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Title: Bush team flip-flopped on spy standards
Source: L.A. Times (via Salt Lake Tribune)
URL Source: http://www.sltrib.com/nationworld/ci_3438576
Published: Jan 26, 2006
Author: David G. Savage
Post Date: 2006-01-26 16:57:53 by aristeides
Keywords: flip-flopped, standards, Bush
Views: 68
Comments: 7

Bush team flip-flopped on spy standards

By David G. Savage
Los Angeles Times

WASHINGTON - Four years ago, top Bush administration lawyers told Congress they opposed lowering the legal standard for intercepting the phone calls of foreigners who were in the United States, even while the administration secretly adopted a lower standard on its own.

The government's public position then was the mirror opposite of its rationale today in defending its warrantless domestic spying program, which has come under attack as a violation of civil liberties. Government wiretapping - and who sets the rules - has emerged at the center of a growing debate between the White House and Congress since the disclosure last month of the administration's warrantless spying program.

A Justice Department spokesman confirmed Wednesday that the administration opposed changing the law in 2002 in part because it did not want to publicly debate the issue.

''There was a conscious choice not to have a public discussion about it. It could have exposed the program. This was a military defense intelligence program,'' said the spokesman, who asked not be named because of the sensitivity surrounding the still-classified presidential order on wiretapping.

Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., accused the administration of having tried ''to paper over the legality of a secret, spying program. If they really believed the current law is too burdensome, the Bush administration should have asked Congress to change it, but they did not. Instead, a top lawyer in the Bush administration did just the opposite.''

Timothy Edgar, a lawyer on national security policy for the American Civil Liberties Union, also accused the administration of ''remarkable duplicity'' for having testified in public against the legal change while carrying it out in private. ''It seems they were being incredibly deceptive,'' he said.

In the wake of the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, lawmakers proposed several changes to make it easier for the government to detect terrorists and allies who might be operating in the United States.

Sen. Mike DeWine, R-Ohio, proposed making it easier for officials to obtain warrants to conduct wiretapping. The current law, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978, said officials must have ''probable cause'' to believe someone was an agent of an international terrorist group before they could obtain a warrant to tap phones.

This high standard proved to be a stumbling block at times. When Zacarias Moussaoui - the man later dubbed the ''20th hijacker'' - was arrested in Minnesota in August 2001, the Justice Department did not seek a warrant to search his computer because they did not have probable cause to believe he was an al-Qaida operative.

This was later judged to be a mistake. DeWine cited this example when he proposed to lower the standard for obtaining a warrant to one of ''reasonable suspicion.'' But when the proposal came before a Senate panel, administration lawyers testified that no change was needed.

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#1. To: All (#0)

This might explain why Justice Department lawyer James A. Baker told Congress that the administration opposed the change because the administration was satisfied with the surveillance it was able to conduct under FISA. I don't see how it explains why he would have told Congress that, in the administration's view, the change under consideration -- much less drastic than what the administration itself adopted under the warrantless surveillance program -- was doubtfully constitutional.

aristeides  posted on  2006-01-26   17:00:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: aristeides (#1)

''It seems they were being incredibly deceptive,'' he said.

The Bush adminsitration had to fool the enemy -- the American people.


I've already said too much.

MUDDOG  posted on  2006-01-26   17:26:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: MUDDOG (#2)

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.

The Constitution defining "treason."

Since the administration is so insistently arguing that the Authorization to Use Military Force authorized eavesdropping because that is a normal incident of waging war, do you think eavesdropping on Americans qualifies as "levying war against them"?

aristeides  posted on  2006-01-26   17:43:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: aristeides (#3)

do you think eavesdropping on Americans qualifies as "levying war against them"?

That is consistent with the Bush administation's argument that wiretapping is a "use of force" authorized by the war resolution.

I saw one of their mouthpieces on TV making the argument.


I've already said too much.

MUDDOG  posted on  2006-01-26   17:52:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: aristeides (#0)

When Zacarias Moussaoui - the man later dubbed the ''20th hijacker'' - was arrested in Minnesota in August 2001, the Justice Department did not seek a warrant to search his computer because they did not have probable cause to believe he was an al-Qaida operative.

IIRC, the probable cause had been cited in FBI field agent reports for several months before 9/11, but it was FBI & Justice management that had ignored those field reports until post-9/11 was being investigated, at which time they acknowledged the field reports but then said they weren't relevant, and so now it seems they were both relevant and ignored, but a secret warrantless spy program is the solution to compensate for those mistakes and the justification of its need is to re-uncover evidence previously ignored without incurring any public discussion of their having 'passed' on the initial legal opportunities to investigate Moussaoui's computer in time to prevent anything.

(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)

Starwind  posted on  2006-01-26   18:17:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Starwind (#5)

Why couldn't that be done by going to the FISA court and getting warrants? The FISA court has been remarkably cooperative in granting warrants to the government in the past, and it also has had an excellent record in keeping all of its proceedings secret.

aristeides  posted on  2006-01-26   18:45:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: aristeides (#6)

Why couldn't that be done by going to the FISA court and getting warrants?

It could have.

I was being sarcastic.

Not only was FISA a route they ignored, they ignored their own FBI field agent reports which I believe would have provided sufficient grounds to search Moussaoui's computer, especially in light of him having being under arrest. They made many mistakes.

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." -- Albert Einstein

He was right.

(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)

Starwind  posted on  2006-01-26   19:21:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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