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Title: Income Inequality Is Irrelevant In A Country Like America
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URL Source: http://townhall.com/columnists/john ... ike-america-n2068172/page/full
Published: Oct 20, 2015
Author: John Hawkins | Oct 20, 2015
Post Date: 2015-10-20 11:55:13 by HAPPY2BME-4UM
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Views: 184
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"It is in the character of very few men to honor without envy a friend who has prospered." – Aeschylus

The fundamental issue behind income inequality could be boiled down to a single question: Are poor Americans better or worse off because Bill Gates ($79 billion net worth), Oprah Winfrey ($3 billion net worth), Michael Jordan ($1 billion net worth) and Mark Zuckerberg ($40 billion net worth) are living in the United States?

Certainly, having them living in America creates more income inequality. It also hurts the poor by….oh wait, having them here doesn’t hurt the poor at all. None of these people made their money off the backs of the poor (How could they? The poor don’t have any money) and all of them pay exorbitant taxes because the United States already has the most progressive tax system in the Western world.

So, for example, whatever Bill Gates’ 1/319 millionth share of the cost for our street signs, police, roads, the military, food stamps, Social Security, Obama’s vacations and all the other various and sundry expenses our government racks up may be, he’s paying far more than that. In fact, Gates claims to have paid $6 billion in taxes. Then there are the taxes Microsoft pays (roughly $5 billion per year) and the taxes paid by all the people employed by Microsoft. Speaking of the people employed by Microsoft, the company has over 100,000 employees. That’s a lot of Americans Gates potentially raised up out of poverty. Then when you consider how much everyone from Bill Gates all the way down spends, there are obviously many businesses being kept afloat by Microsoft cash. On top of all that, Bill Gates has given away $28 billion since 2007.

Tell me how some poor family in Chicago or Detroit is being hurt by this in any way? What’s the downside supposed to be of entrepreneurs creating jobs and paying billions in taxes?

Oh, yes, it isn’t that any particular rich person is doing well that’s hurting the poor; it’s that the incomes of the rich are growing faster than the incomes of the poor. Those poor families are staying poor while the top 1% is getting richer. This is what the Left says.

Fortunately, it’s just not true because in America, there is no rigid class system that mires everyone in place economically.

For example, did you know that 12% of Americans end up in the top 1% of income earners at some point during their lives? And that’s just the tip of the iceberg. As Thomas Sowell said to me in an interview about his new book, Wealth, Poverty and Politics: An International Perspective:

Thomas Sowell: But if you look instead at people and you say what happened to the people who were in the bottom 20% as of 1975 and on into 1991, you find that 95% of the people who were in that bottom quintile in 1975 are no longer there.

John Hawkins: Is that literally 95%?

Thomas Sowell: Yes, literally. That is only 5% remaining - by 1991 only 5% of the people in that bottom quintile were still there. Twenty-nine percent were now in the top quintile.

Incidentally, these numbers are not a surprise because the peak earning bracket for most Americans is between 45-54 years of age. Many of us start out searching through the couch cushions to find change to spend on lunch and end up investing in the stock market. Working your way up the ladder of success is as American as apple pie.

So, if all this is true, then why is the Left so obsessed with income inequality?

Because liberalism works obsessively to get different groups of people to hate each other and then offers to expand the power of government as a fix for the “problem” liberals created. It’s their standard operating procedure.

In this case, liberals are embracing envy, one of the seven deadly sins. Any time someone succeeds at ANYTHING, there will be people who resent it. They’ll feel like they deserved it more, like those who succeeded got lucky or they’ll just want what more successful people have.

Once someone becomes envious, all reason goes out the window. We live in a country where 45% of the people don’t even pay income tax and yet we’re being told that the people who are paying nearly 40% of their income still aren’t paying “their fair share.” We have the highest corporate tax rate in the free world, but we’re told corporations are getting a free ride. If your dream is to “soak the rich,” then congratulations because they’re already getting soaked.

On the other hand, if your goal is to lift the poor out of poverty, you should focus on the growth of the economy, not income inequality. As Henry Hazlitt said,

"The poor are poor not because something is being withheld from them but because, for whatever reason, they are not producing enough."

The more economic growth there is, the more production there will be and the more people will be lifted out of poverty. That’s why conservatives focus so much on growth-oriented economic policies. On the other hand, focusing on economic inequality makes the government bigger, reduces economic growth and tends to make EVERYBODY poorer. To liberals, this is a feature, not a bug because they need poor people to STAY POOR because if they become more economically successful, they may stop voting for Democrats.

That’s why, to paraphrase Winston Churchill, obsessing over income inequality is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, the gospel of envy and its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

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#1. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#0)

That’s why, to paraphrase Winston Churchill, obsessing over income inequality is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, the gospel of envy and its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

You should be arrested for posting such horseshit.

An extension of that philosophy would be for one person to have all the wealth, the rest of us would be very well off because he is so rich???

If you read history, Winny lived the life of the well to do all his life. He was the only officer in WWI that took his own bathtub to the fighting front in France.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-10-20   12:35:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Cynicom (#1)

Bernie Sanders is your friend.

