vietnam Vets, WWII vets, you name it). Very often there is a single individual posting under various aliases, claims of nationality, etc. to create the illusion of wide- scale, nay, nearly unanimous support for the cause.

Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.

Zoroaster  posted on  2006-01-24   8:39:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Zoroaster (#41)

The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of Americans couldn’t care less about Israel, so any Zionist troll who claims to be a loyal American is automatically suspect as being something other than what they claim to be.

I agree with this statement, and it’s also true that they have managed to inculcate most Americans with a political correctness that causes a knee-jerk loyalty to all things Israel. Lately, I’ve been receiving most of my MSM news from greater NYC area. The amount of anti-Iranian propaganda that is flowing here is beyond belief. So I agree with you. These rats are about to widen the war in the Middle East, based on a perceived threat to Israel. It’s amazing watching this unfold.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-01-24   9:26:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Jethro Tull (#42)

Noted Jethro,

The constant anti-Iranian propaganda coming from the Electric Jew coincides with increased activity of Zionist trolls on this forum.

Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.

Zoroaster  posted on  2006-01-24   9:36:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: YertleTurtle, All (#0)

While there is a "secret" as to the factual numbers of the deaths in the Nazi camps, it appears that 13 million died. Of that number, 4.1 million were Jews. Sure, another 1.9 million were exiles, accounting for the 6 million figure.

Why don't we feel sorry for the other 9 million - only one group whines. Israel sucks billions out of the U.S. tax coffers each year, in consequence. While the USA is being locked-down under the 'separation of church and state,' the exclusively religious and racial State of Israel is funded by billions of dollars each year. Theu USA emptied the camps, we didn't build them.

However, this article is a rotten one, as it uses psyops to re-direct the issue.

How does that work? Whatever the number of dead Jews, most died from starvation, disease, exposure and other forms of murder - the ovens were not reserved for the Jews, alone.

There should be no doubt that the gas chambers and ovens were real. However, they were not the sole execution device for exclusively Jews, nor did they account for all the deaths, Jewish, or otherwise.

If you refuse to think outside the proverbial box, consider yourself to be imprisoned in it - and you'll be burried in it.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-01-24   10:44:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: YertleTurtle, siagiah, Zoroaster, Eoghan, wbales (#40)

The Armenians haven't been real popular either.

They are both insulated, highly ethnocentric groups often trying to live in countries that never wanted them. I strongly suspect that this is the basis for much of their persecution. You could add Gypsies to that list too.

The Armenian Holocaust doesn't get much publicity. They are of course, a variation of Eastern Orthodox Christianity.

http://i-cias.com/e.o/arm_orth.htm

http://groong.usc.edu/fisk.html

"WHO NOW remembers the Armenians?" Hitler asked, just before he embarked on the destruction of European Jewry.

That many Jews were murdered is beyond doubt. The number and method has been questioned. American Jewry sat by and did nothing, I read that at the Simon Wiesenthal Museum of Tolerance in Los Angeles; in the multimedia center.

That Zundel, Germar and Theil (also a Jew, I can't recall his name), and Matt Hale, are being persecuted for questioning how many and the method is outrageous. The media is complicit in hiding the true facts of their situation.

That Jewry has capitalized on their holocaust (and I mean literally capitalized), is abundantly clear.

The remuneration of $$ and artwork is unprecedented in history, to my knowledge.

How many of us have ancestors who were robbed, murdered, and chased out of Scotland and Ireland and Europe (and now Asia)? Shall we all stand in line waiting for their losses? That would be absurd.

How many other groups have control of our government, happily fulfilling the agenda of their homeland, when they are ~2% of the American population?

This is why there is so much discussion of anti-Zionism as opposed to anti-semitism, as we watch our troops filling their lungs with DU, dying in Iraq, next to the Iraqis they have killed and wounded; for what? for WHOM?

"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger." ~Hermann Wilhelm Göring

robin  posted on  2006-01-24   10:45:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: siagiah (#37)

"I have zero patience tonight for blatant rudeness or obvious stupidity so take your ball with ya."

Is it something he said?

Adolf Hitler... "What luck for rulers that men do not think."

John F. Kennedy... "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

wakeup  posted on  2006-01-24   10:52:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Zoroaster (#43)

" The constant anti-Iranian propaganda coming from the Electric Jew coincides with increased activity of Zionist trolls on this forum."

