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Title: 53 years ago, the Cuban Missile Crisis began
Source: http://microsites.jfklibrary.org/cmc/
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Published: Oct 17, 2015
Author: Kennedy Library
Post Date: 2015-10-17 08:19:06 by Jethro Tull
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Views: 1596
Comments: 29

I was just a kid in the 8th grade but I remember it like it was yesterday. The link provided gives a good overview of the crisis from the Kennedy Library.


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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

I was a kid in the 2nd grade. My first grade teacher said, that I was "slow as molasses in January." ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2015-10-17   8:50:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

I was just a kid

Kennedy was an amateur at geo/political world affairs, more interested in women than adult real world.

Kruschev on the other hand was an old, hardened, poker player.

The only thing Kennedy had in his favor was the action was only 90 miles away, Kruschev was handicapped being thousands of miles away.

Militarily Kruschev would be a loser, nuclear being his only option. He was not that stupid so he backed down.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-10-17   8:51:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Cynicom (#2)

Militarily Kruschev would be a loser, nuclear being his only option. He was not that stupid so he backed down.

Cyni, do you remember how they solved the Cuban Missile Crisis?

They withdrew the Jupiter missiles from Turkey. After this, the Soviets decided not to pursue placing missiles in Cuba. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2015-10-17   9:02:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: BTP Holdings (#1)

I was in elementary too at that partic'lar moment in history. Apparently, I was quite freaked out. My mom said that I chattered about nothing else for days.

Strangely, I remember nothing about those events at the time they occurred.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-10-17   9:05:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: BTP Holdings (#3)

do you remember how they solved the Cuban Missile Crisis?

I was working for the government at the time.

Krushchev needed something in return for Cuban back down, withdrawing the Turkey missiles was it.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-10-17   9:11:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Cynicom (#2)

The only thing Kennedy had in his favor was the action was only 90 miles away, Kruschev was handicapped being thousands of miles away.

Militarily Kruschev would be a loser, nuclear being his only option. He was not that stupid so he backed down.

Your observation is supported by history.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-10-17   10:02:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: randge (#4)

Strangely, I remember nothing about those events at the time they occurred.

All I recall is hiding under the desk !!!

"Honest, April 15th is the real April Fool's Day".

"The almighty Dollar ain't worth a buck".

Doug Scheidt

noone222  posted on  2015-10-17   10:19:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Jethro Tull (#6)

Kennedy also had a swingin' dick Navy working for him.

We've pulled out our only aircraft carrier stationed in the Persian Gulf and have no others in the area.

To all appearances, it looks like we're limping home with our tails between our legs.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-10-17   10:23:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: randge, 4 (#8)

I read that Kruschev wept when he learned that JFK was killed.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-10-17   10:31:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Jethro Tull (#6)

At the time, being with FAA, we were aware of military operations and movements that public knew nothing about.

Russian military had authorization to use tactical nuclear weapons on Cuba, unknown to our military.

Kennedy was in way over his head when sparring with Krushchev.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-10-17   10:31:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: randge (#8)

To all appearances, it looks like we're limping home with our tails between our legs.

It might not be a bad idea since our political leadership hasn't been committed to battlefield victory since WWII.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-10-17   10:32:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: noone222 (#7)

All I recall is hiding under the desk !!!

Us kids saw that on TV. We tried to get our 5th grade teacher to let us practice that, but he wasn't on with the program.

He was a WWII Navy vet and a cool guy. He taught us all about the Constitution, the separation of powers and the Bill of Rights. He taught me how to throw a football. I'll never forget him.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-10-17   10:35:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Cynicom (#10)

Kennedy was in way over his head when sparring with Krushchev.

a very young Bobby Kennedy is pictured with JFK throughout the crisis. That should be all one needs to know about how lucky we were to have dodged a nuclear inferno.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2015-10-17   10:36:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Jethro Tull (#6)

At that point in history, this country would have suffered greatly, Russia however would have been made a nuclear wasteland, end to end.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-10-17   10:41:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Jethro Tull (#11)

our political leadership hasn't been committed to battlefield victory

Brings to mind all the more strongly the import of this quote:

Treason doth never prosper,
what's the reason?
For if it prosper,
none dare call it Treason.

John Harington

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-10-17   10:48:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Cynicom (#14) (Edited)

At that point in history, this country would have suffered greatly, Russia however would have been made a nuclear wasteland, end to end.

I know you are right about this. But, such a great nuclear exchange would have likely brought about a "nuclear winter" scenario.

From Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_winter

Nuclear winter (also known as atomic winter) is a hypothetical climatic effect, most often considered a potential threat following a countervalue, or city- targeted, nuclear war. Climate models suggest that the ignition of 100 firestorms that are comparable in intensity to that observed in Hiroshima in 1945 would produce a small nuclear winter.[1] The burning of these firestorms would result in the injection of soot into the Earth's stratosphere, producing an anti-greenhouse effect, that lowers the Earth's surface temperature. With the the the models concluding that the size of this effect, from the cumulative products of 100 of these firestorms, would unmistakably cool the global climate by approximately 1 °C for two to three years; with which the authors speculate, but do not model, would have global agricultural losses as a consequence.[2]

Whereas a much larger number of firestorms,[quantify] which are assumed to be the result of any city-targeted, US-Russia total war, is modeled to cause a much deeper nuclear winter, with catastrophic summer cooling by about 20 °C in core agricultural regions of the US, Europe and China, and by as much as 35 °C in Russia.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2015-10-17   10:52:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: randge (#15)

Benedict Arnold was the most infamous traitor of the Revolutionary War.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benedict_ t_arnold

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2015-10-17   11:02:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: BTP Holdings (#16)

I was 20 years olde at the time of my first A-bomb delivery briefing by NSA/SAC.

One has no delusions after such. We all came out much older.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-10-17   11:07:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: BTP Holdings (#17)

Benedict Arnold was a general as I recall.

Some of the finest brands of treason are manufactured in those circles.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-10-17   11:19:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Cynicom (#18) (Edited)

I was 20 years olde at the time of my first A-bomb delivery brie briefing by NSA/SAC.

One has no delusions after such. We all came out much older.

We all have points in our lives that can be identified as "turning points" in our development and the way we perceive the world.

I'm not sure what mine was, but I had some very great experiences growing up in Chicago. I worked concert security for years for extra money.

Three bus loads of us went to Saugerties, NY to work Security for Woodstock '94.

We had "All Access" wrist bands. We would go in the breakfast line and they would change the guard on the front gate. There were three food lines, so we would go thru and eat, then go thru again since those guys never seen us before. We would just go in a different line the 2nd time around.

We were doing all we could to get as much food as we could. We were burning maybe 3,500 calories/day and they were feeding us maybe 2,500. One day we ate the night crew's lunch and they had to replace it. We all came out of there a lot leaner, and meaner. The best meal they had for us was softshell crab. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2015-10-17   11:29:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: randge (#19)

Benedict Arnold was a general as I recall.

He was, indeed. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2015-10-17   12:09:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: BTP Holdings, 4um (#21)

Generals.

Will they hang a general for this one??

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-10-17   13:03:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: randge (#22)

Hang the SOB that ordered it done, not the crew.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-10-17   15:10:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Cynicom (#23)

Hang the SOB that ordered it done, not the crew.

An organized exhibition of finger-pointing will begin shortly.

Settle in and get your popcorn before the show starts.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-10-17   15:15:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: randge (#24)

Hello, Nuremberg.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-10-17   15:24:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: randge (#24)

Look for missing or "faulty" recordings.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-10-17   15:33:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Lod (#25)

Hello, Nuremberg.

Yes, we've been taught to recoil in reflexive horror when the phrase is heard, "We were just following orders."

But, fact is - they were just following orders.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2015-10-17   15:41:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: BTP Holdings (#20)

We all have points in our lives that can be identified as "turning points" in our development and the way we perceive the world.

I'm not sure what mine was, but I had some very great experiences growing up in Chicago. I worked concert security for years for extra money.

Three bus loads of us went to Saugerties, NY to work Security for Woodstock '94.

We had "All Access" wrist bands. We would go in the breakfast line and they would change the guard on the front gate. There were three food lines, so we would go thru and eat, then go thru again since those guys never seen us before. We would just go in a different line the 2nd time around.

We were doing all we could to get as much food as we could. We were burning maybe 3,500 calories/day and they were feeding us maybe 2,500. One day we ate the night crew's lunch and they had to replace it. We all came out of there a lot leaner, and meaner. The best meal they had for us was softshell crab. ;)

There's a lesson in your story about how ridiculous it is for America to be accused of "consuming more than it produces" and its "carbon footprint" not being comparable to third worlders when our Military is being misused as World Policers and our country expected to produce defensive arms and food supplies, too, for nations that aren't sufficiently producing their own.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2015-11-04   22:34:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: GreyLmist (#28)

There's a lesson in your story about how ridiculous it is for America to be accused of "consuming more than it produces" and its "carbon footprint"

I'm glad you noticed. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2015-11-05   9:07:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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