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Title: Donald Trump Thinks You Should Be Able To Bring Guns Anywhere, Except His Own Hotels
Source: .
URL Source: http://thinkprogress.org/election/2 ... d-trump-hotels-gun-free-zones/
Published: Oct 6, 2015
Author: .
Post Date: 2015-10-06 15:12:00 by Artisan
Keywords: None
Views: 552
Comments: 21

Republican presidential frontrunner Donald Trump regularly calls for getting rid of gun-free zones. However, if the real estate magnate is to succeed in his quest, he’ll have to start with places like Trump-branded hotels and golf courses.

For years, the New York businessman has boisterously voiced his opposition to gun-free zones. In a 2014 interview with the Washington Times, Trump criticized the Aurora theater where James Holmes massacred 12 people and injured 70 more for being a gun-free zone. “If some of the people in the movie theater had a gun, they’d have been shooting at him,” he said. “Nobody had a gun so they were totally defenseless.”

Getting rid of gun-free zones has also been a regular talking point for Trump on the campaign trail. “We have to get rid of that whole gun-free zone nonsense and just stop it,” Trump declared during a speech in Charleston, South Carolina on July 21. “We gotta stick up for the Second Amendment.” He made a similar call on Twitter days earlier following the shootings at two military centers that left five individuals, as well as the gunman, dead.

Get rid of gun free zones. The four great marines who were just shot never had a chance. They were highly trained but helpless without guns.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 17, 2015

ThinkProgress spoke with a number of hotels and golf courses in the Trump empire and found that multiple locations were gun-free zones, even for guests with concealed-carry permits.

“No, we don’t allow any firearms in the hotel,” a manager at Trump International Hotel & Tower Chicago told ThinkProgress over the phone.

Guns are also banned at Trump National Golf Club in Los Angeles. An employee at the course told ThinkProgress that “we don’t allow firearms on the property.” Asked whether that ban applies even to those with a concealed-carry permit, he said that “with a permit we still don’t allow firearms.”

Nor are weapons, even for those with a concealed carry license, permitted at the Trump International Hotel Waikiki Beach Walk in Honolulu. “It’s a gun-free zone, even for people with a permit,” a customer service agent told ThinkProgress. (Though Hawaii is a “may issue” state with respect to licenses to carry a concealed firearm, it should be noted that, in practice, very few permits are granted.)

Not every Trump-branded hotel and golf course are gun-free. Trump International Hotel & Tower Central Park in New York City told ThinkProgress that a gun could be brought on the premises, but “you have to have a permit to carry it” and “it would have to be concealed.” Likewise, the Trump International Hotel Las Vegas said that “Our security department would have to note as to why you have it and see some paperwork, but other than that it’s fine.”


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thetruthaboutguns.com reports: "I spoke to the security department at the Trump International Hotel and Tower in Chicago. He confirmed that the hotel has a “gun with a slash through it” sign at the main entrance. The sign bans Illinois concealed carry firearms permit holders from the premises." yet people believe that Trump, this POS Harry Reid donor and clinton donor, who stands by his assault weapon ban comments, is pro gun! what can you do with anyone who is so severely mentally deficient?

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#13. To: Artisan (#0)

Trump International Hotel and Tower in Chicago

I just got off the phone w/the Director of Security @ the above hotel. No problem with carrying concealed, he did ask that I secure it in the room safe should I leave it unattended. Also, this isn't Trump's regulation but rather that of Mayor Emanuel & the City of Chicago. I suspect it's the same with the other hotels mentioned.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-10-07   19:05:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Jethro Tull (#13)

I just got off the phone w/the Director of Security @ the above hotel. No problem with carrying concealed, he did ask that I secure it in the room safe should I leave it unattended. Also, this isn't Trump's regulation but rather that of Mayor Emanuel & the City of Chicago. I suspect it's the same with the other hotels mentioned.

thanks for that info. But i wouldnt assume that such a city rule (doesnt sound valid in the first place) is established in all the other cities. i know such a thing doesnt exist in los angeles for example.

and i wonder why the gun group linked above, as well as think progress got a different answer than you did, about the exact same hotel in chicago ?

if you wanna check these also that would be great, and maybe can refute the think progress "facts."

as you know i strongly dislike trump, but i respect the facts. :-)

next up:

National Golf Club in Los Angeles
Trump International Hotel Waikiki Beach Walk in Honolulu
Trump International Hotel & Tower Central Park in New York City
Trump International Hotel Las Vegas (reportedly will "ask why you have it"

Artisan  posted on  2015-10-08   1:29:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Artisan (#15)

gunwatch.blogspot.com/201...-pushes-trump-to-rid.html

Not so surprisingly, Trump's property in New York City does not ban guns for people with gun permits. Donald Trump has said that he has a permit to carry a gun.

The ThinkProgress article did not have any pictures of gun ban signs on the properties, so we only have the words of the people who they talked to over the phone about the polices. They may be correct, but lower level employees are often mistaken about corporate policies.

How would a guest at a Trump property know that they are not allowed to have a gun, if there are no signs or policy posted? Gun ownership is very high among the well off and wealthy.

I spoke to a source from the security department at the Trump International Hotel and Tower in Chicago. He was helpful and gracious. He confirmed that the hotel had a gun with a slash through it sign on the main entrance, aimed at concealed carry permit holders. Concealed carry permits became available in Chicago less than two years ago. Illinois was the last state in the U.S. to pass legislation to allow the legal carry of concealed weapons.

My source corrected the notion that guns are not allowed in the Trump Towers. He said the hotel does not search guest luggage, and that while you are staying at the hotel, your room is considered your residence. He stressed that as long as you handled your firearms legally while in your room, the hotel policy did not apply, and that laws concerning the shipping and transportation of firearms were the responsibility of the individual guest.

The Trump National Golf Club in Los Angeles did not have a knowledgeable person available for comment.

The staff person at the Trump International Hotel Waikiki Beach Walk told me that they could not definitively answer my question. They were certain, however, that there was no "gun free zone" or "no guns" sign on the hotel entrance.

The likely outcome of the ThinkProgress complaint about Trump is that he will remove any gun free zones on properties that he has control over. Properties and management contracts can be complex, so it is not certain that a property with "Trump" in its name is under the control of Donald Trump the presidential candidate.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-10-08   7:39:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Jethro Tull (#17)

Yeah that's the same article I linked above. A lot of excuses . Like I said, liability insurance does not forbid guns or force a private business owner to establish no gun signs. Billion dollar retail stores like starbucks and others proudly and happily allow open carry. Trump does not. His properties have signs forbidding guns.

People can twist it, excuse it and do all sorts of contortions to make it look better, but facts are facts.

Like I said I don't know why trumps chicago hotel gave you an opposite reply to that they gave thinkprogress and the gun blog. I suspect its because you sounded more authoritative and spoke to the right person. That's why I think you should contact the other 4 places yourself to get an answer that people can trust. ;-)

Artisan  posted on  2015-10-08   9:24:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Artisan (#18)

Thanks for the vote of confidence Martin, but this topic doesn't hold a lot of interest for me. I like Trump based on his illegal immigration position & the rejection of our lousy trade deals. Also, his wife makes for a more attractive First Lady than Bill Clinton would :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-10-08   12:53:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#21. To: Jethro Tull (#20)

amen.

melaniatrump.com

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