Please, name names. I read too slow and my oldtimers is acting up again. Save me some time and effort please, name names.

Just as I am curious to know who among us comes from the right and who comes from the left, I am interested in Jewish bias, also.

Please, name names.

Adolf Hitler... "What luck for rulers that men do not think."

John F. Kennedy... "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

wakeup  posted on  2006-01-24   11:10:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: robin (#45)

How many of us have ancestors who were robbed, murdered, and chased out of Scotland and Ireland and Europe (and now Asia)? Shall we all stand in line waiting for their losses? That would be absurd.

The English slaughered entire tribes of my Scottish ancestors. Do you see me whining about it and demanding reparations?

YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-01-24   11:11:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: YertleTurtle (#48)

Exactly! I've posted the same thing and haven't had a single response from one ZioNazi. Did you know that the Communist Chinese educational system taught the British Crown's removal of tenant farmers as "Sheep ate people"?

Up until very recently all of Scotland was owned by about 6 people; mostly English Lords.

http://www.electricscotland.com/

http://www.rampantscotland.com/

This one is very humorous:
http://www.firstfoot.com/

"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger." ~Hermann Wilhelm Göring

robin  posted on  2006-01-24   11:22:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: YertleTurtle (#0)

The mass-murder of six million Jews, however, is a myth.

Yes it is.

After the war, FDR, Churchill and DeGaulle wrote huge books about it totalling over 5000 pages. Not once was a final solution mentioned. Not once was a genocide of the Jews mentioned.

The 6 million figure was pushed by the Soviet propagagnda minister years before the war was over.

After WWI, Jews also claimed that 6 million Jews were killed.

At Auschwitz, there is a plaque that states how many were killed at the work camp. The plaque originally said that 4,000,000 were killed (1948). In the late 80's, the plaque was changed again to 1.5 million. There is serious talk now of reducing the number killed to 700,000. The change had the blessings of the Jewish PTB. The number killed went from 4 million to 1.5 million. A reduction of 2.5 million. If the 6 million claim was legitimate,that number would have been reduced to 3.5 million. But it never was.

The Palies are depraved beyond redemption, and they should all rot in hell. Their flesh should bubble up in boils, and pus should ooze from them; their eyes should burst, and the blood run down their oozing pathetic faces. - Goldi Lox Anti-terrorism training is indoctrination into the zionist worldview

Bayonne  posted on  2006-01-24   12:59:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Zoroaster, Christine, Diana, All (#43)

Covet the Electric Jew. Zionism has so many weaknesses, that associated discussion is productive - IF - one knows or researches history, and also recognizes the tactics of psyops.

The Jews can make whatever claims they want & flood their claimed land. I don't care.

When those same people ask me to fund the effort with my taxes - they can go fuck themselves! For all that America has unwittingly given Israel - what return is there? We have too many cases of the USS Liberty & Pollard spy scandals.

For all the benefit Israel gets, they don't as much as offer a single platoon of soldiers in the "coalition."

The American GI is an unwitting proxy-warrior for Israel.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-01-24   13:02:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Bayonne (#50)

At Auschwitz, there is a plaque that states how many were killed at the work camp. The plaque originally said that 4,000,000 were killed (1948). In the late 80's, the plaque was changed again to 1.5 million. There is serious talk now of reducing the number killed to 700,000. The change had the blessings of the Jewish PTB. The number killed went from 4 million to 1.5 million. A reduction of 2.5 million. If the 6 million claim was legitimate,that number would have been reduced to 3.5 million. But it never was.

Interesting!


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-01-24   13:04:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: siagiah (#12)

that the holocaust DID happen.

Of course it happened. People who deny it show their true colors.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-01-24   13:08:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Bayonne (#50)

After WWI, Jews also claimed that 6 million Jews were killed.

I knew about the Auschwitz # change, but not about WWI. Intriguing, same #.

"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger." ~Hermann Wilhelm Göring

robin  posted on  2006-01-24   13:11:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Jethro Tull (#42)

The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of Americans couldn’t care less about Israel,

This is the only statement you've made that I fully agree with. As far as I'm concerned, Israel is a manipulative country who uses PC tactics in the U.S.A. to whip Anerican's into supporting pro-Israel doctrine. Israel as a country can explode into smithereens for all I care... and the ZIONISTS holding America by the balls should have their legs chopped off and be sent home in a basket...