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2015-10-20   12:36:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#2)

Bernie Sanders is your friend.

Now you are really in for it.

Sanders is just another jew like Zuckerberg, only turned inside out.

Both lust for power, money is just the method of getting there.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-10-20   12:50:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Cynicom (#1)

An extension of that philosophy would be for one person to have all the wealth, the rest of us would be very well off because he is so rich???

The article stated just the opposite.

One person's wealth has nothing to do with another's poverty.

They are mutually independent.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-10-20   13:19:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Lod (#4)

;>)

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2015-10-20   13:25:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Cynicom (#1)

I hate to say it, but that's a pretty good point. The British "elite" are responsible for a great deal of earth's misery and exploitation since 1600. Winnie is the worst possible closer for this article.

The cynic in me wants to say "'Are poor Americans better or worse off because Bill Gates, Oprah Winfrey, Michael Jordan and Mark Zuckerberg are living in the United States?' Well, there are definitely different ways to look at that question!!!"....... but that would be rather cynical of me, wouldn't it?

www.youtube.com/watch? v=HmlX3fLQrEc

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-10-20   13:43:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Lod (#4)

One person's wealth has nothing to do with another's poverty.

Beg to differ.

You should have been around during child labor days.

Society at that time said this...ANY CHILD HAS THE RIGHT TO WORK IN A FACTORY AT ANY AGE...IF THEY SO DESIRE.

Check any of the olde line money families where their wealth came from.

The view at the top is indeed quite different than the view from the bottom.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-10-20   14:29:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: NeoconsNailed (#6)

www.youtube.com/watch? v=HmlX3fLQrEc

================================================

An excellent video that shows wealthy people are completely NAKED without their fortunes.

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2015-10-20   14:43:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Cynicom (#7) (Edited)

That was true back then, it's not true today.

Outcomes will never be the same, nor will they ever be.

There have always been rich and poor, and there always will be.

Our experiences are different, so our perceptions and outlooks are different.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-10-20   14:46:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#8)

And clearly not faring all that hotly WITH them. I once rented rooms in a 50- room mansion in the Jackie O horse country -- not a pleasant experience, but it looks beneficent indeed in the current Architectural Digest mag.

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-10-20   15:43:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Lod (#9)

That was true back then, it's not true today.

Outcomes will never be the same, nor will they ever be.

There have always been rich and poor, and there always will be.

It has always been true of mankind, will never change.

I am always reminded of this.

" J. P. Morgan had escaped military service in the Civil War by paying $300 to a substitute. So did John D. Rockefeller, Andrew Carnegie, Philip Armour, Jay Gould, and James Mellon. Mellon's father had written to him that "a man may be a patriot without risking his own life or sacrificing his health. There are plenty of lives less valuable."

I do not subscribe to the "lives less valuable".

Cynicom  posted on  2015-10-20   15:50:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Cynicom (#11)

I do not subscribe to the "lives less valuable".

No, that's totally bogus and false in the eternal scheme of things.

Totally false.

And on value, Christ found more worth in the widow's mite than in the gifts of all the wealthy.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-10-20   16:17:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Lod (#9)

#9

Spoken like an adult.

Thanks.

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2015-10-20   16:28:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: NeoconsNailed (#10)

I once rented rooms in a 50- room mansion in the Jackie O horse country -- not a pleasant experience, but it looks beneficent indeed in the current Architectural Digest mag.

======================================

I enjoy Americana Architecture. Where was that?

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2015-10-20   16:29:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Lod, Cynicom (#12)

And on value, Christ found more worth in the widow's mite than in the gifts of all the wealthy.

===============================================

Without spiritual inspiration, those words are very difficult to comprehend from both a wealthy man and a pauper.

One is trying to keep what he has, and the other is trying to get what the other has. Since Cain slew Abel.

Well spoken.

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2015-10-20   16:32:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM, Cynicom, 4 (#15)

Ten days shy of sixty-nine, I hope that I've learned correct lessons and developed proper thoughts over those years.

If not, then it sucks for me.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-10-20   16:40:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Lod (#16)

Your head is on straight and your heart is in the right place.

That is worth all the gold in the world.

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2015-10-20   16:42:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#17)

Thank you, I try.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-10-20   16:53:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#14) (Edited)

http://njparcels.com/property/1803/15/9

Mike Tyson lived up the street but one never saw him, thank God.

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-10-20   17:15:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Cynicom (#11)

" J. P. Morgan had escaped military service in the Civil War by paying $300 to a substitute. So did John D. Rockefeller, Andrew Carnegie, Philip Armour, Jay Gould, and James Mellon.

I don't blame a man for not wishing to perish in Mr. Lincoln's fratricidal rampage. Unless of course that man otherwise advocated and supported that holocaust, and even more so if he profited from it.

StraitGate  posted on  2015-10-20   20:36:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Lod (#16)

Ten days shy of sixty-nine, I hope that I've learned correct lessons and developed proper thoughts over those years.

Most of what I know I learned from men who were better and wiser than I am. And I've learned a lot from you, brother, in just the few months we've been on-line here together. Thanks for that. You'd make a great friend and next door neighbor.