That said, the fact still remains that the Jewish Holocaust DID happen and it should not have. It was wrong then, it's wrong now, and forever, it will be wrong to murder people for belonging to a group others love to hate.

The difference between us? You HATE them on every plane. I hate the ZIONIST movement in America that cripples our leaders into supporting proIsrael ideals before proAmerican ideals. THAT is the entire focus of my problem with "the Jews"... I prefer to separate myself from folks like you who just plain HATE THEM...

If you don't see the difference, it's YOUR problem. I won't be pressured to "join you or be agin' you" like our malodorous misleader GWB does with the proZionist bullshit he shoves down our collective throats...

Bottom line, AMERICA FIRST... if Israel benefits, fine... Not the other way around...

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-24   13:17:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: YertleTurtle (#29)

Holocaust, strictly defined, means to consumed by fire.

The proper title, The Holocaust, was not introduced into the culture until about 1976. In 76, Dustin Hoffman made a movie involving Nazis called The Marathon Man. In it, there is no mention of The Holocaust. The proper titling was done to make the events of WWII unique in all of history. Holocaust- meaning consumed by fire, is a word that provokes powerful imagery in everyone's mind.

The Palies are depraved beyond redemption, and they should all rot in hell. Their flesh should bubble up in boils, and pus should ooze from them; their eyes should burst, and the blood run down their oozing pathetic faces. - Goldi Lox Anti-terrorism training is indoctrination into the zionist worldview

Bayonne  posted on  2006-01-24   13:25:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: SKYDRIFTER (#44)

On 2006-01-24 10:44:10, SKYDRIFTER wrote:

To: YertleTurtle, All While there is a "secret" as to the factual numbers of the deaths in the Nazi camps, it appears that 13 million died. Of that number, 4.1 million were Jews. Sure, another 1.9 million were exiles, accounting for the 6 million figure.

Why don't we feel sorry for the other 9 million - only one group whines. Israel sucks billions out of the U.S. tax coffers each year, in consequence. While the USA is being locked-down under the 'separation of church and state,' the exclusively religious and racial State of Israel is funded by billions of dollars each year. Theu USA emptied the camps, we didn't build them.

However, this article is a rotten one, as it uses psyops to re-direct the issue.

How does that work? Whatever the number of dead Jews, most died from starvation, disease, exposure and other forms of murder - the ovens were not reserved for the Jews, alone.

There should be no doubt that the gas chambers and ovens were real. However, they were not the sole execution device for exclusively Jews, nor did they account for all the deaths, Jewish, or otherwise.

If you refuse to think outside the proverbial box, consider yourself to be imprisoned in it - and you'll be burried in it.

I agree wholeheartedly with your post... It's insane how folks full of hatred for certain groups try to deny an obvious historial fact or to obfuscate it all into fitting their personal agenda of hatred for Jews as a whole.

Whether selective groups of the victims deserve SPECIAL, EXCLUSIVE MEMORIALS or PRIVATE COUNTRIES supported by U.S. dollars and military might is entirely another story and not the subject of the original post. My views on THAT are completely different than the haters seem to realize because they are clearly unable to distinguish the fact that they are SEPARATE subjects. The world is not black and white...

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-24   13:28:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: robin (#45)

To: YertleTurtle, siagiah, Zoroaster, Eoghan, wbales The Armenians haven't been real popular either.

They are both insulated, highly ethnocentric groups often trying to live in countries that never wanted them. I strongly suspect that this is the basis for much of their persecution. You could add Gypsies to that list too.

The Armenian Holocaust doesn't get much publicity. They are of course, a variation of Eastern Orthodox Christianity.

http://i-cias.com/e.o/arm_orth.htm

http://groong.usc.edu/fisk.html

"WHO NOW remembers the Armenians?" Hitler asked, just before he embarked on the destruction of European Jewry.

That many Jews were murdered is beyond doubt. The number and method has been questioned. American Jewry sat by and did nothing, I read that at the Simon Wiesenthal Museum of Tolerance in Los Angeles; in the multimedia center.

That Zundel, Germar and Theil (also a Jew, I can't recall his name), and Matt Hale, are being persecuted for questioning how many and the method is outrageous. The media is complicit in hiding the true facts of their situation.

That Jewry has capitalized on their holocaust (and I mean literally capitalized), is abundantly clear.

The remuneration of $$ and artwork is unprecedented in history, to my knowledge.

How many of us have ancestors who were robbed, murdered, and chased out of Scotland and Ireland and Europe (and now Asia)? Shall we all stand in line waiting for their losses? That would be absurd.

How many other groups have control of our government, happily fulfilling the agenda of their homeland, when they are ~2% of the American population?

This is why there is so much discussion of anti-Zionism as opposed to anti-semitism, as we watch our troops filling their lungs with DU, dying in Iraq, next to the Iraqis they have killed and wounded; for what? for WHOM?

Hail ROBIN... well said!! and I concur...

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-24   13:31:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: A K A Stone (#53)

To: siagiah

that the holocaust DID happen. Of course it happened. People who deny it show their true colors.

AKA, it scares me to find you agreeing with me... ROFLMAO... but stranger things have happened...

The POINT I tried to make was this: The HOLOCAUST HAPPENED... How many Jews died? I dunno... does it matter? It still happened. Haters try to say that it was all invented. WHY? Because they can't allow a group they hate to have ever been actually wronged. During WW2, Jews were wronged with the largescale murder of innocents. (so were many OTHER groups murdered wrongly, did I say they weren't?)...

Fast Forward to America today... The Zionists have USED that wrongful murderous episode to benefit themselves WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY OUT OF PROPORTION to their sufferings, ignoring the fact that OTHERS, too, have suffered in the same fashion. Today's Zionist movement is a BAD THING for America but saying so doesn't mean I must deny the holocaust actually happened... duh...

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-24   13:40:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: siagiah (#59)

The POINT I tried to make was this: The HOLOCAUST HAPPENED... How many Jews died? I dunno... does it matter? It still happened. Haters try to say that it was all invented. WHY? Because they can't allow a group they hate to have ever been actually wronged. During WW2, Jews were wronged with the largescale murder of innocents. (so were many OTHER groups murdered wrongly, did I say they weren't?)...

I agree with you again.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-01-24   13:43:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: YertleTurtle (#0)

Each body produces on average 2 kilograms of ash. Three million corpses would create 6,000 metric tons of ash. This ash, all 6,000 metric tons of it would make quite a heap. Where were all these ash-heaps after the war?

what a stupid ass comment. Like you could find the heaps now. Sheesh you sound a little nazish.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-01-24   13:53:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: A K A Stone, siagiah (#53)

that the holocaust DID happen.

Of course it happened. People who deny it show their true colors.

Your statement is insufficient and misleading. And what, pray tell, would those colors be?

The Hidden History of Zionism

"Every nation has its dead in its fight for its homeland. The suffering under Hitler are our dead." Chaim Weizmann

The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-01-24   13:57:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: BTP Holdings (#62)

Your statement is insufficient and misleading. And what, pray tell, would those colors be?

Some people here state their concerns about Israel. About foreign aid etc. I wouldn't mind cutting foreign aid to israel. Others are just nazis.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-01-24   13:59:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: siagiah (#59)

Today's Zionist movement is a BAD THING for America but saying so doesn't mean I must deny the holocaust actually happened... duh...

Zionism is hardly a modern phenomenon. The Zionists held no compunction whatsoever of sacrificing other Jews if it would bring about the estblishment of the Isreli state. This they did on countless occasions. This is one of the main reasons the Israeli state is a fraud perpetrated on the many for the benefit of the few.

The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-01-24   14:02:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: BTP Holdings (#64)

Zionism is hardly a modern phenomenon. The Zionists held no compunction whatsoever of sacrificing other Jews if it would bring about the estblishment of the Isreli state. This they did on countless occasions. This is one of the main reasons the Israeli state is a fraud perpetrated on the many for the benefit of the few.

There is nothing in the world wrong with wanting to reclaim your homeland.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-01-24   14:03:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: A K A Stone (#65)

There is nothing in the world wrong with wanting to reclaim your homeland.

Bullshit! Prove the modern day Ashkenazi Jews have any claim to it whatsoever.

The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-01-24   14:08:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: A K A Stone, BTP Holdings (#65)

There is nothing in the world wrong with wanting to reclaim your homeland.

They HAD no homeland. The land Israel sits on today was NEVER a Jewish "homeland"... Personally, I don't care if they have it... why should I? But then I do get it why Palestinians care... You can't take a large chunk of earth and plunk a group there, call it THEIR homeland, and shove out folks who've REALLY lived there since the beginning of time and expect it to be peaceful... What you should expect is the folks displaced to demand back THEIR HOMELAND.