StraitGate  posted on  2015-10-20   20:39:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: StraitGate (#20)

I don't blame a man for not wishing to perish in Mr. Lincoln's fratricidal rampage.

Uhhh, none of them perished and...ALL OF THEM PROFITED FROM THE RAMPAGE...

Mr. Mellons words seem to have echos here on the 4um, concerning the ...unworthy...

Cynicom  posted on  2015-10-20   20:59:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Cynicom (#22)

ALL OF THEM PROFITED FROM THE RAMPAGE...

Thanks for the info. That's what I suspected.

StraitGate  posted on  2015-10-20   21:03:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: StraitGate, 4 (#21)

Thanks for the kind words; we have a great group of truth-seeking, constitutionalists here who enjoy discussing the happenings of the day and the ideas of the ages.

It's comfortable at 4um.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-10-20   21:06:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Lod (#24) (Edited)

It is, and I really appreciate it.

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-10-20   21:10:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: StraitGate (#23)

Society finally could not stomach a wealthy man man hiring a poor man to die in his place and it was outlawed.

It was during that war that communism first infiltrated the US military. Marx had Union officers that made daily reports of military information.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-10-20   21:10:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Cynicom (#26)

Three hun back then would be worth $8,108.11 in today's bucks. Just a bit less than what the voluntary troops collect today.

I don't have a problem with people paying others willing to go in their stead; it's completely voluntary on their part.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-10-20   21:29:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: NeoconsNailed (#19)

http://njparcels.com/property/1803/15/9

Mike Tyson lived up the street but one never saw him, thank God.

===========================================

This property last sold for writeCurrency("3250000");$3,250,000.00 on writeDate("2001-12-14");Thursday, December 13, 2001. See sales information for 50 Mountain Top Rd. back to 2000. Buyer:
MEANWELL, CLIVE A. & CYNTHIA
50 MOUNTAIN TOP ROAD
BERNARDSVILLE, NJ

Seller:
RATAY, ANDRE & SONYA
50 MOUNTAIN TOP ROAD
BERNARDSVILLE, NJ

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2015-10-20   21:32:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Lod (#27)

I don't have a problem with people paying others willing to go in their stead; it's completely voluntary on their part.

Incredulous.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-10-20   21:34:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Cynicom (#26)

Comrade Abraham: Was President Lincoln a Closet Marxist?

by Nomad

Abe
Lincoln Labor

When we think of Lincoln, most of us do not consider the sixteenth president as a Marxist revolutionary. Yet, a little research uncovers some very interesting- slightly confounding- connections between Abe Lincoln and the father of the Communist movement. As fascinating as that might be, there is an even bigger shock in store when it comes to the origins of the Republican Party.

http://nomadicpolitics.blogspot.com/2014/06/comrade-abraham-was-president-lincoln.html

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2015-10-20   21:37:48 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Lod, Cynicom (#27)

I don't have a problem with people paying others willing to go in their stead; it's completely voluntary on their part.

==========================================

Foregetaboutit.

There is NO DRAFT.

Nobody would show up.

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2015-10-20   21:39:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM, Cynicom, 4 (#31)

No, but they show up for bucks voluntarily today.

No different than joining for pay as a subsitute, back when.

I'll be cannon-fodder for $$$.

Exact same thing.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-10-20   21:45:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#30)

Marx and Engals supported the election of Lincoln, wrote him congratulating him for winning the election, it is all there to read.

The money people were there, hired working class scum to die for them while they pumped the government treasury dry.

Only 600,000 Americans died but the few made empires, the good olde fashioned American way.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-10-20   21:51:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Cynicom (#33)

Cyni - you're smart enough to know that it's not just the American way, it's the way that wars have been financed and profited from since day one.

Many die, a few get rich(er).

Same then as today.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-10-20   22:00:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Cynicom, Lod (#33)

I have 7,665 days in uniform. My immediate nuclear family has 128 years in uniform. Nothing has changed.

I agree with these two fools who know nothing about anything ..

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2015-10-20   22:01:30 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#35)

Thank you for those three brilliant quotes.

Etch them in stone.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2015-10-20   22:15:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Lod (#34)

Many die, a few get rich(er).

I despise those that are too willing to ensure that it is me that dies, they that get richer.

That is the American way.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-10-20   22:33:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#28)

So the Ratays stayed that long! They were coat magnates. My landlord the previous owner got a truly horrible, ghastly case of Lyme disease from the deer who helped make the place picturesque. We wondered if the next occupants would -- a servant of theirs got it almost immediately, poor wretch.

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-10-20   23:01:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#35)

Thank you for your service, Happ -- the many hours you put in here, that is, and in any other truth propagation field. Previously in FP by chance?

Gee, that McArthur quote -- did he mean it approvingly? :-3

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2015-10-20   23:10:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: NeoconsNailed (#39)

You are much welcome sir.

I cannot recommend it any longer and will not do so until there is something worth fighting for here, which there isn't, and it doesn't look like there ever will be again.

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2015-10-21   0:03:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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