It's not black & white... But THAT should not be America's problem... Modern Zionists have managed to MAKE IT AMERICA'S PROBLEM... That is my ONLY dispute with "the Jews"... Certain ACTIONS taken on their behalf. Otherwise, I have no problem with Jewish folks... WHY SHOULD I? I suspect that certain folks here would hate them no matter what... but then, that's pretty obvious I'm sure...

Later, gots to scoot...

oh, btp, I didn't get that reference to magazines in your pm????

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2006-01-24   14:14:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: siagiah (#67)

oh, btp, I didn't get that reference to magazines in your pm????

Got to check into that. Don't miss the Zionist link above. What's in their will curl your hair (if it isn't naturally curly). ;0)

The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-01-24   14:18:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: A K A Stone (#61)

YertleTurtle didn't author this piece, Stone. Yours is the stupid ass comment.

christine  posted on  2006-01-24   14:31:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: BTP Holdings (#66)

Bullshit! Prove the modern day Ashkenazi Jews have any claim to it whatsoever.

Prove Ashkenazi

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-01-24   14:58:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: christine (#69)

YertleTurtle didn't author this piece, Stone. Yours is the stupid ass comment.

I quoted the article text and responded to the article not anythingyertleturtle said.. His name automatically comes up in the reply since he posted it.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-01-24   15:00:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: A K A Stone (#71)

in the future then, when you're calling someone a nazi, it would be prudent to make that clear.

christine  posted on  2006-01-24   15:16:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Bayonne (#50)

The extermination of 6,000,000 Jews in Nazi-occupied Europe during World War Two was scientifically and demographically impossible. In 1946 the Swiss Red Cross estimated between 500,000 and 1,500,000 died during this period. As you wrote in a previous post, the 6,000,000 martyrs who replaced Christ on the Cross came much later, 1978, and it's now become the lynchpin of Jewish supremacy.

Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.

Zoroaster  posted on  2006-01-24   15:18:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: christine, turtle (#72)

in the future then, when you're calling someone a nazi, it would be prudent to make that clear.

I went back and reread it. You're right, i'm sorry

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-01-24   15:19:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Zoroaster (#73)

As you wrote in a previous post, the 6,000,000 martyrs who replaced Christ on the Cross came much later, 1978, and it's now become the lynchpin of Jewish supremacy.

The jews aren't superior.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-01-24   15:20:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: A K A Stone (#70)

Prove Ashkenazi

Do you know the difference between the Israelites of the Bible and the modern day jews?

The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-01-24   15:45:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: BTP Holdings (#76)

The Bible talked about them being scattered all over the earth. There are also lost tribes. It also says they will return to the land.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-01-24   15:47:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: A K A Stone (#77)

The Bible talked about them being scattered all over the earth. There are also lost tribes. It also says they will return to the land.

You've got lots of ground to cover on this. Do you know there was more than one exile? And which time periods did they cover? And do you know the conditions under which they may return?

As I said, there is much more to this. I can't recall how much reading I've done to find these things out for myself. I'm remiss in my study of the Bible itself, but I do have proper reference material here now if I need to look further.

You can't begin to see the truth and lies of the modern era until you study and know the truth of history as best you can. This is the main reason so much of it has been purposefully hidden from us. We can't know who we are and where we are going unless we know where we have been. It's that simple.

I must go out again. I'm late and need to get some work done outside before dark.

The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin Delano Roosevelt

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-01-24   16:02:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: A K A Stone, Buckeroo, Christine, All (#65)

There is nothing in the world wrong with wanting to reclaim your homeland.

The Serbs tried it, but were driven back by the Clinton forces (and the unmentionable Muslim "Ethnic Albanians"), serving the "New World Order."

The American Indian knows how beaten he is. He doesn't even try.

The Pallies are trying to just hold their ground, as Israel runs them further into the desert. Contrary to some propaganda, not all Pallies are 'Johnny-come- latelies.'

Where does one draw the line?


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-01-24   16:20:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Bayonne (#56)

The proper title, The Holocaust, was not introduced into the culture until about 1976. In 76, Dustin Hoffman made a movie involving Nazis called The Marathon Man. In it, there is no mention of The Holocaust™.

really?

christine  posted on  2006-01-24   16:23:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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